Obama's State Senate Tricks not appreciated in the US Senate

[GoldieAZ49]

Taking credit for others work in the senate was how Obama got his •impressive• record in his last year, doesn't set well with his fellow Senators in the US Senate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706_2.html?nav=rss_politics&sid=ST2008032401106

As the half-dozen senators -- including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: "Hey, guys, can I come along?" And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate -- a list that included himself.

"I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out," he said.

To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them. But in a presidential contest involving three sitting senators, embellishment of legislative records may be an inevitability, Specter said with a shrug."

Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said. At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill's employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.

"Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed," Specter recalled. "He didn't stay long."

On March 13, Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, unveiled legislative proposals to allow the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee new loans from banks willing to help homeowners in or approaching foreclosure. Obama and Clinton were in Washington for a day-long round of budget voting, but neither appeared at the housing news conference.

Yet Obama on Monday appeared to seek top billing on Dodd's proposal.

"At this moment, we must come together and act to address the housing crisis that set this downturn in motion and continues to eat away at the public's confidence in the market," Obama said. "We should pass the legislation I put forward with my colleague Chris Dodd to create meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages so that Americans facing foreclosure can keep their homes."

Dodd did say that Obama supported the bill, as does Clinton. But he could not offer pride of authorship to the candidate he wants to see in the White House next year.

"I've talked to him about it at some length," Dodd said. "When Senator Obama was there for that full day of voting, we had long conversations about it. He had excellent questions and decided to support it."

What a scam artist! Notice, please, that McCain has been involved in all the bipartisan bills, I am sure he, or his campaign, will point out Obama's part.

Come to think of it, those dem Senators involved with the bills and that witnessed Obama's behavior are super delegates...huh.

Article also mentions Clinton's interactions.

edit to fix format

[DemVet]

1. Taking credit for others work....who would have thought?

Barry the Achiever. :eyes:

[barb162]

90. Pinnochio Obama

He needs another cord of wood for that nose growing

[anonymous171]

2. WOAH! AND Clinton voted for the War. Then she voted against banning cluster bombs,

Then she voted for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment. NOTHING you say can take away those facts.

And fuck McCain and those who vote for him. Seriously, fuck them.

[rodeodance]

5. Stay focused on the OP and please stop with the Disrupting!

[GoldieAZ49]

39. welcome back!

good to see the sane members, or at least some of them, return

[goldcanyonaz]

8. He was to busy campaigning to show up for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment. Not even a "Present"

[anonymous171]

30. Better than a fucking YES.

[Cant trust em]

38. I think you'll be hearing the sound of crickets now. NT

[leftynyc]

47. It was cowardly

Not the mark of a leader.

[GoldieAZ49]

56. no it isn't

making a decision instead of ducking them is never better.

If a person doesn't make mistakes they are not doing their job, no one is perfect

not doing you job does not make you right, especially when done for political cover

[LWolf]

45. Which simply supports what I've said all along:

neither of them are worthy candidates.

[amandabeech]

95. We need an FDR, and what to we get.

A young guy who's fairly inexperienced and the wife of a former President who has oodles of baggage.

Can't we do a little better than this?

[LWolf]

118. We can do a lot better.

Voters themselves passed up some better potential candidates to focus on these two. What does it take? I don't know.

[amandabeech]

123. If the economy continues to slide, I think that my guy Edwards will look a lot better.

In hindsight.

I liked Biden, too.

Of course, President Gore sitting in the Oval Office would be a pleasing sight as well.

[LWolf]

124. Gore, Edwards, Biden...

I'd be happy with any of them at this point.

[amandabeech]

125. You and me both.

We can only dream.

[depakid]

3. Obama's been campaigning for over a year...

Of course he's not been able to stay on top of his job as a Senator. I take that pretty much as a given- just as it's a given that he's embellishing his record (like any other senator would).

In Obama's case, though it's a little more troublesome, since he hasn't been in the Senate long, and his resume is thin.

[rodeodance]

7. That does not excuse his butting in and taking credit.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. He's starting to believe all his good press. He IS the next Messiah.

[rodeodance]

17. self delusion is the worst kind.

[barb162]

92. So HE thinks. That's a royal sized amount of arrogance he has.

[flowomo]

4. Interesting article. Perhaps Teddy's rebuke straightened him out...

Your characterization of Obama as a "scam artist" is a silly exaggeration, but I hope he learned a lesson from these incidents. He has more than enough assets to be successful -- he doesn't need to do this kind of thing.

[anamandujano]

33. He did that all the time in the state senate and it seems like he did

it to Dodd fairly recently.

[karynnj]

44. Note that this is an anonymous account and it is not what Kennedy said when he endorsed him

You need to look at the fact that, at this point, Obama has more of his peers endorsing him than HRC does - and she had Bill Clinton twisting arms. If his behavior was like that I doubt he would have so many behind him. There is a huge amount of politics in terms of who's name is on things.

[rodeodance]

6. K and R

[DemGa]

9. BO appears little more than a crafty lightweight --- NT

[rodeodance]

11. Slick come to mind

[karynnj]

12. HRC has done this too

Last fall, Feingold introduced one of his many amendments that were designed to link funding the war to following steps that would get us out. He introduced the bill, listing his co-sponsors - not including HRC. Then shortly before the vote, on a day that HRC was not there, he went back to the floor to ask for HRC's name to be included as a co-sponsor.

Later that day, listening to the new, HRC was speaking on the campaign trial that "she and Feingold had tried to tie the funding to an exit plan.....

Not to mention, she "intitiated S-Chip". Kennedy dressed HER down for that one.

[GoldieAZ49]

36. see post 32 nt

[karynnj]

40. That's idiotic - you are saying that because Obama sets a higher bar,

he is to be held to a higher standard - that sounds pretty Roveian - suggesting that we measure everything as a ratio of what you did to standard set - rather than measuring the issue directly.

[northzax]

109. yes, indeed

his whole campaign is based on being a new type of leader. that's the sole attraction. he's past traditional politics, remember? When you portray yourself as the good guy, you are held to a higher standard. c'est la vie.

for instance, someone who lectures on morality who has a mistress is much worse, publically, than someone who has never broached the subject publically having a mistress. It just is.


Hillary Clinton, for instance, is running on experience. which is why something that shows her experience isn't as good as portrayed (like the sniper story) is much more damaging to her than a story about Obama's experience.

[UALRBSofL]

13. OP these are talking points I have heard on the MSM pretty regularly

And I imagine most folks know this by now or at least I hope they do. Anyway, thanks for posting.

[GoldieAZ49]

15. I hope they do, I knew about this in the state senate

didn't know he was still doing it

[ej510]

14. Nice how you left out all Clinton's lies

at the bottom of the article. He has one in the article, she has many. Maybe you shouldn't have posted the article.

[ProSense]

16. More projecting!

Hillary repeated lies about her involvement in creating legislation: Family and Medical Leave Act and S-CHIP or Obama's nuclear bill.

The article in the OP was debunked a week ago.

[GoldieAZ49]

20. Obama Campaign Website debunks negative press!!!! BUY A CLUE!

you O juice drinking followers may hang on Obamas every word, but you are the only ones. That is really lame even for you.

and the S-Chip was covered in the same article posted, but I am sure you have already covered that ad nauseum here.


Your candidate is a fake and is absolutely no better than Hillary and has far less experience.

All his 'legislative experience' was just credit stolen from other senators. Being called an empty suit is a step up for him, deal with it.

[ProSense]

29. Get a grip. This isn't HillHub where half a paraphrased statement passes for fact.

KENNEDY PRAISES OBAMA ON IMMIGRATION

Kennedy Revels in Limelight as He Stumps for Obama



edited typo

[tabasco]

18. Obama has released his Senate earmark requests. WHERE ARE HILLARY'S??

WHAT IS HILLARY HIDING FROM DEMOCRATIC VOTERS??

[madrchsod]

25. here`s some interesting earmark facts

"Presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has secured more earmarks in the fiscal 2008 defense authorization bill than any other Democrat except for panel Chairman Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.)".

"By contrast, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), also a Democratic presidential candidate and Clinton’s rival for the nomination, has only one request in the defense bill".


"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a presidential candidate and the panel’s ranking member, has long opposed pork-barrel projects and has no earmark requests".

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinton-can-boast-wealth-of-earmarks-2007-06-13.html
TheHill.com - Clinton can boast wealth of earmarks


this one caught my eye--she`s has a "pastor" she never mentioned

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200801/POL20080124d.html
Pastor Got $1.5 Million in Clinton Earmarks Before Endorsement -- 01/24/2008


these are just a few that is known

[GoldieAZ49]

26. Why is Obama sending taxpayers money back to Illinois as earmarks?

I am so glad you brought those earmarks up! Let's see what the man that is so concerned about our economy does with taxpayers money:

$18 million has been wasted in 'earmarks' that is pork barrel spending, so far this year. Now Obama's buddy Jones says "some call it pork, I call it steak".
Gotta pay back the man that made him:

I spoke to Jones earlier this week and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama's ability to negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.

So how has Obama repaid Jones?

Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones's Senate district.

Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.

I'll never forget what he said:

"Some call it pork; I call it steak."
http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full

And earmarks are not just for his friends, he isn't going to leave himself out on the cash cow:

One of Obama's Earmark Requests Was for the Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama
Dan Riehl notes, via Amanda Carpenter, that in the list of earmarks he requested, $1 million was requested for the construction of a new hospital pavilion at the University Of Chicago. The request was put in in 2006.

You know who works for the University of Chicago Hospital?

Michelle Obama. She's vice president of community affairs.

As Byron noted, "In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office."

Looks like that raise was worth it.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGRiMWFhNWY4MTgzMjI3NjEzNGQwMWFiMTlhYmRhN2Y=

That 'earmark' enriched his own household income through Michelle!!!

Your tax dollars at work. Ripping off the American taxpayers at every opportunity.

What happened to Obama agreeing to eliminate earmarks for a year to help the nations economy?

Hello? :hi:

[Cant trust em]

19. Senators Kennedy and Dodd were so pissed at Obama that they decided to endorse him

The nerve of that guy.

[GoldieAZ49]

21. This happened after they 'endorsed' him, I bet they didn't think he was going to

take credit for their work as a 'thank you'.

They have not cast their vote ...yet.

[Cant trust em]

24. The excerpt you posted references Kennedy's involvement in the 2007 immigration bill

when he dressed down Obama. He endorsed him in January of this year.

[madrchsod]

22. "Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles"

this article is criticizes both candidates...


nice try but some people actually read a linked article

[GoldieAZ49]

31. Which candidate said: 'Old Politics Just Won't Do'

Can you guess? Thats right OBAMA, Mr. turn the page on old politics. What a friggin joke.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4215588&page=1

Obama: 'Old Politics Just Won't Do'
Democratic Contender Frames Race Against Clinton as 'Past Versus the Future'
Obama argued that the Democratic race is a contest of "the past versus the future," and he challenged Democrats to redefine the way politics is practiced

Obama set himself above Clinton and was going to "redefine the way politics is practiced' so you defending him by saying he is the same as Clinton shows him to be a liar.

You, and he, need to do better than that.

I call Bullshit on him, and anyone that says what he does is ok cuz Clinton does the same thing.

Remember Words Matter.

[redqueen]

43. "Remember Words Matter."

Yep. That's why due to your framing in the OP, people can just assume you're being dishonest anytime they see your name attached to a post.

Words matter.

[GoldieAZ49]

85. I understand your not wanting to defend Obamas actions or words

I won't either

[redqueen]

88. No... I just don't think it's that important.

Will you defend her IWR speech in which she backed up the WH lies about an Al Qaeda link to Iraq?

[GoldieAZ49]

96. I have never defended the Clintons and will not start now

nor will I defend any politician that lies to the public, unfortunately Obama's 'new politics' is just more lying BS and I will not defend him either

[redqueen]

102. So... you will not defend politiicians.

They all 'massage the truth' to one degree or another.

[GoldieAZ49]

104. claiming someone else's work as your own is a "massage of the truth"?

I bet you would like your coworker to get the raise after claiming your work as their own to justify that raise. I bet it would rub you the wrong way.

[redqueen]

107. He got a raise for that? Why be silly?

He claimed that... Hill claimed she faced the threat of sniper fire and never supported NAFTA.

Put those on a scale.

[GoldieAZ49]

111. see post 32 nt

[redqueen]

112. Okaaaaaaay.

*backs out of thread slowly*

[Cant trust em]

23. "Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles" is the article's full title

Here's what the article had to say about the senator from New York.
____________________________________________________________________

During months of SCHIP negotiations in 1997, her name rarely surfaced in news accounts. Clinton never testified before Congress or held a news conference on the bill. When Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), the lead GOP negotiator of the children's health bill, heard reports that Clinton was depicting herself as SCHIP's main advocate, "I had to blink a few times," he said. Hatch said he doesn't recall a single conversation with Clinton about SCHIP, even a mention of her name. "If she was involved, I didn't know about it," he said.

"You know how she says, 'I started SCHIP'? Well, so did I," joked Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), one of the Democrats who pushed the bill across the finish line along with Kennedy. Both have endorsed Obama.

Some Clinton insiders also are uncomfortable with some of her assertions. "I don't really like the way she talks about her role in SCHIP," conceded one former Clinton administration official, who supports the first lady's candidacy, speaking on the condition of anonymity in order to express his views candidly. "She doesn't say it right. What she should say is 'I was the driving force in the administration.' That's pretty big, and it's all true."
_________________________________________________________________________________________

This is terrible. It is unconscionable to only include the negative on Obama and exclude Clinton except for a disclaimer at the bottom. If you can't sway people's opinions with honesty then just shut up.

[Forkboy]

28. Sounds worthy of a thread of it's own.

Watch some of the Hillary supporters whine about an article they just posted. ;)

[GoldieAZ49]

32. Which candidate said: 'Old Politics Just Won't Do'

Can you guess? Thats right OBAMA, Mr. turn the page on old politics. What a friggin joke.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4215588&page=1

Obama: 'Old Politics Just Won't Do'
Democratic Contender Frames Race Against Clinton as 'Past Versus the Future'
Obama argued that the Democratic race is a contest of "the past versus the future," and he challenged Democrats to redefine the way politics is practiced

Obama set himself above Clinton and was going to "redefine the way politics is practiced' so you defending him by saying he is the same as Clinton shows him to be a liar.

You, and he, need to do better than that.

I call Bullshit on him, and anyone that says what he does is ok cuz Clinton does the same thing.

Remember Words Matter.

[Cant trust em]

34. I didn't defend him

I simply said that you are trying to hide the fact that Clinton is doing the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right, as a result, I didn't apologize for Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. I did say that

the article covered Clintons interactions

in the OP

[Cant trust em]

37. I know you did. It seemed like a cheap little throw away disclaimer

The honest thing to do would have been to post the whole title in the subject line and then the body of the article. I'm sure that you know that.

[redqueen]

42. It's just the way some supporters are. Dishonest, just like the RW media

that their candidate is cozying up to.

Not surprising. Not at all.

[GoldieAZ49]

49. suck up that Obama Juice

this isn't an editorial board

but leave it to you juicers to get your panties bunched about a title and not address the content.

symbolism without substance...just like your candidate.

[redqueen]

52. Panties bunched?

That's SEXIST!


... Obama juice. :eyes:

[northzax]

110. sexist? what?

my panties get bunched up all the time

wait, shouldn't have written that in public, huh?

and it's not looking good at the Emirates...

[redqueen]

113. Ah Christ...

It's still 1-1, isn't it?

*worries*

[northzax]

114. yup

y'all got robbed of a pk, I must say. But how's about that fenherbace?

[redqueen]

115. How's about that friggin frickin frick!

GRR!

It seems we're back to the form we were in last year and won't win DICK. The guys seem to have no focus... and I have to wonder if Wenger will bother with any new signings in the off season.

Crap. CRAP!

[northzax]

117. don't worry

with the form Cristiano Ronaldo is in, I would put serious money on a double for them, I just think they're unbeatable right now. Remember the debate about whether fabregas or the pretty one would have a better season? The red devils are scary good, even not being a fan, you just have to sit back and watch the new master's coming out party. In close to fifteen years of serious football watching, he's the best player, in the best form, I have seen. We're talking late nineties ronaldo, or early 2000s van nistelrooy, but from the midfield. And I was a skeptic six months ago. but now that my royals seem to have escaped relegation (knock on wood) I can sit back and enjoy the show.

[redqueen]

119. He's not human.

He's a robot. I swear he is. Nexus Six!

It's not fair having robots on your team! It's just not!

:grr:

[Bake]

116. I guess she coulda said "don't get your jock in a knot."

:rofl:

Bake

[redqueen]

120. Is that a saying?

It's gross!

:P

[Bake]

121. You never heard that one?

Must be a guy thing. I've heard it my whole life.

:rofl:

Bake

[Cant trust em]

64. big game today.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch it or not.

[elixir]

27. Thanks, Goldie. I've heard this before and what a disappointment he has become.

[izzybeans]

41. Why not do the honest thing and give us the title and a balanced view of its contents?

And we are supposed to take it seriously?

[GoldieAZ49]

48. suck up that Obama Juice

this isn't an editorial board

but leave it to you juicers to get your panties bunched about a title and not address the content.

symbolism without substance...just like your candidate.

[izzybeans]

50. Oh how big of you. I ask for honesty and i get self-righteous arrogance.

So mind warped you can't read an entire article without hillary worship.

[GoldieAZ49]

53. ask Obama for honesty instead of trying to steal the credit for others work

he is the one running for office, supposedly turning the page on 'politics of old'

maybe this is his new politics, do nothing, take credit for work that isn't his, get his mug in front of the press and then claim ya didn't know when called on it

just the new kind of politics we need.....NOT

[izzybeans]

54. I asked you for honesty. Clearly you have none.

[GoldieAZ49]

58. more than Obama does

now if I said I wrote the article, and didn't provide a link to the article then you would be right

[izzybeans]

59. About as much as a rightwinger who edits out the substance of story to spin it for their candidate.

It's doubleplusgood for your candidate as well.

[GoldieAZ49]

63. the substance of the article was on Obama stealing credit for others work

I don't have a 'candidate' I only have one other alternative, and not my 1st choice

thanks for playing, you, like Obama, try to change the topic unsuccessfully.

empty rhetoric

[izzybeans]

67. You have serious reading comprehension problems. Or an honesty problem. I can't tell which.

"Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles"

[GoldieAZ49]

68. your judgement is impaired as your choice of presidential material clearly indicates

so your opinion is not worth much

[izzybeans]

69. My judgement is just fine and on point.

How is that operation chaos treating you by the way?

[GoldieAZ49]

78. ????

:wtf:

so much for your judgement, delusional indeed

[OzarkDem]

108. Obama's colleagues in IL didn't like his "bill-jacking"

its well known and documented. Some complained, but some kept silent to avoid incurring the wrath of Obama's mentor Emil Jones.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/23/224059/069

Barack Obama frequently cites his impressive record as an Illinois state legislator as an indicator of his experience in running for President.

Turns out, according to former Chicago reporter Todd Spivak, all of his legislative accomplishments were in his final 7th year and were handed to him by his mentor, Ill. State Senate President Emil Jones.

[BigDDem]

46. All hat

no cattle

[cali]

51. Bwahahahaha. Joke's on you, dearie.

More Senators have endorsed Obama than hillypoo who evidently is not so dear to those who have to work with her. Why don't the liberal lions of the Senate support hills? Because they know her.

[GoldieAZ49]

60. and they are still getting to know the character or lack thereof Obama

and they have not cast a single vote yet have they dearie?

:hi:

[cali]

76. They obviously believe that 3 years is enough time to know him

and they like what they know enough to strongly endorse him. You're nuts if you think that Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy or Pat Leahy will suddenly switch and back hilly.

[GoldieAZ49]

79. We will see at the convention

I would prefer a third candidate to be nominated, but that isn't going to happen

[cali]

81. It's not going to the convention. Harry Reid, Howard Dean and

Nancy Pelosi have made that clear and they do have the power to ensure it.

[GoldieAZ49]

82. if you could stick their power in your eye it wouldn't hurt

a loss for Hillary in PA will probably end it, but Reid, Dean and Pelosi cannot.

Party rules are not changed in the middle of an election.

[cali]

83. Sure they have the power to make sure that the SDs

endorse before the convention. It's completely naive to think they don't.

[GoldieAZ49]

97. 'Super delegate' gathering gets thumbs down

WASHINGTON — Democratic Party chief Howard Dean said Tuesday that he does not support staging a formal gathering of "super delegates" to pick the party's presidential nominee.

snip

Dean, the Democratic National Committee's chairman, said he hoped uncommitted super delegates would make their choices by July 1 to avert a showdown at the party's Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver.

snip

Dean said a plan pushed by Democratic Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen for a two-day gathering of super delegates in June won't work. "We can't have a convention of super delegates because it would look like 330 delegates are overriding the wishes of 30 million voters,"


snip

In an interview on ABC's Good Morning America, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, said the contest between Clinton and Obama should be allowed to "run its course" but said the party must align "behind one candidate a long time before" the convention "if we hope to win in November."

Pelosi, who is neutral in the race, repeated her view that it would be harmful to the party if super delegates were perceived to overturn the will of voters — but said super delegates have a right to vote as they wish.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-01-democrats_N.htm

hope and wishes does not make power!

[cali]

99. Try reading for comprehension.

I didn't say that they were going to force SDs to support Obama or Hillary, but that they have made it clear that this will be resolved before the convention, and that means making sure that SDs endorse one or the other well before the Convention.

[GoldieAZ49]

100. they wish and hope it will be resolved by then - you comprehend the difference

between that and the power to make it happen?

no, I didn't think so.

[cali]

103. nope. they've all said it will be resolved before the convention

and I'm willing to bet they're right. The dem movers and shakers do not want a brokered convention. they know that spells disaster. So does anyone with a functional brain. I'd rather see Hillary as the nominee than see a brokered convention.

[GoldieAZ49]

105. yeah real "movers and shakers"

more like the three stooges.

Time will tell.

[Beacool]

55. This is not news to those who know how he operated in the state senate.

Whatever record he managed to accumulate in the state legislature he can give thanks to the Springfield king maker: Emil Jones.

Jones would throw Obama's way bill proposals that belonged to others, Obama would then sign his name to them as if HE had done the work.

I once had an interesting conversation with a senator who shall remain nameless, but my family knows quite well. At the time Obama wasn't even running for president, but I was curious about the new senator since his convention speech. I asked this veteran senator his opinion on Obama. He responded that he was bright and congenial, but that he also found him lazy, ill prepared and a tad arrogant. I asked why lazy, and he responded that Obama waltzed into committee meetings playing catch-up and seldom had fully researched the issue at hand.

Charm and charisma do not trump hard work and experience.

[GoldieAZ49]

61. It explains why he never held a meeting for the committee he chaired

that would involve work and no one to steal the credit from

Thanks for your insight

[Beacool]

80. No problem.

There are too many people who are bedazzled by the junior senator, but who do not know the real man.

I did my due diligence and that's why in good conscience I can't vote for him if he is the nominee. Hillary is not perfect either, but there's not one person I have talked to that can say that she doesn't work her butt off and is known for being one of the most prepared senators at any given committee meeting.

It's a pity that we are about to chose a nominee based more on personality than actual qualification for the job. Won't we ever learn?

[GoldieAZ49]

84. an arrogant personality of that

Hillary has never been a favorite of mine, but she does have a command of the issues facing this country and speaks to them impressively.

The best Obama can do is say I agree with Hillary.

If he had an original thought or idea it would probably hurt.

[shockra]

94. Hillary is a "work horse." Obama is a "show horse."

After 8 years of Bush we need somebody who will DO THE GOD DAMN JOB. (x10)

[MethuenProgressive]

57. kickin and recing ANOTHER OBAMA LIE

Do that a lot around here!

[MethuenProgressive]

122. morning kick!

:kick:

[SeaLyons]

62. Obama just expects a free ride

at every level.

[GoldieAZ49]

66. he said it best: the affirmative action candidate

interesting choice of words he used

[SeaLyons]

65. K&R Obama Lies

:kick:

[GarbagemanLB]

71. Thanks for recommending an article that shows Hillary embellishes too! lol.

[SeaLyons]

74. of course she does....

it's politics. LOL

[dogday]

70. This article addressed both candidates and both camps

need to take heed on this.... Bet McCain comes out looking like the Bill King.... :thumbsdown:

[Onlooker]

72. Obama = Reagan

Obama is electable. He may not be hard working. He may not be especially bright. He may not be anymore honest than other politicians. But, like Reagan, he's an effective public speaker, has a moronically simple message (change, hope, and unity), and he appeals to a broad swatch of people. The American people look for personalities when choosing a president more than anything else. Otherwise, we would have never had Bush or Reagan. Get us a Democratic President, he can rubberstamp the intellectual work product of what will most likely be a bright and talented staff.

[GarbagemanLB]

73. He is smarter than Hillary...at least he can write his own book.

[barb162]

87. He should spend less time writing about himself and try working

, for a change,for the people of IL.

[barb162]

89. Ah, Mr Gloriosity: writing two books about his doing nothing for years

for the people of IL and the US, taking credit for the work of others.

[Beacool]

101. Yep, that about sums it up!!! n/t

[book_worm]

75. So why do more of their Senate collegues endorse Obama over Clinton?

[Debi]

77. Oh man, that's what I was gonna ask!

x(

:hi:

[barb162]

86. It's BO's MO. Not very flattering is it. All talk, no action.

People need to get it about Obama.

[oasis]

91. Obama leapfrogs over those whom he knows are much more qualified to be president.

Obama came into Washington with "Opportunist" written all over him.

[barb162]

93. You have it right, Obama's a scam artist.

He believes his own press. It's nice to see the truth come out on him every so often.

[DefenseLawyer]

98. Well, yes. Arlen Specter should obviously be the last word on this.

Quick, someone ask Orrin Hatch and Jim Inhofe how they feel about Obama too.

[OzarkDem]

106. "Bill-jacking" won't work in the WH, he'll have to do his own work

Another example of how Obama's rise to the top has been quick and dirty, showing he really has little or no legislative or governing experience. Delegating, you know.

Imagine "policy-jacking" foreign policy as POTUS. Will he rely on Canada or GB to develop the policy for him? Or maybe he can make friends with Putin.

Sorry, but I have a real hard time visualizing Obama leading our foreign policy. Like Smirk, he's hardly traveled outside the US, doesn't know anyone and is apparently bored by the details of these things.

Um, no thanks.