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Wed Apr-02-08 02:06 PM
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Obama supporters: If Hillary "lost" your support how could she gaine it back? |
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For me it would be to change the WHOLE tone of her campaign including;
1.) Stop touting her experience with the US congress as an asset, it's not. The US congress needs to be CHANGED not just worked with, they're one of the most unpopular institutions in US history for good reason.
2.) Apologize for promoting attributes of McSame over Obama, the disloyalty and lack of character on this issue...just....
3.) Give an online check list of PROGRESSIVE promises that she's made so people can grade her against them. Obama needs this too but I'm willing to give him more of benefit of the doubt.
There are others including explaining cluster bomb vote and telling use what she'd do different so she's not "fooled" into voting against America's interest (including reading shit) any longer.
For you it would be:....?
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:09 PM
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1. Confess, admit a mistake and apologize for at least three things... |
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IWR Kyle/Lieberman and NAFTA.
And show some sincerity while doing so. A tear or two wouldn't hurt.
I would then at least respect her again.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM
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The crying comes across as completely fake to me, and makes me ill.
Just apologize honestly.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:09 PM
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2. Invent or steal a time machine... |
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...and go back in time to oppose Bush/Cheney**'s Blank Check for Invasion and their two Extreme Court nominees.
NGU.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:43 PM
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19. lol..., she'd prolly fake a video of her going back in time |
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Thu Apr-03-08 04:13 AM
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46. Oh, she'd probably just go back in time to place snipers in Bosnia. |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM
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Fool me once...
Fool me once, yer not gonna get the chance to fool me again...
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM
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there is nothing she can do ---> . <----- note the period!
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM
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6. By dropping out and uniting the party. |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:43 PM
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21. That's one I'll add to my list also, there's been a lot of damange to her character & bowing out |
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...graciously wouldn't be a bad thing
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:10 PM
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7. Honestly, there's very little... |
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And I say this as someone who started the campaign season and this year, while not being a vigorous or enthusiastic Hillary supporter but someone who really liked her and respected her and defended her from attacks and thought that althought neither her nor Obama particularly excited me in a way other candidates or political figures have, that her brand of tough approach would end up appealing to me much more than Obama's whole kumbaya approach.
Her performance this primary season has soured on me for a number of reasons. Some of them admittedly minor and petty, but many of them large and in general just indicative of the corrupt culture of washington and the inside the beltway sense of entitlement. She's not the first or the last to have this or exhibit it and she's not even the worst offender. But she's pulled back the curtain on it this primary like nothing I've ever seen. If she loses the nomination and goes back to the senate and does some really good work and takes a lot of chances and bold stands then maybe she could win me back. But I'm not going to hold my breath for it.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:12 PM
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8. Calm down her negativity |
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Certainly some attack politics are required, but I felt like she's been particularly nasty. The McCain "endorsement" drives me up the wall.
Then there's IWR, Bosnia lies, cherry picking from her husband's record.
I didn't start out this primary season disdaining her. She can win me back as long as she sees the light.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:15 PM
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:15 PM
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10. By saying she wants Al Gore as President |
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and asking all her delegates to support only Gore
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:16 PM
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11. drop out of the race now |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:22 PM
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12. I would only vote for her if I have no reasonable other choice (i.e. if she won the nomination) |
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But I will need a couple of clothespins before stepping into the voting booth.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:23 PM
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13. drop out and support Obama. nt |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:24 PM
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14. Unequivocally state that she would |
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commence withdrawal of all troops from Iraq the day she took office. Heck, I'd vote for McCain if he did that.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:44 PM
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22. It would make McSame a lot more attractive |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:25 PM
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15. I don't think she can win me back. I would only vote for her as a |
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vote against McCain. The Bosnia thing really, really bothered me. It wasn't the fact it was a lie so much as the way she looked telling the tale in the St. Patrick's Day clip. I thought she looked nuts - intense, wild eyed. Very weird. Not someone I want near the nuke button.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:27 PM
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16. Immediately come out for impeachment and promise not to pardon a single Bush criminal |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:59 PM
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28. That would a good start |
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35. And drink a pitcher of raw eggs |
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:29 PM
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17. Well, because she's DLC , she never had me. But even if I could overlook that, I don't think I could |
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forgive her IWR vote, even if she apologized at this extremely late date.
Seriously, I'll vote "D" in the GE whomever the eventual candidate is, but it won't be a vote for HRC if she should get the nom.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:29 PM
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18. SHE MUST STOP WITH THE DAILY LIES TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE... |
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and also drop out and support Obama
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:43 PM
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20. There is nothing that Sen. Clinton can do at this point. She could have had my support. |
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When this road to the white house started I loved both Barack and Hilary. If things played out fairly then I would have supported whoever was the Dem nominee. My family loved the Clintons even though we suffered some hardship during Bill's terms. For my family, we were all caught up in the "Oh he's our first black president". Especially since he loved soul food etc. We were happy that someone seemed to generally respect black people.
But after Nevada and South Carolina I felt angry. I blame it more on her latina advisor & the media than on Clinton. I think when that pollster came out and said that latinos wont vote for a black person that was the turning point for me. I think her advisor was counting on this notion and for Clinton to still recieve a significant amount of black support since Bill is loved in our community.
Again I think that during Nevada and South Carolina her campaign underestimated the black community. That advisor tried to divide and conquer but failed to realize that you still need black people in order to win the ticket. That horrible advisor cost HRC everything. When Clinton failed to come out publicly during Nevada and say that this isn't about race. That Latinos and Blacks shouldn't vote for a candidate in terms of the color of their skin. But to vote on the issues. When she did not REJECT and DENOUNCE this pollster publicly. Hell give a speech like Obama did on race in Nevada. Clinton failed to do so and thus the divide occurred.
I will NEVER vote for someone whose campaign tells me that Latinos wont for a black person. I'm black and I take offense. Then what pushed me over was the debate when the latino guy got up on tv and said he wont vote for Barack. The reporter asked why not? The man looked around and couldn't think of an answer. Racist trash. I've always supported Latinos and their causes. But after that it made me realize that maybe I couldn't care about any other race and their issues because those people sure as hell don't care about me.
My feelings now is all because of Clinton's campaign. Therefore at this point their is nothing she can do to get me to vote for her.
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Wed Apr-02-08 03:33 PM
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31. Wow. Interesting answer. |
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I too was stunned when that pollster said Latinos wouldn't vote for a black candidate, too. Why the hell wouldn't they, when a mostly-Asian state (Hawaii) went for Obama in a big way. I have a lot of Asian relatives, and every single one is so excited about Obama.
That pollster was way off base. Clearly Latinos WILL vote for Obama (especially the young ones), so please don't back off supporting Latinos and their causes. What excites me, in my multi-racial family, is that Obama will be the first Hapa President -- and people from Hawaii know what that is!
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:45 PM
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23. Win the nomination honestly |
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We'd have no choice but to support her then. Even if she stole it in some shady backroom deal, I'm not sure that would make me want a McCain presidency.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:48 PM
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24. I think at this point it's too late in the game for Hillary |
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After Biden dropped I tried to stay neutral on the 'Big Two' (Clinton and Obama) but the interview with Richard Mellon Scaife just did me in.
I still support the ultimate nominee but right now I'm hoping that's Obama
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:48 PM
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25. For intentionally dividing dems on racial lines... |
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nothing. She can do absolutely NOTHING to win back my support. I think people who do that (race bait) are disgusting.
Look, if she manages to pull off some kind of nasty upset I may have to hold my nose and vote for her. But I will never, ever like her. In my opinion, she is the poster child of what Nader talks about when he says there is no difference between the democratic party and the republican party.
The only consolation would be that if she gets in, at least she knows she has to rely on the dems who put her there. I can't stand her. I can't stand Bill. Those are my principles talking.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:50 PM
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26. Sometimes, I look at pictures of her, and I actually feel bad for how badly her campaign is going. |
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She SEEMS like a pleasant, friendly woman.
I supported her initially, but she lost me on the negative campaigning, her endorsement of McCain, the mocking of Obama's supporters, and also when it became clear, from her losses, that people didn't WANT her.
She'd have to do something REALLY bold, and by that I mean, something radically partisan, in order for me to look at her as worthy of my respect and vote.
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Wed Apr-02-08 02:58 PM
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27. Though she never had my support, I would vote the lesser of two evils |
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if she were in the general election against McCain.
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Wed Apr-02-08 03:01 PM
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29. Just the thought of the alternative to Hillary would make me run |
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not walk right back to her. So now you're wanting to get rid of the congress. Thats great. Sounds just like what Bush is doing now,
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30. Just the thought of the alternative to Hillary would make me run |
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not walk right back to her. So now you're wanting to get rid of the congress. Thats great. Sounds just like what Bush is doing now,
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Wed Apr-02-08 03:40 PM
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33. Drop out, vigorously endorse and work for Obama, and apologize.... |
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Do those three things, and I'll respect her again.
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Wed Apr-02-08 03:52 PM
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34. Stop hiding all her records and stop being a liar. |
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she'd have to start by apologizing for a lot of things that just weren't kewl like the McCain comment... I dunno. I think at this point my mind's pretty much made up.
But I'll vote for her in Nov. if she's the one next to (D)
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Thu Apr-03-08 02:29 AM
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38. She could parachute onto the White House lawn |
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Thu Apr-03-08 02:36 AM
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I am not an Obama supporter - I am not enthusiastic about either candidate. I can't imagine anything that will change that in the near future. Of course, I will work for whoever is nominated, as I always do.
Not sure what people mean by "support." If that means "love them with a love bordering on worship" or "promote them as celebrities and personalities" or "represent them as though I were their personal agent" then I won't be doing any of that. I will get them a lot of votes, even if I don't like them at all, and being honest with voters about their shortcomings and my reservations about them makes people more likely to listen to me and be persuaded to vote against the Republicans, not less. That is my idea of "support" - getting results.
This other sort of support people are always calling for and challenging each other about seems pretty silly and useless to me.
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Thu Apr-03-08 02:45 AM
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40. Nothing ... unfortunately nt |
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Thu Apr-03-08 02:47 AM
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41. At this point.... there is nothing she could do. |
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And considering what she accomplished as a NY senator, or what she didn't accomplish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSJMC-UuCw I think they might need to find themselves a new senator when this is all done.
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Thu Apr-03-08 04:02 AM
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42. She still has my support if she's the nominee, but I'd like an apology for #2 on your list |
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that would be a great starting place. My initial response to Hillary is the same as my gut reaction to any other authoritarian who wants power over me. If she wants the benefit of my doubt(I have a lot, for anyone running for any public office) she has to break that. I do NOT like authoritarians, especially those who never make mistakes.
Remember that April 13, 2004 press conference when GWB was asked "President Bush, during the last four years, you have made thousands of decisions that have affected millions of lives. Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had made a wrong decision, and what you did to correct it. Thank you."?
I need someone who can answer that question differently than Mr Bush did. Hillary would likely have a greater command of the english language, but otherwise, from what I have seen, her answer would likely be identical.
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Thu Apr-03-08 04:09 AM
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44. Honesty, Stop sliming Obama, Apologize for previous lies and slimes, give optimistic vision |
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not prey on people's fear, bully, and attack like Bush-Chenney Deux. Her entire campaign would have to be retooled but if she did those I could support her.
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Thu Apr-03-08 04:11 AM
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45. She could gain back some of my respect by gracefully withdrawing. |
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I don't think there's anything that could make me support her for the nomination.
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Thu Apr-03-08 04:42 AM
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47. Unfortunately, I don't think she could 'win' me back |
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Too much water has passed under the bridge, so to speak.
I'm not talking about her antics during the primary, or even the attitude about being the Anointed One. For me, it goes back to her dealings in the Senate and before. I'll never be able to trust that she won't use all the power that Bush has gathered under the Executive Branch and might even push to gain more.
I'll vote for her if she somehow wins the primary, but it will once again be voting for the lesser of two evils.
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Thu Apr-03-08 06:12 AM
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48. There is nothing she could do to get it back. She has crossed the line |
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she is an awful human being with almost no integrity. I won't vote for a person like that.
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But I would vote for her in the GE just to keep McCain from winning.
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Thu Apr-03-08 08:03 AM
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52. Looks like wes gots ourselves a problem. Not voting Clinton has a flip side too. |
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Oh well, better luck next time.
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Thu Apr-03-08 08:10 AM
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53. I'm not getting the progressive vibe from HClinton at all. I'm getting the |
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Murdock Girl and the Scaife toadie vibe.
Also think your reason no. 2 would be very useful to her campaign. Sadly for her she has ego-maniacs running her campaign and evidently is low on cash, so those two vacuums are going to take center stage in operations for the foreseeable future.
The race-baiting was definitely not a plus.
The "If you don't vote for Hillary you're a sexist pig" posts on DU aren't statistically important but they reinforce the idea that she is a cartoon figure given to histrionic reactions to events as opposed to a cool-browed and wise woman able to absorb complex and contradictory paradigms. Obama has slaughtered her in problem-solving temperament in this campaign.
She needs to lock her goddam husband in a cellar somewhere and leave him there until after the Denver convention.
Not least, she needs to scrape up a few bucks and hire a speechwriter. Whoever is her speech writer now is not connecting with progressives and grassroots Dems, and in fact is making things worse. The woman isn't SAYING anything worthy of the attention of people who have belonged to and worked hard for the Democratic Party over many years.
Ranking our original 8 announced candidates, I place Hillary Clinton 8th.
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At this point, anything she did or say to get my vote would just be pandering, and IMO totally insincere. The Clinton's seem to be very good at this... "Shoot now, ask forgiveness later". Maybe it stems from Bill's history of getting in trouble, and then wiggling out of it later.
Either way, there really is nothing she can do to win me over. I despise her for who she represents - an opportunist who will do anything to win, even if it's unethical, dirty, unfair, or hurts anyone else who is in her way. Add that to her sense of entitlement and there really isn't much left for me to like about her. She did a good job raising her daughter - i'll give her that, but that's about it.
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