Is Clinton more electable than Obama

[notundecided]

Current polls provide little actual clarity on who would do better in a popular vote contest. Primaries yet to occur, as well as state-by-state, head-to-head polls in swing states should way heavily on the minds of superdelegates. In November only electoral votes will count. Without the electoral votes of New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and either Ohio or Florida, neither Obama or Clinton will prevail against a patriot and war hero with more than twenty-five years of experience in congress. Democratic voters in the above mentioned states have so far resisted the seductive inevitability (if not the audacity) of mere hope. In big electoral states such as California, New York, and Ohio voters want something more than hope. They seek a candidate with experience and the ability to govern.

[Waya]

1. No................

..not anymore.....

[0007]

3. .......not any less either!

[Waya]

5. That's a matter of opinion, I guess............

[YDogg]

2. No. In spite of her best spiteful efforts.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. I've yet to see Obama brng home a state that we need in the GE.

He ain't gonna win the South as so many here state. Might be a repeat of Dukaukis with he as our nominee.

[NDambi]

7. Well she ain't gonna win the south either..plus her negatives are off the chain!

[terrell9584]

13. She'll win Arkansas, West Virginia

In Arkansas their allies control the state, seriously, Arkansas is now run by a bunch of people who started out working for the Clintons.

They'll vote for Bill's wife, definitely. West Virginia, will vote for Clinton, without question. Kentucky may very well be on the table. Clinton did win it the last time, and right now, the Republican Party in that state is associated with Fletcher.

She can win any state her husband won and both times he won in electoral vote landslides.

Obama, can't win the three states I just mentioned.

[NDambi]

26. I'll give her Arkansas and that's it...other than that..I say she has to prove it..but alas she

won't have the chance.

I'm for her staying in until all the primaries are done..but yes, thankfully she's on her last leg.

[leftofcool]

27. She will probably win Florida and Kentucky both

Hubby is from Kentucky and he says they are all gaga for Hillary there. She may take NC as well.

[bowens43]

9. He certainly has a better chance of winning the south then Hillary does.

Hillary on the ticket is a republican wet dream.

[Waya]

10. Every four years ................

.........a Democrat wins in a State that is needed in the GE - it's called a Primary. Just because Clinton won Ohio for instance, doesn't mean she would win it in the GE any more than Obama would. Kerry won Ohio in 2004 Primary - and the rest is history. Why wouldn't Obama win the South?

[C_U_L8R]

12. Sorry your assumption has no basis in fact

A primary win or loss (whether for Obama or Hillary) has no direct correlation
to whether that candidate will win that state in the general election.
Sorry but your math doesn't compute.

[goldcanyonaz]

38. Both, Obama and Hillary ain't winning the South It's a fact that we already know.

[JTFrog]

29. Don't forget the biggest state of all, because those 31 states Obama won just don't count!

Caucus states don't count!
Red states don't count!
Texas only 1/2 counts (not the caucus part)!


Only the biggest state of all counts!



:rofl:

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Then tell me which of those states he carries in the GE? Not the South for either.

That's a gimme. The South was won by Carter in 76 and he was from there.

[JTFrog]

40. Right, you've said it already. They don't count. We got the message loud and clear. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

41. I'll put you down as "Hope" we win some states. Got it, thanks!

[JTFrog]

45. I'll put you down as the one with the Crystal Ball that proves you are winning the biggest state. nt

[C_U_L8R]

6. This is what primaries are for

and it's decided by earning delegates.
It's really that basic... despite the contorted reasoning of the Clintons.
They are simply avoiding the fact that they are losing by every measure.

[Apollo11]

36. I agree. Let's count primaries - not caucuses.

[C_U_L8R]

43. Typical Clintonist. Trying to change the rules.

[bowens43]

8. No. Hillary is unelectable.

You have to be very naive to believe that Hillary could defeat McCain in the GE.

[HockeyMom]

11. If Republicans want her to be our nominee,

and have crossed over to vote for her in open primaries to make it so, then she will not win the GE.

[terrell9584]

22. did you ever consider

that they might want Obama to be the nominee, so they want us to think that they want Hillary to be the nominee, to trick our primary voters into picking the weaker candidate?

[HockeyMom]

23. I have been trolling the Freepers

long before most people ever heard of Obama. Freepers have been saying this for years since Hillary was first elected Senator.

[terrell9584]

30. Hillary's whole campaign

has been a deliberate attempt to curry favor with the people who may have liked Bill but didn't like her. I think to an extent it succeeded. They are counting on the idea that their voters will vote for them, but not Obama and that his will vote for the party line no matter what, because of who the supporters are demographically. I honestly would agree with them. Hillary is winning the voters who are swing, the ones that were won by both Reagan and her husband, the ones who didn't go for Mondale or Dukakis

[Kokonoe]

28. I did,

But then how would they all know to vote for the opposite.

[mrJJ]

14. BLANK

If Sen Clinton is anywhere on the Dem Ticket in November I'll vote for ALL the Dem Senate & Congressional seats in play in my state. I will leave the Presidential slot BLANK. If Sen Obama becomes the Dem nominee, needs to start with a clean slate.

[featherman]

15. No

[Bad Thoughts]

16. Inches versus Yards

That question is not easily answered. Clinton has a high floor of support, but with negative public perception, she also has a low ceiling. A victory in the Fall would be narrow. Predicting how Obama will is more difficult, and his performance can differ greatly, capable of coming short or blowing the competition away. I would say it's comparing a game of inches versus yards: one side must take the tough slog, the other is more aggressive. Look at their styles and come up with your own opinion which would work better.

[cali]

17. Pull yoir head out of the sand

look around. the economy is in dire straits and working people are suffering and the middle classes are freaking out over the price of bread,milk, gasoline and heating oil. All the patriot war hero stuff in the world cannot save McCain. I don't give a shit what the polls say now: It's the economy, stupid. Both of our candidates can win. One of them will.

[Mooney]

18. Nope.

Hillary Clinton was, is and will always be unelectable. And just because someone carries a state in the primaries doesn't mean they will carry it in the general. John McCain carried New York and California in his primary. Does that mean he'll win them in the general. And Hillary lost Illinois in the primary. If you're making the case that there is a direct correlation between states lost in the primary and states lost in the general, then you are making the argument that Hillary will lose the election because she can't carry Illinois, and she will also lose New York and California to John McCain.

I think this is the 600th time I've had to debunk this "argument."

[underpants]

19. More? No but either will win

Four more years??? the answer will be a resounding NO

[SeaLyons]

20. Obama cannot win the GE

[cali]

24. What part of the economy is tanking don't you grasp?

By November we will be in very deep shit indeed, and people do not trust repukes in bad economic times. McCain couldn't be worse on that issue. The dem nominee- whoever it is- will win.

[SeaLyons]

31. arrogant thinking

like most of your posts...

[leftynyc]

21. No - they're both weak candidates

My hope is they're strong enough to win but it's going to be very close no matter who our candidate is.

[cali]

33. I don't agree with your OPINION

and that's all it is- opinion. I don't think when it gets down to it that it's going to be all that close. And I think McCain is a terribly weak candidate who's escaped scrutiny because of the ongoing dem primary. That's not going to last beyond June. Of course, that's merely my opinion.

[Apollo11]

25. My answer would be a CLINTON OBAMA ticket

I honestly think that this would be our strongest ticket in the fall, would unite the party and its base across the country, and would set us up for 16 years of progressive leadership.

As much as I love Al Gore, the idea of drafting him in at the Convention in Denver, 9 weeks before the election. Well - it would make the Democratic Party look divided and disorganized.

So this is why I say, sorry Nancy - but I want my Dream Team Ticket! B-)

[Waya]

32. Make that an OBAMA/CLINTON ticket.................

....and you got a deal........ He's ahead you know, and will stay that way......

[Apollo11]

34. I want a ticket that sets us up for 16 years - all the way thru 2025.

Therefore it makes sense to put the older Senator at the top of our ticket.

Plus the fact that Hillary has the best chance of winning key battleground States like Florida and Ohio, based on the latest available evidence from published polls.

For me it's about what's the strongest ticket. Not which candidate I like best.

[Waya]

37. Well, call me old fashioned.............

..........but I want the one who has more delegates and more popular votes to get the number one spot on the ticket..... you know, majority wins and all.............

[LWolf]

35. I don't think either of them are electable at this point. n/t

[Strelnikov_]

42. Clinton ~ 54% unfavorable

She defines unelectable.

[Orsino]

44. Thank you for your concern.

:eyes:

[Arugula Latte]

46. Hillary would be like an anchor on our chances in November.

She's very unelectable.