Hillary & Obama both need to let go of their egos & team up.

[KillCapitalism]

This is the only way I can see us winning in November. Either Obama should be our nominee and Hillary as his running mate, or vice-versa. McCain is more popular than Reagan was in '84, and it will take a united effort by two big-name Democrat candidates to even have a chance to beat him. So really, I wish they would focus on doing whatever it takes to win in November instead of fighting each other.

That is all.

[bellasgrams]

1. If I was Clinton I sure wouldn't want to be his VP. I'd stay as far

away from that trainwreck as I could.

[americanstranger]

3. If I was Obama I wouldn't want Clinton as a running mate.

He needs someone with strong foreign policy credentials. Biden would be good.

- as

[Connie_Corleone]

Like Obama would want her on his ticket, dragging him down.

Please, get real.

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. It is neither Obama nor Clinton who have the ego problem. n/t

[DevonRex]

4. Sure, make her his VP

and send her to every single meaningless ceremony all over the world for 8 years. And make up some post for Bill, too.

[BlooInBloo]

5. It makes exactly ZERO sense for either to be the other's runningmate.

[Adelante]

6. Why do you think either way is a good ticket?

I don't get it when people say they think it's a winner, despite two big names.

[shraby]

7. That's the last thing I'd want to happen.

I don't want a Clinton or a Bush near the White House ever again..we've had enough of them. It's time for new blood.

[loyalsister]

8. If not on the same ticket

100% side by side with one giving full endorsement and campaigning with and for the other.

[KillCapitalism]

9. Well then...

I guess you all won't mind seeing President McCain being inaugurated next Jan. 20th.:popcorn:

Winning is everything this November.

[cooolandrew]

10. Yep it seems the only path and thankfully Obama seems a forgiving man...

..I would advise they lay out ground rules for the offset so they avoid any unesscary conflicts and work in the same direction. I think they should divide their tasks so that no-one overpowers the other.

[nebula]

15. Thankfully Obama isn't a stupid man

and why Hillary will never be his VP.

[nebula]

11. Hillary on the ticket = Rush Limbaugh's wet dream

[karynnj]

12. McCain is not more popular than Reagan in 1984

In fact until HRC decided to raise the CIC issue saying she and McCain are good, the Democrats were both significantly ahead.

The fact is the issues are still on our side. Instead of fighting over bowling, Bosnia and other strange topics, read some or watch some of today's SFRC Iraq hearing - the truth is worse than any Democrat or Republican has said. The economy is in more jeopardy than in any time in almost all of our lives. This is what the Republicans did. (and if any Democrats thought losing 2000 or 2004 was worth it for future positioning - they need to think of where we are.)

[Deja Q]

13. I agree, but that's already been tried and the "uniter" said it was a race of which only one could

win. And Obama was not running for VP.

And that was the first weak link in Obama's broken chain. Politics or not, that was a gigantic blunder. Since then, Obama has been going downhill, like a skier on a slalom.

Every politician is going to have skeletons in the proverbial closet. I don't blindly take everything from the media at face value, but I don't entirely disbelieve it. Most of us know, before the media really started coming out with the "goods", that such a duo would win in a landslide. For whatever reason, Candidate Clinton reached out and he said "no". People noticed, though Clinton's mistake was attempting the team-up when Obama's numbers started passing hers. Seems experience isn't the perfect crutch to rely on either... circular logic. Cool, huh?

[gcomeau]

14. I don't think that's the way to go.

This stopped being a workable option quite a while back. The final nail in the coffin of a joint Obama/Clinton ticket was probably put there by Hillary when she decided to use the joint ticket idea as a campaign ploy against Obama by suggesting he could have the VP slot while she was trailing him in the race. If it had been a clear joking remark or something it would have been different, but it wasn't. She dangled the idea out there in all seriousness when she was in no position to be making those kinds of suggestions about the frontrunner in the race. She left him with no choice but to shoot down the idea or let her get away with portraying herself as the one on the inside track to the nomination even though she was clearly losing... and also pretty effectively torpedoed the option of him offering it to her later considering it would just come off as condescending doing it after she put it on the table for him in that manner. But it's pretty dead even without that. The bottom line is Hillary doesn't really help Obama that much as a VP at this point. There's been too much visible hostility between them and her negatives are way too high. They do not make a good team on the ticket. They might have if Clinton had let it go after Ohio and Texas but not any more.

[Adelante]

22. Democrats don't much want it, either

Clinton Less Appealing Than Obama as Potential V.P.

PRINCETON, NJ — Only 42% of Democrats nationwide want Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic vice presidential nominee if Barack Obama wins the presidential nomination, while 55% think he should pick someone else. By contrast, the majority of Democrats — 58% — would like to see Obama nominated as vice president if Clinton heads the ticket.



Thus, if the Democratic electorate has its way, Obama will be on the Democratic presidential ticket this fall, as either president or vice president. Clinton’s chances of being on the ticket seem more likely to end if she loses the nomination — at least according to Democrats’ weak support for an Obama-Clinton unity ticket.

-snip

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105943/Clinton-Less-Appealing-Than-Obama-Potential-VP.aspx

[themaguffin]

16. sorry, it's not personal, she would sink a ticket regardless of which side of it she is on

[bunnies]

17. Team up? No frigging way.

Obama doesnt need Hillary. He'll kick McCains ass more handily without her.

[dpbrown]

18. Sadly, common sense seems to be short supply around here

Nevertheless, I gave your thread a recommendation.

[DearAbby]

19. Is this the bargaining stage?........n/t

[Swamp Rat]

20. Obama/Edwards or Obama/Kucinich.

We can't lose.

[madmom]

21. My SO has been saying for weeks now, that they need to decide who is

#1 and who is #2 and get on with the campaign against mclame. It's true tho I think, Clinton can't win without Obama supporters and Obama can't win without Clinton supporters.We need to get it together folks!

[DLnyc]

23. Two reasons why this sort of idea might actually be possible, IMO--

1) Although recent tradition has it that the P and VP candidates should be 'pals', there is no reason why this has to be so. Barack and Hillary could run on the same ticket without agreeing on everything, and without even being particularly fond of each other. In the original constitution, IIRC, VP was just the one with the second most votes. That was amended later, I believe, to say P and VP would run as a ticket. Nowhere is it written that they have to be lovebirds--just that they are on one ticket.

2. With Cheney having run his own (quite evil) foreign policy from the office of the VP, that office no longer carries quite the wimpy stigma that it used to. Thus, neither Hillary (likely) nor Barack (less likely) need to feel that it's unseemly to run for the position of VP.

What I'm saying is that I think that, partly (and ironically) due to fuckhead Cheney, it could be possible for Hillary and Barack to run on the same ticket but as strong and independent individuals, unlike the model we saw for the last several decades (or even centuries).

Just my 2 cents, if anyone is interested, which I doubt.

[DLnyc]

24. DUers need to let go of their egos and address this issue.

The Democratic party needs all the supporters of both candidates in order to prevail in the GE and beyond.