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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:15 AM
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Hot Damn! Obama Overtakes Clinton in PPP Poll of Pennsylvania!
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:16 AM by slinkerwink
Obama 45-Clinton 43.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_040208.pdf


It’s a remarkable turn around from PPP’s last Pennsylvania poll, conducted two and a half weeks ago, that showed Clinton with a 26 point lead in the state. That poll was released at the height of the Jeremiah Wright controversy and the day before Obama’s major speech on race in Philadelphia. Obama has been trending upward in national polling and in many state level polls since then and this survey reflects that pattern.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:17 AM
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1. Hot Diggity
:)

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:18 AM
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2. Diggity Dogg!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:19 AM
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3. Wow ......... and he was trailing in the same poll 2 weeks ago
This is good news.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:19 AM
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4. I'm not sure I buy this poll but the trend is clear
Obama is making inroads in PA according to ALL the polls.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:21 AM
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5. Goodness. That's crazy.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:23 AM
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6. Just reported this too - All polls Obama +2.6!!!!
Popular Vote 49.5 - 46.9 Obama +2.6
Popular Vote (w/FL) 48.5 - 47.1 Obama +1.4
Nat'l RCP Average 45.0 - 42.8 Obama +2.2
Pennsylvania 42.3 - 48.3 Clinton +6.0
North Carolina 49.8 - 37.8 Obama +12.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:33 AM
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39. K and R
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:24 AM
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7. Notice that Clinton leads among white older women, whereas
Obama leads in men, younger under 45 men and women, and all non-whites.

The younger votes, the votes of minorities, and youth are Obama's strengths.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:24 AM
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8. This is reflecting all the new people registered from March 24 as well as Tuzla and Casey's
endorsement.

Wait until he and Casey do the stadium tour, an unprecedented TV ad blitz and then they rev up the black vote in Philly and elsewhere.

This poll was out in front on Wisconsin, btw and was the most accurate if I remember.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:25 AM
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9. Casey Casey Casey
Easily the most significant endorsement of this primary season I think.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:33 AM
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18. Guess Casey's endorsement isn't so insignificant now to the Clintons
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:47 AM
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23. And Teresa Heinz Kerry is very loved in PA, or at least in Pittsburgh. She is speaking with
Michelle Obama here today!
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Kermit77 Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:55 AM
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27. I forgot that Teresa Heinz Kerry was from Pennsylvania
She should help Barack a lot in Penn.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:48 AM
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24. A great endorsement but not the most significant
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:50 AM by karynnj
There likely is no ONE endorsement that was the most significant - it was all of them. Some of the others - in the order they were made that would be candidates would be:

Kerry, who gave a great speech from which the media took some words and frames, some loaned gravitas, a well known surrogate (to balance HRC having Bill). Not to mention that he had his own following.

Kennedy, who could confer the Kennedy legacy label and who was the answer to any attack on Obama as not good on healthcare.

Without Kerry and Kennedy, HRC might have done significantly better on SuperTuesday - the one day when Obama could not spend extensive time in each state. McCasgill was another early endorser who has been a good surrogate.

Richardson - with his Hispanic heritage and the fact that he had very strong connections to HRC.

With Casey, his help in PA is enormous and he had said he would stay neutral - he is a huge deal in PA. But, barring a result unlikely to occur - Obama has won the nomination. Winning PA would likely just end the race faster - so I can't say he was the most significant.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:44 AM
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31. It surly helped
but the sniper fire is what killed her.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:29 AM
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11. You mean that poll was correct about WI?
more accurate than the others?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:31 AM
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13. Wisconsin (off by 4 points, all others where off by 8 or more) Texas and Ohio (by 1 point)
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:32 AM
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16. Thanks for that info!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:17 AM
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37. I always thought PPP has the best likely voter methodology
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:18 AM by Dems Will Win
most polls say the usual youth turnout is 11-13% and weight the poll accordingly even if the youth are saying they will turn out heavier.

PPP just goes with the flow and weights it basically at the rate the young people tell them they are going to be voting, even if it's up around 20% or higher.

That's why they are more accurate this year.
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:31 AM
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14. What is important about undecideds is
That some don't even vote, but few of those who do will go to a known name like Clinton. Clinton folks tend to have decided earlier to support her, whereas undecideds who will vote decide late, and often vote for the less known.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:36 AM
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20. That has not been true on other states -- last day undecideds go for Clinton
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:28 AM
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10. I'm not gonna buy this until more polls show such a trend
but this is interesting.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:33 AM
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17. Quinn and Ras both have him gaining significant ground
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:45 AM
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22. Yeah, I just saw the Ras poll at RCP. Amazing but I'm still skeptical
I don't want to get too excited yet, I'll wait for Quinn and SurveyUSA to release their next poll to get excited about this.

Shit, wouldn't it be something it Obama actually beat her there? I would still bet she wouldn't drop out after that.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:29 AM
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12. I thought it's a late AF ...
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:32 AM
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15. Polling done on April Fools Day! Does that explain it?????
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:35 AM
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19. Those damn sexists n/t
:sarcasm:
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:40 AM
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21. Awesome news!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:49 AM
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25. kick
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:51 AM
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26. nice! hillary has to drop out if she loses PA
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:47 AM
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32. no... the goal post will move to Indiana, or Kentucky, or Puerto Rico!!
she said she's not dropping out and I believe her.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:04 AM
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28. It's those damn snipers! HRC supporters are taking cover!
:rofl:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:42 AM
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29. Surely you jest.
Wow, that's pretty amazing.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:44 AM
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30. Pennsylvania doesn't count
If those voters don't chose Hillary they should be disenfranchised at the convention. The purpose of the primary is to seat Hillary, not to express the voters will.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:00 AM
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33. K & R
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:01 AM
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34. k&r
:kick:
:woohoo:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:03 AM
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35. This is GREAT!! nt
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:05 AM
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36. K & R!! Awesome!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:21 AM
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38. Don't count on it! Remeber Zogby
Most of these races have fallen in the direction they were expected to (though not always by the magnitidue expected). I do not expect Obama to win Pennsylvania - it's very much Clinton territory.

Also, I'm much more inclined to trust SurveyUSA who has guessed very well this season, and thier poll from today has him down 12 points - which is a 7 point gain over the past 3 weeks, but still, significantly behind.

I don't doubt he'll do better than expected, but winning is a tall, TALL order. Don't count on it. Count rather on a big victory in North Carolina and Oregon, and an exciting race in Indiana.

David
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:19 PM
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40. Don't count out the Philadelphia vote which often overrides the state in elections. n/t
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