Effete Obama courting the women of PA

[rodeodance]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/opinion/02dowd.html?_...

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 2, 2008

……..

. Obama had not been hit hard until this campaign; he sailed through his Senate race. Without Hillary, he never would have learned to be a good debater. He never would have understood how to robustly answer distorted and personal attacks. He never would have been warned about how harmful an unplugged spouse can be. He never would have realized how a luminous speech can be effective damage control.

………

Hillary has clearly raised Obama’s consciousness about the importance of courting the ladies. Touring a manufacturing plant in Allentown, Pa., Tuesday, he was flirtatious, winking and grinning at the women working there, calling one “Sweetie,” telling another she was “beautiful,” and imitating his daughters’ dance moves by twirling around.

Later, at a Scranton town hall, he went up to Denise Mercuri, a pharmacist from Dunmore wearing a Hillary button. “What do I need to do? Do you want me on my knees?” he charmed, before promising: “I’ll give you a kiss.”

Obama has been less adept at absorbing the lesson of Hillary’s metamorphosis from entitled queen of the party to scrappy blue-collar mama. His strenuous and inadvertently hilarious efforts to woo working-class folk in Pennsylvania have only made him seem more effete. Keeping his tie firmly in place, he genteelly sipped his pint of Yuengling beer at Sharky’s sports cafe in Latrobe and bowled badly in Altoona. Challenging Obama to a bowl-off, Hillary kindly offered to “spot him two frames.”

At the Wilbur chocolate shop in Lititz Monday, he spent most of his time skittering away from chocolate goodies, as though he were a starlet obsessing on a svelte waistline.

“Oh, now,” the woman managing the shop told him with a frown, “you don’t worry about calories in a chocolate factory.”

The Times’s Michael Powell reports that, after watching five plump, white-haired women in plastic hairnets spin the chocolate into such confections as “Phantom of the Opera” masks and pink high heels, he ventured: “Do you actually eat the chocolate or do you get sick of it?” They giggled at his silliness.

He looked even more concerned when he was offered a chocolate cake with white chocolate frosting. “Oh, man.” he said. “That’s too decadent for me.”

……..

[redqueen]

1. You liked it so much, you posted it twice?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. SHAME!

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

8. nah--for some reason it duped itself. I have self-deleted the 2nd one

[redqueen]

12. I could have sworn the other was formatted, and this one wasn't.

Eh... whatever.

[rodeodance]

49. well, you know, the eye does tricks sometimes.

[redqueen]

53. Uh huh.

Yup.

For sure.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

73. Here's something for the eyes:

[rodeodance]

83. REDgreen--here is a pic for you---since I was talking about your eyes:-)

[redqueen]

92. And I was alluding to your lie!

:)

[rodeodance]

111. you like that word--so, where is my "lie" ?

[DearAbby]

30. It was the "DU Burp"

Happens when you bite off more than you can chew ;)

[rodeodance]

113. Yes, it was a DU "burp" as you say. Thank you. But no problem for me.

Happens when you bite off more than you can chew ;)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Mindless.

[redqueen]

4. Dowd is a brilliant commentator!

She only talks about substance.

It's no wonder she's been at the Times so long... I mean seriously... who else would have dared tell us all about the HORROR of Gore's choice in suit colors, I ask you?

These are important issues!

[Bonobo]

5. So the ones who call Obama "gay basher" are not afraid to fling around homophobic attacks?

Lovely.

Or do we just go with the famous "Insert well-know DU'ers name here" defense on this one?

[jonnyblitz]

23. you associate "effete" with gays? WHO is the homophobe??

:shrug:

[redqueen]

29. Uh... you might wanna look the word up.

*sigh*

[rodeodance]

37. Historically it has been, But I am sure you can context of the her article can't you?

[redqueen]

39. Your question doesn't quite make sense.

It looks like you're thinking that somehow in the context in which Dowd is using it, she's NOT implying that Obama is womanly and therefore not manly / macho / etc. enough for Murkins.

You're SO wrong.

[rodeodance]

54. sorry- redqueen, that was meant for the one who is obsessed with homosexualtiy

--or how that poster thinks Dowd is using it.

[redqueen]

62. How do you interpret her insinuation that Obama isn't manly enough?

I'm very curious to know.

[rodeodance]

67. Actually I don't nec. agree with that. But if you read the whole, Hillary has

taught BO a lot---something I have argued since day one.

[redqueen]

71. So if you call a man feminine, and relate anecdotes about how girly he acts...

how do you necessarily interpret that?

[Bonobo]

79. So how am I the Homophobe? I don't get it. OP posts an article that basically says

that Obama is "light in the loafers". I call it out for what it is, and I am a homophobe?

[redqueen]

88. It's lunacy...

just ignore it.

[rodeodance]

82. Dowd is making the characterization ---not me.

[redqueen]

90. No, you're just acting as if she's NOT making that characterization

and saying that a DUer is a homophobe for pointing it out.

That's all.

[rodeodance]

108. What are you talking about?--I said not such thing. Stop with the lies.

90. No, you're just acting as if she's NOT making that characterization

and saying that a DUer is a homophobe for pointing it out.

That's all.

[Bonobo]

120. You said I was "Obsessed with Homosexuality".

What you meant, was that I am a homphobe.

Keep being a coward. It isn't really tricking anyone following this.

You posted a Homophobic hit piece and then pretended that it wasn;t that and implied that those who thought it was that were homophobic.

In other words. You're a dick.

[rodeodance]

126. no--my point was that Dowd did not mean it in that context. Sorry if i worded

it wrong.

[Bonobo]

152. Accepted. Thank you.

I apologize as well.

[Bonobo]

36. What a moran.

[Kber]

135. But I thought he was an angry scary black guy?

He's an effete scary black guy?

Someone who holds you up to cut you down on your choice of shoes?

[damonm]

6. Wow, you used the word "effete" just like you know what it means!

[babylonsister]

9. ROFL! nt

[rodeodance]

17. It was silly poster making Foolish claims.--

[rodeodance]

11. You look Foolish to ASSume that I do not know

Wow, you used the word "effete" just like you know what it means!
Posted by damonm

[endarkenment]

18. So you are knowingly regurgitating homophobic swill?

[joshcryer]

26. Please don't confuse homosexuality with 'effete.'

It insults the majority of homosexuals in the world who do not ascribe to the western conception of a homosexual culture.

[endarkenment]

32. Please spare me your crap.

Dowd has deliberately done this to every single male democratic leader. And yes she is playing on homophobia. Effete can be used to mean different things, in this context it is Dowd up to her usual tricks. Either the OP understands this or he doesn't.

[redqueen]

Oh so you think Dowd's audience for this is NOT the US?

:wtf:

[joshcryer]

43. Fair enough.

I just didn't like the characterization because some people understand that the US isn't the world.

[redqueen]

45. I don't like the feigned "that's not what she meant!" act.

At least I *HOPE* it's an act.

[joshcryer]

50. I have no idea what she meant, but saying someone is effete is not *automatically* key words...

...for homophobia.

[redqueen]

63. So in the US... when you stress how feminine a man is...

that's got nothing to do with homophobia?

[joshcryer]

78. It would from a narrow minded perspective.

[redqueen]

80. It would from a US-based perspective.

Dowd has played these games forever. The context of the word in this piece is blindingly obvious.

I guess this really isn't feigned ignorance.

*sigh*

[Bonobo]

51. I despise their duplicitousness.

[Forkboy]

132. This wouldn't have happened if Rodeo had used the actual headline.

:hide:

:evilgrin:

[rodeodance]

117. Sadly many are. thanks for your post.

Please don't confuse homosexuality with 'effete.'
Posted by joshcryer


It insults the majority of homosexuals in the world who do not ascribe to the western conception of a homosexual culture.

[rodeodance]

70. STOP insulting me. Educate your selp please. There are many meanings to that word

[redqueen]

76. You need to stop trying to convince anyone

that Dowd is not insinuating that Obama is effeminate in that piece.

You're only making yourself look foolish. The context is quite clear. And Dowd's patterns are there for all the world to see.

[rodeodance]

81. I am not saying she did not infer that. And I have already posted that i did not

agree with her.

I was addressing the poster who is associating the word with homosexuality--which is NOT how Dowd is using it.

Got it now---?
Enough with your lectures

...........



You need to stop trying to convince anyone
Posted by redqueen


that Dowd is not insinuating that Obama is effeminate in that piece.

You're only making yourself look foolish. The context is quite clear. And Dowd's patterns are there for all the world to see.

[redqueen]

95. Okay I'll stop trying to help you.

Go on with your bad self.

:rofl:

[damonm]

27. No ASSumption necessary - your incorrect usage makes it clear...

That you do not, and that YOU are the one who looks foolish.

The word you want, O English-impaired one, is "effeminate" - consult a dictionary.

[rodeodance]

42. Why don't you contact Dowd---she used the word. Have you read the OP before

you attributed it to me??







No ASSumption necessary - your incorrect usage makes it clear...

Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 04:19 PM by damonm
That you do not, and that YOU are the one who looks foolish.

The word you want, O English-impaired one, is "effeminate" - consult a dictionary.
Johnson & Bush - the reasons NO ONE from TX should be allowed within 500 yards of the Oval Office.

[redqueen]

48. Why don't we ask Dowd? Well, cause some of us learn from history.

[damonm]

61. I did - she used it in different context than you did,

...and HER usage is correct. Yours, to judge from the snips you used, is not. You also did some creative editing to make Dowd's column say something it did not.
So, for you:

[rodeodance]

77. Please show me where I used the word.

[damonm]

115. Look at the headline of your OP - and please come back when you develop a brain.

[rodeodance]

119. Yes, that is the only place I used it. How is your brain working?

damonm (259 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
115. Look at the headline of your OP - and please come back when you develop a brain.

[damonm]

123. Better than yours, obviously,

...as you can't even do blockquotes correctly, much less use the English language.

To my "ignore" list with you.

[rodeodance]

134. you are whining about blockquotes!! I am honored to be on your ignore list.

damonm (260 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 05:19 PM
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123. Better than yours, obviously,

...as you can't even do blockquotes correctly, much less use the English language.

To my "ignore" list with you.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. You have a real problem figuring out this message board thing don't you?

We only needed one thread.

[rodeodance]

31. You ASSume that. Actually I reported the bug. So instead of insulting me,

perhaps you can discuss the OP??


...........
Wolsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 04:09 PM
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7. You have a real problem figuring


You have a real problem figuring out this message board thing don't you?
Posted by Wolsh


We only needed one thread.

[Joe the Revelator]

69. Heres a hint....

If you get the bug error, just back out. 99 times out of a 100 your thread has been submitted

[rodeodance]

85. have a nice day

[Joe the Revelator]

87. By all mean, I will

[endarkenment]

10. What a shock. Dowd finds another fine Democratic man unmanly.

Gore, Edwards, who else? Obama of course. Dowd is an idiot.

[zulchzulu]

19. Dowd acts like the spinster at the bar that even the knuckleheads don't buy her a drink

Any man who runs for President is not good enough for the Spinster Planet MoDo. Yeah, it was Gore...Edwards...Kerry...Wes Clark...

She's just jealous dudes can't stand her crooked mouth and drunken Mona Lisa grin.

[endarkenment]

20. A last call hottie.

[zulchzulu]

33. Usually the drunk thinks he's picking up two chicks...

...that's the beauty part of being so sussed that you see double.

Planet MoDo has probably been in that position a few times, no pun intended.

[zulchzulu]

13. I'm assuming Planet MoDo's columns are fair to post in your view

She hates dudes. But guess what, she really hates Hillary. I'll make sure to post the next column on the Clintons that she wrote...mmmkay?

[rodeodance]

47. Of course it is fair to post. BO fans never miss a chance to post her Hillary bashing.

I'm assuming Planet MoDo's columns are fair to post in your view Updated at 9:26 PM

She hates dudes. But guess what, she really hates Hillary. I'll make sure to post the next column on the Clintons that she wrote...mmmkay?

[DemGa]

14. Hilarious! -- kicked for latte-liberals effeteness

or, do you want the effete guy answering the 3:00 am call?

[rucky]

15. He was in Latrobe and didn't drink Rolling Rock?

Obama, I thought I knew ye!

[zulchzulu]

22. Man, I hope he doesn't have to drink ANY Iron City Beer

That is the WORST. BEER. EVER.

[tabasco]

55. He drank a Pennsylvania beer.

They make RR in New Jersey nowadays.

[rucky]

91. Rolling Rock, I thought I knew ye!

[Blue-Jay]

68. I was in the bathroom, but I didn't drink piss.

I may have insulted a few piss-drinkers.

[PA Democrat]

99. Neither do the residents of Latrobe since Rolling Rock was purchased by

Anheuser-Busch who closed the Latrobe plant and moved the brewery out of state.

[dionysus]

16. is this supposed to be like, you guys' big "offensive"?

:eyes:

[charlie]

21. Still banging that one note

Lookit the sissy!

Kee-rist, get a new schtick MoDo. The Times oughta fire your ass for doing reruns every fucking single election season.

[tishaLA]

24. On April 30, Dowd published "Surrender, Dorothy"

a column that criticized Sen Clinton in the most dismissive way possible. When someone posted it here, I wrote this:

I support Obama and abhor Maureen Dowd

To me, she is little better than posting Mort Zuckerman or Mort Kondrake. She will play her coquettish games--because she believes in them--and, by mid-September, she will be typing away about "Obambi" and his vague lack of virility. She will suggest that maybe he really IS just words and that he needs a patriotism transplant. And she will say that Michelle lacks the kind of decorum Cindy McCain displays, and that she has a decidedly un-feminine "edge." She will probably suggest that Michelle wears the pants in the family and that she allows "Obambi" to make his nice speeches because, you know, it's better than his staying home with the girls. She established herself in a corporate job, MoDo will remind us, while "Obambi" made his in cute things like community organizing.

I plan to keep MoDo at a distance, and I won't ever celebrate her, even when she says something that helps Obama. /end

Too bad more progressives aren't onto MoDo's game and are willing to treat her as if she had anything substantive to say when it tears down someone they dislike.

[riverdeep]

25. This is like a throwback to Gore.

You know, how Gore was stiff, and wooden, and kind of an intellectual? Some things never change.

[MISSDem]

28. Oh so very funny. Maureen Dowd was helpful in defeating Al Gore

too. I see she's at it again.

[Vinca]

34. What part of that is effete? nt

[kwenu]

35. A ridiculous op-ed. When Obama is sworn in as President he can thank Hillary for making him

who he is. He couldn't have done it without Hillary. :sarcasm:


And people want to whine about sexism??

[Blue-Jay]

38. Just come right out and call Obama a "pussy", why dontcha?

[redqueen]

40. Butbutbut Dowd didn't mean it that way! Honest! Context! CONTEXT!

It's a laugh a minute around this place, I tells ya.

[Blue-Jay]

44. If we can't trust Mo Dowd, who CAN we trust?

She's never led us astray.

[redqueen]

46. If she hadn't raised the alarm about Gore's earth tones...

we'd all be speaking Chinese right now!

[rodeodance]

129. She did it with Kerry also--i recall being real ticked --as she did it just

before the election.

[zulchzulu]

41. I remember Barack asking her not to write about his big ears a while back

She thought..."big ears....hmmmm...that must mean he has...."

Seriously though, Barack apparently walked right up to her and her little polka-dot pad and asked her politely to sort of fuck off.

Awww... to see Planet MoDo's crooked smile at that point.

[Teaser]

52. This is kind of beneath you, rodeodance

.

[Blue-Jay]

56. Have you two met before?

[Bonobo]

59. BENEATH him?

:rofl:

[Teaser]

150. rodeodance has a long history of excellent Iraq commentary

and is generally a really good egg. I know he/she supports Hillary, and that's great. But using a MoDo column as a critique of anybody is, well, disappointing.

[rodeodance]

60. sorry I do not always meet up with your expectations. Kinda fun to see what

the candidates to out on the trail.

Dowd---i take with a grain of salt.

[Blue-Jay]

65. You take her with a grain of salt, but you happily posted her Op Ed.

twice.

So, what's your point?

[rodeodance]

89. a DU caused the dupe. I take it you do not like the post. too bad

[Blue-Jay]

93. You don't like Mo Dowd, but you posted her Op Ed. Why?

It's a simple question. Answer it.

[rodeodance]

98. Because it was there.

You don't like Mo Dowd, but you posted her Op Ed. Why?
Posted by Blue-Jay


It's a simple question. Answer it.

[Blue-Jay]

101. That's brilliant.

Because it was there.
Posted by rodeodance

You don't like Mo Dowd, but you posted her Op Ed. Why?
Posted by Blue-Jay


It's a simple question. Answer it.

(why are we reposting posts, again?)

[tishaLA]

106. "(why are we reposting posts, again?)"

that's always perplexing to me, too.

[Blue-Jay]

110. I asked one time before, and I still don't know.

"(why are we reposting posts, again?)"
that's always perplexing to me, too.

Posted by tishaLA

(It's, like, extra work or something)

[redqueen]

114. It's documentation.

One can't be too careful!

This is series bizness!

*shifty eyes*

[rodeodance]

140. I posted it cause the I recalled her doing the same with kerry. Its a discussion

piece.

[Warren Stupidity]

154. It seems to be a more or less new tactic.

Post hideous shit and then when attacked for posting it claim "hey I didn't write it, I just posted it". I think this counts as nefarious bullshit.

[Umbram]

75. No. No it isn't. (nt)

[anonymous171]

57. Hillary burps then farts while watching football with locals at a bar during a campaign stop in PA

[rodeodance]

86. Seeing how ill-manned you can be?

anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 04:30 PM
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57. Hillary burps then farts while watching football with locals at a bar during a campaign stop in PA

[Beacool]

58. I love Der Rosenkavalier...............

Maureen Dowd not so much, but I actually didn't recoil from this column.

Then again, I just read Karl Rove's interview in GQ and found it to be more enlightening than I originally would have thought possible:

Have you gotten to know Hillary or Barack to any degree?

Yes, I have.

What have been your dealings with them?

Well, you know, I used to have her office at the White House. And I got to know because we have a mutual friend, Ken Mehlman, who was his law-school classmate at Harvard. And so as a result, whenever in the last three years he's been around at the White House, I've gotten to see him, and we sort of would hang around and chitchat about things. I'm actually in his book. He wrote that "people like Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, Ralph Reed, and Karl Rove say we are a Christian nation." And I did not say that. I confronted him about it. At the White House.

And what did he say?

Well, first he denied that I was in the book! And then he denied that it said that I said that it was a Christian nation. And then when I pulled out the thing and showed it to him, he sort of blah-blah-blah-blah-blah- blah-blah. And I thought, That's who he is. I mean, look, he may claim that he's for a different kind of politics, but that was a cheap shot. And I'm not certain if any of the four said it either. But it was like, you know, Let's just strap it in there and see if it goes someplace. Another example: Him saying, "We honor John McCain for his fifty years of service" was a cheap shot. He was going out of his way to say John McCain's old.

I get the sense you respect Hillary more than you respect Obama.

Off the record?

Please don't go off the record.

Off the record…

Damn! Now say that on the record.

No. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Let's try again, then: on the record. I get the sense you respect her more than him.

Uh, I know her better than I know him. And I just, uh—she has been around public life a lot longer and has demonstrated, you know, more involvement than he has.

http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2008/04/karl-rove-likes.html

[dailykoff]

64. Whoring for her neocon bosses again.

What a waste.

[bunnies]

66. Oh I see. Now he's not "manly enough".

keep 'em coming.

[dailykoff]

72. She's the NYT's gay card stooge.

But you knew they were gonna play it.

[bunnies]

102. The depths of the pettiness doesnt even surprise me anymore.

Thats so sad.

[rodeodance]

96. and it is Hillary who is teaching him lessons.

[bunnies]

103. Hillary is teaching Barack about how to be "manly"???

Care to re-think that?

[rodeodance]

122. bunnies-read the entire article--that is the thesis of Dowd's piece.

bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 04:58 PM
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103. Hillary is teaching Barack about how to be "manly"???

Care to re-think that?

[bunnies]

127. I did read the article.

Doesnt change anything. Its still absurd.

[rodeodance]

130. Well, I do think BO has learned a lot from Hillary.

[bunnies]

151. Well, I almost agree.

He's learned a lot because of Hillary. Not necessarily "from".

[Zero Division]

74. If MoDo's columns were parody, I'd call her brilliant.

Shallow is an understatement. And she has a long history of effeminizing men in a derisive manner: http://feministlawprofs.law.sc.edu/?p=86 .

[kid a]

84. Obama is as effete as HIllary is butch. nt

[riverdeep]

104. Ouch.

I'd be great if we could get someone into office without judging their socially approved gender conformity, but with the likes of Dowd, Coulter, and Matthews- I don't see that happening soon.

[kid a]

125. I hope my reply doesn't sound like I feel like either of them are either of those words.

Neither are.

[riverdeep]

144. Well, I got what you were doing. But it never hurts to clarify. n/t

[dailykoff]

94. You made up a homophobic title?

And you pretended to take offense at McClurkingate? You and your candidate are well matched on honesty.

[redqueen]

97. No, that's not homophobic.

Saying it's homophobic, though... that IS homophobic... in the pretzel logic that's so popular around these here parts.

:crazy:

[dailykoff]

100. Yes, it is a made-up homophobic title, and I just alerted on it.

The title of the column at the link is "The Hillary Waltz."

[rodeodance]

107. What is your problem? This on LBN forum!! --and the word is used in the article.

Original Message
Yes, it is a made-up homophobic title, and I just alerted on it.
Posted by dailykoff


The title of the column at the link is "The Hillary Waltz."

[dailykoff]

112. Your title is a homophobic slur which is not permitted on DU. (n/t)

[rodeodance]

116. oh for pete's sake---Look how Dowd is using it!

[dailykoff]

121. Dowd's title is "The Hillary Waltz." Your title is a slur. (n/t)

[rodeodance]

136. Only is your mind--but since Dowd did NOT use it the

homosexuality sense, you have the problem . Not I.

[Jersey Devil]

128. Then you must be an impudent snob

but not from the "effete corps of impudent snobs" that Spiro Agnew was fond of.

[rodeodance]

137. Another personal insult. Feel better now?

Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 05:24 PM
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128. Then you must be an impudent snob

but not from the "effete corps of impudent snobs" that Spiro Agnew was fond of.

[rodeodance]

105. Such foolishness from you. 1. did you read the article?--Is your reading

comprehension at the level you can comprehend how she is using the word?
It IS her word, not mine.
2, I do not recall ever even reading the mccluringate threads, much less
commenting on them. So, you are the foolish one--insulting me!





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94. You made up a homophobic title?

And you pretended to take offense at McClurkingate? You and your candidate are well matched on honesty.

[dailykoff]

109. The column title is "The Hillary Waltz," and your title is a slur.

You really are a piece of work.

[rodeodance]

139. I know the title. Are you title police? --

dailykoff (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-02-08 05:05 PM
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109. The column title is "The Hillary Waltz," and your title is a slur.

You really are a piece of work.

[AX10]

118. Dowd doesn't like Obama anymore.

Now that he's favored to get the nomination, she has turned on him.
:nopity:

[rodeodance]

124. Yes, she generally goes after Hillary. I was very upset when she hit on

Kerry before 2004. lots like she is tuning up for O. now.

[kid a]

131. Its just making him a tougher candidate for the fall - with Hillary out, it will be a devastating

defeat to McCain.

[Levgreee]

133. He's always been like that, watch footage of him during the Illinois election

what an assumptious jerkwad, the writer is

[WinkyDink]

138. ANOTHER OP who doesn't "get" the use of quotation marks to make a thread title accurate.

[kid a]

142. yep...a real dilettante

[rodeodance]

146. yes, in hindsight i should have used quotatin marks

[RainDog]

141. this is the same p.o.s. who was all over Gore for being bland.

modo, you make me ashamed that you are supposed to represent as a "female columnist." Try a little bit of substance, not your bitchy gossip girl bullshit.

[rodeodance]

145. she went after Kerry in this manner also --not manly enough--but I do

not recall if she used the term effete or not with him.

[loyalsister]

143. That was a really obnoxious flame baiting title

placed on a pretty good opinion piece. God I'm sick of this crap!

[NJSecularist]

147. Imagine if a journalist wrote about "Ditsy Hillary"?

imagine how much of an uproar the Hillary supporters would be in?

They would be crying "sexist" and demanding to shut this forum down.

[cali]

148. I detest Maureen Dowd. I've said that repeatedly as she slams Hilly

Shows what you are that you post her. Disgusting. Just as always thought. And homophobic. You make me :puke:

[AX10]

156. Let us see the evidence that...

you ever defended Clinton against Dowd.

[MethuenProgressive]

149. What an asshole!! "Honey, sweetie, c'meer I'll give you a kiss!" Sexist pig!

"Do you want me on my knees?” Disgusting.

[JoFerret]

153. I posted the same article

It's a good one. (Unusual for Dowd).Obama owes Clinton big time.
(Get over it Obama fans. It's a fact. You can see it in his growth in the denates. She's tutored him. Be grateful).

[farmbo]

155. Al Gore was "... a bore" and Obama is "...efete"...and Dowd IS the Olde Politics

Catty, self-absorbed,and hopelessly snarky, why is this woman so obsessed with the superficialities of a candidate that she cannot bring herself to write about the candidate's stance on issues?

Remember this: This woman made George Bush possible by leading the electronic stampede against Al Gore's "boorishness" from the pages of the Grey Lady.

Grey Lady, indeed!

[LulaMay]

157. You know it's bad when even Maureen is offended..."Sweetie", "Do ou want me on my knees?" YUCK