Hillary's new base: The low information voter

[BeyondGeography]

Obama's Lama Problem
By Michael Bérubé - April 2, 2008, 8:32AM

Hello again, everyone. I’ve been much too busy with the day job lately, and I’ll have to put off until next week the post I want to write on Obama’s remarkable policy statement on disability (that's a pdf, btw). For now, I just want to note this little curio from today’s papers. It’s a McClatchy Newspapers item filed by one Margaret Talev, and it graces the front page of my own hometown paper, the Centre Daily Times. In it, Ms. Talev visits Hazelton, PA, which, despite being the ancestral home of Obama Girl (I did not know that!), is largely representative of Hillary Clinton’s eastern-PA stronghold. Come with us now to Jimmy’s Quick Lunch, where folks are talking to Ms. Talev about what's on their minds:

Of Obama, Duser said: "I'm not crazy about voting for a colored guy, but that's not why I don't support Obama. I'm not prejudiced. I just like Hillary."
A couple tables over, Jean Fetterman, a foster grandparent, said of Clinton: "Oh, I love her. She's a very intelligent person, and she has her husband who went through this."

She scoffs at the idea of voting for Obama: "I don't want to be a Muslim!" She looks dubious when told Obama is Christian. "Then why did he go see what's-his-name over in Iraq, that Lama?"

Well, this is really just a horrible mashup. First of all, despite the remarks of some of his more enthusiastic surrogates, Obama has not actually said that he will convert all Americans to Islam. And he didn’t go to Iraq, either. Let’s get this straight once and for all: that one time when he went to visit the llama, he wore the traditional garb of Suriname. He did it only because llamas, like illegal Mexicans, are from South America. Any politician, colored or regular, would have done the same.

Sigh. But there you have it– this is now Clinton’s base. This is why the Clinton campaign has been making such strange and credibility-destroying arguments in the past couple of weeks: because those arguments are "credibility-destroying" only among high-information voters. Here, by contrast, are the firewall voters; these are the people the campaign is talking to and depending on. People who might be convinced that Barack Arrogant Obama wasn’t really a real law professor like he says he was. People who can be convinced that Obama thugs are trying to prevent them from voting and participating in our great American democracy. People who think Hussein Obama X is Muslim and that Jeremiah Wright will burn this mother to the ground. And, not least, people who fear that Obama will turn them into a llama.

I call it “Hillary’s New Groove.”

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/02/obamas_lama_problem/

[flor de jasmim]

1. thanks for using a thread on this!

[BeyondGeography]

2. They've switched off, so I switched too

[TexasLady]

4. weird, they put it back

justtaletchaknow.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Thanks!

[BlueIdaho]

3. The less they know the more she likes 'em! nt.

[dchill]

48. And, the less they know the more they like her!

:hi:

[fadedrose]

49. That's my experience with Hillary voters...

they don't regularly watch the news and watch nothing political on TV, don't know where C-Span is on the dial, turn off the news when it comes up on the radio, may vote if they think of it - it's pathetic.

[JimGinPA]

5. Thanks Again!

K&R

[dsc]

7. so seriously

On what planet do you think this makes we Hillary supporters more likely to vote for your candidate when he wins. Do you really think that if I went to say inner city Philly I couldn't find similiarly dim voters who are for Obama?

[BeyondGeography]

9. As long as his campaign does nothing to manipulate them it shouldn't bother you

And when Hillary says things like "He's not a Muslim...as far as I know," you should understand why articles like this resonate with us.

[dsc]

12. oh please

she said he wasn't a Muslim three different times in that interview. Talk about manufactured outrage. Oh, and on the subject of manipulation, all the crap about how evil it was to say fairy tale, comes to mind.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Perception is reality...the Clintons have squandered a mountain of goodwill in the black community

Obama didn't have to lift a finger to exploit their many missteps, and he hasn't.

[dsc]

19. sure

Look your guy won but frankly I all but hate his guts and will vote for him only because McCain would be such an unmitigated disaster. He, and his supporters, both here, and in the real world, ran a sleezy sexist campaign that exploited race. It worked. That hardly makes me happy. I just hope he isn't the disaster I think he will be.

[BeyondGeography]

21. Bill called McCain a moderate and Hillary said he's ready to be commander-in-chief

so, if it's any consolation, your candidate(s) apparently don't think he'd be such a disaster.

[dsc]

23. fine I'll vote for McCain then

happy. I mean really, is that what you want? I mean really your mother fucking candidate won. He did so by throwing gays under the bus. Be fucking glad he has my vote.

[GOTV]

86. My gay friends support Obama. n/t

[IsItJustMe]

101. Fine with me. What ever side your on, I wan't to be on the opposite, that's for damn sure.

[rodeodance]

28. That 4 page memo from the BO lelped label Bill C as racist. You proud of that?

[BeyondGeography]

33. A memo which did nothing but cite the Clintons' own statements

and those of their surrogates, and which is an inside basbeall story at best.

[rodeodance]

41. Silly---that is BO talking--do you have a reading comprehension problem?

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?


OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward

[rodeodance]

31. Here is Russert in an interview with BO on national TV--about the memo:

QUOTE
RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina -- four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have. OBAMA: And I’m sure those will be on display today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/polit...PPg1RgmjYp5ZFTw

[JayFredMuggs]

34. How many threads is two month old news going to be posted on today?

Do you have a link to the four page memo and proof Obama wrote it?

TIA

[rodeodance]

37. Gee---why did BO say what he did to Russert?--BO said he regretted it: and Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5353261&mesg_id=5353261

[Drachasor]

59. At least Obama regrets his mistakes

You can't say the same for Hillary who, as far as I can tell, has made many more.

[rodeodance]

64. You are making ASSumptions about Hillary with no basis in facts.

[Drachasor]

67. At least Obama can publically regret his mistakes

That better?

[rodeodance]

65. And Bills reputation?---(BO camp doing the race-basing)--it was a horrible

thing that the BO camp did!

[Drachasor]

69. Bill said some legitimately outrageous things

Many people were upset by them without any work by Obama.

That said, Hillary and Clinton have made horrible mistakes of their own, and yet they don't admit their mistakes or regret them publicly, even when confronted about them.

[Alexander]

82. Shillbots can't stay on topic. The OP is on to something. They're clueless and uninformed.

[grasswire]

20. just stop it.

Stop it now.

You are damaging the Democratic Party with your disinformation.

[slinkerwink]

47. exactly

[thereismore]

8. They have been her biggest strength. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. They have indeed. As evidenced by the callers to talk radio who

scream like Chris Crocker at the hosts because they dare not support Hillary.

[Skip Intro]

10. Hillary voters are racist idiots - this cowardly blogger should just come out and make the claim.

There is your hope. There is your change. Just words.

And you can keep them.

[Blondbostonian]

14. I look forward to you supporting the Democratic candidate come November.

[Skip Intro]

25. I will vote my conscience in Nov, thanks.

[Alexander]

84. If your "conscience" can't trouble you to vote for the Dem nominee, then you don't have much of one.

[Skip Intro]

85. Oh hey you, wanna apologize for calling me a liar now? Third time I have asked.

This goes back to that thread where I said careless words from Obama sparked riots in Pakistan. You called me a liar. I then provided proof and asked for an apology. Last I heard from you. Not really someone to be lecturing on conscience, are you?

Btw, since you are dying to hear it, it seems, no, I will not vote for Obama in November, should he win the nomination. I may talk further about that with you when you apologize for wrongly calling me a liar.

[Zhade]

89. Since it'll be Obama, I'm thinking that won't be a problem.

NT!

[Pawel K]

15. Hey, as far as I know she's not a racist

;-)

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. You tell us.....

"Of Obama, Duser said: "I'm not crazy about voting for a colored guy, but that's not why I don't support Obama. I'm not prejudiced".

Most truly enlightened people don't have to make such declarations.

[redqueen]

13. Oh my!

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

16. It's the Stupidity, Stupid

I've gotten people to change from Hillary to Barack in 10 minutes or less when I tell them a few details, like the war... they usually don't even think she voted for the Iraq War.

[anonymous171]

32. That's why it's LOW INFORMATION voters and not working class or dumb

[terrell9584]

22. an attack on working people

people who may not have had the oppurtunity to go to college or even the best schools, public or private. People who actually are part of the America that is struggling.

God forbid that their vote might be equal with all the Harvard grads who apparently know what is better for us than we do.

This is why the GOP was able to make the gains that they did, because working class voters were tired of being talked down to, and the GOP convinced them that they respected them and didn't look on them as a lower form of life (even if they proceeded to wreak havoc on their economic interests)

The reason that we lost in 1972, 1980 (though we still did real well in the rural South. No one brings it up that Carter's strongest regions were the NE and the South that year), 1984, and 1988. We lost because we lost these "misinformed voters". We won at least half of them in 1976, and a good many of them during the Clinton years.

These are common people and you need common people to win elections. Not everyone can be like a philosopher, some just get by the best that they can.

You even see it in the coverage. Somehow, the Obama campaign is the campaign of hope. It's so wonderful that students are coming out, apparently he energizes the young. When they talk about Hillary and whites, it's always about working class whites, and they always make it a point to say that all the college types and wealthier ones are with Obama and the stiffs with Hillary, or another way to put it, the "betters" are with Obama, the "clods" are with Hillary and why won't they just listen to our judgement because we know whats best for them and they don't.

It's just this kind of piece, obviously written by an Obama supporter that will cause him so much trouble in the fall.

You are not going to win over working people by calling them ignorant and exhorting them to follow their betters, you're just not. This is why Obama is getting massacred in the ultimate blue collar state of all, West Virginia

[BeyondGeography]

24. They're just being exploited by filthy rich people who won't release their tax returns

Don't kid yourself.

[JayFredMuggs]

40. Exactly TRUE! eom

[cali]

26. Working people won't be able to afford milk for their kids by the

fall. They won't be voting for McCain. I don't think you understand how serious this economic downturn is.

[terrell9584]

50. uh I understand

But a few things. First, this is not a monolithic country. There were areas that made out fairly well in the Depression, some that got decimated, and some that were so so.

The same will be true for this one. I also am skeptical of whether the next President can fix the economy. It could be fixed, but then again, it seems as if we are so far down a rathole because we now have an economy that is combining elements of 1979 with 1930. What we really could be electing this year is a Herbert Hoover. And if you dont follow that. From 1900-1912, GOP White House control (well, extended before 1900, but I am making a point), then Woodrow Wilson, then 12 years of GOP rule, then the Depression.

It is kind of a false parallel, but a point is there. And as much as the New Deal helped the country, all it really did was to stall the situation. It essentially saved American capitalism and the American system and it prevented the rise of either socialism or fascism (the assassination of Huey Long certainly helped). Roosevelt essentially quieted the masses. Even so, tenant farming increased in the South each year, and would keep increasing until WWII. WWII caused a labor shortage alongside a huge demand for war time goods. That was the engine that pulled us out of the depression.

Reason where we are now is because we are imitating LBJ fiscal policy of cutting taxes, increasing spending and funding a war even as the economy goes into a tail spin.

And the economy in the country had gone to shit pretty convincingly in 1972, Nixon still won. They painted McGovern into a corner. The economy was even shittier in 1976, and yet the man who pardons Nixon beats almost wins. Without the work that Charlie Daniels, Lynyrd Skynyrd and every country star did throughout the south, Carter never would have been President. And it was even close in the South. And Carter only won one state west of Texas.

Then again, I'm not so sure if anyone can fix where we are, cause I get the feeling that it may have to bottom out (just like the Depression) and I get the feeling that it may very well be a depression. We have stagflation, combined with a credit problem, a huge national debt, etc.

If we're headed where I think we are, it may be too late. Hoover certainly committed misteps, but he probably couldn't save it because it was systemic and it had been building for decades. There had been a depression decades earlier and the 70s would have fit along that scale, but thanks to policies instituted in the New Deal, it never went that far. Therefore, there is a need for the system to have a shock, but we have prevented it and not only prevented it, but provided, with a few blips, a quarter century period of economic expansion. (By strictly economic terms, Bushs economy only started really collapsing last year, though signs had been there)

And also, the fact that the inflation between now and 1933 means that all these safeguard limits set in the 30s are now meaningless as the real value of those amounts has been in decline.

We are in the perfect setup. And we actually were in the perfect setup in 1928. As early as 1927, there were those who saw it coming, just as we see the drumbeat now. We weren't able to exploit it in the states that were having hard times in 1928, so that is just a thought.

[anonymous171]

27. Actually it's an attack on stupid people.

There's a difference.

[thoughtcrime1984]

63. Well, I have yet to achieve my college degree, and apparently am a working dumb stiff.

So, "Clods for Obama" it is! :rofl:

[Bake]

90. I have a B.A., M.Div., M.B.A., and J.D. and I support Hillary.

How the heck can THAT be? Aren't we all supposed to be uneducated dumbasses?

Bake

[Eric Condon]

73. You're the one who introduced "working people" into the equation.

The OP article didn't say anything about the "working class" - just about misinformed, ignorant voters. You're the one assuming such people would be working class.

This has nothing to do with Obama supporters being "Harvard grads." You don't have to be college-educated to have intellectual curiosity and be interested in issues, ideas and FACTS. The fact that these people are buying into ridiculous "Muslim" smears and using the word "colored" is nobody's fault but their own.

Your supposed defense of "working people" is actually just a way to once again bring up the idea of Obama supporters as being "privileged, latte-drinking trust-fund" kids, or whatever. That's not only condescending, it's ageist, because the not-so-subtle insinuation is that "kids" don't have "real concerns." I'm a college grad, but my background is VERY working-class, and it was a point of pride for my parents to be able to send me to college and give me opportunities they didn't have. It's not just "Harvard grads" who are supporting Obama - it's also people who like candidates who have integrity and who are actually going to fight for progressive causes.

[leftynyc]

29. This is really stupid

I could use the argument that Sen Obama's support seems greatest in the inner cities - you know the same places that the news was saying has a 50% dropout rate for high schoolers. Do you really want to go there?

[BeyondGeography]

30. And Obama is spreading falsehoods about Hillary to secure their votes how again?

As in way to miss the point of the article.

[leftynyc]

36. A four page memo on how the

Clintons are racists for starters. How about how Rev Wright insulted her at the pulpit? Is that not enough for you? This whole line of argument for both sides is moronic.

[BeyondGeography]

43. A factual memo composed of the Clinton campaign's own statements

and a pastor in a church. That's supposed to compare with Billy Shaheen (drug dealing), Bob Madrassa Kerrey, Andrew Shuck-and-Jive Cuomo, the imaginary hip black friend coment, Hillary's clumsy-assed MLK metaphor, Bill's repeated attempts to make Obama a symbolic candidate, etc.

Yeah, it's moronic alright.

[dchill]

46. You must really have no idea...

what "moronic" means. Read this thread again, please. Then again, if necessary. As Hillary sez, "Let's get real."

[uponit7771]

56. SEE!! You make the OPs articles points. Did you EVER look ANY of that up? Can you source that ...

...information and verify the articles assertions?

[woolldog]

61. Wright didn't insult HRC at the pulpit.

Give me a break. Everything he said was true.

Wright's remarks about Clinton:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4805737136221962023

[JayFredMuggs]

38. AND Obama's support is greatest in COLLEGE TOWNS

Where more people have more education.

But I won't go there!

[leftynyc]

44. No - he does well in college towns

but his strongest support is in the inner cities.

[IronLionZion]

53. Yes, the inner cities in Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, etc.

Ghetto fabulous bullshit.

[leftynyc]

72. LOL - When was the last time a democrat

won in those states? How about in states where we tend to win - New York, PA, NJ, CA? If you want to continue the bullshit that stupid people are the only Clinton supporters, knock yourself out - I always suspected that unity thing was just bullshit to fool the masses. Both our candidates are weak and are going to need the supporters of the other in order to win. You're doing a terrific job with that. I'm sure Sen Obama would be proud.

[Eric Condon]

74. Yup, because states like NY and CA are going to up and turn Republican if Hillary's not the nominee.

:sarcasm:

[IronLionZion]

77. Because their votes were not for Hillary, it was against Obama

their deep, passionate hatred of Obama will make the bluest of blue states go red for McCain. :sarcasm:

I love Hillbots, they make me laugh.

[leftynyc]

79. Not those two but please look

at the polls of NJ and PA - states we should have no trouble winning. And forget the swing states, I'm worried about states that Sen Obama shouldn't have to spend any money or time in (unless it's a fundraiser). Go sarcastic all you like - I'm worried about an election where we have to win. All I see here is supporters of both senators screaming past eachother rather than trying to convince eachother. Every vote is going to be needed because it's going to be another really close election - those who think otherwise are fooling themselves. I have no idea how sen mccain got the mantle of moderate - probably because the right wing wackos can't stand him - but he pulls a lot of independent support away from the democrats.

But, by all mean, keep the screaming alive, continue to berate and insult the supporters of the candidate you don't like. It's helpful, really.

[jillan]

35. Excuse me?

[backscatter712]

39. Gotta love the Archie Bunker demographic...

I swear, this world needs more Meatheads...

[Cali_Democrat]

42. Not all of her supporters are "low information voters," but many of them are

Kinda sad really. This is why Billary was using the race baiting campaign. It really works in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania. There are many low information voters there. If you look at the stats, much of Hillary's support is from uneducated blue-collar whites. It's no secret that many of those people are low information voters. Hillary is trying to appeal to these folks, the lowest common denominator if you will.

[dchill]

45. My wife works at an elder care facility ...

in western PA, and a co-worker said yesterday that she wouldn't vote for Obama because he "confessed to Rev. Wright that he wanted to wipe all the white people off the face of the earth." She also said that Hillary was the one that said this. My wife & I decided that this co-worker probably had never even registered to vote, but that's the kind of thing that's going around "in some circles" in PA. And yes, my wife DID set her straight about her "misconceptions."

Not that it did any good. Congratulations, Hillary.

[City Lights]

51. George Bush went after these low-information voters too...you can

fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.

Yet another thing Clinton has in common with Bush. :puke:

[SeaLyons]

52. Obama supporters...truly Uniting the Party

Oh yes, your post is such a contribution to the democratic party.

Thanks for posting.

:sarcasm:

:applause:

[George_Bonanza]

60. Says the person whose candidate is basically relying on dumb racists to steal the nomination

[rodeodance]

66. And here is BO admitting his camp played the race card!!:

QUOTE
RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina -- four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have. OBAMA: And I’m sure those will be on display today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/polit...PPg1RgmjYp5ZFTw

[anonymous171]

75. No. That's not what he said. And no one cares anyway.

[SeaLyons]

68. ..

Dumb racists??? I really doubt that the millions of people that have voted for Clinton are all dumb racists.

[lumberjack_jeff]

76. I had a longer reply. It had lots of big words. I erased it.

Think really hard. Really, really hard.

How are those "dumb racists" going to steal the nomination from you?

a) by voting
b) I dunno. Something else.

[EmilyAnne]

54. These are two people. Its not good to make assumptions about Hillary's entire base

because of two interactions. Some Obama supporters think that Hillary Clinton personally killed Vince Foster. There will be low information voters for every candidate.

[uponit7771]

57. true, I just don't run accross to many conservatives or too many HRC supporters that have done their

...homework and I feel they both come off as people excluding facts and nuance all together.

The whole NAFTA issue before OHIO is a great example.

I believe the whole Rovian tactic used for the benefit of Bush was based off the fact that people don't do homework or verify claims.

[uponit7771]

55. This person has more 'gumption' than I, I feel a good portion of HRC supporters sound like cons....

...because they're uninformed and spoon fed.

It blows me away at the number of people who wont think for themselves on issues.

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. They should be easy votes to get, don't you think?

I mean, these humble, simple folk probably would never question the idea that "universal optional healthcare" doesn't make much sense.

[anonymous171]

71. What if the repug told them that if they didn't buy it they would get their wages garnished?

Yeah. She may win them in the primary, but she would lose them in the GE.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

62. Man, that is powerful stupid.

[mudesi]

70. Same as the Republican base. How fitting. (nm)

[Not the Only One]

78. Yep. Hillary and the GOP exploit the ignorance of voters for their own selfish benefit.

Instead of seeing it as an opportunity to enlighten the ignorant, Hillary and the GOP feed that ignorance, wanting it to grow and grow. If they can make these people more racist, more xenophobic, more Islamophobic, they will because it's good for business.

[hedgehog]

80. I really don't see the resemblance at all.

Obama:




llama:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

83. Obama has bigger ears.

:P

[quantass]

81. LOL --> "Colored"? -- "hey pa, i think that coloreds' on the t.v. 'gain"

+1 for another unbiased voter at the booth.

[joshcryer]

87. If voters were deciding on policy decisions, then they would vote overwhelming for Hillary.

Her policies are superior to Obama in every way.

[gmudem]

96. Policies like supporting the use of cluster bombs?

If Obama really wanted to end this shenanigan, he should just talk about that and Hillary would be toast.

Just show that and the clip of her talking about how great and amazing Wal-Mart is.

[VolcanoJen]

88. Well, that explains a lot.

It especially explains why arguing with Clinton supporters over facts is so maddening.

[KaptBunnyPants]

91. Stupid people, corpocrats, and feminists.

And the only reason she has the feminists is because they think she's tricked the first two groups.

[Lugnut]

92. That's my town

And that's the absolute truth because I've heard local people say it. Acquaintences who've said it are not as tuned in to politics as I am but it's appalling to me that they actually believe this tripe. When I debunked one man's comment that Obama doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel with the question, "Where's yours?", all I got was a dumb look. And these people vote.

[Cha]

93. hilary and bil must feel right at home..

[FrenchieCat]

94. I was saying the same thing here just the other day......

It is a shame, nothing more, nothing less.

[jackson_dem]

95. Classism: another rethug feature of "progressive" Obama's "unifying" campaign

Democrats have always been the party of working folk. Maybe the "change" Obama is talking about is making both parties the toys of the affluent and kicking working folks to the curb

[gmudem]

97. Did I miss the part where the article mentioned class?

Or is somebody just being a little paranoid. Not to mention I don't think the OP has anything to do with the actual Obama campaign.

[jackson_dem]

100. Read the thread and read the board. This has been a common feature of Obama's "movement"

Come on. This isn't the first time Obamites displaying classism. Go search any thread with the word "working class" in it and read the replies from Obamites to "explain" why Obama loses working folks. If you ignored the name "Obama" you would think you were reading rethug comments because what Obamites say about working folks is exactly what rethugs have said about working folks since the beginning. We have been the party of working folks from 1796 (or 1828 more specifically) up until now. Let's "hope" this is not something that "changes"...

[Moochy]

102. Latte Liberal Marin Hot Tub Cultists!

Driving Volvos and casting asparagus at filthy old racist hillary supporter grandmas who are confused about colored people.

[Moochy]

98. deflection: a feature of every one of Jackson dims posts

[lligrd]

99. Not Working Folks, The Ill Informed

Lots of us Working Class people are Obama supporters.

[SeaLyons]

103. ..

:toast: