MSNBC - DELEGATE UPDATE: OBAMA WINS TX

[HopeforChange]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/01/846611.aspx

[Bicoastal]

1. We know, we know...

Old news, right?

[BlueIdaho]

2. Now That's

an inconvenient truth...

[NoodleyAppendage]

3. But...but...but...we were told that Hillary won it. Not fair...whaaaaa.

This will bring out the wimp HillBot dumbass flood. Thanks for providing a bit of good news to those of us who live in the reality-based Dem community.

J

[ekwhite]

22. Yes, let's trash other Democrats

Certainly, you can come up with a few more insults for Clinton supporters. It's not like Bill O'Reilly reads DU and Daily Kos and writes columns about them or anything. :sarcasm:

[NoodleyAppendage]

31. Who gives a rat's ass what the sexual deviant and predator Bill O'Reilly thinks???

Since when do we as Democrats care what that assclown thinks? The mere fact that he's friendly to Clinton should tell anyone with half a brain that the Repukes want to run against Clinton because they know they can clean her clock.

If my language shames some Dems into commonsensical thinking about the electiblity of Clinton, then good. If they can't see the problem she poses for a general election, then those Dems are already lost (or are voting for her for personal, though...probably racist or sexist reasons).

J

[blogslut]

4. He'll win even harder in June

I am now officially in love with the Texas Prima/Caucus. :love:

[TheDoorbellRang]

5. It also mentions the gain in MS

"Also note, the Obama campaign has passed around that it has picked up two delegates in Mississippi, showing Obama with a 20-13 lead. NBC News' count remains 19-14 for Obama so far."

That MS advance due entirely to our own DUer, thevoiceofreason!!!
:applause:

[grantcart]

8. great catch - I was walking the dog - what did they say?

[TheDoorbellRang]

16. Not much -- just that little bit that I posted

It'll probably take a few days for the news to wend its way up to official status.:-)

[sonias]

19. Yes TVOR is "the source"

The Obama campaign should send him a thank you!

Way to go TVOR!!



Sonia

[K Gardner]

30. All they have to do is check with Miss. in order to "update their count". Why would they leave the

count as 19-14 ? They evidently haven't even taken the time to verify the new numbers and are saying that the "obama camp has passed around". Pfft.

[bunnies]

6. They still call the state for Clinton on the map though.

Go figure.

[redqueen]

10. It's cause MSNBC hearts Obama...

one has to go to FAUX for fair coverage of Hillary's campaign.

:sarcasm:

:crazy:

[bunnies]

17. uh. In my sleep deprivation, I must have forgotten.

FAUX is fair and balanced.

Oh and psstt... I dont know if you know this but.... Obama is black. gasp!!!

[dana_b]

32. yeah, but if you go to Obama's site

you'll see that his map has TX. for him! haha - whatever they think, we know and Obama knows that he won there.

[City Lights]

7. Are they talking about it on the teevee, or just putting it on their

website?

[jobycom]

9. So the loser of the popular vote still gets more delegates.

Just remember that if the superdelegates start falling for Clinton.

[stray cat]

12. Look at what happened to Gore - guess who became president

[Mooney]

13. That's a pretty big "if" at this point.

If the superdelegates are going to "start" falling for Clinton, then that must mean to you that something game-changing is on the horizon. Since it's impossible for HRC to overtake Obama's delegate lead without winning all the remaining contests by 20-point margins, that must mean that you expect something terrible to happen to Obama's candidacy.

What would that be, exactly? There's been a lot of innuendo among some of the Obama's disparagers here that "something" is going to happen that will cause his numbers to plunge and catapult HRC's numbers into the stratosphere. What would that be exactly? Wright? Rezko? Him talking about his grandmother?

I'm really curious about this. I keep reading this around here, that any day now, his numbers are going to tank, and it keeps on not happening. So what's going to happen? Do tell? What is this Really Big Shoe That's Going To Drop and when will it drop? The suspense is killing me.

[jobycom]

26. I said if, I meant if.

Who knows what's going to happen? Look how quickly it turned on Clinton.

You want a hypothetical situation, I'll shoot one out. I don't expect this to happen, but just to demonstrate what Obama already knows. Clinton wins PA by 15%, and polls show her closing. Suddenly, Obama's on a losing streak. Losing breeds contempt, and the media starts talking about his "slump" because that's how the media operates--create conflict even if there is none. Suddenly everything Obama says sounds like an excuse, and suddenly Clinton gets the "Comeback Kid" label. The media starts comparing her revival to her husband's in 92.

So she gets the buzz, and Obama starts looking defensive. The media shows pictures of her smiling charmingly and triumphantly while they show pictures of Obama looking confused and worried.

This is America, home of the short attention span. People forget why they liked Obama, start switching to Clinton. The polls already show a close race, so it wouldn't take a major shift. So she wins the rest (except NC) of the primaries strongly.

IF (not saying or even believing it will) that happens, suddenly the "conventional wisdom" shifts. Suddenly rather than buying the meme that Obama leads in the popular vote, people begin buying the opposite meme, that Obama built an inflated lead through the caucus system, which discriminates, according to the Washington legislature, against the old, the infirm, evening workers, and women--all of whom favor Clinton, you may notice. They point to Texas and Washington as proof that Obama has won delegates through the caucuses that he wouldn't have won in a primary election.

That gives the supers an excuse to shift back to Clinton. Supers are politicians, they will go whichever way the wind blows.

Like I said, I don't expect that to happen, and don't believe it will happen, but stranger things have happened. Ask Obama about his election to the Senate. And regardless of the likelihood, it's enough of a possibility for Clinton to hang around and keep fighting.

My first post was only a reversal of what Obama supporters have been saying, that Obama should get the superdelegates because he's been winning the popular vote. Texas proves that caucuses aren't the popular vote.

As for your "Obama's disparagers" presumption that "something is going to happen," I don't know. I don't like Obama, and I've got a sense of doom as bad as when the SCOTUS gave the White House to Bush. I don't know what hope other Obama "disparagers" have--I have none. I'm just describing what's possible, not what I expect.

[GarbagemanLB]

23. Is that the waaaambulance I hear?

[jobycom]

28. Is there a post in there, or do you just think ad hominem attacks speak well of you? nt

[ekwhite]

24. Yep - Texas is weird that way

But the Clinton campaign should have known about the hybrid caucus/primary system going in, and prepared for that. They failed to plan properly, and lost the caucus vote. The Obama campaign has been smart about caucuses since the beginning.

The flaws of the entire primary system have been revealed by this close and extended campaign. This may be an opportunity for each of us to reform the primary system in our own state, and nationally. We should not let this drop after the election, but we cannot change what has already happened.

[jobycom]

29. Agreed an almost all counts.

The one minor disagreement is about preparation. Clinton prepared, and well, for the caucus system. I know some of her people around here, I saw the preparations. Obama did more than prepare, he played dirty. He broke rules and laws to get his edge. Well, maybe not him, but his handlers. Clinton wasn't prepared for the dirty pool, and when she threatened to sue, Obama spun it as sour grapes rather than legal redress, and she had to let it go. Still, it's a rough sport, and she should have expected it.

We need to fix the caucus system. Caucuses are good for adopting resolutions for the conventions, and even for choosing specialized positions like precinct chairs or conventio delegates, where the average voter has no understanding of the issues. But it's a bad way to choose presidential delegates. The problem with fixing it is that the winner never wants it fixed, because he or she benefitted from it.

[Vinca]

11. Old Andrea had a guy on MSNBC a short time ago talking about

campaign finances and the guy made some statement about Obama outspending Clinton 5 to 1 in Ohio and Texas and it didn't do him much good. I swear. And no one bothered to correct him and tell him Obama had won Texas. I hate these "news" people.

[sonias]

20. Me too - I hate the MSM

Some of them are just lazy bastards not willing to do the minimum research to report correctly. Some of them are downright evil with their own corporate agendas. Some of them are incompetent for other reasons.

Who are you going to trust? Certainly not the mainstream media. Get your own news yourself - if you want the truth that is.


Sonia

[quantass]

14. Way to go!! Another state for Obama!

[Megahurtz]

15. Yes!

[sonias]

18. We now have the blessing of the MSM

:woohoo:

Hey those of us in Texas knew it wasn't over on March 4th and we knew we could deliver for Obama.

Yes we did!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:


Sonia

[1776Forever]

21. Bill Clinton: If We Lose Ohio Or Texas, It's Probably Over

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/20/bill-clinton-if-we-lose-_n_87670.html

Bill Clinton: If We Lose Ohio Or Texas, It's Probably Over

ABC News | RICK KLEIN and SARAH AMOS | February 20, 2008

There's a Texas-sized stumbling block on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's comeback trail.

Even Clinton's most devoted surrogate -- her husband, Bill Clinton -- acknowledged the do-or-die stakes on Wednesday in Beaumont, Texas, conceding that a loss in Texas or Ohio would likely doom her candidacy.

.............

Hey Bill - How's your day going???????????

GObama!



:kick:

[wowimthere]

25. Both Clintons... Liars! Plain and Simple... and her supporters love that?

[meow mix]

27. K&R

[jenmito]

33. Strange how they play it as no big deal-Obama won TX's delegate count-now he gained more delegates.

Why no BIG DEAL made of it??? Why are they not giving this BIG PLAY and making a big deal out of it? HE WON TX!!! That means Hillary DIDN'T!

[stillcool]

38. He picked up some delgates..

Clinton had a decisive victory. Delegates don't matter anymore. Who knew?

[jenmito]

34. I wish Obama and his surrogates would put out statements saying they won TX despite all claims of

the Clintons and the media, and they should dare the media to ask Bill Clinton to comment now that his wife lost it.

[hell-bent]

35. Yes, they won Texas even though 100,000 voters

were disenfranchised because their votes didn't count. Hillary gets 100K more votes than the loser and the Messiah "wins" Texas! :wtf: Have you Obama supporters studied the election techniques of Stalin? I guess that is why the super-delegates were created to override shit like this.

[jenmito]

36. So you don't understand the rules of TX's prima-caucus? Not MY fault...

Bill Clinton understands the rules which is why he told voters they had to vote TWICE or Hillary would lose, saying, "It's all on you!"

[mdmc]

37. finally

[ORDem]

39. K

:kick:

[cliffordu]

40. Can someone PLEEEZE share this information with the talking heads

in the MSM ALL of whom seem to think to this day that Hill won "A huge victory" there.....

I saw some pussbag on CNN say that very thing today and it went unchallenged by the empty suit they had doing the interview....