Hillary supporters.... doesn't it give you pause....

[TLM]

to see that Rush and Richard Mellon Scaife both are encouraging people to vote for your candidate?

Isn't that a red flag?

Honestly just think about what you'd be saying if Rush and Scaife were telling their readers/listeners to vote Obama?

Every Hillary supporter would be screaming that it was proof the right wingers know they can beat him and are afraid of Hillary. Yet people who would ordinarily be screaming that Rush and Scaife are evil have no problem with Hillary actively seeking out Scaife's support I get the feeling that she'd gladly accept an endorsement from Rove himself.

I support Obama... but if Rush and Scaife were saying people should vote for him, I know it would give me pause.

[ossman]

1. They are not afraid of Hillary. They have something on Bill. I guarantee it. In the file cabinet.

[TLM]

3. They want to run against her....

So either they are confident they can beat her.... or they are confident that she'll benefit their agenda.

[IndependentDem]

9. I'm leaning toward the second option. n/t

[anonymous171]

24. Fox and Rush both are fueled by Clinton hate. Their profits and ratings peaked recently and are

declining. They need the Clintons back in.

[tekisui]

38. The answer is both.

It's a win/win/ They are confident they can beat her. But, if she does win, they'll benefit.

Just think of Limpballs getting bash the Clinton's for 4 more years.

[Orsino]

42. I think they are afraid of Hillary...

...but their job--smearing the Dem with the stupidest possible appeals to knee-jerk patriotism and racism/sexism--will be easier if Clinton somehow became the nominee.

[stratomagi]

2. They're enjoying this primary and making a mockery out of it

while John McCain gets a free pass on selling the country on the John McCain fairytale.

[joshcryer]

4. Pretty much, they're backing Hillary to stir shit up.

In fact, since when does what the right wing say have any merit to it at all?

[TLM]

8. It matters so little.... why'd Hill seek Scaife's support?

"since when does what the right wing say have any merit to it at all?"

You seem to be confusing motive and merit.

When they say that their readers and listeners should vote for and support Hillary in the primaries, the issue isn't if what they say has merit or not. The issue is, what's their motivation for wanting Hillary in the GE and not Obama.

And be honest... what you would be saying if they were supporting Obama instead of Hillary?


If Rush told his listeners to change party to vote for Obama... what would you say?

[Taxmyth]

5. THIS gives me pause

Scaife has spent millions on tearing down the Clintons and his "endorsement" is to be taken with a grain of salt. Rush is an entertainer who would endorse hemmoroids if it made him more money. Neither one is really taken seriously......


However,


When this guy starts giving out tips to win to a Democratic candidate, there is definitely something afoot:

Rove tells Obama how to beat Clinton

Posted: 03:09 PM ET
Former top-Bush aide Karl Rove is offering Barack Obama some advice.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is getting advice from an unlikely source: former top Bush aide Karl Rove.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/03/rove-tells-obama-how-to-beat-clinton/

[TLM]

15. While you pause think about

how dishonest and misleading it is to only post the first line and leave out the most important part....


"The man behind Bush's two presidential victories took to the pages of the Financial Times Sunday to offer the candidate some unsolicited suggestions on how to beat rival Hillary Clinton."


Rove wrote an article viciously attacking Obama calling him weak and ineffectual.... and you try to spin it as Obama seeking out ROve in the same way Hillary sought out Scaife?

[Taxmyth]

35. the viciousness was reserved for Senator Clinton

The worst Senator Obama gets in the original memo is to be called "a vitamin-deficient Adlai Stevenson".

Read the memo here: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dee0a6e8-a109-11dc-9f34-0000779fd2ac.html

and really, it's as dishonest and misleading as the OP. It's just not important.

[quakerboy]

16. And that advice is offered

in all good faith, right? It rather looks like the backhanded advice. The "you suck at this, heres what you should do" sort that always blows up in ones face. The type intended to weaken your opponent. "you know, if you move your queen to this square over here, I think it would help you beat me, honest".

[splat]

20. Scaife did NOT endorse Hillary -- he said the editorial board hasn't met with Obama yet

Hillary reassessed

...Does all this mean I'm ready to come out and recommend that our Democrat readers choose Sen. Clinton in Pennsylvania's April 22 primary?

No -- not yet, anyway. In fairness, we at the Trib want to hear Sen. Barack Obama's answers to some of the same questions and to others before we make that decision.

But it does mean that I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday's meeting -- and it's a very favorable one indeed.

Call it a "counterintuitive" impression.

[TLM]

23. Oh please read the whole piece....

He lauded over her....

[splat]

26. Editorial boards issue endorsements, not 'laudments'! You're twisting facts again

Why would you think I'd bother to fetch the link and code it without reading it???

[TLM]

30. Twisting what.... this is supporting Hillary....

"Reading that, a lesser politician -- one less self-assured, less informed on domestic and foreign issues, less confident of her positions -- might well have canceled the interview right then and there."

"Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both."

"Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today's most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on. "


Please feel free to spin this as somehow not supportive of Hillary.

He ended by saying NOT YET on the official endorsement... but the article itself is a GLOWING endorsement.

[saracat]

6. It gives me pause that Rupert murdoch's daughter is giving a fundreaiser for Obama. It gives me

pause that Elizabeth Hasselbach fawns over Obama.It gives me pause that the Obama campaign continues to hand out two forms one registering voters as Democrats and another form for them to change back to GOP after the primary.Yeah, a lot makes me think!

[GarbagemanLB]

7. You do know Hillary and Rupert are buddy-buddy, right?

[saracat]

14. Yupper.Didn't like it them either.It was a long time ago.The new fundraiser is current!

[DerekJ]

10. Murdoch himself is making a fundraiser for Hillary.

That's scary.

His daughter is not him. Since when do we blame the "kids" for the sins of their father?!

[saracat]

18. He contributed to a fundraiser for Hillary a long time ago. This fundraiser is "current"

And its "all in the family" and yeah , we do Blame the kids.Sort of like giving the Kennedy's credit for their parents!

[DerekJ]

31. You are very incoherent lately saracat.

[saracat]

46. Really? Look at these votes and tell me Obama will safeguard SCOTUS!

24/05: Obama voted for cloture on Priscilla Owen for the 5th Circuit. Torture-proponent Alberto Gonzales even called Owen extreme in her right-wing stances. Her record shows that she is anti-environment, anti-labor, anti-civil rights, anti-human rights, pro-discrimination and pro-polluter. Activists tried to stop cloture as the confirmation vote was a sure thing once the Senate voted for cloture. Roll call 127

6/14/05: Obama further stabbed the women’s movement in the back by voting to confirm Thomas B. Griffith to a lifetime appointment as a justice on the DC Circuit, a court often used as a stepping stone for the U.S. Supreme Court. Griffith, who is not licensed to practice law in Utah (his home state), believes that equal opportunity for women violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. In February, 2007, thanks to Obama’s backing of Griffith, the DC circuit has now ruled that Guantanamo detainees have no right to habeas corpus. Roll call 136

9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees. John Roberts’s wife worked for Operation Rescue, an organization that uses extreme measures (including violence) to oppose women’s doctors. John Roberts has questioned the constitutionality of the Violence Against Women Act and of the Endangered Species Act. He has also expressed opposition to equal pay for women. Roberts was responsible for a plan to disenfranchise tens of thousands of African-Americans in Florida in 2000. In his confirmation hearings, Roberts refused to say whether he would uphold legislation that overrode a presidential veto. A unanimous consent agreement was necessary to take Roberts’s nomination to the floor, and Obama could have placed a hold on the nomination but would not do so despite the opposition of over 80% of the American public to the Roberts nomination.

10/27/05: Obama voted to confirm Susan Blake Neilson for the Sixth Circuit. She had a history of being a judicial activist against plaintiffs in civil rights, employment, personal injury and government negligence cases and a tendency to dismiss claims that present triable issues of fact. Both of her state Senators felt she was so extreme that they blue-slipped her. Roll call 2775/16/06:

Obama voted to confirm Milan D. Smith to the 9th Circuit. The appointment was part of Bush’s effort to turn the 9th Circuit (West Coast) from moderate to extreme right wing by adding justices to the Circuit who would support the Bush Agenda. Roll call 120

5/25/06: Obama voted for cloture on the nomination of Brett M. Kavanaugh to be a justice on the D.C.Circuit, placing him in line for a future Supreme Court nomination. The trouble is that he is another right-wing extremist who will undercut human rights on the cases he judges. A result of his confirmation is the recent decision to deny Guantanamo detainees the right of habeas corpus. Roll call 158

6/19/06: Obama voted to confirm Sandra Segal Ikutu, another opponent of human rights, to the 9th Circuit. This was part of Bush’s stacking of the 9th Circuit in a seeming effort to turn the 9th circuit from moderate to right-wing. Roll call 175

12/8/06: In Roll Calls 275 and 276, Obama voted for cloture and confirmation of another of Bush’s right wing Circuit Court nominees, Kent A. Jordan

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[Forkboy]

11. Then the OP should make you think as well.

And for the exact same reasons. :shrug:

[TLM]

21. His Daughter.....????? LOL!!!

Guess she doesn't agree with the old man.... who is supporting hillary with fundraising.

But that's OK... Just like Rush's support and Scaife's support?


If Hillary supporters want to hold Obama accountable for the words spoken by those who endorse him... why do they not demand the same standard of Hillary, who is now being supported by some of the most notorious figures of the far right.


Be honest... does it worry you at all WHY they want Hillary to win the nomination?

[redqueen]

44. "and another form for them to change back to GOP after the primary"

Where's that from?

[splat]

12. We can't win without crossover Repubs -- sounds like Hillary's the real 'unifier'

Politics is about getting the most votes from all kinds of people. Or do you only want the votes of those as ideologically pure as yourself?

[GarbagemanLB]

13. Except the Repubs voting for her will just vote for McCain in the general...

[splat]

17. No, they're not nuts about McPain, and they're mad as hell at the GOP

There'll be votes from the newly purple states.

[TLM]

27. Funny... another Hillary supporter was just bashing crossovers...

When Obama actually goes out and seeks disenchanted republican moderates to support him.... he gets attacked by the same people who try to spin RUSH telling far right wig wackos to vote Hillary so she can with the primary and lose the GE.


Nice double standard.... and way to alienate the moderates.

[thoughtcrime1984]

19. That's rich!

Fortunately, we probably won't get to see how well she would "unify" the Republicans to vote against her in full force. Don't get me wrong, I'd vote for her over McCain, the stakes are just too great to have a Republican in office, well, ever. That said, the Rush "endorsement" was not for the reasons you'd like to think it was for. He stated his purpose on his awful radio show, and his minions did come out to some extent.

[splat]

22. Whatever his purpose, votes is votes

[anonymous171]

25. Unless it is just for the primary. Use your logic, Hillary has absolutely NO crossover appeal.

None at all. She supported the war and is hawkish, there goes anti-war repugs. Her health care plans and economic plans are really really liberal, there goes Economic conservatives. It goes on and on.

[splat]

29. Use your logic, many Repug (not Neocon, GOP) women who identify with how she's dissed

...and admire her guts in the face of all the crap Obama's snarkmob is throwing at her.

They meet glass ceilings more than the Dem base does.

[anonymous171]

32. Do you know many repug women?

I do. They hate Hillary more than most of the male conservatives I know do.

[Taxmyth]

36. I do

We were talking about this before. I personally, and this is anectodal evidence, at best, have heard women that are traditional GOP voters say that they would vote for Hillary Clinton because she represents the best shot at ever getting a woman as President of the United States. Out of earshot of their significant others, of course.

[oasis]

28. Maybe it's because they believe Obama isn't fit to hold the top office.

ya think?

[anonymous171]

33. And they would want him out of the dem primary why then, if he was so horrible?

Wouldn't they want the weakest democrat nominated?

[oasis]

43. It's more than likely a Dem will win. They want the best possible Dem.

What's good for America trumps all other considerations. Republicans are patriots too.

[khaos]

34. an effing parakeet could hold the "top" office..

it's just a PR position..

[quickesst]

37. The only thing....

that gives me pause, is the degenerative process I've witnessed with Obama supporters transforming themselves into the Democratic version of Bush voters in 2000, and 2004. They were also worshipful of their guy, and harbored nothing but irrational hatred for the Clintons. If Obama gets the nomination, I wouldn't worry about the Rovian right-wing attack machine. It's tinker toys compared to what I've seen from the Obama camp. Thanks.
quickesst

[Sinistrous]

40. I think those memes are no longer operative.

You had better ask your handler for an update.

[Perry Logan]

39. Rush has openly said he is trying to prevent a 50-state sweep by the Democrats.

[goldcanyonaz]

41. What gives me pause is that so many believe this crap It's a setup.

I guess you forgot all the calls in to switch to Republican to vote for Obama in other states.

Oh, that's right...

Republicans just like him.

:rofl:

[Umbram]

45. There are Clinton supporters claiming that Faux is the fairest network.

There really is no spoon in their world.

[BootinUp]

47. I don't know why they say that, should I really care what they think and why? nt