So you support Hillary and say you want a brokered convention

[cali]

(which btw, I think is a disaster in the making)

Will you still feel that way if, in June, Hillary has 2025. Obviously the only way that could happen is if SDs endorse her in large numbers. If SDs endorse Obama in sufficient numbers in June or before, please justify a fight through the summer and onto the Convention floor. Frankly, if SDs support Hillary in numbers that put her over the top, I won't want it going to the convention. I'll want Obama to graciously withdraw from it. I believe that the only way SDs would come out en masse for Hillary is if Obama's candidacy implodes, and there's very little chance of that.

Why should someone fight on once the other candidate has enough delegates to put them over the top?

[SIMPLYB1980]

1. What are you afraid of Cali. Bring on the brokered convention.

Hillary should, and I expect she will, fight this all the way to the Convention. It's one of the biggest reasons I like her. She does not give in, which is what we need when we start fighting the publicans instead of ourselves.

[Yael]

2. Reality dose

The longer this goes on, the more fractured the party.

This isn't about Hillary -- it is about Dems uniting and unifying against the republicans in the fall.

[SIMPLYB1980]

7. Yawn. If our party can't take it the publicans deserve to win.

I made my decision based on the issues. I agree with Clinton on her health care plan, and so many more issues. I made my mind up long ago she would get my vote. No amount of whining from the Obama camp will change that. Also I live in NC and want to see the primary mean something for my state. I do not see this as a destructive thing like so many others around here. If anything it will make Obama stronger IF he is the nominee, and I say the same for Clinton. I am not happy with the Obama campaign, and I'm sure that you are not happy with the Clinton campaign. That's politics. I will vote for Obama in the GE, but I can not support him in the primary. If our party can't take a little infighting we are no better than the publicans that march lock steep with each other. Democrats will disagree and argue to the death anything we consider an issue, it's one of the biggest strengths that we have as a party, because it makes for a more robust discussion of the issues. Anyway got to get back to work. Y'all have fun now.

[Bake]

13. If Obama people really want to promote unity

they ought to stop pushing Chuck Hagel as VP.

Bake

[Yael]

21. I don't even want to know.

[cali]

3. duh. I know enough political history to know that

contentious brokered conventions (are there any other kind?) lead to mortally wounded nominees. As I said, if Hillary has the magic 2025 after the voting is over, Obama should drop out. Unlike you, I care more about getting a dem in the WH than my favored candidate. We will lose, genius, if we have a brokered convention at the end of August.

[Blue_Roses]

6. wished she would have fought Bush more...

and I guess we all know what that's about...

[olkaz]

9. I hope she does this too

Because if the supers do their job and end this thing, it'll make Hillary look incredibly bad by staying in the race. Bad enough that she'll never have another shot at the presidency.

Then we can be free of the Clintons forever, and still have Obama start fixing things in January.

[Lucky 13]

11. Where is your "fighter" when it comes to anything besides her own blind ambition?!?!

Where was the "fighter" when it came to saying NO to Bush on the Iraq war?
Where was the "fighter" when it came to banning cluster bombs?
Where was the "fighter" when it came to ALL THE HORRIBLE BUSHCO. POLICIES THAT HAVE OOZED OUT OF THE SENATE SINCE SHE'S BEEN THERE? AND THAT SHE VOTED FOR?!?!

WHY does she only "fight" when it comes to her own political career?
That doesn't make her "heroic" or "admirable" or even a decent human being.

It makes her a Self-involved, Self-aggrandizing, Behind-the-Times, Lying, Maniacal, Bitter, Played-out, Political HACK that will sacrifice ANYTHING and ANYONE for their desires. The American people will put an end to her bullshit quickly.

[SIMPLYB1980]

19. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I'm sorry were you saying something.

[Freedom Train]

4. Hell yeah, I say bring it!

A brokered convention means we could get Gore or Edwards! ;)

Why should someone fight on once the other candidate has enough delegates to put them over the top?

Because delegates are not fixed and are allowed to change their minds?

[cali]

5. I'll vote for Hillary. I can't say the same

about someone who got virtually no votes or no votes at all. It's ironic as hell that the gorophiles or Edwardians or any dem would support the undemocratic installation of a nominee. It won't happen and it shouldn't happen. Oh, and anyone who thinks one term Edwards with his record of losing will ever be the nominee is delusional.

[Freedom Train]

18. Don't take it too hard, it was a light-hearted comment on my part

But surely the talk about Gore stepping in haven't slipped past you. Even Joe Klein wrote a piece about it. If in the end there's an unsolvable standstill between O and Hill, you'd have to agree Gore (or Edwards, who was IN this campaign in 3rd place) would be the best compromise, if they'd even agree to it of course. Certainly I'd rather see one of our actual current candidates come out on top though.

[Nine]

8. I support Hillary. I don't know whether a brokered convention is a good or bad thing.

But the reason we don't have a presumptive nominee yet, the reason this may have to go to a brokered convention, is that neither candidate has reached the necessary number of 2025. It's not because Hillary is unilaterally extending the race. We just don't have a clear winner yet. Jerry Brown never dropped out of the race when he was running against Bill Clinton. He stayed in until the convention. But he could be ignored because everyone knew Clinton had it locked up. Obama can ignore Hillary if he feels she is no threat.

To ask Hillary to drop out for the good of the Party reminds me of the Republicans acting like political debate should be curtailed after 9/11 because it was harmful to the nation. I don't know whether a brokered convention would be a good thing or a bad thing, but I think it's more important to make sure we get the best and strongest candidate. I personally feel that person is Hillary Clinton. I think it's unfair to ask her to drop out for the supposed good of the Party. Obama could drop out just as easily if this really is so harmful to the Party. But I wouldn't ask him to and I assume you don't want him to either - because you believe that he is the better candidate and that him being the nominee is more important than sparing the Party an extended race. This isn't the story of Solomon and the two women who claimed to be the mother of a baby. Neither candidate is going to say, "I'd rather sacrifice the nomination than have the Party split in two; give it to the other candidate." And in this scenario, no wise Solomon is going to give the nomination to the candidate who was willing to give up his/her candidacy; the mother who wanted to spare the baby would end up losing it to the other woman.

[UALRBSofL]

10. cali, I'm not sure you understand the ramifications of this election

Obama has to walk a fine line to win the GE because this is not a typical campaign cycle. First the candidates are non-traditional. We have an AA male and a white female so there is a stronger connection to these candidates then in past elections. Then, we don't know what the outcome will be or the backlash of Florida or Michigan because of the DNC penalty. Then, if Clinton is forced out after the Puerto Rico primary by some of the leaders of the democratic party when she wants to take it to the convention because neither nominee can get the 2025 seated delegates we don't know how the reaction of Clinton's base will be toward that action. This is the bigger issues the party is facing and have to decide how best to procede without disinfranchising voters of any base or subgroup.

[cali]

12. Oh, I think I do

Unlike a lot of you folks, I'm dedicated to voting for the dem nominee. I don't think you have a clue how damaging a brokered convention would be. Fortunately, most of the SDs do. And they will put their collective feet down- one way or another.

[unapatriciated]

15. When was the last brokered convention damaging?

most of us have not experienced one. I'm not saying it would be good or bad, but the closest we have come to one in recent history were 1968 and 1988. I believe our loses then were due to our inability to understand and fight GOP dirty tricks(much like what they are doing in this primary) and not the risk of a brokered convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention

[KoKo]

16. But then.....you seem to know everything about politics and process...don't you. n/t

[merbex]

17. Your fight isn't with partisans here.... it is with the 100+ give or take a few "supers'

who won't commit

That's who you have a problem with and, unbelievably, to me anyway, you seem to have a problem with anyone who points out that there may be, in fact, that many undeclared "supers"

The fact remains - having that many undeclared supers -that's how we get a brokered Convention....

No-one "wants" it but I'm not putting my head in the preverbial sand either...there are too many undeclared super delegates which is making, at this moment, a brokered Convention somewhat likely.

Unless you are working the phones every day as demconwatch.blogspot.com does to keep up with the names of the undeclared supers you aren't the authority on this but that website can reasonably say that they are

[democrattotheend]

14. I support Obama, but part of me wants a brokered convention

Just because it would be really exciting. But it's probably bad for the party, though it does not have to be. If Clinton and Obama spent the months in between the primaries and the convention double-teaming McCain and they kept the convention positive it could actually be a plus, since a lot more people would tune into the convention if the outcome wasn't preordained.

[Vinca]

20. They only want a brokered convention if the brokering gives

Hill the nomination. And it won't.