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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:10 PM
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Alec Baldwin: A Vote for Hillary Is a Vote for the Death of the Dollar
from HuffPost:




Alec Baldwin
A Vote for Hillary Is a Vote for the Death of the Dollar
Posted April 1, 2008 | 03:40 PM (EST)



I remember sitting in an anteroom at Queens College back in 2000. I was there, along with Senator Schumer, to introduce Hillary Clinton, who was running for her first term as senator from New York. Before I went out to make my introduction, a very young woman who was a Clinton staffer looked at me and said, "What do you think of Hillary?" As I was already there to participate in the campaign, I was puzzled. "Do you mean personally?" I asked. "No," she said. "For president!" Although Rick Lazio had no real chance of defeating Mrs. Clinton, her name wasn't yet on a door in the Russell Building, and 'Hillary for President' was starting to roll.

Two years earlier, I had asked a prominent Democratic political consultant about the 1998 Senate race, with the Democratic primary between Schumer, Mark Green and Geraldine Ferraro. All three were vying to finally dispose of the hated Alfonse D'Amato. My consultant friend explained how Ferraro would be tough and would likely stay in the race for some time. "Ferraro had gathered all of her supporters in New York back in 84, when she was the vice presidential nominee. It was a very significant and emotional event for many of these women. Gerry asked that if she ever needed their support again, could she count on them. All the women pledged to be there for Gerry, no matter what. This was a group of powerful, female New York Democrats. They either had a lot of money themselves, or their husbands did. You could tell that they were less concerned with actually winning the race. They just wanted a woman nominee. One of them told me that "We'll never win a race without becoming the nominee. It all begins here. It may take time, but we're building toward something." There are wealthy, politically connected, educated women who want a woman candidate, whether she has a chance in the general election or not. They're building toward something.

Of course, one thing a Clinton candidacy should be building toward is how to deal with the looming disaster in the financial markets that we now face. My friend Max Keiser, who reports for both BBC and Al Jazeera on global financial issues, has a valuable take on what a Clinton versus Obama economic plan might look like. Keiser e-mailed me this brief anaysis:

Looking at it purely from economic angle;

Obama has Paul Volcker as economic adviser -- he mopped up the stagflation of the '70s with 'tough love' of higher interest rates.

Hillary has Robert Rubin -- who demolished the last vestiges of Glass-Steagel which opened up the flood gates of securitizing loans and the current subprime (and now prime) credit crisis.

The current plan by Rubin's Goldman Sachs buddies Hank Paulson, (and Ben Bernanke), and their UK counterparts -- is to simply repackage all this bad debt and resell it again.. (making banks another fee); and hope that the problem will go away...

I do not believe this plan will work -- because in order for it to work -- long term interest rates have to go down -- which they are not likely to do now that China and India are no longer a source of cheap labor they once were... (the productivity miracle Alan Greenspan was always talking about amounted to outsourcing labor to China and now that game is up as wages in China go up and so-called productivity gains have faded).

The absolute necessity now is to stop bailing out banks, stop flooding the economy with more cheap money (money supply in US is running at an historic high of 16%), and stop raising the debt ceiling.

The buck (as in US dollar) has to stop being devalued by Paulson, Bernanke, etc. and their money printing banking friends or prices for food and gas will just continue zooming higher....

A hard, and probably a brutally hard recession has to be allowed to happen right now and the US needs to take its medicine for Greenspan's sins..

Putting off the day of reckoning with more re-packaging of debts as is the current 'master plan' of Paulson and Co. is only going to jeopardize the US dollar and possibly kill the US dollar off completely. (massive devaluation).

In other words: if Obama will force America to swallow a Paul Volcker anti-inflation economic pill than there really is no choice.

Voting for Hillary is voting for certain US dollar death.

(unless you own gold, and you are rooting for a dollar death, then vote for Hillary).


I will be back with more of Keiser's insights (he should be posting here) and Obama versus Hillary comparisons later.

Here are some links to read more about the financial implications of Clinton versus Obama, all provided by Max Keiser.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/a-vote-for-hillary-is-a-v_b_94498.html
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:13 PM
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1. Interesting
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:13 PM
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2. Wow!
Not surprising since Hillary is very much pro big business.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:22 PM
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3. And I know this about jamie rubin..
he lies about Obama's campaign to build up hilary. No scruples.. which is indicative of hilary's surrogates, bar none.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:23 PM
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4. A Better Title: A Vote for Hillary is a Vote for a Rude, Thoughtless Little Pig.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:30 PM
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8. Now that was really insightful...
Irony impairment seems to epidemic among a certain set of Obama supporters.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:35 PM
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9. You don't know what that's in reference to?
Come on...it's a jab at Alec, not HRC.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:01 PM
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10. Well, its mostly a jab at Alec, LOL.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:44 PM
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16. You think you would be ashamed to put a picture of Jesus up
after language like that.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:57 PM
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40. Oh FFS, learn about your Alec Baldwin History.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:25 PM
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47. Well, I thought it was funny
I think people in GDP are always half-cocked with their finger on the trigger, combine that with a collectively withered sense of humour and context and bam, you get your head ripped off for a joke.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM
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74. dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:51 AM by swampg8r
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM
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75. my fingers are too fat i keep sending twice lol
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:52 AM by swampg8r
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:51 AM
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76. and your jesus history too
jesus didn't have a problem calling a pile of crap a pile of crap
i really don't think anyone who supports hillary (except maybe carville) can make a case for jesus backing her actions
he didn't have patience for hypocrisy
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:13 PM
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52. You forgot "proven serial liar".
NT!

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:33 PM
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53. Hey! Alec didnt say that!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #4
78. hnmnf...meet mirror..oink!
Baldwin beats women and is a f*cking drunk!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:23 PM
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5. Dupe - delete
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 03:23 PM by hnmnf
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:26 PM
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6. Coffee is for nominees.
;)
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:28 PM
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7. Grande soy latte for me.
:)

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:39 PM
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14. me too!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:02 PM
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11. When I think economics I think Alec Baldwin
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:42 PM
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15. Yeah, no kidding.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:47 PM
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17. Me Too
And I would think a fair person would share that observation regardless of which candidate he supports...

He's advocating a Volcker like recession...During that recession unemployment hit 10.8% and capacity utilization went below 70%... If that happened during a Democratic administration we would the House, Senate, and presidency for a generation...

Plus Baldwin's a millionaire...He wouldn't feel much pain...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:04 PM
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21. Unemployment is already close to that.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 05:05 PM by redqueen
They only publish the massaged numbers nowadays.

Table A-12 is where they include people who are unemployed, but are not counted.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:11 PM
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22. If You Accept The Premise That The Unemployment Figures Are Understated
Then it was 21.6% then and 10% now...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:12 PM
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24. I don't know that that is the case. It depends on when
the 'new math' on unemployment figures was introduced.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:16 PM
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28. Folks Have Been Claming That Real Unemployment Is Higher Than The Official Unemployment Number For
Years...

I lived through the Reagan-Volcker recession... There was fear that the official unemployment rate could go to fifteen, sixteen percent...

Those are real people getting hurt, not well heeled movie stars like Alec Baldwin...

For the record I love Baldwin's work and activism but to wish economic pain on working folks to make some political point is silly...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:28 PM
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31. It doesn't matter what 'folks claim'.
What matters is when the methods of calculation have been changed, and how.

Yes, recessions are bad. Nevertheless, corrections are easier the sooner they're made.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:30 PM
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33. You Can Massage The Data To Say Anything You Want
The official unemployment rate hit 10.8% at the apex of the Volcker- Reagan recession...If you can cite a non-partisan economist who claims the official unemployment rate is nearly that high now please cite him or her.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:35 PM
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35. No economists' opinions are necessary.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 05:38 PM by redqueen
Look back and see what changes have been made to the method of calculation. That's really all that's needed.

I've been looking, and I'm finding mostly historical stuff about other countries' methodologies changing... surprisingly little on the history of this process in the US.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:41 PM
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36. There Was A Change In Methodology In 1994*
United States: Unemployment, civilian employment and civilian labour force are from the monthly Current Population Survey of persons aged 16 and over. The data are seasonally adjusted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Since January 1994, the data have been based on a new survey methodology, and are not directly comparable with data for previous years. For a full discussion of the implications of the change see Box 1 in the OECD Economic Survey of the United States (November 1994). Data are seasonally adjusted at source.



*But the change actually made the unemployment figure higher but by only a very small percentage
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:47 PM
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37. Now that is definitely an opinion...
and not one that I would share without figures to back it up.
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maxkeiser Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:36 AM
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77. pain now or pain later
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 05:55 AM by maxkeiser
it's a question of timing... pain now or pain later. the longer the US waits (to raise rates) the worse the pain will be. if the US had a responsible Fed chairman during Greenspan's tenure - rates would have been boosted (without simultaneously adding to money supply) no later than in '96 at the time of the famous 'irrational exuberance' speech made by greenspan.. a healthy recession would have set the stage for a more solid advance.

Now, since money supply growth was never mopped up at the appropriate time - it (the money) is 'bleeding' into the 'real' economy in the form of high food and energy... (after it took a speculative turn through America's real estate bubble)

Bernanke's (read: goldmansach's) plan is to dump even more credit into the system to try and put off the day of reckoning again is only going to stoke price inflation higher and maul savers who end up subsidizing wall street gamblers who never have to pay for their bad bets (except for the guys at Bear, but that was political, not financial).

yes.. it's war... war of savers versus speculators... savers want higher rates NOW! workers too should prefer higher rates as it increases the returns on their pension accounts... but that point is lost in America as workers have very little representation in Washington or the media and lack leadership to lobby effectively..

watch my 12 minute film on this new war..
SAVERS VERSUS SPECULATORS
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYi2W9vEfw
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Y'all do realize that's not his analysis, right?
That he's just passing it on?

It seems like pretty sound reasoning to me.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:01 PM
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20. In other words, "Actors should just shut up about politics."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:11 PM
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23. Some other info on Max Keiser, who wrote the information.
http://www.maxkeiser.com/

http://www.karmabanque.com/ (there's something by him linked from this site, but my settings won't let me view it)
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:10 PM
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46. When I think balls I think Alec Baldwin. Schweddy balls.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 06:11 PM by faygokid



Teri Rialto: Please welcome the owner of Season's Eatings - Pete Schweddy.

< Pete pulls up to his mike >

Margeret Jo McCullen: Well, Pete, Teri and I have been looking forward to having you on the show, 'cause we know you're the master of all kinds of Christmas goodies. Tell us about them.

Pete Schweddy: Well, there are lots of great treats this time of year - Zucchini Bread, Fruitcake.. but the thing that I most like to bring out this time of year are my Balls.

Teri Rialto: Mmm.. Balls.. Tell us about your Balls, Pete.

Pete Schweddy: Well, over at Season's Eatings, we have Balls for every taste. Popcorn Balls, Cheese Balls, Rum Balls.. you name it.

Margeret Jo McCullen: Wow! My mouth's watering just thinking about those Balls!

Teri Rialto: It's been years since I've seen any Balls.

Pete Schweddy: Would you like to see my Balls now?

Margeret Jo McCullen: Yeah. Whip them out.

< Pete places a tray of Balls on the control board >

Teri Rialto: Mmm.. wow.. you have some beautiful Balls..

Margeret Jo McCullen: They're bigger than I expected.

Pete Schweddy: A lot of people tell me that.

Margeret Jo McCullen: Look at that, Teri - the way they glisten.

Pete Schweddy: That's because make sure that each one of my Balls gets plenty of oil.

Margeret Jo McCullen: I can't help but, notice, Pete - your Balls are a little misshapen.

Pete Schweddy: That's because I rested them on a hot stove too long.

Teri Rialto: Can I touch your Balls.

Pete Schweddy: Go ahead. But be careful, they're very delicate.

Margeret Jo McCullen: Wow. I can't wait to get my mouth around his Balls.

Teri Rialto: < sniffing > Ooh.. I like the way your Balls smell..

Pete Schweddy: Do whatever you want to, ladies. My Balls are here for your pleasure.

Margeret Jo McCullen: < chewing > Wow, Pete.. I have to say - your Balls are so tender..

Pete Schweddy: Well, there's no beating my Balls. They're made from a secret Schweddy Family recipe. No one can resist my Schweddy Balls.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:36 PM
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12. Has Hillary dropped Greenspan from her list?
The other day she wanted to bring him back so he could work his magic again.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:56 PM
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19. Not that I know of, no.
I fail to see how that guy's going to help anything. Have people forgotten that it was his leadership that brought us to this point?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:38 PM
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13. I do agree that Volcker may be needed again
even though it will hurt.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:39 AM
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70. Doesn't the Volker model, "tough-love" of higher interest rates hurt small borrowers
. . . advantage those savings which most lower income folks (most of us) don't have, make it harder to by a home and raise costs, and generally put the burden square on those of us who can't afford them?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:25 AM
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73. massive inflation hurts the average person more.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:44 AM
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71. and, oh yeah. I remember the economy tanked and we had massive layoffs in the wake of the rate hikes
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:14 PM
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25. Isn't Alec Baldwin a God-loving Repug?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Is that an "April Fools" thing?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:33 PM
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34. No, Alec is a huge Dem -- you're thinking of his brother Stephen.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:15 PM
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26. Alec Baldwin is dead to me.
:crazy:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:16 PM
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27. But its a vote for the birth of the Amereuro.
Go one world government!!! Yeah!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:17 PM
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30. You mean the same Alec Baldwin that threatened his 11yr old daughter?
yeah, he's a model of mental acuity and cool headed thinking.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:29 PM
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32. Again, slowly... he didn't write the analysis. (nt)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:02 PM
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43. Why is his name attribution with the Title?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:05 PM
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44. Are people incapable of reading now? ARGH!
Here, from the OP:

My friend Max Keiser, who reports for both BBC and Al Jazeera on global financial issues, has a valuable take on what a Clinton versus Obama economic plan might look like. Keiser e-mailed me this brief anaysis:


:banghead:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:48 PM
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38. I thought he moved to France
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:54 PM
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39. Why are so many people ignoring the substantive info in the post...
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 05:54 PM by redqueen
preferring instead to go off on tangents about the guy who conveyed the info?

:wtf:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 05:58 PM
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41. He's got huge baggage issues
I don't disagree with what he says--just his belief that he is relevant to US politics.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:01 PM
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42. It's not *his* belief. It's Max Keiser's. (nt)
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. Then what's his name doing on the byline?
We've already had plagiaism issues in this campaign.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:05 AM
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57. You can't honestly be asking me that question.
... plagiarism. :eyes:
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:43 PM
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55. Because it's an actor discussing complex monetary policy issues?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:05 AM
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58. No, it isn't.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:05 AM by redqueen
I apparently WAY overestimated the average reading comprehension skills around here.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:06 PM
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45. I'm going to keep kicking this for more SUBSTANTIVE discussion.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 06:08 PM by redqueen
Thanks, marmar, for posting it.

I think this is kind of a serious issue.


:kick:



On second thought, I might re-post it with out "Alec Baldwin" in the subject line. *sigh*
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:33 PM
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48. Thus Spaketh the Guy With All the Assault Charges
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:06 AM
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59. Max?

*sigh*
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 06:35 PM
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49. Are we supposed to care about what Alec Baldwin thinks?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:06 AM
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60. It's not Alec that is saying this.
READ.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:41 PM
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50. I don't know if I agree with this, because it leaves out of the equation the only
remedy we know of, in this situation--massive government spending on public works and bootstrapping of the poor, a la the "New Deal."

The American economy needs to bottom-line its workers and the poor, and STIMULATE creativity--new businesses, new inventions (such as "green" technology), new adventurousness among the young, education, hope, optimism--not sink into the doldrums of a global corporate predator/Bushite-induced, major Depression. Concurrent with big government spending, we need a kick-butt political program to bust corporate monopolies and remove this fascist influence from government policy.

The finance industry meltdown did not occur in a vacuum. It was/is the result of gross malfeasance and UNDER-regulation, and includes many parallel and massive problems, such as tax cuts to the rich and massive spending for a corporate resource war, amidst a $10 TRILLION deficit, and a bleeding of jobs and manufacturing capability out of the country. And the REMEDY cannot be limited to manipulations of the finance industry. The remedy is a PRODUCTIVE COUNTRY. How do you achieve that--with all these problems? By turning government money away from the highly unproductive--not to mention massively corrupt--military and "homeland security" boondoggles (for the few), and TOWARD the People--the majority, the workers, and the small businesses who are the chief job creators in the country, and the new entrepreneurs who can't get funding.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:08 AM
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62. Oh thank you.
Thank you thank you thank you!

Good points there.



Again... thank you SO MUCH! :D
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:42 PM
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54. Actors are an excellent place to get fiscal policy advice.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:08 AM
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63. READ
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:56 PM
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56. This is the kind of thoughtfull discussion the Democrats should be engaged in. Great!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:09 AM
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64. Do you mean all the people who apparently don't READ
saying glib crap about Alec?

You'd think this crowd would recognize and be hungry for a discussion of an actual issue. You'd be wrong.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:08 AM
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61. The dollar is dying because of the failed policies of Bush
and the republicans... this country is in bad shape financially, and I for one put the blame where it belongs...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:10 AM
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65. Bush sets fiscal policy? I thought Greenspan was much
more involved with that sort of thing during most of Bush's time in office.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:14 AM
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66. Part of the team, was he not?
the war in Iraq has put this country in the crapper... They worked together to screw us all... Just look at the foreclosure rates in any city... There are so many empty houses in my neighborhood alone... They all had their hands in the cookie jar, and they took all the cookies... Jobs being exported, other workers are being imported... We have many problems because of Bush and the policies of the repulicans....


I will vote for whoever our Party nominates....I support the Democratic Party...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:19 AM
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67. He's a puppet.
But you go on and put all the blame on him.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:23 AM
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68. Not just him, Republican Policies
Most of them have failed miserably....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:38 AM
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69. Greenspan was at the helm.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:55 AM
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72. I believe that... He who controls the money,
That has not changed and I can accept that...
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