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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:43 PM
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Hillary suppporters: Explain to me how the final numbers can work ...
For Hillary to gain the nomination?

I just want to know how that happens.

Hillary wins all contests coming up?
OR

Hillary wins 8 out of 10 contests coming up?

OR

OR

OR

Please spell it out... tell us how it's possible for Hillary to be our nominee, how the votes and the convention plays out..

Then I, as an Obama supporter, will certainly vote for her against John McSame.

But first I would like to know how your plan pulls this off now... if you can describe how that happens.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:44 PM
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1. Numbers don't count.


Bwa ha ha ha!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:47 PM
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2. if you would vote McCain over the Dem, no matter who it is... just leave now.
that is some dumb... and that goes for both Hillary and Obama supporters.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:56 PM
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5. I said I would vote for Hillary, I WILL VOTE for Hillary
NOT McSame, please read carefully, you seem to miss the point so often here.

Do you ever bother to read before responding with your anger toward Obama supporters?

I would like an explanation from Hillary supporters as to how she can possibly pull this off and become the woman I will vote for.

You failed to convince me with your insults.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:53 PM
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3. They don't do math...
You'll be lucky if a supporter of Hillary even posts here...
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:12 PM
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7. I want to be lucky
If they don't do math......I will help with the addition.

Are they that arithmetically challenged?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 02:55 PM
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4. Right back at you how does Obama get the required number to win?
I mean after all he is the presumptive winner and yet....That pesky 2024 just can't seem to find him.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:00 PM
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6. He wins with honesty and work, and super-delegates who
By and large, follow the will of all the voters. And who want a victory in November with the most electable candidate, the one who wins all the national polls in August, Obama. Hillary does NOT will polls against McSame even now.


No Hillary supporter can claim that they have a way for her to win the nomination. I am giving them a chance to show us the math, but they seem to be more into insulting me as the original poster.

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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:12 PM
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17. show me your math and i will show you mine. n/t
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:16 AM
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19. Once again you cannot prove that
obama can get to 2024, and it seems that he cannot if PA goes HRC. So once again i will slow thiiissss dooooowwwwwnnnnn rreeeaaaalllll slllllllllloooooooooooowwwwwww fooooooooooorrrrrrrrr yyyyyyooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuu, how does he get to the REQUIRED 2024?
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:17 PM
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8. How does this statement mean I will ever vote for McSame?
"Then I, as an Obama supporter, will certainly vote for her against John McSame."

I really would like to know how ANYONE sees that as an endorsement of McSame, or a promise to vote for McSame.

Hillary supporters? Anyone?
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:21 PM
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9. Seems like no Hillary supporters can explain
How this is going to work in her favor!
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:33 PM
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10. This should be an easy question for any Hillary supporter to answer
But after 30 minutes, not a single answer.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:48 PM
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11. How does a kick work
kick

I really wonder if any Hillary supporters can add.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:50 PM
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13. They can add superdelegates.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:48 PM
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12. Simple. The superdelegates at the convention give her the votes she needs.
That's all. All else on the way there is superfluous.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:10 PM
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14. Why would they do that?
Explain how that makes sense.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:14 PM
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15. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be possible. (Not a HRC supporter)
It is still *possible* for her to win. Pledged delegates *can* switch. Superdelegates *can* vote for her. She *can* appeal to the credentials committee to seat MI and FL.


Technically, she *can* still win.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:37 PM
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16. Yup....she doesn't HAVE to win. She just needs to prevent Obama from reaching enough....
...delegates until the convention.

The Popular Vote doesn't matter...although HRC stands a decent chance of overtaking Obama in the National popular vote in the next 10 contests.

The Pledged Delegates don't matter...as long as HRC can prevent BO from reaching the 2025 delegate number, which she stands to do. Also, as has been pointed out previously, pledged delegates can basically vote for who they want to.

The only thing that matters to HRC is getting to the convention and stating her case to the superdelegates. If she DOES overtake Obama in the popular vote, she could make a pretty good case to the superdelegates why they should vote for her and make her the Democratic Nominee. Even if she doesn't overtake Obama, I wouldn't count Hillary out.

The next few months should be quite interesting.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:20 AM
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20. Not gonna happen. Period.
Pelosi, Dean and Reid have made it completely clear that this will NOT go to the Convention. One way or another either Clinton or Obama will have 2025 by the end of June. And I am NOT saying that it isn't possible that Clinton will be the one who gets it, only that it won't go to the Convention, and yes those folks have the power to make sure it doesn't.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:13 AM
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21. Eggsactly. You, Antigop and I have given the OP the answer to his question: "Explain to me *how*
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 08:27 AM by Seabiscuit
the final numbers can work ... For Hillary to gain the nomination?"

The OP didn't ask "why", he asked "how".

And there's the answer to the question. It also answers the expanded questions at the bottom of the OP: "Please spell it out... tell us *how* it's possible for Hillary to be our nominee, *how* the votes and the convention plays out. Then I, as an Obama supporter, will certainly vote for her against John McSame. But first I would like to know *how* your plan pulls this off now... if you can describe *how* that happens.*

Looks like JayFredMuggs will be voting for Hillary against John McSame if he's true to his promise.

The "why" is irrelevant - because superdelegates can vote any way they want at the convention, based solely on what they personally think about (1) who each of them think would be the best candidate and (2) who appears to each of them would be best able to beat John McCain - i.e., who is the most "electable". And they can change their minds all they want right up to that final vote at the convention.

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:37 PM
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18. The answer is...
She bullies the supers to go against the will of the voters.

The Hillary supporters are crying about counting all the votes...but what they really want is the voters to be ignored and allow the supers to give her the nod.

Hypocrisy at it's best?
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