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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:38 AM
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The problem isn't Obama or his supporters, it's "the Clinton moment"
The series of comments Clinton critics’ cite began in mid-December, when the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, Bill Shaheen, speculated about whether Obama had ever dealt drugs. In the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, however, the discomfort of some black observers intensified as Bill Clinton dismissed the contrast between Obama’s judgment on the war and Clinton’s as a “fairy tale” and spoke dismissively of his short time in the Senate. And the candidate herself, in an interview with Fox News, stressed the role of President Lyndon Johnson, over Martin Luther King Jr., in the civil rights movement.

“I would point to the fact that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done,” she said, in response to a question about how her dismissive attitude toward Obama’s “false hopes” would have applied to the civil rights movement. “That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it and actually got it accomplished.”

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Bill Clinton Accuses Obama Camp of Stirring Race Issue

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: January 24, 2008

KINGSTREE, S.C. — Former President Bill Clinton defended himself Wednesday against accusations that he and his wife had injected the issue of race into the Democratic presidential primary in South Carolina, and he accused Senator Barack Obama of Illinois of putting out a “hit job” on him.

Scolding a reporter, Mr. Clinton said the Obama campaign was “feeding” the news media to keep issues of race alive, obscuring positive coverage of the presidential campaign here of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

“They know this is what you want to cover,” Mr. Clinton told a CNN reporter in Charleston, in an apparent reference to the Obama campaign.

“Shame on you,” the former president added.

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Videos:


Hillary shills are still pushing this false claim: Obama was the first to play the race card

More facts:

Look at the dates in this memo:

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

(Here is a link)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was obviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.

Asked for evidence of the Obama campaign's role in fomenting the controversy, a Clinton aide cited a staff memo, leaked to political blogs, that compiled quotes by Clinton and her allies that seemed racially insensitive.

link

So after injecting racially charged comments into the debate and accusing Obamas's campaign of race baiting, Hillary's campaign's proof is a memo written after all her campaign's deliberate race baiting, which has continued:

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

What now?

Hillary's top donors threaten Pelosi: Endorse Hillary's view that elected delegates can abandon Obama or we're pulling our money from the party.

Which leads to:

the Clinton moment

by kid oakland
Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:49:09 PM PDT

<...>

Conclusion

This is, for all of that, a Clinton moment.

I find myself, as a Democrat, leaving the California Party convention with huge respect for every last Democratic activist. I was floored by the new energy and the youth energy present in San Jose. I think a great deal of that energy comes from Obama's campaign in 2008. But, clearly, Senator Clinton, for as much as the facts on the ground and the party leadership have lined up against her, has the bedrock support of some of the most experienced activists in the Democratic base.

Obama and the Party need every last one of those activists. Dailykos does too. And we need them sooner rather than later. There is so much at stake in 2008. There's too much at stake to be divided going into Denver. My concluding thought coming from San Jose is this. Obama needs to solidify his coalition. He needs to win over doubting Democrats and include those who have yet to feel fully included. To win, Barack Obama will need every last experienced activist the Demoratic party can muster and those experienced activists need feel utilized and included as respected equals.

Senator Clinton is in a powerful position. Her supporters are among the best activists the Democratic Party has. I do not doubt that every last Clinton activist in the party will work for the nominee. The question is when that will happen, not whether they will support the nominee. I like and trust Clinton's activist supporters. These are good people who deserve our respect. If Clinton continues down this path, her choice will shape our party's chances in November up and downticket. Bill Clinton famously told California Democrats to "chill out." I don't agree. Jerry McNerney and Charlie Brown can't afford to chill out. Scott Kleeb and Darcy Burner and Larry Kissell can't afford to chill out.

We need to come together. We need to get on the same page. We need to get positive and stop fighting each other. And at some point, Senator Clinton will have to make up her mind. If she chooses to be divisive, we have to resist the urge to be divisive to her supporters in return. They aren't Hillary, and we need every last one of them.

Standing in the midst of Senator Clinton's sign-toters I felt at home. These were Democrats I recognized from the fight to defeat Richard Pombo in CA-11. These were party activists I'd worked with before. I do not doubt for one second these folks will be fighting John McCain in November.

My biggest question is when do we start.

That's something on all of our minds. It's something that Senator Clinton has a powerful say over.


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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:41 AM
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1. K/R.
Great timeline.


:kick:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:09 AM
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2. Thanks!
Obviously, facts don't matter.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:37 AM
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3. I love the posts you prepare
they are never missing a thing.

K&R

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:04 AM
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4. Thanks! Not from a Clinton, but a surrogate :
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:04 AM by ProSense
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:28 AM
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5. Thanks for putting this all together in one place
You are amazing.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:06 PM
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10. Thanks!
The incredible thing is that this isn't everything.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:37 AM
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6. Again thank you for this
People use the phrase 'empty suit'

Sean Wilentz's article is an empty Princeton Professor's robe. It an article with a provocative title and nothing underneath.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:00 PM
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7. "Barry" or "Barrie" wasn't supposed to mount an effective challenge
The denial by Hillary supporters is bordering on shock! They simply can't come to grips with her losing. It has to be someone else's fault. Make no mistake, though, Hillary set the tone for her campaign.

Thanks all for the comments and recs.

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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:01 PM
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8. K and R
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:48 PM
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47. K & R
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:02 PM
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9. Good work, hopefully people will take time to read
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:42 PM
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11. Thanks.
Hillary's campaign will become a case study in what not to do.

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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:45 PM
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13. Somewhere...
...Bob Shrum is giggling.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:42 PM
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22. Now, that's embarrassing. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:01 PM
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19. That's powerful because maybe just maybe
it will be the end of Dirty Politics by Democrats in the Primaries. We know the repukes aren't going to stop but we've always had facts on our side and Obama has the way to deliver them.

Thanks, ProSense! :patriot:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:52 PM
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30. You're probably right. n/t
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:15 AM
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48. It is possible.
The internet has made things hell of alot more difficult for those running on anything but positive campaigns.

LoL McCain is going to be defeated easily in the GE!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:45 PM
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12. K&R
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:47 PM
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14. Nope. The problem is Obama.
I once recoiled at the Clinton candidacy until Edwards dropped out and I paid closer attention to Obama. It was Clinton from that point forward.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:53 PM
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17. No, the problem is Hillary. How can anyone condone the actions mentioned in the OP,
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:47 PM
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15. They sure didn't need any of us to do themselves in. Thanks!
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:53 PM
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16. Some people only see what they want to see. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:21 PM
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36. Agree! n/t
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:00 PM
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18. I have a suggestion to the Obama supporters
Why doesn't Obama ask Senator Kennedy talk to Hillary about dropping out. I have noticed he has gone into hiding the past month. LOL :rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:07 PM
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21. I don't get it?
Why are you suggesting Kennedy is in hiding when Hillary's campaign is on its last leg?

"Obama picked up another superdelegate, continuing the slow drip in his direction. (He has picked up 12 since March 4th to Clinton's one.)"

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:51 PM
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23. That's a good thing.
The less of that lowly blowhard, the better off we all are.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 09:59 PM
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24. The so-called "lowly blowhard" did a fantastic job on two fronts:
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 09:59 PM by ProSense
1) Dedicating four decades to improving the quality of life for Americans

2) Exposing Hillary's lies on about SCHIP


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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:04 PM
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20. I almost always feel like bookmarking your threads
Funny how sometimes I look at a thread without checking to see who posted it. Just about the time I'm thinking "damn, this post is chock full of info" I realize who must have done it, and 9 times out of 10 I'm right.

Kudos.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:22 PM
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25. Great work!
:applause:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:54 AM
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27. Thanks!
Thanks to all for the recs and comments.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:28 PM
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26. K&R Fantastic, outstanding summary of events and synthesis of information. n/t
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since72 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:21 AM
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28. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:48 PM
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29. How much did Hillary raise in March:
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 02:49 PM by ProSense
about $20 million?

Let's see, besides her $13 million debt, how much of the $20 million is allocated for the primary?




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:19 AM
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31. The big question:

Show Us the (Primary) Money

After the Clinton and Obama campaigns announced their March fundraising totals yesterday, a number of readers asked for that further important level of detail -- how much of the haul was for the primary and how much for the general election. Money raised for the general is irrelevant for evaluating how much each campaign has for contesting the remaining primaries.

We're asking. But so far neither campaign has responded to our queries.

We'll keep you posted.

Late Update: The Obama campaign has now told us that "almost all" their $40 million is for the primary. Still somewhat vague. They say they'll have full details when they do the filing in a couple weeks.

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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:26 AM
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32. No. The problem is....
people like you who don't even want to see a unified party. Because you are having too much fun poking holes in the candidate you do not like.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:34 AM
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33. No, the problem is Hillary believing that repeatedly lying about sniper fire is funny, and
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:36 AM by ProSense
people like you who think other people should excuse all her BS!

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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:39 AM
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34. When I saw a link to the right wing site Politico in your post, I guessed that it was...
...a link to an article by Ben Smith. I was right.

If you think that Politico or Ben Smith are credible, you are being played.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:14 AM
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35. Hillary's lies makes her credible? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:17 PM
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37. Clinton: If you can’t stand the heat, don’t run for president

Clinton: If you can’t stand the heat, don’t run for president

Posted by: Ellen Wulfhorst

EUGENE - Sen. Hillary Clinton defended the critical and sometimes harsh exchanges between her presidential campaign and that of rival Barack Obama, saying, “It is not a coronation, it is a contest.”

<...>

“If you can’t stand the heat, don’t run for president because it’s a really hot kitchen in the White House, I’ll tell you that much,” she said.

Her comments came in response to a young man in the crowd who said he was an Obama supporter. He asked if anything said by her campaign might have hurt the Illinois senator and might merit an apology.

“I think this has been, by and large, one of the most positive and civil campaigns I’ve ever been a part of or know about,” she replied. “For those who are new to politics … it can be eye-opening especially when you choose sides and you’re for one or the other of us, that you can take very personally anything anybody says.”

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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:25 AM
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38. Great work, thank you!
:kick:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:18 PM
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39. "The Clinton Moment" article
is definitely worth the read. Thanks for the post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:22 AM
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40. It's amazing how
some people expect others to give Hillary a pass while they condemn Obama with spin.

To quote Hillary: If you (she) can't stand the heat...

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:26 AM
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41. OMG
please
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:26 AM
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42. It's also amazing how far some people will go to bump their own dead threads. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:28 AM
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43. LOL - QC
you noticed that too? :rofl: fucking pathetic
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:29 AM
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44. How could anyone not notice it.
This is the first time I have seen anyone resurrect something nearly a week old though.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:31 AM
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46. Oh, QC "you noticed too? fucking pathetic"
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 12:31 AM by ProSense
Yeah, like this display isn't embarrassing!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:29 AM
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45. I'm sure you believe it's worse than lying about sniper fire and condoning
Hillary's other lies.


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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:25 AM
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49. Kick. nt
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:31 AM
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50. It's like a crybaby laundry list...
for people who want to avoid talking about issues
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:34 AM
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51. Yes it is, and it is fucking pathetic....nt
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:37 AM
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52. Kicking for the truth. n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:41 AM
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53. From OP: "Obama was the first to play the race card"
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Pavlovs DiOgie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:48 AM
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54. K&R!
She has run an abyssmal campaign.
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