At what point did you really turn on Senator Clinton?

[Seen the light]

Since DU is overwhelmingly anti-Clinton now, I thought it would be interesting in finding out when exactly that turn happened.

So...when did it happen for you? For me, despite all of her shady votes in the past, I didn't truly turn on the Clintons until after some of the despicable actions by them and their surrogates in South Carolina.

[LSK]

1. probably 3 or 4 years ago

DU has always been anti-Hillary. This is nothing new. Its just intensified now.

Her IWR vote and refusal to own up to it has always given her a bad name here.

[Seen the light]

6. But not to this extent though

I don't recall there being this HATRED of her like there has been lately.

[LSK]

9. she wasn't running for President before but the DLC was always hated here

[EFerrari]

2. When she tried to tank Tasini instead of running against him. n/t

[Debi]

3. 1996

Personal story that I'm not going into here, but it's been THAT long.

She never had a chance w/me.

[polpilot]

7. 1992

[Debi]

24. Ha! You win n/t

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

4. IWR non-apology, cluster bombs for kids, Kyl-Lieberman, that 3AM crap.

[here_is_to_hope]

5. Never liked her as a candidate and after the first few months

I needed to hear nothing more...

[ClassWarrior]

8. Actually, she's been turning me on for years...

:evilgrin: Okay, not me necessarily, but Michael Moore for sure.

I was excited by her Senate win, but I'm extremely underwhelmed by her Senate record. So I've never been thrilled by the idea of her as our candidate. That said, she'd be a million times better than John McBush.

NGU.

[screembloodymurder]

10. Never, I just heard Obama speak and liked his message.

It's not about Hillary. Never was ...

[DJ13]

11. I was never a Clinton supporter, not a single time

(ahh, memories)

Nope, never voted for Bill as I always saw in him the very same Republican policies I wanted to get away from after Reagan and Bush Sr..

Cant see that Hillary would be any different, especially when the almost the entire premise for her "experience" relates to when Bill was President.

[writes3000]

12. I haven't turned on her. I lost respect for her when she basically endorsed McCain over Obama.

I couldn't believe that anyone who supposedly cared about the Democratic party would do that in such a public way.

I still haven't gotten past it.

[cliffordu]

26. Yep, that scabbed it for me too.....

I cannot believe the hubris and sense of entitlement those two have....

They really don't care about ANYTHING except their 'rightful place' in history.

Too bad it's headed into the shitter by their own hand just as fast as it can go.

[SoCalDem]

13. South Carolina

That was when I realized that they were out to destroy Obama for daring to interfere with the coronation..

[book_worm]

14. I respected her until her endorsement of McCain and her kitchen sink strategy

of trying to bloody Obama and weaken him in the general election.

[Whisp]

15. the war vote.

lots of stuff after that to solidify that I was right, but that was the big starting point. (Now I'm finding out that there was quite the shenanigans while in the WH that is pretty damning, but officially I'll have to say IWR)

I will never trust her or want her in a position of power over people ever again.
I want her shamed and punished and run out of town

[Erin Elizabeth]

16. Well, first I agreed with Obama's policy positions more

than Clinton's.

Then my husband and I watched every debate. That did it. We were solidly for Obama and against Clinton after the second debate we saw. The next one just made it worse.

And now everytime we hear her, our feelings get more negative. I think the lying about sniper fire thing was the point where I actually got chilled/disturbed by her and I'm now praying like crazy I don't have to vote for her in the GE, because that would be HARD.

[ClayZ]

20. When someone embellishes the truth so often,

it is difficult to believe anything they say.

It's the boy who cried wolf story!


K and R

[redqueen]

17. I never really turned against her.

I'd still support her for the GE. I don't like some of her votes, and I don't like her centrist positions, but I don't hate her.

The thing is, during this campaign she has drenched herself in slime and muck. DRENCHED. Seriously, leaking fundraising figures to DRUDGE before you release them to the media? THAT is why people didn't react with doubt when it was alleged that her campaign sent him those pics of Obama wearing the robes or whatever. THAT is why people find the distinction of Bill not actually talking to Rush but only having his interview with a local RW blowhard so easy to dismiss. You can't set a precedent like that and expect it not to color people's perceptions. You just can't. Well, you can... but that's pretty naive.

I suspect that the way she's conducted herself during this campaign has done a lot to sour many people on her personally, as opposed to maybe just disagreeing with her on policy.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. New Hampshire Debates

I remember she had lost Iowa and she was trying to tear down Obama while praising Edwards. She was taking Obama's Reagan comments out of context. It was funny because even Edwards would have none of it.

Edwards said Clinton was on the attack now because she lost Iowa and she had never been on the attack like this before. He talked about her as the status quo candidate.

Clinton got angry, she basically snapped at both Edwards and Obama. Later she yelled out "I'M NOT RUNNING ON A PROMISE OF CHANGE I'M RUNNING ON 35 YEARS OF CHANGE!!!!"

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

19. Became disgusted

with their racist stuff that started in December 2007. It not only disgusted me, but it shamed me also. See, my family is conservative. And they've always said that democrats don't really care about minorities - they just use them to get elected. When Bill and other Hillary surrogates began the racist garbage, I realized that my conservative family was RIGHT that SOME democrats don't really believe what they say in their campaign speeches and just use minorities for their own purposes. I'm ashamed that there are people like that in the party I love. I'm ashamed that I swallowed hook, line and sinker what the Clintons had said over the years. I'm ashamed that I defended them over and over. How could I have been so blind? Why didn't I listen to Maureen Dowd and others who were more objective than I was? So, I'm ashamed of myself but I think the Clintons have much more to be ashamed of. That's my two cents.

[DearAbby]

21. Celestial choirs

The lie about Nafta, the endorsement of McCain over Obama, "as far as I know". Before that I was assured we had candidates I would be proud to vote for in November. I am sorry to say, that is no longer the case.

I would have held my nose and voted for Clinton.

The Tulza lie, was the deal breaker. We already have a liar in the white house, look at the death and destruction that has caused.

[JayFredMuggs]

75. BRAVO!

[JeanGrey]

22. The beginning was 1996. Then her war vote. But the kicker

was this campaign, starting with South Carolina. Now I am absolutely convinced the woman is power mad and totally insane. The thought of her being near the white house (and frankly, Bill too as he is going off the deep end) frightens me.

[MH1]

23. 10/31/06 - backstabbing John Kerry

I was never a huge fan but I had respect for her. Now, not so much.

[Zero Division]

77. That was a defining moment for me, too.

The worst thing about it was that she had to know that he simply botched a joke. It was such a nakedly political back-stabbing at a time when Democrats needed support for the upcoming elections. She was willing to hurt John Kerry's reputation--and the party's reputation indirectly by not supporting our previous presidential candidate--for personal gain. Prior to that I was either neutral or mildly supportive of her.

Aside from that, I've seen Bill Clinton's presidency as better than Reagan and Bush Sr.'s presidencies, but disappointing from a truly progressive standpoint. I've never seen any real indication that HRC's presidency would be much different.

But despite all that's transpired since then I'll still vote for her to defeat McCain.

[C_U_L8R]

25. The Faux Crying

It wasn't the crying itself... it was what she was saying through the tears.
It was nasty insincere manipulative stuff and at that moment
I realized that Hillary is not a good person at all. She's a phony.

[ClayZ]

29. Her tears came across as phony to me, too!

The whole "found my voice" thing seemed phony. Just saying!

Cry for New Orleans, cry for the troops, cry for the Iraqis!

K

[anonymous171]

27. The mocking.

[BeyondGeography]

28. IWR and her subsequent hawkishness

I'm one of those who believes in punishing politicians who were party to the biggest FP disaster in our history. It's also why I could never get behind Edwards. If Obama hadn't opposed the war in the explicit terms that he did, I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about him either.

Oh, and please stop talking about the "gift of freedom" we've given the Iraqis, Hillary. Thanks.

[SoonerPride]

30. I voted for Clinton on super Tuesday, but back Obama now because he is the winner

I support the party nominee and it is clear that Obama is the people's choice.

That's why.

[JayFredMuggs]

76. BRAVO!

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. When she wouldn't debate her Democratic Opponent in the 2006 race

Her opponent,antiwar democrat, Jonathan Tasini, didn't have a chance but even the NY times
said that she should have debated him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/opinion/21mon3.html

[TBF]

32. The "baking cookies" comment -

Way back in Bill's administration. I was a young working woman then, yet I was appalled that she'd choose her words so carelessly. She sarcastically replied to idiot right-wingers who were critical of her by saying "well, I suppose I could've stayed home and bake cookies" but went to work instead. I don't remember the exact words, but that was the gist of it. Although I agreed with the sentiment she was trying to express, I couldn't believe she'd express it in a way that would put down the choice of so many women who stay home with their children by choice (regardless of their past educational attainment or career history).

How about a true feminist perspective - support women to make the choices that are best for themselves - rather than knocking those who made choices that were different from your own. Arrogant and thoughtless.

And then the whole "stand by your man" thing with Bill, to further her own political ambitions. Great example for young people - completely excuse the lying and cheating (and, yes, she did excuse it by staying with him. Her behavior spoke volumes - as it does now).

[mckeown1128]

33. I never used to have a problem with her until...

She sent out that Robo-call in Nevada where it emphasized Obama's middle name 4 times in less than 30 seconds.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/010...

[On the Road]

38. I Don't Even Remember That One

but that's a pretty good reason.

[TomBall Democrat]

34. I've been FOR Obama for over a year now

But did not become AGAINST Clinton until she shook her finger and said Shame on You! like an elderly schoolmarm.

Two days after saying she was proud to share a stage with him.

The straw that broke the camel's back. 16 years of defending those two came to a crashing halt.

I see them as part of the past - part of the era of rage and revulsion.

[Ino]

35. Joining Repukes in trashing Kerry after his botched joke.

I'd already been upset with her conservative-pandering votes, and that just put me over the edge.

[onehandle]

36. Lovely. An "I hate Democrat x" thread.

How Progressive of you.

DU = Free Republic

[Lucky 13]

55. You just don't get it....

When John Edwards dropped out, I immediately was leaning towards Hillary. She had my vote. And she blew it.

She fucked it up with her own LIES and divisiveness. She made it impossible for me to, in good conscience, vote for her.

And the fact that she and her supporters won't do anything but defend her own reprehensible actions and comments make it even worse.

If you don't like the thread, then don't post here. But there's plenty of us that have plenty to say about this...

[Bonobo]

37. When she mocked him.

[hfojvt]

39. from the beginning of the campaign

When she didn't talk about any issues, just seemed to want to run on her own inevitability and collection of endorsements. Then when she finally did take a strong stand on an issue, it was to be against a "trillion dollar tax increase on the middle class" which is how she talked about raising the cap on social security.

But admittedly, although I voted for Mondale, Jackson and Dukakis, I never liked Bill Clinton from the beginning. He talked like a Republican during his campaign and I spent most of the 1990s being disappointed by him.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/74

[housewolf]

40. I still have some measure of respect for her

But I never wanted to see her & Bill back in the White House. I've never been what you could call "a Hillary supporter" so in those terms, I never turned on her because I was never for her in the first place. I'd like to see her as Senate Majority Leader, I think she could do a very good job there.

[RamboLiberal]

41. For me it was when her campaign trumpeted the silly plagiarism charge

I swore then I would never vote for her in the GE if she stole the nom. I swear so far I'd vote Dem down ticket but not her. I could possibly change my mind for good of country but I'd be holding my nose.

[Arugula Latte]

42. There were many, many things, particularly the IWR vote, but

during the campaign, the way that she kissed John McCain's ass and made the "two candidates that care about America" comment just absolutely infuriated me.

[Justitia]

43. When she viciously began to personally attack another Dem on TV & embrace McCain.

Although I have had issues w/her back to her war vote (among others), I was truly shocked the day she stabbed Kerry in the back on television over his "botched joke".

I cannot abide kicking another Dem when he is down.

But, even after that, I would still have voted for her easily. These past 6 wks has been a total 180 for me. Her actions continue to shock me.

I became FURIOUS when she issued multiple threats to sue my state party (TX) because she didn't like the outcome of our primary. Yeah, just when the Texas Democrats are beginning to solidify and gain strength, she attacks us! One of our own candidates! WTF???

On Saturday, we spent HOURS addressing credentials challenges from the Clinton campaign, trying to interfere with our voters - that is REAL DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

I used to LOVE the Clintons, especially Bill. Now they disgust me and they can't be shown the door fast enough. I consider them TOXIC to Our Party.

[irish.lambchop]

44. When she said,

"I take him at his word", and, "As far as I know." She diminished herself far more than what anyone else could.

[Coexist]

53. yes, that and kissing up to McCain over a fellow Democrat slammed a door for me.

[bunkerbuster1]

45. When my corporate media masters told me to.

Is GD-P now officially all dumb-shit questions, all the time?

Sheesh.

I'm backing Obama, but he ain't Jesus, and Hillary ain't Satan.

[mirrera]

46. The New Hampshire flier...

I knew that the Hillary Campaign knew Obama's position on a women's right to choose. I also knew that they were aware that the "voting present" in the Illinois senate was being done for a specific reason. If she had thought it was the wrong thing to do and had questioned Obama on that, I would have considered that informative, and fair game. The voters have a right to hear about those kind of disagreements. Instead Hillary's Campaign put out a flier questioning Obama's support for a woman's right to choose. Saying in effect "how can we know his stand if he voted present".

That is deliberately misleading the American citizens. I don't want to be mislead period. There is a big difference between winning and making the other side lose by any means. That is the GOP way. They have no interest in winning fairly, just not losing. How you come to power is indicative of how you will use that power.

I printed that flier to bring to my caucus, but it turned out that the support for Obama was overwhelming, in our all white, all ages, small town Maine caucus.

[damntexdem]

47. After her vote on the Iraq War Resolution.

And unlike some, e.g. Edwards, she never gave me reason to change my mind.

[Kokonoe]

48. When she became part of the Washington status quo

She knows MSM forms public opinion.
If it was on Fox news, or thats what Condi says, thats what counts.

If she had the heart of a Hillary supporter on DU, she would not be in this mess.

[Teaser]

49. I turned her on once

I was wearing these really tight jeans...and, well, things happen.

[Abacus]

50. Shortly after she turned on me.

[closeupready]

51. Honestly, when she started losing.

Though her missteps since her string of defeats have also confirmed for me that she is no more ready, maybe even less so, than Obama. I think her worst misstep was that "celestial choir" appearance.

[Lisa0825]

52. I became involved politics beyond voting during the buildup to the war.

I had supported Bill and Hill through his presidency. Then the war vote INFURIATED me. As I got more involved, I started learning about th eother lovely policies of the DLC, and my opinion of her solidified.

To me, her campaign has just been further verification of my low opinion of her.

[Lucky 13]

54. Only recently...

I was an Edwards girl. When he dropped out, I didn't know who to support and was actually a little distraught over it. As a gay, white, 30 year old female, I was told Hillary was my girl. Except for women over 50, I think I'm one of her key demographics. And I WANTED to like her. I didn't really feel one way or the other about HER in particular, but I LOVED Bill. He was the BIG DOG!!! And I ADORE Chelsea. And so I was really leaning towards Hillary.

I think her best moment occurred in New Hampshire. Those tears seemed really genuine to me and for once I saw her as a human, a woman, instead of the cold determined "fighter" image she's built up. I even felt bad for her in one of the early debates when people suggested she wasn't likeable. I thought she looked hurt. I actually felt bad for her.

But it was all downhill from there. I can't say that it was any ONE thing that did it for me, but a buildup of things in a very short period of time.

Then there was her building up McCain while condensing Obama down to "just a speech in 2002". I wasn't supporting Obama at all by that point, but DAMN that was LOW, I thought. Don't say nice things about the Republican!! Why are you tearing down the guy who MIGHT be our nominee?! And even though I wasn't a fan of Obama, COME ON... the man is not just a SPEECH. He's a U.S. Senator, a former Illinois State Senator, former President of the Harvard law review, and a long time community organizer. That doesn't count? How does that not count? Whether I vote for him or not, I certainly respect his life's work. Jesus Christ, if I accomplished 1% of what that man has, I'd feel pretty damn good about myself. So if he's "just a speech" - then what the fuck are we to her? Probably nothing. It just seemed like a cheap shot - AGAIN - and just a STUPID thing to say. But it wasn't just that...

Then she MOCKED Obama and his SUPPORTERS. Now, let me say that I LOVE the art of sarcasm. It takes some wit and cleverness to pull off well. And her attempt fell flat. It seemed condescending and harsh. I wasn't an Obama supporter yet, but MANY of my friends were and I was CONSIDERING it. Are you calling MY FRIENDS dumb, brainwashed, confused, sheeple? Who do you think I'm going to side with? The bitter sarcastic politician who is insulting my friends - OR MY FRIENDS: intelligent, caring progressives that I'd take a bullet for? Insult your opponent all day long for all I care, but you don't insult the voters! And NOBODY insults my friends. It irked me big time.

And the debates didn't go well for her I thought. She kept trying to sneak these little sarcastic jokey jabs in and they ALWAYS fell flat. "Hope you can Xerox". That wasn't even funny. People BOOED her in the DEBATES. Has that happened before? It just continued to build my impression that she's just a BITTER person and increasingly DESPERATE.

It was some point around that time I noticed that everytime she came on the TV I started to cringe. You didn't know what the fuck she was going to say next. Would she praise McCain? Would she mock Democrats? Would she backup Geraldine's STUPID STUPID STUPID racial comments? No matter what she said, it seemed to have this bitter, entitled edge to it that just rubbed me the wrong way.

Then she and her campaign and her supporters started TEARING DOWN anyone that would endorse Obama or say anything other than what her campaign wanted her to say. She started slamming people I have respected for YEARS. Dean, Kerry, Richardson, Pelosi, Olbermann, Maddow, MY SENATOR Patrick Leahy - the list is ENDLESS. IT DISGUSTED ME. And, hey dummy, like my friends, who do you think I'm going to side with? ONE politician who I'm on the fence about - or long time respected Democrats that have previously earned my vote, my donations, my volunteer hours, and my respect.

And then there's MI and FL. And then there's SNIPERGATE. And then there's the fact that she made Chelsea (WHOM I ADORE) complicit in her lie about Bosnia (I AM REALLY MAD ABOUT THAT). And then there's her part in the Wright thing. And then there's her refusing to release her tax returns. And then there's all the nasty posts in here from Hillary supporters. (I know I know it's just as bad from the Obama side, but combine that with her OWN actions and it turned me off further. The way people defended actions I felt to be reprehensible told me that her supporters and me have really different values. I don't want to be associated with that.)

After John left, she had my vote. All she had to do was play nice, not deliberately fuck over the party, and I probably would have voted for her, volunteered for her, donated to her. But her ugliness and bitterness made me notice how totally cool and calm Obama was. And he always said the nice thing. He always took the high road, making her look EVEN WORSE. The more I saw how he behaved in debates and speeches, the more I wanted to know about him. The more I learned about him, the more I liked. He talked to me like I was a grown up. His speech on race I thought was the best speech of the 21st century thus far and the most poigniant speech on race since MLK. Now, having learned so much more, I LOVE the man. Hillary lost my support for herself, but Obama won my support on his own merits.

[Blomst]

56. Thanks

Lucky 13: Thanks for expressing my exact feelings. Many of my Democrat friends and acquaintances have turned away from the Clintons and towards Obama for exactly the same reasons that you list. In fact, I don't think I know a single person who is still sticking with Hillary after her outrageous, desperate, and unethical behavior. Your letter is a good reminder of the history behind this movement away from the Clintons.

[Lucky 13]

81. I hear you. This campaign has made me question many things, including myself.

As I said in my post, I LOVED the Big Dog. I grew up in Washington DC and was in high school when Chelsea was in high school. We know some of the same people. She went through her awkward phase right after I got out of mine. I just identified with her so much and I think that was a small part of the reason why I came to love the Clintons.

But a bigger reason was Bill's 1992 campaign. I was 15ish at the time and living in a household that was EXTREMELY ultra-hardcore conservative. I already knew I was gay and that I didn't believe what they believed, but it was during that campaign that I became politically aware of my OWN beliefs. I was so inspired by him. And in 1996, at 19, I cast my very first vote for ANY candidate ever - and it was for Bill Clinton.

My parents and extended family TRASHED the Clintons on a DAILY basis. I defended Bill VEHEMENTLY. "They are not liars! They are not power hungry! They are not corrupt!" I would get really worked up and really upset.

And then in the years after Clinton, we had SUCH a HORRIBLE example of a President to compare him to, I think I really built Bill up in my own mind as this hero, this icon, the embodiment of the goodness that we had and then lost with Bush.

But this campaign has made me question everything. I've been SHOCKED at their behavior - both of them. There have been days when I have come home from work, flipped on the news and sat there with my JAW ON THE FLOOR. Partially because their actions have been downright unbelievable, but also because this question won't go away: "How could I have been so wrong?" Were they always like this? Was I making a fool of myself all those years I defended him? Has it always been just about themselves and their power? Did Bill ever REALLY care about me, about US? Or have I been suckered by them for my entire adult life?

It has shaken my belief in my own judgment and where I put my trust.

I thought with Hillary we would get a taste of the old "I still believe in a place called Hope" campaign. That's what I loved about Bill in the first place. But her campaign has been the OPPOSITE. Barack reminds me more of the Bill of old. The Bill I loved. The Bill I fought for. THE HOPE. But like after breaking up with your first love, I'm not sure I can ever look at any leader with the same untainted admiration and trust ever again.

I'm such a drama queen, aren't I?

[Seen the light]

67. Great post

Thanks for sharing.

[JayFredMuggs]

82. Now THAT was a refreshing ly honest post!

Well stated, logical, and accurate on the facts.

[burythehatchet]

89. heartfelt posts are great. Thank you.

:thumbsup:

[Bryan]

57. The quasi-endorsement of McCain did it for me

A lot of things nagged at me during this season: the robocalls trying to play up the foreignness of Obamas' name, inthe belittling remarks about Obama's South Carolina win (which I do not think were race-baiting, but were petty and classless by any yardstick), their support of the lawsuit to shut down the at-large precincts in Nevada-but the clumsy suggestion that McCain-the opposition candidate-is better qualified than Obama was staggering and ridiculous.

I don't hate the Clintons. I have great personal affection for them, and I think they have a lot to offer this country. At the same time, I am sick to death of their bullshit.

[EmilyAnne]

58. IWR, cluster bombs

[Emillereid]

59. Upon listening to her speech to AIPAC last year wherein she totally pandered to

Israel and seemed eager to bomb Iran. She wouldn't even take nukes off the table - that is not sane.

[Window]

60. For me it began with the end of the debate where she was so ecstatic

to be sharing the same stage with Senator Obama, and the next day screaming on TV, "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA... USING ROVIAN TACTICS... MEET ME IN OHIO."

Went steadily downhill from there... still rolling and picking up speed.

[The Stranger]

61. When she turned on us Democrats.

[uponit7771]

62. Combination of McCain endorsement, out of touch campaign promoting "experience" with unpopular group

...of people instead of wanting to change that gangs (aka US congress persons) attitudes.

The rest to me is secondary but doesn't help

NAFTA
Iraq vote (She could've just said Bush lied about the steps he'd take after the vote, she didn't)
Cluster bombs
Number of times she flipped on pandered issues, like McSame

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. video games.

:shrug:

[Pisces]

64. A combo of things from SC to "as far as I know"

[rox63]

65. When the Clintons sent their loyalists (Carville, Begala, etc) to backstab Kerry & Edwards in 2004

So the way would be clear for her to run in 2008. That stuck us with 4 more years of * and death and war. :grr:

[apocalypsehow]

66. The actions of her surrogates, both in the campaign and here turned me.

The description of but one small incident will suffice:

One of the more well-known HRC boosters here posted a blatant lie about me in one of her posts. I posted irrefutable proof that her claim was untrue, five different times. She ignored this, and continued to blithely post the same falsehood. I put her on *ignore*.

Now, I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me the other night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims, to wit, that I had received a "mod warning" for posting to her, and was only pretending to have her on *ignore*, was a "sick fuck" and was "stalking" her. Every single bit of which was untrue - and, what's further, the poster in question had to know that her claims were untrue. She just didn't care: there was a debate to "win" on the internet, you see (:eyes:).

Had that kind person at the other board I frequent not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, these claims would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).*

That small tale sums up the tactics of the overall HRC campaign writ large, and it really turns decent people off.

(*edited repost)

[apocalypsehow]

87. ...

[mudesi]

68. Probably the plagiarism nonsense

And the flyers I think came after that. But I think I truly began to see what a scum bucket she is when she started whining about plagiarism.

[FlaGranny]

69. I can't say I "turned" on her

so much as she turned on me. I was torn about whether to vote for her or Obama. Then I started noticing the tactics of her campaign, like have someone say something insinuating and/or outrageous, wait until Obama responds, and then blame him for starting the whole thing. It's really hard for me to believe that some people cannot see this. Geez. That's when I decided to vote for Obama.

[Vinca]

70. New Hampshire and the phony tears.

I might have believed her if she hadn't immediately stabbed Obama in the back literally seconds after the performance. It struck me then that she would do anything to win and so far that notion has been right on target.

[LiberalAndProud]

71. I lost faith at Scaife.

Rumored Drudge raport -- meh.
McCain praise -- foolish woman.
Murdoch fundraiser -- desperate for cash.
Scaife cuddle -- WTF?

Cumulative affect of being way too cuddly with the really bad guys.

[slick8790]

72. SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA!

Right around then.

[ramapo]

73. 3AM, McCain has more experience

When she went strongly negative against Obama, that was it for me. I had been fine with the prospect of her winning. I had actually been very impressed by her. She had won me over. I might've liked Obama a bit more, but either way the scale tipped was OK.

Now I can't stand the sight or sound of her. If she sleazes her way to the nomination, I guess I'll vote for her to keep Bush III out of the office but otherwise, I'm done with her.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

74. "I know Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience to the White House."

[JohnnyBoots]

78. When she submarined Gore in 2000. N/T

[meow mix]

79. Here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[Marrah_G]

80. I didn't. Nor did I turn on Sen Obama.

You don't have to hate one to support the other. You can back on Dems campaign while still thinking well of the other.

People here have forgotten that.

[Az_lefty]

83. During this primary campaign. she has totally cheapened herself.

I used to have quite a bit of respect for her, especially more than her husband. Always thought she was the smart one and had a hell of a lot more character. What she has shown during the past few months is that she is just as narcissistic as Bill. All the lies, cheap shots and more lies. There's no way I would ever vote for her.

[burythehatchet]

84. The day after she turned on me.

Actually, it was when she attempted to sing a negro spiritual. It was the most cringeworthy moment I had witnessed in a long time.

[bigwillq]

85. I've never turned on her

There are a lot of things I disagree with her on, and I don't think she's run a very good campaign but I am not anti-Clinton. I actually like her.

[BlooInBloo]

86. DU has ALWAYS been massively anti-Clinton. I used to bitch at ppl for it...

... But then she started race-baiting, so release the hounds, say I.

[Faygo Kid]

88. I think it was 1965, in the back seat of a Chevy Impala in Chicago.

At least, she seemed turned on.