An Obama supporter suggested that I learn how to "add and subtract," and then it dawned upon me...

[Clintonista2]

Is it possible that Obama supporters on DU are so over-confident, simply because they can't add and subtract? Let's play a little math game, and see how you guys do!


Barrie has 1,626 pennies

In order to win the game, Barrie needs 2,025 shiny pennies. 2,025 subtract 1,626 equals 399. Therefore, Barrie is 399 pennies short of winning the game!

Let's try another one.

Barrie has 1,626 apples
In order to win the game, Barrie needs 2,025 tasty apples. 2,025 subtract 1,626 equals 399. Therefore, Barrie is 399 apples short of winning the game!



You guys catching on yet?

[gateley]

1. Stop fucking with his name -- it's BarrY. Sheesh. Hillarie. nt

[Clintonista2]

3. Who's Barry?

The brother of my fictional Barrie?

[DemVet]

9. Yeah, that's what I thought....BARRY.

Excellent thread.

[blogslut]

2. Yes, I have caught on

You are full of it. Enjoy your hatefest.

[sueragingroz]

5. counting = hate?

wow that's a new one on me.

[DemVet]

15. Hate? Why is it hate?

Because he DARED go against the goodwill of "Saint Obama and the Oba-maniacs?"

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[DemVet]

10. Why? Reality is a bitch, isn't it?

[ProSense]

12. How's Hillary's reality doing? n/t

[DemVet]

18. Pretty good.

She's kicking Barry's ass in the polls in PA and it looks like she's going to prevent Barry from getting 2025 shiny pennies before the convention. Then we'll throw a bunch of those shiny pennies in the air and see who gets the prize.

[thunder rising]

21. The one with the coat tails! (you know, for all those down ticket races)

[ProSense]

25. Really?

Click me for a clue

[Zhade]

26. She's losing. Keep dreaming!

NT!

[olkaz]

30. Oh lord, the delusion runs mighty deep.

Thank the lord that the majority of Hillary supporters are seeing the light.

The stragglers will serve as fantastic entertainment in the meantime.

[sueragingroz]

37. nice sexist avvie btw

[anonymous171]

6. What about the super apples?

What about the apples from MI and FL that Hillarie and Barrie agreed not to use in their contest?

[cali]

7. Let's see you put hillypoo's numbers up there, lirwit

she needs more shiny pennies than Barry and more shiny apples, genius. She's pretty screwed, dear.

[Clintonista2]

11. Hey Cali!

When was the last time I claimed that "the numbers prove Hillary has already won"?

[Joe the Revelator]

61. What the numbers actually prove is that there is no way that Hillary can win.

[DemVet]

Screwed? Hardly.

You see, if she prevents Barry from getting his 2025 shiny pennies, we get to throw a bunch of those shiny pennies up in the air at the Convention and see who comes out the winner.

[rodeodance]

58. Barry needs less gutter balls

[Joe the Revelator]

62. Look at the puppy jumping on another bandwagon

If you go back on strike (permanently) I'll won't say another ill word about Hillary.

[JuniperLea]

66. How is it you are allowed to call names and condescend...

Day after day after day? Over and over and over again?

Name calling is against DU rules. I thought that was well known.

[ProSense]

8. Let's try this math problem

Hillary = loser

That's called an equation!

[DemVet]

13. All equations need a proof....and you don't have the proof.

[ProSense]

20. Really?

This was a couple of weeks ago:

Summary of tables (recalculated with new delegate counts) show Obama's delegate lead in every scenario:

Total Delegates: 4048 ** W/o FL & MI - Current Status ** Needed: 2024.5
Pledged Delegates Obama 1415, Clinton 1245
Superdelegates Obama 213, Clinton 248

Total Delegates: 4415 ** With FL & MI included - Results upheld** Needed: 2208
Pledged Delegates Obama 1482, Clinton 1423
Superdelegates Obama 218, Clinton 263

Total Delegates:4415 ** With FL & MI (Obama gets MI 55) ** Needed: 2208
Pledged Delegates Obama 1537, Clinton 1423
Superdelegates Obama 218, Clinton 263

Total Delegates: 4415 ** With MI & FL 50/50 ** Needed: 2208
Pledged Delegates Obama 1565, Clinton 1395
Superdelegates Obama 218, Clinton 263

Total Delegates: 4309.5 ** MI 50/50 FL 1/2 Vote ** Needed: 2155
Pledged Delegates Obama 1415, Clinton 1245
Superdelegates Obama 213, Clinton 248

Total Delegates: 4415 ** FL & MI will Re-Vote ** Needed: 2208
Pledged Delegates Obama 1415, Clinton 1245
Superdelegates Obama 218, Clinton 263

Source: Total and needed delegates

Popular Vote Total
13,281,132 (49.5%)
12,577,409 (46.9%)
Obama +703,523 (+2.6%)

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*
13,615,217 49.5%
12,801,470 46.6%
Obama +813,747 (+2.9%)

Popular Vote (w/FL)
13,857,346 (48.5%)
13,448,395 (47.1%)
Obama +408,951 (+1.4%)

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*
14,191,431 (48.5%)
13,672,256 46.8%
Obama +519,175 (+1.8%)

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**
13,857,346 (47.5%)
13,776,704 (47.3%)
Obama +80,642 (+0.2%)

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*
14,191,431 (47.6%)
14,000,565 (46.9%)
Obama +190,866 (+0.6)

It's gotten a lot worse since then

Reality, Obama ahead even with Florida and MI:

Actual Popular Vote Total
Obama 13,355,437 (+717,262)
Hillary 12,638,175

FL
Obama 576,214
Hillary 870,986
Total votes 1,447,200

Popular Vote (w/FL)
Obama 13,931,651 (+422,490)
Hillary 13,509,161

MI
Clinton 328,151
Uncommitted 237,762

Popular Vote (w/FL and MI)
Obama 13,931,651 (+94,181)
Clinton 13,837,470

Let's say Obama got the uncommitted MI votes

Popular Vote (w/FL and MI)
Obama 14,169,413 (+331,943)
Clinton 13,837,258

In these scenarios Obama is clearly ahead, even with no MI votes going to him.

Assuming a revote of MI and FL in which Hillary gets 58% of the MI and 60% of the FL vote as indicated above, Obama would still be ahead. The reality is that Hillary would probably lose ground in a revote.

What's even worse for Hillary is that there is no realistic scenario in which she could regain the pledged delegate lead.


Hillary can't win

[DemVet]

28. Hillary can't win? Maybe, but......Obama CAN'T EITHER!!!!

The convention should be fun to watch.

By then, Hillary MAY have the lead in the popular vote (which currently means NOTHING).

Who do you think the SD's will vote for then?

[ProSense]

36. Obama is winning and will win. Hillary is losing and will lose.

Two people in a race (in a boxing match) one falls flat on her face (gets knocked down and can't get up) the other person wins.

That's the way it goes. Deal with it.

[DemVet]

40. Ooooh, I think you're getting testy. Are you pissed off?

Are you mad that your applecart may get upset?

[ProSense]

45. Isn't it nice to pretend that you are the tough taunting bully? Get a clue: Hillary is losing! n/t

[DemVet]

47. Losing? Maybe. LOST? Nope.

Maybe Barry will get his feelings hurt at the convention. We'll see.

[ProSense]

63. Hillary will be out of the race long before the convention.

I wonder who will tell her? She doesn't appear to accept reality well

[DemGa]

14. But Barrie scores highly in states he can't otherwise win

Clearly then, he is the more viable candidate, right?

[Clintonista2]

17. Yes, Barrie wins dirty pennies

Pennies that will turn red in November. Clearly, he is more viable :eyes:

[illumn8d]

32. So blue pennies are worth more than red pennies?

That strategy worked really well...

[Life Long Dem]

16. No matter how you splice it.

[tishaLA]

23. Hey 9.9% is also math!

It means that out of 100 pennies, Hillie has even fewer than 10 pennies chance of winning! And Barack has more than 90 pennies chance of winning! Poor Hillie!

[ShaneGR]

19. The problem is the longerm math, not the shortterm..... HRC has 1499 delegates

So she needs 526 Delegates to win. if you do the math, she would need to carry somewhere around a 60-40 total in all of the remaining states, and even then she would need to steal Superdelegates away from Obama (This is based on the already committed numbers.)So the only way for her to win would be to literally destroy Obama. The problem with that strategy is the only way for HRC to pull that off would be to completely alienate the one group of Americans the Clinton's always touted as their strongest base of support. Black America. Heck, Bill Clinton's Presidential office is in HARLEM.

This is why I think the ticket should be Obama-Clinton.

[olkaz]

22. This is hilarious! Great post!

You are going to be comedy gold during her concession speech!

[Zhade]

31. I can't WAIT for that night.

Oh yes. It will be sweet when they finally leave this place.

[DemVet]

34. They? Leave?

What in the hell do you mean?

[TheDoorbellRang]

24. Very good, Lirry!

Very good! You add and subtract quite correctly! :applause:

By next year you'll be ready for the multiplication tables, and if you do well with those, we'll teach you how to figure percentage!

[NDambi]

27. Forget pennies..what Hilda really wants....

[DemVet]

Hilda....great term. I wonder which "Enemy" board you stole that from?

[NDambi]

38. I made it up...I won't post the "beast " part with it today..lol

[bunnies]

29. Peek-a-BOOOO!

Damn I just love that logo.

[Blarch]

33. Obama will have 2025 apples ...

including the super apples.

Don't worry mate, Hillary has lost, and is a loser.

[DemVet]

39. And they wonder why....

...the polls say almost a quarter of all HRC supporters WILL NOT support Barry if he is the Nominee.

I don't support that position, but I can understand it with nimrods calling a respected member of the Democratic Party such foul names as "loser."

[illumn8d]

41. Well I can agree with you on that

I really hate calling anybody names, even people I disagree with, even if they are nimrods.

[illumn8d]

43. Duplicate post

nothing to see here...

[walldude]

35. Yes that's why I'm "overconfident"

Because I can't add... What's your excuse? Head up ass? :rofl:

[Skip Intro]

42. LOVE that sig pic. ROFL!!!

:rofl:

Excellent!

[Clintonista2]

51. LOL

thanks.

[Willo]

44. What do Hillary's supports want her to do since neither she nor he

can get to that magic number.
Yet she can't catch him in all of the other categories. (Even with FL and MI are counted, as is)?

[DemVet]

48. It'll come down to what is currently termed "unthinkable."

The superdelegates will decide the issue.

Hillary just MAY have the lead with the popular vote then and could make a pretty strong case to be the Nominee.

[Willo]

50. And what is that "strong case"? n/t

[NDambi]

65. Yeah ruin the Dem party for decades to come all for Hillary...

[rodeodance]

59. its called DENVER

[Usrename]

46. Oh good! Arithmetic! He's outperformed her by a ratio of about 2-to-1

In the states Clinton has won, she has gained about 176 pledged delegates.

In the states Obama has won, he has gained about 345 pledged delegates.

He's twice as good as her.

[gcomeau]

49. What a perfect illustration....

...of what I was talking about here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5346335

[maddiejoan]

52. kickadoodledoo!

[TK421]

53. But....but Barrie already HAS 2025 pennies! Didn't you know?

:eyes: Oh....I guess you didn't get that memo



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: great post!


just like the nomination!

[rodeodance]

54. ha ha ha . good one

[Willo]

55. Super Delegates will consider this

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105904/Dems-Reps-Agree-Obama-Tougher-Opponent-McCain.aspx

[kid a]

56. would you please give a few of those pennies and apples to the vendors Clinton has stiffed..

[TK421]

57. Hey, he's even got the pennies all wrapped up!!!

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

60. This is amazingly studid. So amazingly stupid.

Hilliary can't ever catch "Barrie" in pennies or apples.






In Baseball, if the visiting team can't take the lead by the top of the 9th, then the home team doesn't have to play the bottom of the 9th. Once one team can no longer take the lead, the game is over.

[laugle]

64. That's cute, some people have no sense of humor anymore!

pennies/apples do not = hate.........

[NoPasaran]

67. kickity!

:dem:

[Taxmyth]

68. Got to love the math

Which candidate can get other Party candidates elected and also win the Electoral College? That's who will get those nice shiny pennies!

[Teaser]

69. Why do you use that shit-eating grin picture of HRC

inside the Obama logo?

Seriously, it makes her look like a circus clown. It makes you seem like a parody troll.

There has got to be better picture.

[LostinVA]

73. I thought it was funny and I'm not a troll

[emilyg]

70. Kick

[anamandujano]

71. And a hahaha, and a kick!

[Hugabear]

72. And how many pennies does Hillary have?

I think you forgot to put that in your post.

[Clintonista2]

74. Hillary supporters dont need a math lesson

Since they aren't the ones claiming victory.

[PseudoIntellect]

75. Actually some Hillary supporters do need math lessons.

There is more than just addition and subtraction. There are percentages and probability. Obama has a bigger lead now than ever before. (136 according to RCP) While it may be called a "tie" from a wishful, fuzzy-math perspective, due to proportional allocation of delegates, it's nearly insurmountable. If you can think of any reasonable way for Clinton to win the primaries, I'd like to see it.

[wileedog]

76. Tough to do that when you are getting your ass kicked.

Just sayin

[Sean Stuart]

77. Are you dumbing this down for us or for you?

In addition to simple math, let's proceed to the next chapter. Count the number of remaining delegates and figure out how big Hillary needs to win in each state in order to get more "shiny pennies" than Obama. Then you can repost and sound smarter than you do now.