Yes, Obama apologized for Swiftboating the Clintons, but only after being caught.

[MethuenProgressive]

So what if he apologized? That doesn't undo the damage he and his camp did to Hillary and Bill Clinton. Kudos to Tim Russert for calling him out!
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The Obama Camp's memo plotting to Swiftboat the Clintons:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have.

OBAMA: And I’m sure those will be on display today.

What I am absolutely convinced of is that everybody here is committed to racial equality — has been historically. And what I also expect is that I’m going to be judged as a candidate in terms of how I’m going to be improving the lives of the people in Nevada and the people all across the country, that they are going to ultimately be making judgments on can I deliver on good jobs at good wages; can I make sure that our home foreclosure crisis is adequately dealt with; are we going to be serious about retirement security; and are we going to have a foreign policy that makes us safe.

If I’m communicating that message, then I expect to be judged on that basis. And if I’m not, then I expect to be criticized on that basis. That’s the kind of campaign that we want to run and that we have run up until this point.

RUSSERT: Do you believe this is a deliberate attempt to marginalize you as the black candidate?

OBAMA: No.

[boobooday]

1. How sad. The Clintons are such victims!

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

8. They were shit on by BO camp--then called racist!!

[Mezzo]

142. IOKIYBO nt

[bilgewaterbill]

159. EIEIO.

[dogday]

49. Why do you choose to throw stones instead of words?

Discuss what the O.P. has posted and point out the flaws in his argument if you can.. These type of post do nothing to unite and help our party..

[boobooday]

126. Oh, I'm hurting the party now

I think I did point out the flaw in the OP argument. Claiming victimhood is not a good strategy for proving one is the best candidate.

This poster posted the same argument on another thread, almost exactly, if not exactly the same, and I responded there.

[dogday]

127. I posted why be an ass when you could be a democrat....

I think I know which one you picked.. Best of luck with that... :hi:

[boobooday]

128. Really?

Does a democrat accuse another democrat of "swiftboating?"

:hi:

[dogday]

129. No, but a Dem can point out that sometimes

we need to chill out... Nobody is swiftboating anyone.. God, I hate that word and I wonder why we as Democrats would even use it.... :shrug:

[boobooday]

130. Now we've made a circle

The point of my post, which seemed to anger you, was that the Swiftboat term is ridiculous and not even appropriate.

The original poster is using it all over the board.

Why get so angry with me?

[dogday]

131. Angry, no not at all

Just trying to be a friendly reminder we all will be in the same boat soon...

[boobooday]

132. Ahem.

You called me an ASS!

:rofl:

Friendly reminder!

:rofl:

[dogday]

133. No, I said I think I know which one you are

but never did I say you are an ass, that would be against the rules. I said you can either be an ass or a Democrat... You must make that choice and ye shall be known by your actions....


Silly you :rofl:

[Mezzo]

149. I guess it takes one to know one. Telling.

[dogday]

156. You ought to know....

It takes one to reconize one.... That is telling....

[Name removed]

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[MethuenProgressive]

14. thanks for the kick!

:yourock:

[Zueda]

3. Have the Clintons apologized for anything?

ever?

[MethuenProgressive]

50. See post #11. cali says they apologize all the time.

:yourock:

[rodeodance]

157. The OP is about BO--stay focused please and stop the distractions.

[Zueda]

162. My point is quite relevant to the OP...

If you are seeking a pure hillary love fest you should perhaps try somewhere else like taylor marsh's site.

Or you could just simply add me to your ignore list. It will not bother me a bit, honestly.

Otherwise, you will just have to deal with it.

[peace13]

4. I wouldn't' bring up apologies if I were you.

I didn't hear Hill say one word to the soldiers that she demeaned in Bosnia. They risked their lives to keep her safe and she lies and lies and lies about the danger they put her in. She also owes every soldier an apology for pretending to be in the danger that they face every day. Really, let's get on with life, move forward and stop crying about who hurt whose feelings. We have people dying in Iraq so that we can fight about *hit. Very disheartening.

Edited to add that I love the way that Obama takes responsibility for his staff and his campaign. That is just what we need in the WH.

[Mezzo]

138. How can they have risked their lives if there was no danger, these soldiers?

you can't have it both ways.

[book_worm]

5. Well talk when Hillary apologizes for endorsing McCain over a fellow democrat and her other kitchen

sink tactics.

[peace13]

7. Ouch, I forgot about that one! n/t

[rodeodance]

12. you still are LYING.

[book_worm]

42. where's the lie? she said that she and McCain were ready to be commander in chief

but not Obama. Commander in chief is the president of US if you didn't know. That in my book and many other people's book was an endorsement of McCain over Obama. Now tell me where the lie is?

[Just-plain-Kathy]

52. ....Or her IWR vote. Didn't expected Bush to go to war -my ass.

PNAC.

[redqueen]

6. Thank you for posting an example of what grown ups do

when they are confronted with evidence of wrongdoing.

Hillary, take note.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. Speaking of grown ups, I miss John Edwards.

x( I guess I won't ever get over him being shoved aside. :shrug:

[redqueen]

55. Eh...

Politics down here has always been a full-contact sport. I was pissed when it happened, but I got over it pretty quick. Gotta keep your eye on the ball.

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. I know, I know.

:-( I will vote for the Dem nominee no matter what. Can't have McSame in the WH!

[redqueen]

58. Aw...

:hug:

I don't know if I will... I always have, even though I'm in TX sooooo... yeah.

If we're anywhere near purple I will. But if not I may just make a statement and vote Green. :P

[karynnj]

108. Now - I could see Gore or Kerry being the grownups

I know Edwards used that in one debate when Clinton and Obama went after each other - but though he tried to look choir boy innocent, he had been the one to go after the others the most in earlier debates. Nothing Obama has said comes close to Edwards calling HRC corrupt and saying at another time that she had no conscience.

[NashVegas]

59. Odd, Though

That Obama's huge fanbase didn't get the message that such things were untrue and inappropriate, and continued to spread the false and malicious accusations, when normally every day's new talking point gets posted and reposted relentlessly.

[redqueen]

62. Both fanbases do it. Now back to the point of how the candidates THEMSELVES

deal with stuff like this...

[northzax]

84. they fire the person involved in race-baiting?

they continue to admit to starting the fight anytime someone asks them to comment? when they make grand speeches on race, they add in "and hey, you know, it's easy to use race as an issue, my own campaign did it, and I apologize for that"

or they issue a short apology and continue to make the same case, over and over and over. whichever.

[redqueen]

86. Admit starting the fight?

Really?

[northzax]

92. in the OP, Obama admits that his people

made a big issue out of these things. so yes.

[redqueen]

96. Uh, he admits they made a list. Also "made a big issue" is not "started the fight"

Careful, remember... words matter.

Also, I may just vote for McCain! So don't be mean! :P

[northzax]

107. yeah, you'll vote for McCain when the Gooners win the Champions League

nice try though :)

[redqueen]

121. Haahahahaha...

Hey!

:P

[NJSecularist]

9. What a joke to call this swiftboating. n/t

[rodeodance]

15. Being calling racist While BO let it happen --was Involved in it--sure ranks

up there swiftboating!

[karynnj]

112. No way!

First of all, "using the race card" does not mean that the Clintons "are racist". Second of all, the memo contains the Clinton statements that people can read and decide for themselves.

This is ONE memo written by a staffer - where no one has yet to show many anything that wasn't said as written vs a multimillion dollar character assassination of a man that completely contradicted a spotless service record.

[Mezzo]

136. that's bullshit, and you know it. Using the race card is just that. nt

[PoliticalAmazon]

155. Again, HRC's camp uses another vile Rove/BushJr campaign tactic...

...One of the worst of the Rove/BushJr campaign tactics is the one where they would accuse BushJr's opponent of something, when the opponent was innocent of doing it and Bush Jr was actually the one doing it.

Keep it up, Hillary. Make sure ALL voters realize that voting for you would be the same as voting for Bush Jr.

[bunnies]

10. Please point out the apology for switfboating the Clintons.

I seem to be missing it. In fact... I dont see the words "apologize", "sorry" or "swiftboat" in what Obama said at all.

[leftynyc]

20. I didn't hear the word endorse

come from Hillary's mouth regarding mccain. Do you really want to go there? I'm so sick of both sides right now, I could spit.

[cali]

11. Hilly has had to REPEATEDLY apologize for the disgusting

race baiting of her surrogates. duh.

[MethuenProgressive]

60. Link?

Was it in a debate after being caught sending out a memo plotting to Swiftboat herself on race in SC?

[cali]

67. here's where it started

hilly's first go at race baiting. Who would believe that her NH co-chair was just speaking on his own?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/clinton-apologizes-to-obama-for-drug-comment/

The Clinton campaign has race baited repeatedly and they're still at it. That's why she's losing. Disgusting and I'm so sick of your nonsense about Obama being the one who race baited.

[MethuenProgressive]

77. Billy Shaheen never called Obama a drug dealer.

From the Obama Camp's memo plotting to Swiftboat the Clintons on Race:

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regret The
Comments." The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama's having been so open -- as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further
queries on the matter. It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way." ABC News, 12/12/07

And then Obama Camp pushed this to "prove" the Clintons are racists.

[karynnj]

115. Where does the Obama camp use the word "racist" if we are being so literal?

The point is that Shaheen made a comment that could be considered to fit the form others may say ( *** the lie they want to spread ***). It is true he never said anything about Obama selling drugs - but the point of those comments is to get that message out.

[Lannigan]

101. Every drug dealer I've ever

known or known of - not that I've known a LOT - has been white - here in PA, up in NJ, and in NY, where I had a lot of friends of ALL races who dabbled "socially". I don't know how this is race-baiting, except that people jump to conclusions.

[mkultra]

109. your confused

[PoliticalAmazon]

154. My brother was a meth addict, and his dealers were white. n/t

[rodeodance]

13. REC for the truth.

[MethuenProgressive]

28. Thanks!

:hi:

[SeaLyons]

16. Great Post....

Gets a big K&R

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

29. Thanks, cricket!

:hi:

[InsultComicDog]

17. JANUARY 12 and 15 and you're STILL whining about this?!!

[MethuenProgressive]

27. The DUbama meme that Obama didn't Swiftboat came up again despite this apology after getting caught

It's like Obama supporters have some kind of block to anything but puppies and rainbows.

[InsultComicDog]

68. Where do you get "swiftboat" out of this?

I see a memo that has a few things taken out of context put together by his SC campaign. Something worth apologizing for, as Obama did, but a ridiculous thing to still be talking about.

[MethuenProgressive]

100. Rove hit Kerry on his military cred, Obama hit the Clintons on their cred with the AA community.

Identify your opponent's strongest point and turn it against him/her.
Axlerod is a big fan of Rove.

[karynnj]

118. Had Rove hit Kerry on his military credentials

just by taking comments made that would have been far fairer than the SBVT. The fact is that there are not a whole lot of comments out there that Rove could have used - in fact there are NONE without taking them out of context. Now, had Rove run against the fact that Kerry protested in 1971, it was part of his biography - and in fact he gave his service and protesting one sentence each in his convention speech and in stump speeches. There was no reason it couldn't be addressed and answered honestly. That wasn't what happened - they lied about his service.

The Clintons hurt themselves by raising the issue - if they hadn't there would have been no comments to use. Did Obama hypnotize Bill Clinton and force him to say things he did?

[Mezzo]

147. Bosnia was ten years ago, what's your point? nt

[Name removed]

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[butterfly77]

19. What if they did...

it can't compare to the shit she and her camp have been puttin out there..

[MethuenProgressive]

56. You mean, like calling Obama's campaign a Fairy Tale?

Oh wait, Clinton never said that. Obama's Swiftboat lied to you!

MediaMatters debunked the Obama Camps wild claims about the words "fairy tale"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040001

Matthews mischaracterized Bill Clinton "fairy tale" quote
Summary: Chris Matthews asserted that former President Bill Clinton "made a series of remarks about Barack Obama that turned off many Democrats and may have helped galvanize black voters for Obama." Matthews then aired an abbreviated clip of Clinton's January 7 comments, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," leaving out his preceding comments in which Clinton made clear that he was talking about Obama's statements regarding the Iraq war and not Obama's campaign.

[mkultra]

110. i heard those remarks first hand

And this is exactly what shut my door on hillary. Whatever he said after the fact does not change what he actually did say. Which was that the the "whole thing is one big fairy tale"

[MethuenProgressive]

145. You're a victim of Obama's Swiftboat. You can become better informed if you want.

MediaMatters is not lying. See post 56.

[easy_b94]

21. I should Swift kick you in the.......Be easy

[ProSense]

22. Still posting this BS spin, huh? Here, spin this:

The series of comments Clinton critics’ cite began in mid-December, when the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, Bill Shaheen, speculated about whether Obama had ever dealt drugs. In the final days of the New Hampshire campaign, however, the discomfort of some black observers intensified as Bill Clinton dismissed the contrast between Obama’s judgment on the war and Clinton’s as a “fairy tale” and spoke dismissively of his short time in the Senate. And the candidate herself, in an interview with Fox News, stressed the role of President Lyndon Johnson, over Martin Luther King Jr., in the civil rights movement.

“I would point to the fact that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done,” she said, in response to a question about how her dismissive attitude toward Obama’s “false hopes” would have applied to the civil rights movement. “That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it and actually got it accomplished.”

more

Bill Clinton Accuses Obama Camp of Stirring Race Issue

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: January 24, 2008

KINGSTREE, S.C. — Former President Bill Clinton defended himself Wednesday against accusations that he and his wife had injected the issue of race into the Democratic presidential primary in South Carolina, and he accused Senator Barack Obama of Illinois of putting out a “hit job” on him.

Scolding a reporter, Mr. Clinton said the Obama campaign was “feeding” the news media to keep issues of race alive, obscuring positive coverage of the presidential campaign here of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

“They know this is what you want to cover,” Mr. Clinton told a CNN reporter in Charleston, in an apparent reference to the Obama campaign.

“Shame on you,” the former president added.

more

Videos:

• Clinton on Obama 'fairy tale'
  
  
• http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/23/14417/7638/731/434555">Hillary to Obama: 'Shame on you'
  
  
• http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/28/151833/251/473/443966">Bill Clinton on Barack Obama
  
  
• Hillary Clinton Addresses Nevada Caucus Lawsuit
  
  
• http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01/audio_listen_to_bill_clinton_alleged_that_he_personally_witnessed_vote">Bill Clinton's Claims of Voter Suppression
  
  
• Bill Clinton gets upset with CNN reporter
  
  
• http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/065200.php">Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
  
  
• Hillary On Obama's Copying: Change You Can Xerox
  
  
• Hillary Reiterates Criticism of Obama's Ties to Wright

Hillary shills are still pushing this false claim: Obama was the first to play the race card

More facts:

Look at the dates in this memo:

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

(Here is a link)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was obviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.

Asked for evidence of the Obama campaign's role in fomenting the controversy, a Clinton aide cited a staff memo, leaked to political blogs, that compiled quotes by Clinton and her allies that seemed racially insensitive.

link

So after injecting racially charged comments into the debate and accusing Obamas's campaign of race baiting, Hillary's campaign's proof is a memo written after all her campaign's deliberate race baiting, which has continued:

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

What now?

Hillary's top donors threaten Pelosi: Endorse Hillary's view that elected delegates can abandon Obama or we're pulling our money from the party.

Which leads to:

the Clinton moment

by kid oakland
Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 08:49:09 PM PDT

<...>

Conclusion

This is, for all of that, a Clinton moment.

I find myself, as a Democrat, leaving the California Party convention with huge respect for every last Democratic activist. I was floored by the new energy and the youth energy present in San Jose. I think a great deal of that energy comes from Obama's campaign in 2008. But, clearly, Senator Clinton, for as much as the facts on the ground and the party leadership have lined up against her, has the bedrock support of some of the most experienced activists in the Democratic base.

Obama and the Party need every last one of those activists. Dailykos does too. And we need them sooner rather than later. There is so much at stake in 2008. There's too much at stake to be divided going into Denver. My concluding thought coming from San Jose is this. Obama needs to solidify his coalition. He needs to win over doubting Democrats and include those who have yet to feel fully included. To win, Barack Obama will need every last experienced activist the Demoratic party can muster and those experienced activists need feel utilized and included as respected equals.

Senator Clinton is in a powerful position. Her supporters are among the best activists the Democratic Party has. I do not doubt that every last Clinton activist in the party will work for the nominee. The question is when that will happen, not whether they will support the nominee. I like and trust Clinton's activist supporters. These are good people who deserve our respect. If Clinton continues down this path, her choice will shape our party's chances in November up and downticket. Bill Clinton famously told California Democrats to "chill out." I don't agree. Jerry McNerney and Charlie Brown can't afford to chill out. Scott Kleeb and Darcy Burner and Larry Kissell can't afford to chill out.

We need to come together. We need to get on the same page. We need to get positive and stop fighting each other. And at some point, Senator Clinton will have to make up her mind. If she chooses to be divisive, we have to resist the urge to be divisive to her supporters in return. They aren't Hillary, and we need every last one of them.

Standing in the midst of Senator Clinton's sign-toters I felt at home. These were Democrats I recognized from the fight to defeat Richard Pombo in CA-11. These were party activists I'd worked with before. I do not doubt for one second these folks will be fighting John McCain in November.

My biggest question is when do we start.

That's something on all of our minds. It's something that Senator Clinton has a powerful say over.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. Does Spam spin?

Thanks for the kick!
:yourock:

[ProSense]

32. Did you watch the videos of Bill and Hillary being disgusting? n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

37. Your links try to put too many cookies on my hard drive, what are you up to?

[ProSense]

41. After all this time you don't know. Here:

run your mouse over the hyperlinked text and see the scary links! :scared:

You're so disingenuous it isn't funny!

[MethuenProgressive]

46. They all lead to your own posts? Are you *that* desperate for someone to read them?

Maybe you should try the lounge for awhile. They're like wicked nice and friendly.

[Name removed]

47. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[karynnj]

23. A memo listing Clinton comments is swiftboating???

Somehow listing things that the Clintons and their surrogates actually said is not equivalent to the unprecedented media condoned Character assassination that Kerry experienced. They are not even in the ballpark.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. read the story in anti-Clinton HuffPo

In part:

The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

In private say one thing pushing the lie that the Clintons are racists, in public deny it.
The two faces of Barack Obama.

[karynnj]

104. still not the equivilent of the multimillion dollars behind the

absolute lies that the SBVT put out.

Also "Using face for political gain" does not equal racist.

[karynnj]

106. This is still not the equivilent of the multi-million dollars put behind the SBVT

lies. The charges were not of the same magnitude and not provably false. There were plenty of people independent of the Obama campaign that thought the Clintons were raising the issue of race. The statements they collected were actually said. The only thing in question is whether they were race baiting - and people can decide from the comments themselves. I am not saying the memo was commendable - I am saying that it is very very far from swiftboating. There are not even any lies!

Also "Using face for political gain" does not equal racist.

[Name removed]

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[maximusveritas]

25. When are you going to apologize for attacking Michelle Obama's appearance?

Let me guess: never.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. Shouldn't she go first?

But she's likable enough, I guess.
Thanks for stalking me!
:yourock:

[Name removed]

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[MethuenProgressive]

26. Looks like the 'flame up this thread so we can get it locked' o-mail went out...

I'm glad our mods are smarter than you.

[ProSense]

31. Oh BS. Your OP is a distortion and you're trying to

pretend it isn't

[rodeodance]

33. Oh BS

[ProSense]

36. Oh no, BS "Xeroxing."

The joy of watching Hillary's campaign implode and the deepening denial of the spinners is so worth it!

Looks like she might lose PA.

[rodeodance]

64. BO xeroxing at the debates: " I agree with Hillary"

[ProSense]

71. Do you agree with her about ducking sniper fire in Bosnia? n/t

[rodeodance]

87. You can start your own thread if you want to change the topic.

[MethuenProgressive]

91. Wait for it, she'll link to her own old thread about it...

Ever since the Three Threads (Bless you, admins!) A Day rule that's been her MO.

[rodeodance]

95. yeah--I know those hillary hate links!

[MethuenProgressive]

34. Thanks for the kick, but I never click on links from people I don't know. Sorry!

:yourock:

[rodeodance]

35. :-)

[ProSense]

38. Another kick

to show your desperation.

It's embarrassing!

What does Richardson know that you don't?

[MethuenProgressive]

39. Thanks! Made it to the GREATEST page! (eww lookit alla HillHate threads!)

:rofl:

[ProSense]

44. "the GREATEST page" is where stuff like this thread belongs

Dishonesty should be exposed, not hidden.

[Mezzo]

148. It what it takes to get them through the day. nt

[anonymous171]

40. boo-hoo. If Tonya Balboa can't take hits then she shouldn't run for president.

[MethuenProgressive]

43. You're a riot! Thanks for the kick!

:yourock:

[InsultComicDog]

69. lol @ Tonya Balboa name

[MethuenProgressive]

97. If Hill's Tonya that makes BO Nancy Whyyyyyyyyyyyymeeeeeeeeee?? Kerrigan? It fits him.

He probably has the outfit, too.

[rodeodance]

73. You do know that it BO who first started the Tanya Harding crap!

[DerekJ]

48. The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

:rofl:

That's the problem was taking Hillary as a role model.

:rofl:

[Skwmom]

51. This is the DUMBEST spin. So making a list of Clinton Camp comments/

and manipulations is now "swiftboating." The Clinton Camp must really think people are stupid.

[MethuenProgressive]

53. If it's so "dumb" why did BO apologize, promise to stop, and promised his surrogates would stop?

:shrug:

[JayFredMuggs]

61. You really need to try to grasp at a bigger straw

He said that type of behavior, (on the part of his staff) was not acceptable.

I Wish Hillary had said the same about Bill and Geraldine.

[MethuenProgressive]

65. Yes, he apologized. So where do the Clintons go to get their reputations back?

How can they recover after the smear campaign by the Obama Camp?
And if Obama wins because of Obama's deceit - can he be a legitimate candidate at all?

[ProSense]

70. Obama did what a presidential candidate and the next president should do: show class. Also,

what reputation

The race and gender baiting by Hillary's camp aside, what about Hillary's lies?

Is the perpetual denial a prerequisite for supporting Hillary?

[MethuenProgressive]

74. Another link to one of your own posts? Why are you spamming this thread with your old posts?

Want me to go give them a sympathy kick?

[ProSense]

79. Again:

What reputation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Z9o37FQI4&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/85359/24244/36/488126



Don't be afraid to watch!

[MethuenProgressive]

83. more spamming

Have you ever read the DU rules? Calling people liars, spamming, stalking.. I mean geez.. please, respect Skinner's site, a little, if you can.

[ProSense]

88. OK, I get it: in your mind anything that debunks your distorted version of reality is spamming. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

89. You're very transparent. You're trying to flame up the thread to get it locked.

God BLESS you, and God BLESS the United States of America!
I have ALWAYS been proud to be an American!

[ProSense]

99. The mods don't usually lock discussions, that's what this is, a discussion:

you presenting your distortions and me responding to them.

[redqueen]

66. Okay, I'll take a crack at this... did Obama call it "swiftboating"?

Cause that's what's giving so many people an issue, is your framing.

He apologized for his surrogates using crap like that. Something we have yet to see Hillary do. Telling, that.

[MethuenProgressive]

72. Did Bill Clinton ever say Obama's campaign was Fairy Tale?

Did Billy Shaheen ever call Obama a drug dealer?
Did Clinton ever say JFK gave hope but was assassinated?
Is the word "cocaine" racist?
Did Clinton ever insult MLK ? Say LBJ was a better man? Insult Nelson Mandela?
Did Bill Clinton ever say Obama was just another Jesee Jackson?
----
80% of this board thinks all those things are true.
That's how Swiftboating works.

[redqueen]

76. Don't know...

I think a few of those were insinuated more than said outright. Like the "...as far as I know" thing. Plausible deniability.

ALL politicians do that, and it's not swiftboating, it's smearing. If you think drawing attention to the insinuations is 'swiftboating' then I don't know what to say to you.

The difference between these two politicians is how they handle the stuff when they're called on it. Remember when Clinton's campaign was screaming for Powers' head, and they got it? Remember how not even a month later Bill was out talking about how people shouldn't be so silly and he didn't believe that people should be fired for these things? (I think he was thinking more about Ferraro than Powers, bless his little heart.)

[MethuenProgressive]

78. MediaMatters debunked the Obama Camps wild claims about the words "fairy tale"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803040001

Matthews mischaracterized Bill Clinton "fairy tale" quote
Summary: Chris Matthews asserted that former President Bill Clinton "made a series of remarks about Barack Obama that turned off many Democrats and may have helped galvanize black voters for Obama." Matthews then aired an abbreviated clip of Clinton's January 7 comments, "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen," leaving out his preceding comments in which Clinton made clear that he was talking about Obama's statements regarding the Iraq war and not Obama's campaign.
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Now you know.

[redqueen]

82. Uh... I guess you missed the part where I said they all do this kind of crap?

Again: what separates these two politicians is the way they deal with being called on it.

Hillary denies and tries to spin her way out (that's how I remember it, I couldn't just brush past the little girl, I was sleep-deprived...)

[ProSense]

85. Who cares what Matthews said? The video of Bill's full comment in context is clear! n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

90. Thanks for calling MediaMatters liars!

I'm sure it means a lot to them!
:yourock:

[ProSense]

94. That's in your head, but you must know they are biased when it comes to the Clintons

Here is Media Matters covering for Hillary's blatant NAFTA lie

They were funded by the Clintons

[redqueen]

98. Whoa... they covered up her NAFTA lie?

Wow... that says a lot.

[MethuenProgressive]

103. Not in the real world. They exposed the lies being told about the Clintons by the Obama Camp.

:hi:

[MethuenProgressive]

102. more spamming with links to your own posts

Does anyone ever read them the first time you post them?

[mkultra]

111. negative

watch the clip yourself.

[MethuenProgressive]

116. You're calling MediaMatters liars too?

Wow.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

75. this is BREAKING NEWS! Good Find!!! oh, january. well, good try.

[MethuenProgressive]

80. Yep, January! And DUbamas are STILL claiming it never happened!

I'm not sure where their heads are, but it must be dark.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

124. ha! good one. what...wait...incoming...duck & roll, everybody....SNIPERZ!!!!!

[rodeodance]

81. OP does not say that--are you illusional?

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78. this is BREAKING NEWS! Good Find!!! oh, january. well, good try.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

122. sniff. you won't even get to see me cry now.

[ima_sinnic]

105. gee, how did I miss you when I put together my Ignore list?

*click*

problem solved!!

oh, but one last word: if HRC would drop her delusion that she has a prayer of winning the nomination and gracefully concede, she wouldn't have to worry about being "swiftboated," now, would she? (and if what you cite as "swiftboating" is so "injurious"--she can't be very tough, eh? is that all it takes to get, well, at least her supporters if not her, whining and crying, sheesh, what are you going to do when the mud REALLY starts flying?

if by some chicanery she were to be the nominee, you'd wish this WAS "swiftboating"! this would be like a thousand kisses compared to what the dittoheads, boortz kool-aid drinkers, moranic pinheads, and bush-loving rove-ass-kissing skumballs would come up with.

boo hoo, crybaby. sheesh, get a grip. no, better, GET A LIFE.

on edit, meant to say: if she would gracefully concede, all that great "swiftboating" talent could be aimed at the one who deserves it--mccain--but she's so busy tearing the party apart with her ridiculous, hopeless, delusional campaign, we have to waste energy pointing out her very obvious flaws and weaknesses, just as in any campaign. but you already knew that, didn't you? as if you could care.

[barb162]

113. This is Obama's modus operandi time and time again.

When he gets caught, he does a half-assed apology.

[barb162]

114. K&R

[dchill]

117. "ICKES PUSHING WRIGHT WITH SUPERS"

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/01/848529.aspx

How is the truth hurting YOU, today?

"Look what the Republicans did to a genuine war hero," Ickes said, in a reference to John Kerry.

"Super delegates have to take into account the strengths and weakness of both candidates and decide who would make the strongest candidate against what will undoubtedly be ferocious Republican attacks," Ickes continued. "I've had super delegates tell me that the Wright issue is a real issue for them."

How is the truth hurting YOU, today?

[jillan]

125. And you can be sure that Obama's people are pushing Bosnia with the Supers.

It's what campaign managers do.

[ericgtr]

119. Has Hillary ever apologized for anything, I mean ever??

Hillary supporters = nothing is ever good enough for us, do as we say, not as our leader does, ever. She is a mean and terribly unlikable woman who would never apoligize for fucking anyone. Do not expect any sympathy for that tyrant.

[MethuenProgressive]

146. See post 11. cali says she apologizes all the time.

"She is a mean and terribly unlikable woman who would never apoligize for fucking anyone."

You've been conditioned to think that way by years of RW propaganda, recently echoed by the Obama Camp. Please, become better informed.

[ericgtr]

152. Give me a real life example then

I believe what I choose to believe, not what I am told. Try it sometime, then you may actually see that your candidate has zero chance of winning this election.

[intaglio]

120. Why don't you try and find out what "swiftboating" is.

and then try and stop digging through the cesspit of past Clintonian accusations and fabrications make your attacks.

Currently the tatics of the Clinton "supporters" is

1) Mention Rezko whenever Hillary's fundraising is questioned
2) Drag up Wright whenever Hillary's experience is questioned
3) Howl "swiftboating" whenever an attack is made on Hillarity
4) Scream "lies" to distract from the inability of Hillary to put together a coherent campaign

[MethuenProgressive]

134. Here is what Swiftboating is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5353261&mesg_id=5353806

[DemGa]

123. BO did quite a slick dance around this one

I've read it a few times over -- this guy Obama displays an artful ability at sidestepping. Slick BO.

[Mezzo]

135. Is this true?

This isn't a spoof or anything?

[JVS]

137. I thought you guys claimed the Clintons were tough.

Can't they handle the heat?

[JoFerret]

139. Obama should stop with the race card stuff

Maybe he will now.

[stevietheman]

140. April Fools. n/t

n/t

[rodeodance]

144. only in your mind

[workinclasszero]

141. Aww..poor Hill and Billl

:nopity::nopity::nopity:

[indimuse]

143. again..thanks :)

:wtf::nuke::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

151. You're welcome! It's great Obama apologized for Swiftboating the Clintons!

:toast:

[Infinite Hope]

150. First, it's his campaign not him. Second, it's true. n/t

[madrchsod]

153. he should resign

[durrrty libby]

158. BO ain't the Messiah ....Fools. Just a run of the mill politician

A lightweight who still lies about smoking. Fraud through and through

[amelia]

160. Good post! Actions of supporters reflect back on our candidates

"In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously,"

Rec this

[futuro]

161. Good observation

It is very different to honestly apologize, and doing so only when caught and having no other choice.