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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:54 AM
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90% of GDP are Obama supporters
That means we ought to be seeing about 9 pro-Obama and anti-Clinton threads for every pro-Clinton anti-Obama thread.

These little Clinton "surges" that we're seeing from time to time are obvious and stupid. Clinton herself already lacks all credibility, must her supporters follow suit?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:56 AM
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1. and you know this percent how?
I am not saying I know you to be wrong, but I would like some evidence of your claim.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:58 AM
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4. I could see 60%....which woiuld mean 30% would be Pub Ops..but I could be Wrong
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:37 AM
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15. there was a poll last week, it showed 90 to 10 approximately
and that's about right for GDP.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:42 AM
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22. at the height of the Hillary boycot
and BTW self selected samples aren't polls.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:15 PM
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44. DU IS self selected
:wtf: :rofl:

as for the boycott...:rofl:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:03 PM
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57. Even without the lame-ass "boycott", he still gets 90% support here.
During the boycott, he got 92% support, to be precise.

So for all the huffing and puffing those "boycott DU" Shillbots did, they apparently only represent 2% of the votes here at DU. Wow, big deal.

:rofl:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:50 PM
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83. Hillary boycotted GDP?
I didn't even know she was here. I gotta log on more often.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:31 PM
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78. Any other questions?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:33 PM
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79. Your very own link says 81% not 90%
you underestimated Clinton's support by about half.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:35 PM
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81. I didn't underestimate anything, because I didn't estimate anything...
... You just asked how does one know, and I provided a way. I didn't agree or disagree with the OP.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:56 PM
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84. I had assumed you were backing him up
sorry. Clearly you actually proved him wrong.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:05 PM
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87. If you call a self-selected sample "proof". But substitutue the poll's numbers for the OP's...
... does the OP's basic point change?
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:57 AM
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2. Yeah, they should all go away and come back to DU and the Democratic Party
after the general election. Who needs the votes of such stupid people?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:58 AM
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3. Not yet enough like a church here for ya?
btw, how do you know what percentage of posters are for what candidate?
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:01 AM
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5. You mean Obamacrats haven't yet run off everybody who disagrees with them?
Horrors.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:30 PM
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65. Yeah, you poor poor little hilary victims.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:03 AM
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6. It seems obvious to anyone looking that this forum has turned into
an infested cesspool, rivaling just about anything I've seen on the internet. That it is still billed as "democratic or progressive" is mind-boggling. No amount of complaining will stop it. No amount of "let it sink" or "not this time" will stop it. The admins could stop it, but they won't for reasons surely I cannot fathom. Reasonable posters could stop it by refusing to respond to the flamebait, the lies, the outrageous, the smears, but evidently that isn't going to happen either.

It is a shame because the format in which this MB was created is one of the easiest to read/search/post of any I've seen, but the content makes it unbearable. Many have already left, for more progressive pastures. I won't be posting here anymore until Obama has been declared enough of a nominee to satisfy the "powers that be" and the infestation has been removed. Although, one wonders - especially when reading about the 'old days' of DU and comparing it to what it is now - if it can ever return to what it once was.

There are other forums out there that do not condone or tolerate what goes on here. Instead of complaining, vote with your pocketbook and your support, or lack thereof. :hi:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:18 AM
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9. Clinton supporters = infestation.
That's a new one.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:46 AM
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25. Sadly Accurate However
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM
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29. You miss the point about elections.
The objective is to get people to vote with you.

It's really a pity that we can't get more republicans to act like this - it'd improve our odds.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:49 AM
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27. sadly, no it's not
I've seen it used before.

Another similarity to the brownshirts.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:52 AM
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31. The people who tag threads with LET IT SINK are part of the problem, not the solution. {EOM}
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:06 PM
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42. I have often wondered why there are so many pro Clinton posts...
around here when every poll taken here shows an overwhelming majority for Obama.

The Clinton campaign is well known for it's dirty tricks. Maybe this is another one. They might have invaded this forum with pro Clinton insurgents in an effort to disrupt things.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:40 PM
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95. Start noticing how many either joined after Iowa or have disabled profiles to hide
the fact they joined after Iowa
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:18 AM
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104. It is clear disruption. They are sock puppets and volunteers
the level of disruption is disturbing. When comparing the straw polls to the amount of Obama hate still present on DU it is clear that there is only a small minority of Shillbots wreaking havoc.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:55 PM
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54. reasonable people cannot stop it
Let it sink would not work even if universally applied (although it seems to work with my OPs). Take the OPs numbers and assume that there are 2,000 people who post here on a regular basis. That means 200 of them are Clinton supporters. As such, they have enough numbers to K & R all kinds of dreck to the front page, the greatest page and the top of the page.

For example, back in February, the simple one line OP "How many think there IS something cultish about the Obama campaign" quickly got 70 or 80 recs.

Thus, I think it is better to answer even the worst smears with logic and facts. Not that it will convince some of the dogmatic, but at least it's there for the record.

This almost goes back, however, to the "should we have Republicans on this board" argument, where most people agreed that they come here to get away from rightwing nonsense. I guess I prefer an open discussion. If this board only allowed universal agreement, I would have gotten the axe a long time ago.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:13 PM
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68. Have fun over there.
You and the rest of the DU disgruntled should be very happy at the cesspool you just joined.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:16 PM
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76. For example: The Obama holding the door for Hillary post.

That is an example of a post that should have been deleted immediately but was not.

It's that kind of garbage that makes me spend less time here too.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:51 PM
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90. "return to what it once was"... ??
seems to me these battles have always popped up from time to time. this is one of the more intense ones though. Reminds me of when we used to beat up on the Nader supporters here. Race, religion, athiesm, gender, sexual orientation... there have always been battle on DU. We're not a bunch of lock step freeping Neocons afterall...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:50 PM
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100. yes, Positive Hillary threads get "infested" with BO fans who crap on them.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:14 AM
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103. I agree. Time for DU admin to step up and endorse Obama to end the nonsense
and purge the irrational Obama haters from this forum
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:04 AM
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7. Unlike national Democrats, who are more like 45% to 55%.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 11:06 AM by onehandle
DU in No Way mirrors reality.

So the Clinton supporters should shut up? How Sig Heil of you.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:04 AM
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8. I think it's more like 2:1 or 3:1 based on our highly scientific polling
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:20 AM
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10. most (not all) of the GDP posters
are anti-Hillary, not Obama supporters -- there is a difference.

Now would be a good time for someone to start a new democratic-meeting-place forum with the charter that DU once had before the invasion of the so-called Obama people which has ruined this forum and suggests the end of DU as it was originally designed and known.

I never thought I would see a democrat (yes Hillary is a democrat) bashed with such outright hatred as displayed on GDP and now it is being taken to the point where the Obama crowd wants to ban from the forum anyone that supports Hillary (yes, it has been suggested several times about me (and others)).

The shark-jumping was when the OprahBama's suggested WE (whoever the f that is) do something to cost Hillary her seat in the senate, ruin her career and get her banned for politics.

The bright side for me ... is when McCain hands Obama his A$$ on a platter in the GE and makes complete fools of the dems, particularily the super delegates that will have made the decision to go with a loser.


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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:36 AM
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13. It should never, ever be acceptable here to WANT McSame to win.
I don't want Hillary to get the nom but should the worst (to me) happen I WILL vote for her in Nov.

STOP with the vile hatred that would lead you or anyone to WISH defeat on any Democrat.

ENOUGH.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:30 AM
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11. For someone with such a cool name, you post a not so cool OP.
I don't have a pick, but I do believe when all is said and done Obama will win. Having said that, I still believe that the rules say 2025 is the magic number and it is yet to be reached. There is a reason for that. Since that number has not been reached, I believe that Clinton has every right to stay in the race. She has put in the time and energy, money, blood, sweat and tears literally. By our rules, she has every right to see this to the end.


At the end of the day, I do believe Obama will win it and we all need to rally around him and beat that old bastard McCain....
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:33 AM
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12. If it's so 'over' why don't you and your chums just go to the beach and quit wasting time here?
Huh? Huh?

:)

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:03 PM
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56. LOL, couldn't have said it better.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:37 AM
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14. Keep this shit up I'll vote McLame
That is no shit. You think you will force feed Obama to us and the primaries are not over? Phuq you, what if something even more damaging comes out about him? We only have Hillary running until the contest is over. I ahve supported her from the getgo and will not be bullied by you Oompa juice drinkers.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:38 AM
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17. See post #13.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:40 AM
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19. Hey RememberWellstone, remember Wellstone and vote for the democrat.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:41 AM
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20. BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN
Why the HELL would you do that?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:41 AM
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21. you make yourself look selfish and ridiculous
This election is a lot bigger than you or I. It's about real lives of real people. That's why no matter how much disgust I have at some of the vile lying hillbots, if Hilly gets the nomination I will vote for her. Get over yourself.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:42 AM
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23. well it is about Hillary
Person over country, right?

:sarcasm:
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:00 PM
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37. No kidding - seems even the country will get thrown under the bus for HRC.
Threatening to vote for McSame reflects poorly on one's psychological stability.

Not voting at all is certainly an option - but so-called progressives threatening to vote Repub are either suffering from mental illness or else are in desperate need of attention.
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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:18 PM
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45. Really?
But how many here at DU Obamabots hava already committed not to vote for HRC should she be the nominee? Their immature,disrespectful attitude towards Hillary is despicable. They often times reduce her to an ugly slime which I detest so much so I'm wiling to give my vote to MaCain just to spite them. I will hold my nose and vote for Obama but this Obama children needs to stop. Theyre not democrats.
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:30 PM
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47. My point stands for both sides.
Anyone on DU threatening to vote for McSame has mental problems or else simply isn't really a Democrat.

Both sides here are frequently disrespectful. Which side you think is disrespectful is simply a product of your bias and the relative percentages of each side's supporters. If you think Clinton supporters aren't disrespectful then you have your head in the sand. He's been accused of smoking crack, being Muslim, etc HERE on DU by Clinton supporters.

That said, I wouldn't malfunction to such a level that I would vote for McSame because I have enough emotional intelligence to realize what is important - this country. If Clinton is our nominee then I will vote for her. I'm not so intellectually broken that some fools on the internet will cause me to change my priorities so that I can "spite" someone.

Anyone who puts "spite" before the whole damn country needs serious help.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. What part of, not bullied
do you not understand? Don't want my vote? Fine, sink it because I support Hillary, go ahead dare us to keep our word in the GE.

These bullying tactics are idiotic.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:50 AM
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28. What's idiotic is any dem voting for McCain
You aren't fit to bear your screen name if you'll vote for McCain. And you'd fit in to freeperville just fine. Why not just go there now?
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:54 AM
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32. Better plan: You leave
Until this becomes Obama Underground and not DEMOCRATIC underground I will stay. Why don't you juice drinkers go and start your own worship board for the great Savior, then you can walk around like lemmings waiting on the call to jump. Suck down every little hope or change speech he vomits out.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:58 AM
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35. I don't care which DEMOCRAT you support
butif you're planning to support the repuke nominee, you're at the wrong website. I'm not the one who's said they'll vote for McCain. You are. YOU are the cultist koolaid hilly acolyte. Me? I vote for the dem.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #28
33. Stop daring people to become republicans.
The democratic party isn't your private club.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. She announced her plans to vote for McCain before I addressed
her. And sorry, this is Democratic Underground, not McCain Underground.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Re read. She announced frustration with Obama's supporters - not plans.
... frustration which I share.

For me, McCain isn't an option, but if you push hard enough, there are democrats for whom he is. Stop pushing.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. Well said.
This is not a cattle drive and I will not be bullied.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. Keep it up.
You are pushing Hillary supporters away and to think you can win the GE without us is plain stupid. You cannot take for granted ANY democrat vote. Calling my candidate a liar, bich, thief etc..does nothing to bolster your candidate.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. Obama is such a poor candidate, people will start seeing through his BS
Maybe not around here so much, but in the voting booth.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
48. go ahead dumbass
vote for McCain. But don't come dragging your sorry ass in here complaining about President McCain afterwards. You won't have that luxury.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Obama sucks
How does that feel? These bullying tactics do nothing positive for your candidate, I suggest you act like him more and less like yourself.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #51
58. at least i'm not threatening to vote for McCain
if i don't get my way. THAT'S bullying. I'm just pointing out that if you vote republican out of spite (or at all for that matter), then you have no business being here nor any room to bitch and moan if you don't like the way he runs the country. Deal with it. And lastly, a lecture on "how to act" from YOU?

It is to laugh.....
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #24
62. Take bullies with a grain of salt when their candidate is losing ground.
:)

Some people (VOTERS) are getting tired of Obama's arrogance and questioning his judgment, I think.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #14
26. Nobody bullied you to do anything. The feeling you are having now is a normal reaction to having to
defend the undefendable, and deny the undeniable. You have to twist facts, lie to yourself, soothe your wounds, and push against the evident at every turn. This creates the illusion that other people are attacking you or bullying you, when in reality they aren't.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. God you Oompas suck
seriously..phuq you very much for psycho-analyzing my vote. How many lies do you think it took for Obama to get hwere he is? How many lies do we NOT know about? Quit bullying Hillary supporters, we have our own choice for the primaries.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. You just proved my point
:)
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. Can you even vote in this election?
If not, stfu.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. What a predictable come back.
You know every time one of you loses an argument to me, He/ She says almost the exact same thing. Funny!!:)

On a second note, your continued rage, and inability to carry on a conversation, shows the deadlocked emotional state you are in. Your angered response shows that I hit a nerve.

Thanks for proving me right again.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. I've lost nothing to you.
And can you vote in this election? Are you a secret voter?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:13 PM
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67. "I've lost nothing to you." , "Are you a secret voter? "
Childish!!
:rofl:
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. make up your mind
You make a statement then act like you did not say it? Who is the child here?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:54 PM
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73. Make what statement?
Care to elaborate?
:think:
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. The little ball moves fast
follow it to the best of your ability.:rofl:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. Incoherent?!!
:shrug:
I really don't know what statement are you talking about.
I am just about to prove you wrong look:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


I have more little laughing smilies than you :P So I must have a more valid argument.
Pfffft
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #26
34. Are all people that bow before a 'monarch figure' prone to such pop psyche as you are?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:04 PM
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41. the use of 'monarch figure' is lame attempt to explain why is your candidate losing, which again
proves my point. You are trying to create a group reality that doesn't exist. I have seen some of you still believe Hillary didn't lie about Bosnia, and it was all a big conspiracy against her. The pilots, the girl, the news anchors with her, are all liars.

:)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:19 PM
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46. But you have no point, the "use" of the term 'monarch figure' is meant to address...
your profile status as Canadian...you cannot possibly be that dense oh right, right...you're a BO supporter :spray: :thumbsup:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:07 PM
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60. Let me get it through your thick skull :)
Phrases like "the second coming", "The anointed one", and “The messiah" only serves to explain to yourselves the reason for the catastrophic and repeated failures of your candidate. You are trying to shield yourselves form the reasons of Obama's success by convincing yourselves that his supporters are hypnotized by the politician version of Ormond McGill.

The irony is that Obama's supporters are most likely to come from the more educated class (Reads: The smarter).

It again boils back to group reality you are creating to soothe the painful truth.

:)


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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:02 PM
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88. Ah, but of course, Oh Thick One, and I quote from The Oprah...
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 05:11 PM by bridgit
"I'm stepping outside my pew." "He's The One." "I have seen The Light. And it has lead me to Barack Obama!!" "The One that can HEAL the nation." And then there's your guy, standing round in shafts of klieg lights chin held high, with that far off stare like he's always posing for a bronze statue, no I'm sorry...

You need to turn that jaundiced, myopic, low-powered perception of your's back onto yourself, then cease & desist with the gibberish. Cause others have positioned your guy like the second fucking coming, and he has not done a single thing to discourage any of it

:spray:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:36 PM
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89. Oprah?!!
You don't understand religious metaphors, or are you actually saying that Oprah believes he is the "The One" (Neo?!!)

Let me know if you actually believe that, because then, I'll rest my case.

:rofl: :rofl:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:28 PM
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91. pft, you need it broken down Barny Style it would seem...
Just where has Oprah been since she positioned BO from within southern baptist strains...so as to say :shrug: I understand you're having a snit over this. Maybe comparative religious metaphors really aren't your forte; you only think they are :thumbsup: You should have been paying more attention to the process all along ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJJOtT32C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTCWgljr8tY&feature=related

"But when you listen to Barack Obama; when you really hear him you witness (ding!) a very rare thing. You witness (ding) a politician with an ear for eloquence, and a tongue dipped in the unvarnished truth. (insert no-less than benevolent philosopher-king: ding! ding! ding!)"


Yes, I know, you're unmoved by such displays. Listen to the rest of it. I know you have nothing better to do. In the end the board has already been lit up. AA's and others that attend/or have attended southern churches have already confirmed the style Oprah was employing. So we've already been apprised if many of us weren't already, that that is just the way things are.

Personally, if I were a politician I wouldn't care to be introduced as one with "a tongue dipped in the unvarnished truth" I mean come on, as that's quite a mantle to maintain, a cross to bare.

Still, if you're the last to know of such matters that's fine...just so long as you do O8)
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #91
99. I will explain

"AA's and others that attend/or have attended southern churches have already confirmed the style Oprah was employing"
"Yes, I know, you're unmoved by such displays"


Yes, because by no stretch of the truth, you can deduce that his supporters are treating him as the "Messiah" from any of the evidence you have provided. Speaking in religious tone has always been Oprah's style. Every celebrity that has endorsed Obama has introduced him in a way that is most prevalent to their life experience.
Oprah!! That’s what she does for living.

In all cases speaking in a religious tone to someone or about someone has never ever been taken as a sign of elevating someone to any special religious status.
If I said: "Johnny has been blessed, and his soul was touched by the Lord", I didn't just make Johnny the Messiah, although those phrases were taken right out of the Bible.

Now let’s turn to the sentence that bugs you the most:


"But when you listen to Barack Obama; when you really hear him you witness (ding!) a very rare thing. You witness (ding) a politician with an ear for eloquence, and a tongue dipped in the unvarnished truth. (insert no-less than benevolent philosopher-king: ding! ding! ding!)"

You are not just reading too much into it, you are reading stuff that doesn’t exist.

Hosea 5: 8-9:
8 -9"Blow the ram's horn shofar in Gibeah,
the bugle in Ramah! Signal the invasion of Sin City!
Scare the daylights out of Benjamin! Ephraim will be left wasted,
a lifeless moonscape. I'm telling it straight, the unvarnished truth, to the tribes of Israel.”


The title of Hosea 5 is:
They Wouldn't Recognize God If They Saw Him.

If I am not mistaken, this is where the buzz started. Connect the dots, and it becomes evident how the story was spun to indicate that Oprah was insinuating that Obama is the God they wouldn’t recognize even if they saw.


However, the phrase “unvarnished truth” has gone mainstream probably since the release of the “The Message” version of the bible. It has been used since its inception to describe the integrity of the statements of a person. Nonetheless, the phrase itself has nothing to do with the title of Hosea 5. It is speaking about “Ephraim will be left wasted, a lifeless moonscape.”

Oprah is simply speaking in a religious tone. There are no subliminal messages, and no one can ever deduce from listening to her speaking, that she is sending such a message. Not unless you are looking for something to spin.

You see, when you hate someone for no particular reason, it’s really easy to entertain gossip and rumors about that person, because you want to believe it. You want to find excuses to trash him.
And by that I rest my case.



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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #99
102. hahahahaha, whatEVER!!
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 04:31 AM by bridgit
you got nothin, which is prolly a good thing a good thing cause you can't vote here any-whoooooooo :spray: :patriot:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. Hillary's leading nationally over Obama; they're pissed he's gonna lose.
Quinippiac poll today. Hillary will be the nominee.

:) :)
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
98. The poll from Mad Magazine agrees with you.
:evilgrin:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
70. We know. You have been saying this for weeks now.
:hi:



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
85. The thread is stupid, but don't compound it by being stupid yourself.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 04:10 PM by Forkboy
If you let ANYONE online affect your vote it says far more about you than any Obama supporter. :shrug:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:46 PM
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97. Let me get this straight. You are threatening us that you will become a repuke?
A potential enemy of the Dem party is here on DU? I guess you don't care if you get TS'd. Welcome to my ignore dungeon.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #14
105. If you do, you will only be hurting yourself and your children. Stop
acting like a five year old.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:37 AM
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16. your # would seem to prove just how proactively segregationist DU is in spite...
of all protestations to the contrary, good job :thumbsup:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 11:40 AM
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18. Obama supporters are just to classy to keep up with the heinous negativity of the obamahaters
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:01 PM
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38. Clinton's supporters *should* be working harder, because she's behind.
There's plenty of room here.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:07 PM
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43. Thank you. Spoken like a true Obama supporter of unity
and changing the way politics are run. You can be proud of your true belief in Obama. I lack credibility, and yet my fingers are not pointing like yours are.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 12:33 PM
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49. Yes, it looks that way....
DU has definitely embraced Obama....

One year in the Senate - that's cool!
Rezko - Cool
Wright - Cool
Speech against the War - Cool
Hope - Cool
Voted same as Clinton - Cool
No foreign policy experience - Cool
Healthcare Plan that leaves people out - Cool
Copycat Economic Plan - Cool
Typical White People - Cool
Throw Grandma Under the Bus - Cool
Give America a speech on Racism to end his problems with Extremism - Cool

I'm sure you can add to the list of his accomplishments.

Damn, all these "stupid" Clinton supporters on DU just need to go away. Obama will win the general election on the same free pass he's been given up to now. :sarcasm:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:04 PM
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59.  Yep, Obama can't fool all the people all the time, can he?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 01:23 PM
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64. BTW, where did you get that statistic?
Do you waste your time counting threads or posts or something?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:16 PM
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69. And you call this Democratic Underground! Hilarious.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:50 PM
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72. just wait til their paychecks bounce nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:12 PM
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75. and you come to that conclusion how?
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:25 PM
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77. DU in general, or GDP itself, are not even close to 90% pro-Obama
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 03:30 PM by Awsi Dooger
You have to be mathematically clueless to accept that, let alone write it. This place won't deviate substantially from any societal norm, whether it's income level or gender breakdown or age bracketing or you name it. It will err toward the internet deviance from the national percentage, but that's about it. An open society of 100,000+ is representative by definition.

Some will assert that Obama as the more progressive candidate grabs a massive atypical share since posters on a site like this tend to be more liberal than Democrats in general. Let's just say I'd thrill to wager against them, if we had a secret ballot of every DU member. Or even every regular GDP poster. It would be far more balanced than anything that appears on these laughably low attended polls. Wagering on Hillary to do better than anticipated in a widespread DU poll would be a simple pickup, similar to taking her to win CA and OH at even money.

It's a 1 or 2 point race nationally in popular vote and you're asserting 90/10 here? LOL. No wonder we have so many simpleton projections of landslide, winning red states right and left.

It's simple to chortle when your team has a clear path to victory. That's similar to late in a sporting event when the always-brilliant "overrated, overrated..." chant shows up, diminishing your own accomplishment by mocking the opponent as less than advertised. And that's all I see from Obama supporters here, a comforting release of me-too euphoria, bashing Hillary and pretending it's feel-good necessary before the clock winds down. Democrats haven't been flooded with winners the past few decades so it's natural not to know how to act.

And the Hillary supporters stay away, partially stunned and partially not wanting to subject themselves. But it's high hilarity to understate their sum.

I'm wrong 44-45% of the time in Las Vegas. It's been that way for 20+ years. So I'm hardly running away when I'm wrong again. And BTW, wrong in a sporting sense is verified by field performance, points on a scoreboard. This is nothing similar. It's simply majority opinion, and opinion doesn't always attach to astute judgment. In the NFL draft we can see Team A pass on one player but he's taken by Team B, and you follow the careers to determine which opinion was correct. Here we have nothing of the same. There won't be parallel Obama and Hillary presidencies to evaluate.

DU opinion matched the primary voters, placing weight on speeches and vague call for change, and eager to punish anyone who voted for the Iraq resolution. I think it was inept handicapping, that either Hillary or Obama will win in a pro-Democratic year but Hillary and the '90s economic clarity would make the superior president. My instinct the previous cycle was fairly decent. In '03 and early '04 I posted Kerry was "just good enough to get you beat."
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:34 PM
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80. It only proves
Obama supporters are more in tune with the Bush followers... No one speaks ill of of the smiling idol and lives ha ha ha.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:05 PM
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86. Your post is obnoxious and does nothing to help DU or Obama.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:29 PM
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92. Do you feel comfortable being with the "in-crowd"? nt
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:31 PM
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93. Some of us don't post much.
Why add to the fray? I only post when I have something positive to say about the campaign I am working for.
Otherwise, I only answer other's posts.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:38 PM
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94. I've got 90% of Clintonland on ignore at this point
The Obama-bashing threads are still vastly disproportional.

Odd, that.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:41 PM
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96. Actually, it's somewhat nearer to 81%...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:58 PM
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101. How dare anyone
post a pro Clinton message on this board. There is a quota for undesirables.
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