And yet another email from Hillary: Florida/Michigan votes

[HockeyMom]

They just keep coming. She is persistent. I will give her that. I am a former New Yorker, temporarily I hope.


Dear ,


It is a bedrock American principle: we are all equal in the voting booth. No matter where you were born or how much money you were born into, no matter the color of your skin or where you worship, your vote deserves to count.

But millions of people in Florida and Michigan who went to the polls aren't being heard. The delegates they elected won't be seated at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August -- and that's just not fair to those voters.

The people of Michigan and Florida must have a voice in selecting our nominee for president. I have repeatedly called for seating their delegates.

Click here to join me in showing our support for seating Florida and Michigan delegates at the convention.

This is such an important principle, and I appreciate you standing up with me.


Sincerely,


Hillary Rodham Clinton

[Changenow]

1. Didn't she say that if she

loses the vote she still hopes to get the nomination?

Why does she want people to vote if the foundation of her strategy is to override the will of the voter?

[bellasgrams]

5. Because she is the better one for the country and 50@ of the.

country agrees.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Yep, and still this late in the game too. Go Hillary!

:woohoo:

[LakeSamish706]

13. Because she is a student of George W Bush and Karl Rove.. Simple really. n/t

[GOTV]

2. If I was a MI or FL voter and I stayed home because the delegates were stripped I'd be PISSED....

... In what country do they tell you AFTER the vote if the election will count.

[John Q. Citizen]

7. They will seat the delegates, in some fashion, but only after the race is done.

[GOTV]

17. Why is "seating" such a big deal? I just don't want sham elections passed on as real. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

26. It's like not inviting your aunt and uncle and cousins to the family reunion.

[GOTV]

32. What is it then? Who cares if they're seated? Isn't the only issue who's votes count? n/t

[joshcryer]

9. You'd be more pissed if the DNCs caucusing "alternate arrangement" made you stand in line 3 hours.

Only to not get allowed into the caucus location after it was filled and would have been breaking fire regulations. Which happened in a lot of cases throughout this political season. Once full caucus doors are closed and no one is allowed in.

In FL to the tune of about 150k people getting their voices heard.

A tenth of what got heard in their primary that the DNC doesn't recognize.

But fortunatley the DNC is clearly going to recognize them.

[GOTV]

15. Right I'd want to vote but they didn't hold a real election, they held a no-count election....

... and now they want us to pretend it was a real election.

Can no one tell the difference anymore? What's next? Open the polls randomly and count those who show up by accident? Hey it wouldn't be fair to toss the votes of the people who showed just because others guessed the wrong day.

I thought 2000 would be a fluke but it's becoming a habit.

[bellasgrams]

14. don't know about MI but can't claim that about FL they had a

hugh voter turnout. Plus BO promised them if he won they WOULD BE seated. See what kind of a person he is and in MI the DNC and Hillary offered to have a revote and BO refused. What's he afraid of?

[GOTV]

18. FL was also a no-count election - changing the rules after the fact doesn't make it count...

Plus I don't believe your statement about Obama. He doesn't run the DNC so how can he make that promise?

[bellasgrams]

27. Funny but the people thought there was a chance their votes

would count or they wouldn't have been counted. BO told these same people he would see the votes got counted if he won. He was the only candidate that broke the agreed to 'no campaigning'. I know at least 3 families that will not vote Dem in the GE if their votes don't count they way the people voted. I look for McCain to win. BO's people say they won't vote for Hillary and I think people are surely rethinking their votes for BO now that they know more about him and his true voting.

[GOTV]

30. Possibly they thought that - possibly they came out to vote for local issues - no difference -

You don't get a valid election telling people their votes won't be counted - some people stay home and you don't get to screw them over.

I know the difference between a real election and and pretend one. When MI and FL have real elections they can be counted.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_bp1dTA4

[democrattotheend]

22. Turnout was heavily skewed towards home owners

Most people came out to vote because of the property tax amendment. A lot of Obama's voters, including young people and students, probably did not turn out because they don't own property and did not care about the initiative. And Obama did not have the right to do any voter mobilization to get these groups to turn out. Plus, Clinton had AFSCME and EMILY's List and other surrogate groups down there campaigning for her, and Obama didn't.

[bellasgrams]

28. I don't believe that BO didn't have a group down there. His MO

is not one that would not try to pull it off. Besides there are more retirees than kids wanting to vote.

[GOTV]

31. Your supposition does not turn the pretend election into a real one

Real elections don't start with the announcement that we're not going to count the votes anyway but feel free to cast a ballot if you want.

I want our elections to be real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTY_bp1dTA4

[C_U_L8R]

3. The disingenuousness just drips off of that Hillary email.

How about a revote Hillary?
That is the only fair way to ensure everyone who wants to vote gets to vote.

[anonymous171]

4. Her stance of SDs betrays her whenever she tries to pull this shit.

[joshcryer]

10. If the SDs select Obama enmasse as many here predict, it won't matter.

I don't know what the controversey is.

[anonymous171]

12. She says they shouldn't pay attention to the will of the voters.

And then she turns around and says "Every vote should count." Not very consistent.

[Debi]

24. HELLO - Every Vote Should Count

For Hillary :bounce:

x(

[DJ13]

8. we are all equal in the voting booth

"Thats why Im trying to get the super delegates to overrule your vote for the convention."

-Im not Hillary Clinton, and I do not approve of her message

[joshcryer]

11. She still hopes to win the popular vote, she just doesn't want MI and FL to be discounted.

Because it would be impossible to catch up if their vote isn't counted in the consideration of SDs.

[bellasgrams]

19. Now I just wonder what BO would do if HE were in her shoes?

Ya think he would just give up and let them ^&%#$@+ him over?

[madfloridian]

16. Did that come today? After Dean met with FL?

That's pretty nervy. I am going to link your post with the email to my post about Wasserman Schultz.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1960

[HockeyMom]

20. Just got in when I posted it

[madfloridian]

21. Look what I found just now....they are really pushing this.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/02/clinton_backers_urge_superdelegates_to_push_mich_fla_elections?mode=PF

"Clinton backers urge superdelegates to push Mich., Fla. elections
April 2, 2008

BOSTON --Supporters of Hillary Clinton are urging the state's Democratic superdelegates to push for the votes in Michigan and Florida to count in the party's presidential nominating process.

Senate President Therese Murray headlined the rally on the Statehouse steps Wednesday.

She said party leaders can't ignore the more than two million voters in the two states who cast ballots. She said the party should hold a full primary in Michigan and either seat the Florida delegates or hold a new primary there too.

The party stripped the states of their delegates to the national convention because they moved their primaries to January.

Clinton, who is trailing Barack Obama, is hoping for strong showings in both states."

[Debi]

25. Clinton needs the FL & MI Super Delegates that have endorsed her

How many is that?

Does anybody have that #?

[Debi]

23. I just got it myself

x(

What bullshit.

[NC_Nurse]

29. The trouble for me is I can see her writing just as "heartfelt" a letter for the

opposite point of view if that position gave her more votes. She is self-serving through and
through. Give me a break. :eyes: