Obama should drop out

[hill_win_2008]

Barack Obama is disrupting the party movement forward. He is causing chaos within our party and preventing months of proper campaigning for our nominee.

By making this drag out until the convention, Obama is allowing McCain all the time to get his message out there while we are just in-fighting. It's wrong of him to put us through this and he should get out for the good of the party and the country!

With his announcement of giving up his contest for the nomination, he will unite the party behind Hillary Clinton. Super Delagates will back her, and our party can move forward to a November election.

To continue what he is doing, by desperately trying to grab a nomination which he cannot secure, he is doing more damage and only proving that he is not in this contest for the good of the country, but for his own love of power.

I ask you, Senator Obama, please put aside your personal goals and put the country's goals first: drop out of the race.

[izzybeans]

1. .

:rofl:

The front runner is disrupting the party. :rofl:

[New Earth]

2. APRIL FOOLS

[Adelante]

3. Welcome to DU, hill_win_2008

But, no :hi:

[City Lights]

4. What an appropriate post for April 1st! eom

[babylonsister]

5. .

:rofl:

[PA Democrat]

6. April Fools!

[JTG of the PRB]

7. Ha! I LOVE April Fool's Day!

These sorts of jokes NEVER get old!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[marmar]

8. Perhaps you should do the same, for the sake of DU....

:eyes:

[RoadRage]

9. Hey.. you forgot your sarcasm tag to that post..

Other then that.. very funny April Fools Day Post!

It was..err.. a joke, right?

Hello?

HELLO?

[nxylas]

13. Hard to tell these days

With so many newcomers coming to DU from, ahem, another site to post this sort of crap.

[hill_win_2008]

16. To a certain degree

Yes, to all, it is April 1st. Does that mean I posted this as an April Fools joke? No.

The fact that everyone is calling for Hillary to drop out and not Obama is also a joke. At this point, it is too close to call as they say. Yet everyone wants Hillary to do exactly as I posted above. Why not Obama? Is it gender biased?

Yes, Obama is ahead...by what? Hundred-some delegates?

I don't really want Obama to drop out, and the Obama people should really not want Hillary to drop out.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. Wow! You're serious?

Good thing you weren't around in 1865 - you'd probably be screaming at General Grant to fork his sword over to Lee!:rofl:

[cali]

21. 169 pledged delegates

dear. And the SD gap is being closed every day. You can try and pretend that's nothing but the fact remains that it's a small but significant lead. He's ahead in the popular vote too. He's ahead in all national polls and he's closing in PA. I'm fine with Hill staying in through the voting. I will not be fine with it, if after it ends, and if Obama is put over the top by a combination of pledged delegates and SD support, she decides to take it to the convention. That will be tar and feather time- metaphorically speaking,of course.

[hill_win_2008]

27. I'm not disagreeing

I think we should let the voting continue. That's my point to this thread.

It's not over yet. SD haven't voted yet. Some have switched where they lie with their voting, so who knows where this will end up. SD can change however they want, and then eventually vote. Let's at least vote out the primaries.

Everyone is asking Hillary to quit to bring the party together, she can't win, etc. Why not ask it of Obama? That's my point. That's all.

[stahbrett]

30. It's NOT too close to call

Obama will have more pledged delegates than Hillary, barring her winning the remaining 10 elections by margins larger than the margin by which she won New York's election. Let that sink in a moment before hitting reply... Also, try to imagine the response by voters if the candidate entering the convention with the most delegates has the nomination given to another candidate by a few hundred party bigwigs.

[hill_win_2008]

33. Still too close

He can't win unless she leaves or SDs put him over. Same could be said for her.

That's my point.

[stahbrett]

36. That is correct, but if the SDs put him over, they're ratifying the will of the voters

If the SDs put Hillary over, they're overturning the will of the voters.

To think that those two scenarios are in any way similar is crazy, in my opinion...

[hill_win_2008]

39. "Ratifying the will" huh?

So SDs don't go against the will of the people? Is that what you are saying?

So I assume that Ted Kennedy is going to cast his SD vote for Hillary, seeing as how the will of the people of Mass voted for her.

[stahbrett]

73. Collectively the SDs will not go against the will of the people

In my opinion they are not THAT stupid to do that. Now, if you want to get into specific SDs such as Ted Kennedy, etc. - that is completely fine with me, but given the number of states and delegates won, I think it's pretty safe to assume that if ALL SDs voted the way that their district/state voted, Obama would come out ahead. In other words, for every Ted Kennedy, there's likely at least one if not more Sheila Jackson-Lee who would go the other way.

[hill_win_2008]

77. Collectively?

I agree...if this were a landslide and one candidate was holding on to nothing. For instance, Ron Paul on the Repub side.

But that is not the case here.

I suppose I give up. No one really got my point here.

[jefferson_dem]

10. Ha. April Fools!

:rofl:

[NDambi]

11. If this is not a April fool's joke..then this is just for you...

[berni_mccoy]

58. Nice graphic... I'm going to have to borrow that.

[NDambi]

86. Sure thing.....

[mmonk]

12. An excellent post for April fools.

Very funny.

[LTR]

14. You forgot the RickRoll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQI8X2R6Y

[cboy4]

29. I like the very first you tube comment I read.

"Ashcroft is a fuckin Patriot Act asshole and a crazy Bible thumper. Its a good thing that he's not in the US government anymore."

LOL!!

[GoneOffShore]

57. And the Duck Roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cypRZA-meA

[irish.lambchop]

15. This is too funny!

Thanks for the laugh!

[cali]

17. Pathetic. Even more moronic than Obama supporters asking

Hilly to drop out. You don't have an argument at all, genius. Hilly is losing. duh.

[dancingme]

18. Obama's daughters should start answering questions

about how the Lewinsky scandal affected their father.

[LaurenG]

19. Oh silly hilly won't win 2008

Do not put all your energy behind an openly untrusthworthy candidate. Keep a few eggs in the Obama basket.

You just never know how this will turn out.

[hill_win_2008]

22. Why have any more primaries?

I didn't realize that is was a finished race. Of course I haven't turned to TV on yet this morning. So Obama has the nomination? Ok, I take it back then. Congrats to Obama, I stand behind him and ready to fight for him.

I guess everyone was correct to tell Hillary to quit.

[mmonk]

24. Because she hasn't conceded.

That is her right as a candidate.

[Cooley Hurd]

25. "I stand behind him and ready to fight for him."

Aha! I just KNEW your OP was an April Fools Joke! Welcome to our side!:D

[LaurenG]

28. You can't expect me to just let you say what you will without

getting a response. You say it's her I say it's him. The difference is that I know that I might have to vote for her, I'm just trying to get you to see that you may have to do the same for him.

I do not think she is electable in the general. She may win the democratic nomination but I'm nearly certain she'll lose with McCain. I don't have the heart or stomach for any more of the same.

[hill_win_2008]

46. I will vote Democrat

I get it. If he is the nominee, I will back him. All I'm saying is, let the voting continue.

Let's not ask each other to drop out, let's put up our strengths agains McCain's weeknesses.

[armodem08]

90. If you weren't being sarcastic, I'd be encouraged...

The whole problem with Clinton's argument is hypocrisy. She is arguing that the race is still going on because several states have yet to vote. However, once those states do vote, she has announced (see Harold Ickes interview on TPM) that she will disregard any measure of the race that is to her disfavor, including total pledged delegates and the popular vote. She is essentially saying "let's let them all vote, then we'll just try to overturn their votes with superdelegates." If that is her path to the nomination, why not simply ask the superdelegates to weigh in now? She wouldn't be exhibiting any less disrespect for the will of the voters, right? So, again, read your post without a sarcastic tone and you'll be getting somewhere. Hopefully off of DU...

[hill_win_2008]

92. Now I'm being asked to quit?

I love the freedom to express ideas on this board. As long as it is anti-Hillary.

Nobody got the point I was making. Not one.

The best people here could do was call me a Troll and hope I get off of DU.

This nomination will come down to SDs, and none of them have voted yet. Pledged yes. Changed their pledges, yes. But not voted.

Given that, if someone is going to ask one of the candidates to quit, then we should ask both to quit. Or better still, why not just campaign and let the voting continue? Oh wait, that would not be anti-Hillary enough for some.

[Colobo]

23. He's winning. Hillary's not.

[hill_win_2008]

31. Genius!

I never thought of that. I guess she should have dropped out day one!

[mod mom]

26. Yeah..we need another president who is truth-challenged w strong ties to corporate/special interest!

NO THANKS!

[JayFredMuggs]

32. I love these April Fools threads!

As we all know, Hillary suppporters think it's April Fool's day every day of the year.

They think the person in second place should be the nominee!

[zulchzulu]

34. HAHAHAHA! Dang, I love these goofy April Fools messages!

They're so off from reality that it's just funnier than being in sniper fire in your own mind!

:rofl:

[npincus]

35. I hope HRC is paying you well!

I've heard she's been stiffing some of her employees of late... those Bellagio Hotel bills sure burned a hole in the campaign coffers. Not to mention those $12,000 donuts!

[Guava Jelly]

37. Ok

ummmm..aaa..I have no words..

[yourguide]

38. Now see how easy it is to correct your statement?

Hillary Clinton is disrupting the party movement forward. She is causing chaos within our party and preventing months of proper campaigning for our nominee.

By making this drag out until the convention, Hillary is allowing McCain all the time to get his message out there while we are just in-fighting. It's wrong of her to put us through this and she should get out for the good of the party and the country!

With her announcement of giving up his contest for the nomination, she will unite the party behind Barack Obama. Super Delagates will back him, and our party can move forward to a November election.

To continue what she is doing, by desperately trying to grab a nomination which she cannot secure, she is doing more damage and only proving that she is not in this contest for the good of the country, but for her own love of power.

I ask you, Senator Clinton, please put aside your personal goals and put the country's goals first: drop out of the race.

[hill_win_2008]

41. You got it!

You got my point exactly. Everyone is calling for Hillary to quit, but by changing the words, one could just as easily ask for Obama to quit.

I say, let the voting continue.

[yourguide]

42. The difference is...

she is so far behind in delegates, unless a photo pops up of Obama roasting a kitten she cant catch up.

never once have I heard anyone call upon the frontrunner to bow out in a race except the crazy HRC supporters

HRC should quit.

[hill_win_2008]

44. You had it, but lost it.

Yeah, he is a huge front runner. What is he up? 150 delegates out of 1300? Wow, he's the clear winner. End of contest, let's move on.

You should have quit while you were ahead.

I'm not truly calling for Obama to quit. I'm trying to tell Obama supporters than neither should quit yet. Geesh!

[yourguide]

45. Thats a margin of over 10% my friend.

10%, presidential elections have been won by lesser margins...and based on the four letter word that HRC supporters cant bear to hear...MATH...she CANT catch up unless she wins EVERY remaining contest at 64%.

You should have bought a calculator before you posted.

[hill_win_2008]

48. I'm now calculating...

Oh, I see that he can't secure the nomination unless she drops out and SDs keep pledging to vote against the "will of the people" as someone here wrote.

Honestly, you had it with your first post...just stop.

[yourguide]

50. Oh and considering he's ahead in number of states...

pledged delegates and popular vote, any super delegates going his way would be supporting the will of the people, not the other way around.

[hill_win_2008]

53. Oh I see...

So it's just a popular vote contest? I mean it's not a state by state thing.

So if Hillary wins in a state, but the SDs from that state decide to vote Obama it's ok because overall he's winning the popular vote in the country? It might not be in accordance with the will of the people from that state, but as long as it is the "will" of most of the people throughout the country then it's fine?

And you people call Hillary's side crooked!

[yourguide]

55. No, it's a delegate contest

get a calculator...do the math.

and HRCs side is as crooked as they come. Sorry, when the race first started I would have been happy with either candidate but as I saw how dirty HRC decided to play I planted my feet firmly against her.

[yourguide]

56. Go here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5332098&mesg_id=5332098

She cant win shy of an obama roasting a kitten photo.

[hill_win_2008]

61. So it is a SD contest, unlike you said earlier

Very interesting. Of course it goes right to the SD, unlike you stated earlier that it was about just delegates.

SDs haven't voted yet. Not sure if you are aware of that or not. They change their mind all the time, voting how they will.

Nothing in that posting shows that Hillary CAN'T win. Difficult climb perhaps, but it's not over with.

You could have said the same thing after day one. I say let the voting continue that's all!

[yourguide]

62. Unless youd like the superdelegates

to circumvent the will and VOTES of the people, she cannot win.

buy a calculator.

[hill_win_2008]

63. What is the "will"?

Answer that. Is it per state, or popular contest of the country?

[yourguide]

64. any way you slice it he's ahead.

so take your pick.

[hill_win_2008]

66. Anyway you steal it, he's ahead...

Ok, I understand now.

[yourguide]

67. What user name were you tombstoned under?

He's ahead in popular vote

ahead in number of states

ahead in delegates

If that doesnt represent the will of the voters I dont know what does.

the only "stealing" to be done is by HRC

[hill_win_2008]

69. Your last post

I'm only trying to see how you think the SDs should vote. Based on overal popular vote, their own will or who won their state.

If the answer is "Anyway you slice it", then you mean anyway YOU slice it. To me, if a candidate wins a state, the SDs in that state should vote that will. And that's not what's happening.

[yourguide]

70. No, I never suggested that all of the superdelegates

per state go with the states votes. however they should split with the will of the voters...just like the primary process.

[hill_win_2008]

72. Not happening

It's not happening that way, not the primary process way. The SDs in Mass are pledged to Obama. Who won the state? Hillary. How is that the will? Because overall he is winning the popular vote in the country? Someone should have told Ted Kennedy to wait before pledging then.

Look, Obama will probably get it, but he getting it through SDs.

[yourguide]

80. with all due respect...

considering HRC is behind in pledged delegates and popular vote but ahead in super delegates I cant imagine why you're complaining...

[hill_win_2008]

81. Respect back

My only complaint is that everyone is saying that she CAN'T win so should quit. At the same time, they are saying that he CAN'T lose, so she should quit.

Both statements are wrong. As wrong as my original post of telling Obama to drop out.

[City Lights]

47. Look at the percentages. It's not as close as you're pretending. eom

[yourguide]

49. The delegate spread is 52% - 48%

for her to catch up...she has to gain over 10% of her own total.

Those 4 percentage points mean she has to win EVERY remaining race at 64% or more. She cant do it.

She should drop out.

[City Lights]

51. I know and I agree.

:hi:

[yourguide]

52. yup

just reminding our delusional friend...man those HRC supporters really hate math.

[frogcycle]

40. responses to this thread confirm the lack of logical thinking on this board

you make a totally valid point (I don't support or oppose either candidate).

Yes, he looks to have it pretty well in hand. Fine. If they would stop mudslinging and just work like crazy to actually show how good a job they'll do, then either a great epiphany will strike and every remaining delegate will go to her, or he'll complete the race and get the nomination. And that is as it should be.

I think there is plenty of shit-flinging coming from partisans for both, and a whole lot coming from the right and being passed off as coming from them. Much as Al Queda sought successfully to pit Sunni vs Shia by blowing up the Golden Mosque and other acts, the right is seeking to prolong this shit, and the partisans for both take the bait each and every time. To wit, the idiocy over babies - give me a freaking break! And when all is said and done, some significant percentage of Obama supporters will be convinced Hillary called Obama a baby hater.

I kind of like Mario Cuomo's solution: they both agree that WHOEVER wins the nom will name the other as VP. Then as a team they campaign against muckain. The way things stand right now, unless H somehow managed to appear vastly more "presidential" or something, we all know how that would turn out. So in a way it would be a tacit deal - she "drops out" in exchange for VP slot - but at least technically, she'd still have her shot, and people voting in the upcoming primaries would make the decision final.

Would they be a good team together? Hard to say - there is some baggage to dispose of - but if they are as mature and competant as they both claim, and appear to be, then they could pull that off.

As Cuomo said, they claim they could negotiate with Iran, deal with Darfur, etc. So why can't they negotiate an accord with each other?

And to all the partisans for both who insist they cannot accommodate the other - I bet you feel negotiating with Iran, talking to the Palestinians is a good idea.

[NavyDavy]

54. exactly what I was getting out of the op....but some on both candidates

teams just cant get it

[Renew Deal]

43. There's a sockpuppet parade and everyone is invited.

:party:

[GoneOffShore]

60. Yep - It's Tuesday.

They said they'd be back on Tuesday.

So, this must be Tuesday.

[GoneOffShore]

59. What a maroon!!!

Maybe you should see if the mods will let you change your handle to Hill_Lost_2008.

Because she sure isn't going to win. And if she steals the nom, she'll definitely lose the GE.

[smiley_glad_hands]

65. lolcats n/t

[Lucky 13]

68. BWAHAHAHAHA. Good one. Happy April Fools Day Everyone!!!

[mopinko]

71. get the money now.

her credit is getting pretty bad.

[burythehatchet]

74. Your screen name is the BEST April Fool joke of the day thus far, but then

someone with the name hill_is_honest could pop up

[JBoy]

76. I love newbies with usernames of limited shelf-life.

I think I remember this poster previously as "parachute_pants dude".

[burythehatchet]

78. solidarity with Sinbad?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

75. is today, 4/1, particularly special for some reason?

[anonymous171]

79. Welcome back!

[book_worm]

82. ahead in delegates, ahead in contests won, ahead in popular vote and he should quit?

[hill_win_2008]

83. Should she?

Is the contest over?

[Khaotic]

84. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Cheap_Trick]

85. yes, the front runner should quit.......

in hillary-world, where up is down and good is bad.

Please return to FR now.

[Forkboy]

87. Sounds like someone is channeling jlake.

[Alter Ego]

88. April Fools', correct?

If not, you're a moron.

Otherwise, good one.

[hill_win_2008]

89. Last minute don't count

Read the whole thread to at least try and see the point I was making.

I say it again: This is NOT an April Fool's joke!

If people are going to call for Hillary to drop out of the race, then others of us should call for Obama to drop out. It makes just as much sense at this point.

[walldude]

91. Yeah cause Rocky mignt kick his ass...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fucking troll moron..