Obama supporters: Get a clue

[Clintonista2]

McClurkin = Given a stage by Obama, which he used to spout anti-gay shit.

Does Hillary know anti-gay people? Sure. Has she been endorsed by any? Certainly. Has she given any of them a platform from which to spout their homophobic comments? Nope.

Until she does, stop trying to draw pathetic comparisons between the two. Thanks.

[anonymous171]

1. Hillary attended a fundraiser by a racist sherrif.

[Clintonista2]

3. Anybody who doesnt support Obama is "racist" by your standards

Therefore, I'm sure in your mind she has.

[anonymous171]

13. She has. Here's a link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin

Here's the sheriff's wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lee

[DemVet]

45. Hmmm....with the Rev. Wright fiasco behind us, I thought racial remarks were no big deal?

At least that's what the Oba-maniacs keep telling us.

[anonymous171]

46. BUT SHE GAVE HIM AND HIS VIEW RESPECTABILITY BY ATTENDING THAT!

Obama wasn't in attendance when McClurkin gave his concert.

[americanstranger]

15. Yeah, the guy who kept blacks from leaving NOLA

after Katrina.

She hasn't disavowed him, either. Why not?

She should reject an denounce him, I think.

- as

[cbayer]

35. Actually they kept everyone, regardles of race, from leaving via that bridge.

It was despicable and I will not make excuses for Harry Lee, but there was tremendous fear over what was happening on the other side of the bridge. Many people made decisions at that time which, in retrospect, were wrong and were based on panic.

[BeyondGeography]

2. I was just getting a little nostalgiac for a McClurkin thread

Thanks, Lirwie.

[MadBadger]

4. Ahhh, the good ole days. BTW, whatever happened to the No Apology Thread?

I miss it :-(

[John Q. Citizen]

12. I thought the highpoint was the 'Handshake Snub' threads. Does no one remember history?

[MadBadger]

17. No, the highpoint was Obama is Pro-Reagan

That's when I completely lost it and went apeshit on DU.

[John Q. Citizen]

47. Obama's remarks contrasting the fundamental change wrought by different

administrations was important to both campaigns.

It was a direct attack on the Hill message of experience and the ability to get things done. So the Hill campaign had to respond, and they did so by trying to twist the historical observations into some kind of endorsement. That way people wouldn't consider the original analysis. So I don't much blame Hill for that. She needed to do something.

No it was the Handshake-snub that was so completely manufactured out of thin air, and came conveniently on the day after Kennedy endorsed, that I found to be a particular good example of hype.

While occasionally a Hill supporter might still mention Reagan in some contexts designed to throw doubt on Obama, I haven't seen one Hill supporter mention the handshake for a long long time.

And that's why it reigns supreme. It was here in all it's intensity for a day or two and then boom! Gone for good. It's usefulness expended.

It's in a way kind of illustrative of the whole Clinton campaign. A very expensive smoke and mirrors operation that is only marginally effective at best. The Clinton campaign has bounced around on a few themes, but they all seem kind of disjointed and contrived. We had the initial theme of "Inevitability," we've had "It's owed to Hill, for her and women everywhere," we've had "Experienced" we've had "White people don't vote for black men" we've had "Obama is all talk" we've had, "The process is unfair to Hillary" we've had "The media is unfair to Hillary," and none of these messages has resonated with a majority of the Democrats in the country. But none has resonated less so than the handshake that didn't happen.

[Kittycat]

29. Sniper fire killed it.

[Clintonista2]

6. Yet Obama supporters can't seem to get the basic concept into their brains

Every time they find out that Hillary has even spoken to anyone anti-gay, they try to claim it as her "mcclurkin moment"

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[ProSense]

5. Has Hillary given any of them a $10,000 consulting contract

Yes

Speaking of get a clue, where's your mirror?


Oh, and then there is this guy.

[cali]

7. Grab a clue Lirwit

Hilly is sucking up to the worst of the worst. You want to defend it, do so. Pathetic that you have to go back to McClurkin to try and deflect, and it ain't gonna work.

[madfloridian]

8. You know what?

Fair is fair. What a person does behind the scenes while mouthing one thing publicly does matter. Here is the stance of Bill Clinton in 2003. From a book I have.

"It remains to be seen, too, just how much my support for the civil unions bill will hurt my chances to reshape Democratic politics. Some pretty important Democrats have shown they think it might. When former president Clinton was trying to drum up support for Wes Clark, just prior to Clark's entry into the presidential race a year ago, he called a friend in a large city and said "I need you to be for Wes Clark." The friend demurred. Clinton said, "Look, I'm from Arkansas, and Wes is from Arkansas, we need to be for Wes. "

The friend told Clinton he was Dean supporter. "Howard Dean", Clinton said "forfeited his right to run for president when he signed the civil unions bill. He can't win."

It was a rare mistake for the president. The supporter was gay and called us to tip us off.

Page 113 You Have the Power by Howard Dean, Fall 2004.

[GodlessBiker]

9. Okay. Colonel Mustard in the billiard room with the candle stick.

[Life Long Dem]

10. "The trend is not her friend!"

Tucker Carlson deserves credit for this. Referring to the polls and Hillary. I loved that one!

[WillyT]

11. Wow...

:shrug:

[blogslut]

14. She prays with homophobes

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

News: For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?

<snip>

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

<snip>

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

<snip>

Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

[Clintonista2]

26. PERFECT EXAMPLE blogslut, thank you for posting!

Did Hillary give these people a stage during her campaign? Nope. Go back and read my OP, thanks!

[blogslut]

30. I read it

I've read it about a thousand times.

One concert. One Gospel singer. One time. And Barack Obama wasn't even there.

Did you know that Obama booked Andy Sidden too?

http://www.gogucc.com/infopastor.htm

[anonymous171]

31. Donnie McClurkin is a gospel singer.

He just happens to be an "ex-gay" (stupid, I know.) Search his name on youtube. The first thing you get is lots of gospel videos.

[Clintonista2]

33. Donnie McClurkin was given a stage during an Obama event, which he used to attack gays

To my knowledge, Hillary has never given a rabid homophobe a stage.

[blm]

40. She gave them her commitment of mission with them for the last 15 years.

But you can keep pretending that is OK, that somehow McClurkin has had far more power over gay issues than any of those in Hillary's 15 year weekly group meetings of RW religious POWERMONGERS in DC.

[sasquatch]

16. Listen any canidate, in this current political period, couldn't win if they're percieved-

as giving "special rights" to gays lesbians. It will take some dialogue and convincing for us to get there.

[cbayer]

38. How about we just start with equal rights then.

I don't think anyone is asking for special rights. I wish they would both take a more pro-active stance on this issue.

[sasquatch]

48. That means we need to convince people, especially in the African American community,-

that these are equal rights not "special rights" as it has been termed.

[Tribetime]

19. I have a video response

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwyrGwM4a7M&feature=related

[stellanoir]

20. she doesn't pay her bills.

[mudesi]

21. Hey Lirwin2....

...Learn to add and subtract. Obama has won the nomination.

[Johnny__Motown]

22. Isolated event.... not like telling the Bosnia story 3-4 times and not giving it up till video

surfaced

[Bluebear]

28. "Isolated event" catering to homophobia versus a "story"

Clear what matters to you.

[gateley]

23. Tired old Obama - have to recycle the outrages,

whereas vibrant, lively Hillary keeps bringing us new and exciting additions weekly!

[JuniperLea]

24. This is flame bait...

And it's every bit as bad as the stuff I've seen posted by the Obama crowd.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. Your post has changed my life.

[Dawgs]

27. But, Obama NEVER gave McClurkin 'platform form which to spout' homophobia.

He gave him a stage to sing christian songs.

So, you're lying.

[Patchuli]

32. LET THIS ^$&# SINK nt

[Mike03]

34. Obama has some frailties and areas where he deserves to be

questioned, but that "anti-gay" charge is a pathetic barrel of horse shit.

[bunnies]

36. That Obama logo is a fucking riot.

I may have to borrow it. :rofl:

[Mike03]

37. Whatever. Homosexuals should vote for Clinton if they feel this strongly about the McClurkin

fiasco, rather than viewing it in its proper persective, as a tempest in a teapot.

And if Obama is the nominee, you go ahead and vote for McCain.

[JayFredMuggs]

41. no self-respecting gay person

Thinks their vote for or against Obama should be based upon one incident in a campaign, well, gay people, I guess, can be as stupid as straight people, if that's so.

Now, just what is Hillary's position on gay marriage? Oh yes, she would "leave it up to the states" to make that decision......in other words, she doesn't want to go on the record, whereas Obama says ALL Americans, regardless of sexual orientation, deserve ALL the same rights, not something to be decided state by state. Remember slavery?

[Mike03]

43. But Constitutionally, it IS a state issue.

I have my personal issues too that are not addressed by the candidates, but I am going to live with that and vote the best way I can.

[Forkboy]

39. Tell jlake I send my regards.

[trof]

42. I think it was Col. Mustard in the billiard room with the candlestick.

But it might have been the rope.

[grassfed]

44. Clinton: Brown kids are SOL

Hillary: "NO!" on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Amendment rejected.

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