Poutrage over Obama's Gore comments analyzed. (Updated)

[mckeown1128]

Everyone is up in arms over Obama's Gore comments. "How dare he" "The arrogance of the man" etc..

Let's nip this little mis interpretation in the bud right now.

Obama was ASKED about Gore.


At a town-hall meeting, Obama was asked if he would tap the former vice president for his Cabinet, or an even higher level office, to handle global warming.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23921985


What do the Clinton supporters want him to say? He said he would... and the Clinton supporters go ape shit crazy (how dare he...blah blah) Can you imagine the poutrage if he said he wouldn't consider Al Gore for his administration? GDP would go nuclear. "What?! He wouldn't consider Al Gore" "How dare he" The arrogance of the man" Something tells me that the only right answer the Clinton supporters would have wanted would have been something like "Gore is much more qualified than I am... I will step aside so that Gore can be president"...of course Clinton supporters would then go off on Obama like they went off on Dodd and Richardson..."just like a male to pick another MALE to be presidnt...Obama is sexist because he is preventing a female of becoming president"


So, please... no more of this "how dare Obama want well qualified Al Gore in his administration"




Updated... Now everyone is in a tizzy that Obama didn't say "No because Gore won't take a position" jeebus folks... Obama wasn't asked if Gore would take a cabinet position... Obama was asked if he would tap (aka ask) Gore if he would take a postion.. Obama said he would ... that doesn't mean Gore would take it. Wow.. people are really stretching.

[myrna minx]

1. Is this seriously the new outrage?

That Obama would be delighted to have President Gore in his cabinet? *sigh*

[mckeown1128]

3. Yes.. check the other posts...

it's just a few but.. as soon as word of the talking point get's out to the "DUmp" forum posters... they will start spamming... I betcha'

[anonymous171]

2. It's the Hillary "experience" patrol. They think that you must wait your turn before running.

This, to them, looks like a prince asking the King to be his subject.

[azmouse]

4. It was a savvy response from Obama. Gore is still very popular.

And the HRC people really need to stop grasping at every nonexistent straw. Enough already.

[Kittycat]

5. Why is there outrage in having Gore in his cabinet?

Sounds like a wise thing to me, particularly with Gore's stance on the environment and pushing for a "greener" future.

[scheming daemons]

7. Hillbots are upset that Obama got to answer this question before Hillary..... now, she'll look ....

...like a copycat when she gets asked about Gore.

[RestoreGore]

15. And see how even peopke here are just using Mr Gore as a football?

How childish.

[Kittycat]

53. Maybe she should consider granting interviews to people besides Faux & Scaife

[RestoreGore]

6. I'm not A CLINTON Supporter, I'm a GORE Supporter...

and he could have simply stated that Mr. Gore has refused a cabinet position (which he would have known if he really were talking to him) in any administration, but would gladly accept his support in working out solutions to the climate crisis and forging a new treaty next year. He didn't say that however, because he knew that to bring up Al Gore's name as a cabinet option made him look like he has an exclusive in with him... "oh yes, we talk all of the time." He had to say that too I suppose? Spare me. Face it, like the Clintons, he too is a political player. And I don't think you get to tell people what to say here. Al Gore is way above Barack Obama in EVERY WAY, and hell yes, I'll say that when I want to.

[scheming daemons]

8. And if he would've answered that he's NOT interested in utilizing Gore, you woulda went ballistic...

...

[RestoreGore]

11. Are you kidding me? Mr. Gore is not for him to "utilize"

Mr. Gore is the utilizer.

[scheming daemons]

17. Frankly, I would expect *ANY* good president to utilize Gore's talents..... why not?

What the fuck is wrong with you?


If the President of the U.S. calls on Mr. Gore for his advice, you can rest assured that big Al - being the patriot he is - will be honored to help. No matter who the President is.

[RestoreGore]

26. What's wrong with you?

Consulting or Counseling any president on this crisis is fine, however, "utilize" sounds much different. So no need to spit your vulgarity at me. There is nothing wrong with me. I'm just tired of Mr. Gore being used as a political football for everyone to fight over like little babies. Like I said, I hope he stays far away from all of this BS. But there is something I can say, Obama can sure use a lot of consulting on this, because his actions on it surely don't mince with his words.

[scheming daemons]

28. Man, you sure get pissed about semantics.. Gore would likely be flattered by Obama's remarks today.

Even if he "regretfully declined" the offer.

[RestoreGore]

38. yes, I'm sure he would bow down and want to kiss his feet for offering him such an honor

And this was about more than semantics.

[thoughtcrime1984]

27. You sure seem angry

Why?

[RestoreGore]

29. Because Obama like Clinton is a user

And I don't like seeing a man I love and respect used.

[thoughtcrime1984]

35. I wouldn't say that.

IF Obama becomes President and asks Mr. Gore for his help concerning his area of expertise, and Gore agrees to help, I don't see the harm in that. I am confident that Gore would feel that he now has his best chance to get government action against the factors that cause global warming, since 2000. Why is that such a terrible thing? Do we not want our best people in the places where they can truly help our nation? Gore chose to not run for President this time, perhaps he will choose to work with an Obama administration towards some REAL change as to how we treat the environment.

[RestoreGore]

41. You simply are not understanding the jist of what and why this was said today

But that's OK. I didn't expect anyone who supports him to see why he said what he did today. He wants his superdelegate vote, or his enodorsement. So what better way to try than to stroke him in public to put him on the spot? Typical backhanded political move. And that is the issue not Mr. Gore helping any president out on this which is not the problem.

[thoughtcrime1984]

54. well, I disagree that was his only motivation. nt

[neverforget]

56. I love Gore and I see nothing wrong with what Obama said. I don't

get your anger about this. Gore is a great man and Obama sees that he could help him out with something. What's wrong with that?

[depakid]

12. "he could have simply stated that Mr. Gore has refused a cabinet position "

That would have been the wiser, more diplomatic response.

And the one a more seasoned politician would have made....

[mckeown1128]

20. It isn't Obama's place to speak for Gore....

and Obama is allowed to want to offer Gore a cabinet postion...

It is up to Gore to make his own intentions clear.

[RestoreGore]

31. Those ARE Mr. Gore's words. Obama simply took advantage of the moment for himself

And I like him even less now for doing so.

[mckeown1128]

34. Is Obama supposed to have memorized everything Gore

has ever said. All Obama was asked was if he would tap Gore.. about said yes... now whether or not Gore will take Obama up on his offer is GORE's decision... (Gore could also change his mind.... again it isn't up to Obama to answer the hypothetical for Gore)

[RestoreGore]

37. yes, and I hope it's no

[apocalypsehow]

40. Why would you hope such a thing? Gore would make an excellent cabinet officer in any number of

top departments. State and Defense come to mind, but he'd be excellent in any role an Obama administration might ask him to take on.

Again, I ask, why would you hope the answer would be "no" to such an offer?

:shrug:

[RestoreGore]

45. He is way above a cabinet position

That's why. I see him as the next Secretary General of the UN, not someone who has to answer to Barack Obama or any of the rest of them. And again, he has stated he will not accept a cabinet position in any administration and is a man of his word. What about that don't you understand?

[apocalypsehow]

47. There is nothing I don't understand, other than your seeming irritation at the prospect that Gore

might well change his mind, and accept such a cabinet position given the right circumstances. Can't we even entertain the notion without having to put up with your pouting snark?

:shrug:

P.S. I think he'd make a great Secretary General of the UN, too.

[depakid]

39. This is pretty much common knowledge..

When a candidate is under the microscope and fatigued, he or she is bound to say some less than diplomatic things- or fail to parse their words as they might.

The baby comment was another instance of this- and as the campaign goes on, we're bound to hear many more.

[mckeown1128]

13. I think you are wrong...

I don't think it was Obama's place to answer the question from Gore's point of view. Obama answered honestly that he would offer... It isn't Obama's place to answer his own offer on Gore's behalf.


And Obama does talk to Gore all the time... I read somewhere that they talk once every two weeks... i will look for a link for you.

[RestoreGore]

36. Of course not. It wasn't his place to actually state Mr.Gore's own wishes...

That wouldnt have gotten him any press on this.

[mckeown1128]

51. How is Obama supposed to know Gore's own wishes...

Obama just said he would tap Gore for his administration... He never said Gore would take him up on it... only that he would offer.

[mamalone]

48. How do you know..

for sure that Obama doesn't talk to Gore?

Not being snarky or anything, but seriously how could you possibly know that the two of them aren't having regular conversations?

[roguevalley]

57. faux outrage. obama would be remiss not to avail himself of Mr.

Gore. And, he does talk to him. Why wouldn't he? I imagine he and Obama are very simpatico.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Obviously he should have said

"Gore? Fuck him. Now John McCain, he clearly has the experience to be in my cabinet."

[SoFlaJet]

14. LOL

great post DL

[Whisp]

10. Poutrage, heh, I like that. very fitting. nt

[mckeown1128]

22. someone made a post explaing why we should use poutrage..

I can't find it now.. but they deserve the credit.

[BlooInBloo]

16. hah - "poutrage".

[mckeown1128]

24. see above. nt

[dsc]

18. he should have said

that would be up to Al Gore. Now, for all the outrage, there is one real problem with what he said. He argueably now can't get an endorsement from Gore. It is illegal to offer cabinet positions in return for endorsements ( I think dating to 1828).

[The_Counsel]

42. Oh Please.

It is NOT up to Gore whether or not Obama would offer -- repeat: OFFER -- a cabinet position to him. That decision is Obama's. Alone. Period.

Now, whether or not to ACCEPT said offer is Gore's decision. Alone. Period. It's all painfully simple really.

And let's not forget: Obama's comments was an answer to reporter's question. I'll grant you that the question was less-than-stellar, given the fact that the nomination still isn't wrapped up, but that's all it was.

Honestly, there's better things to get all in a tizzy over... :eyes:

[dsc]

44. I'm not in a tizzy, honestly the outrage is stupid

but there were possible better answers is all I am saying.

[The_Counsel]

50. There Are No "Better Answers"

Frankly, I find the "just give a straight answer" tact more refreshing than trying to tap dance around the issue, give a non-answer, or worse, trying to speak for Al Gore. To a question like "would you offer Al Gore a cabinet position if you had the chance?," there's no better answer than "hell yeah!" Wouldn't you jump at the chance if it were you?

Now again, it was a stupid question to begin with; but it is what it is.

[mckeown1128]

46. I would like a link to that law... i don't think it exists...

and regardless... Obama didn't offer any specific postion he said he would tap gore for a cabinet postion or higher

He made no offer to Gore today.. he just said he would like to make an offer to Gore as president.

[earth mom]

19. Obama is trying to get reflected glory from Gore.

What do they call that in Hollywood? :eyes:

[Ian_rd]

21. He was responding to a question. He answered it.

Maybe you don't understand that. I guess Hillary supporters are too used to:

a. Hillary not actually answering questions.
b. Planting questions in the audience.

[watrwefitinfor]

23. Every time these idiots assault his words like this,

it just gets him more exposure. And the more people see, the more people like. So let them keep on.

Wat

[Ian_rd]

25. God you're right. It just spilled into the Greatest Page.

Their bag is just ... empty now.

[John Q. Citizen]

30. Yes, it's the outrage du jour, but nothing can ever compare with the handshake/snub. That

offering lasted at least three days, and generated many more posts. Of course, that might have been before the 3 post a day mamimum rule was established.

This outrage is interesting because it's so surreal.

[mckeown1128]

32. Ohh God snub gate.... why did you remind us all... uggh. nt

[DerekJ]

33. There is no pleasing them my friend.

[americanstranger]

43. 'Poutrage.' Freakin' perfect.

Trademark that, pronto. :D

- as

[mckeown1128]

49. Not mine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5352872

[damntexdem]

52. Gore should be involved in any administration, leading the charge on global warming.

That's all there is to it. Only an idiot, or a Republican (if a distinction can be made), would not consider him for such a role.

[mckeown1128]

55. kick.nt