How could Chelsea misremember Bosnia the same way Hillary did?

[Whisp]

I think it has to be accepted that this was a plotted, scripted, agreed upon lie by at least Hillary and Chelsea, and probably Penn.

Saying this lie 3 times over, over a time of weeks, then claiming she misspoke - but Chelsea did at one time agree with the story.

so whats up?
why does this story have such a short life compared to Wright when it is far more explosive? I still saw the Wright clip on CNN yesterday, (ha!) but bosnia has been put back onto the shelves.

strange. especially with the media being so mean and unfair to Hillary.

[babylonsister]

1. I haven't seen that question asked; good point. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. Thanks for that

good point

[Zhade]

3. How old was she at the time?

She may honestly not remember, unlike her mother's bald-faced lies.

[Cant trust em]

8. She was at least 15

probably old enough to remember being shot at.

[DearAbby]

12. I was 8 yrs old when JFK was killed

I remember everything about that day...EVERYTHING...are you telling me that Chelsea could mistake events about the day she was supposedly been fired upon?

I had no idea that Chelsea had spoken about this, this does bring into question about it being planned. How can two people mistake events exactly the same?

[SoFlaJet]

18. alright DA

we're the same age and I can remember details about that day still-what kind of day it was, that I won an art contest that day, who I played with and in front of which houses and yards, near which fence, what my teacher did and who called her to tell her in class around 1 PM, the things I talked about with my friends and schoolmates ABOUT it-everything, as if it happened yesterday

[DearAbby]

26. I can remember minute details of that day...

and I was only eight...Chelsea was 15 at the time. It's sad to think that Chelsea could be a willing participant to this fabrication. I had more respect for her.

[SoFlaJet]

27. which really proves two things

1-they are friggin liars and
2-they think we're stupid

[Ravy]

55. Oh? Who *really* killed him?

*grin*

[SwampG8r]

69. 6 yrs old

and i remember everything that day

[superkia]

67. I have never been shot at directly but was in the direct area of...

gunfire and I will never forget that "I think I am going to shit my pants feeling" as I ran! Hell, I can remember sitting in class in 7th grade when the challenger exploded and another teacher ran into our class to turn it on the tube, I cant imagine anyone forgetting getting shot at, unless its a weekly occurrence in a bad neighborhood?

[snooper2]

76. I remember busting two front teeth out when I was 5...

I'm sure I would remember being shot at :rofl:

[TexasLady]

4. jogging anyone?

[ecstatic]

5. It's possible. I'm pretty sure I saw a werewolf when I was a little kid

and I told my sister (2 years younger) and she says she saw it too. Overactive imaginations can be contagious, especially when you're really young. So I can understand a false memory on Chelsea's part... Hillary? Not so much. She was a grown woman at the time.

[roguevalley]

42. I won't give her a false memory pass. I give her a daughter of her

mother pass. i would lie in front of God for my mom. I give her a pass for being a daughter.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. It's clear they are working to juice up Clinton's claims of experience. "Underfire" sounded

too good to pass up.

So they just went with it.

[Bigleaf]

7. Well they were obviously hypnotized together while on the plane ride over there.

:sarcasm:

[TwilightGardener]

9. Just saw on Gregory's show that the Clinton campaign is still trying

to prove Hillary's version of Sniper-Gate--WTF? Are they IDIOTS? Let it GO, for God's sake! Don't remind people of it!

[C_U_L8R]

11. Such liars these Clintons be

Of course they can't let it go,
it's the sad pathology of the big lie.

And it will destroy them.

[Whisp]

13. o jeeze, hope there's a you tube on that.

gotta shake your head.

[WolverineDG]

16. SSHHHHH!!

They have to use those shovels they bought in Iowa for something!

Keep digging, Hillary. Keep digging!

dg

[Buzz Clik]

32. "Deny. Deny. Deny."

[Voice for Peace]

37. But there IS proof she wasn't lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

[tekisui]

10. I have heard gunshots feet outside my window, literally feet away.

Three kids were shot--one in the arm, one in the leg and one in the head. The 12 year old shot in the head is now a paraplegic and the 14 year old shooter will spend probably 20 years in jail.

My wife was traumatized and couldn't sleep for a week. Everyday I drove home for the better part of two months, I realized I was entering a crime scene. Close shootings are terrifying, and not something easily forgotten, or easily invented through false memory.

They lied to appear tough. And that is disturbing. I hope it continues to sink Hillary in the polls.

[krawhitham]

14. one lies, the other swears to it

Clintons are their best

[DearAbby]

15. This question should be sent to the media

I would sure like to know the answer to it...wouldn't you?

[Whisp]

31. this is how I see it ...

most likely Hillary just drummed this out of thin air on her own. She doens't seem to be much a deep thinker on consequences.
So before the vid proof came out and after the 3 time story Chelsea did go along with the story - not full out agreeing to the specifics, but certainly not denying the whole sham - which she could never do.

Now, what I would like is to have someone ask Chelsea about this now and see what her reaction is. How is it that both your Mother and youself imagined the same story?

ouch.

[bunnies]

17. sleep deprivation? nt

[Catherina]

19. If true, I'm very disappointed in Chelsea

Did she really corraborate the lie?

It looks like that vast Right-Wing conspiracy is just Clintons conspiring to lie over and over again.

[DearAbby]

20. Kicking this

[LaurenG]

21. They are really super secret undercover people

and they really went to Bosnia when it was under heavy fire. The film you have been seeing is a photo op only, it was made for the tourist trade. They made it after all the snipers were arrested... no really, because we all know the Clinton's NEVER lie, ever, about anything, really.

:sarcasm: just in case

[SwampG8r]

71. this is true

about the photo op part
if you look in the background you can see stuff left over from when they faked the moon landing

[MrSlayer]

22. Because she is as full of shit as her mother and father?

Not a whole lot of honesty there. Less than the average politician.

[redqueen]

38. "Less than the average politician."

Ouch.

[JayFredMuggs]

51. There is no "average" politician

When it comes to Hillary Rodham Clintion, she is the MOST FULL OF it!

[DeadElephant_ORG]

23. excellent question. I don't think they "scripted" it. Chelsea heard Mom say it, so she repeated it.

[mrJJ]

24. A Family Trait

"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again," he said with a clenched jaw and stern expression that day. "I did not have sexual

relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false."

A Clinton Family Trait

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

[Raine]

25. Someone needs to ask Chelsea about this

instead of Monica.

[Buzz Clik]

29. "It's none of your business" ... either way.

Is one's association with the truth -- or lack of it -- genetic?

[JayFredMuggs]

53. Is honesty, (or lack of it) INHERITED?

[Buzz Clik]

58. Well, JayFred, I think you and I are asking the same question.

[Buzz Clik]

28. Sniper fire nearby, and they put the First Lady and the President's only child out on the tarmac? No

Clinton would seem them into harms way? And the military would then pull the stunt of having them dash around with bullets whizzing by?

No.

[dchill]

41. And heads would have rolled...

and the media would STILL be talking about it. Stupid.

[JTFrog]

30. This was obviously a practiced talking point. Written down and rehearsed no less. n/t

[DearAbby]

33. Someone should get this to KO

this needs exposure. The more I think about it, the more this needs to come out. HRC Planned this lie, to pad her resume. This totally reeks.

[Whisp]

36. first I'd like to find that you tube of Chelsea when she was asked.

and exactly what her respond was. I can't recall what she said exactly (this was Before the real footage appeared) but it definitely was a support comment and iirc at the end of the clip she said how very honored she was to be there.

rats but this computer of mine can't handle vid like that.
It shouldn't be too hard to find just by you tube search.

[DearAbby]

39. I am on the prehistoric

'puter right now, I would have to kick the hamster cage into 'ramming speed' to get any video to play on it.

[City Lights]

44. This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFHVVGKxyAA

[Whisp]

49. lol. can't see it, have to be on the other comp and it's occupied.

she was asked, on a College stump, about Bosnia before the news vids came out - and she did answer in a supportive way to mom.
Is that pretty well the way this vid goes?

[City Lights]

52. Yup. She starts out saying they were well protected by the US military

and the Secret Service and when specifically asked about sniper fire goes on to say:

"Well sir, I think that my mother’s on record as having talked about this and I support what she said. I mean, I was there as well and I’m so honored that I was there."

[Whisp]

56. ugh. it's worse than I remembered, for Chelsea.

and she's still treated like a child, not to be touched by the media but she too, is a big fat liar.

ugh. I guess she had no choice but to go along, but couldn't she have weaseled better so it doesn't look so bad for her looking back?

liars, the whole family are liars!

[Lucky 13]

66. GAG.

Ugh. I can't believe that. Chelsea! WHY?!?!

Why would Hillary put her in a position to lie like that???

[Voice for Peace]

34. Family values? nt

[DearAbby]

35. Kick

[City Lights]

40. She learned from the masters.

Considering that this crew said, "It's not illegal unless they tell you." Going with, "It's not a lie unless there's video" is child's play.

[dchill]

43. Come on... This REQUIRES a link.

Otherwise it's crap.

[Blarch]

46. No shit.

WTF ?

[Whisp]

57. see post #44 - link there. my computer can't do you tube.

my OP was from memory only, which is a hellavu lot better than the clintons, it seems.

[Raine]

59. The link is on post 44 nt

[McCamy Taylor]

45. The conventional wisdom is often neither conventional nor wise.

"I think it has to be accepted that this was a plotted, scripted, agreed upon lie by at least Hillary and Chelsea, and probably Penn."

I predicted last week that Hillary's poll numbers would rise this week if the Obama camp and the news media continued to hound her on this bizarre paranoid fantasy. The average American voter is smarter than that. They know that no one sits around and thinks up lies like these. And they do not like to have their intelligence insulted and they especially do not like to see Hillary attacked by the same press that called "Gore a liar" just 8 years ago.

Obama's supposedly brilliant campaign manager Axelrod is supposed to be steering him to victory, but all I see him doing is encouraging him to make the same mistakes time and again. Attacks on Hillary, her experience, her character, her truthfulness strike voters as too much like the Starr Investigation. The only thing that has helped Obama in recent weeks in Fox's attack on him. Everything else that Axelrod has done has hurt him.

Obama needs to dump his Chicago campaign manager and find someone who understand how all of America thinks. It is not Hillary's fault that Obama can not pull off a decisive victory. It is Obama's own fault----and Axelrod is most of the problem. He pisses off the kind of people who support Hillary with his divisive campaigning.

[Life Long Dem]

47. Short life?

Well, maybe you should go on the damage something actually does to one and less what CNN pushes.

From the first day this came out MSM tried to sweep it under the rug. And the latest one was their best effort to rid this. They pulled out the shop vac and put away the broom on this one to sweep it under the rug. But the people saw the lie for what it was. You can remember something wrong (a sniper attack). But you can't remember an event wrong (a sniper attack) if it never happened.

[mod mom]

48. It sure show her character.

[Hieronymus]

50. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[JayFredMuggs]

54. LIAR, LIAR, your daughter's pants are on fire!

From the bombing and sniper fire at the airbase.

Oh, and your daughter is a LIAR, too!

[BlueIdaho]

60. I'm sorry

you are not allowed to talk to her about that either.

[Whisp]

61. maybe she's really The Celestial one?

and for the Don't Talk Shit about Chelsea, this is a LIE of hers, just like mama and papa. Sure, she was put in a tight spot and was beholden to protect mamabear, but can you believe everything she says now? I can't. Even though she is the pure one, the untouchable, I can't anymore.

[madrchsod]

62. who cares what chelsea remembers...jeez....

silliest post today....

[Whisp]

64. are you then discounting Everything she (mis)remembers, or

just the stuff you don't like?

I don't think this is silly at all, it proves that Chelsea was a part of the lie. that whopper of a lie.

[Whisp]

63. hmm, maybe this should be sent to KO. but would he touch it?

this is sacred territory.

[DearAbby]

65. Kick

[Whisp]

68. kick

[IndianaGreen]

70. Why was Chelsea complicit in her mother's lies about Bosnia? That's the question!

Why didn't Chelsea correct her beloved mother? The answer is simple: the Clintons are congenital liars and Chelsea carries the same gene that made her mother lie about Bosnia, Irish peace talks, NAFTA, and made her father utter the infamous words about not having sex with Monica.

[Cha]

72. There's no way hilary should be allowed to

go on sreading her germy lies while the m$$$m is covering up her BosnianSniper Dodger LIE..allowing her to spew hilary garbage about Reverend Wright.

Poor chelsea didn't stand a chance with two world class liars like those two as parents.

[Bonobo]

73. Her little "selective outrage response" is getting old.

"Sir, respectfully... I , umm, I think my mother already responded to that."

So then GTF off the stage then why don't you?

[McCamy Taylor]

74. No one bother to consider the possibility that both of them remember the same thing....

...because it could have happened like this.

I clutch my mom's hand as we come in for a landing over Tuzla. The commander's words echo in my head. Mom is wearing her It's gonna be fine, honey expression, but I know that inside she's a nervous wreck. Behind us, the guys are all sitting on their body armor. I think about the scene in Apocalypse Now when the soldier tells the other guy to sit on his helmet and I wonder why we aren't sitting on our body armor, too. I don't want to get shot there . The captain is telling us something, but I can barely hear him over the pounding of my heart. What was it we were supposed to do? Keep our heads down and run for cover? But how will we know which way to run?

My ears pop. Mom is looking at me. I try to smile. She smiles back. She is sitting there, looking calm and relaxed. For my sake. If you didn't know her, you wouldn't guess how hard she is trying. I have to try, too. We are going to make it. We are here to help the people of Bosnia. To show the world that everything is alright here. We are winning the war We can't get hurt. We can't show that we are afraid. We have to be calm.

Oh God, we are on the ground. They are opening the doors. There are people outside. What was that noise? Was that gunfire? I reach for Mom. She grabs my hand, pulls me close. Huddling close to her, I creep out of the plane. My heart is pounding so loudly that I can hardly hear anything above the roar. So many faces. Flashing lights. Gunshots? No, cameras. We are safe. Everything is fine.

[Whisp]

75. o good grief. did Hillary email that to you?

and what kind of sick husband and father would send his family into this stressful and life threatening situation.

oiy yoi yoi. I feel embarrassed for Hillary supporters on this one - it is one there is no practical explanation and defense for.
Why do you allow her to continue making you cringe like this?

[Unsane]

77. It's really none of your business.

[Whisp]

78. seems like a bunch of stuff isn't our business according to the Clintons.

tax returns, library donar list, that BCCI thing, pardons, lieing about NAFTA, Telecom, Glass-Steagel, etc etc etc.

NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
IT'S 'OUR' BUSINESS so push off.

[Whisp]

79. kick

[CreekDog]

80. That's none of your business

:rofl: