On "All Things Considered", Donna Brazille says...

[Ned_Devine]

...that secretly, the superdelegates have basically already made up their minds but won't reveal until the end of June.

The plot thickens

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. It's an interesting take on the 50 state strategy.

Let every state have their say, then nominate Obama.

[NDambi]

3. exactly

[Blondiegrrl]

55. Good point. While I understand the urge to allow all 50 states to vote,

(I live in WV, so I haven't had a chance to vote yet) the simple fact is, once it's all said and done, OBAMA WILL STILL BE IN THE LEAD. I think the superdelegates are fully aware of this fact. And I am certain they will not vote against the candidate who is in first place.

[LiberalAndProud]

57. That's true, but the new voters we're drumming up will help

downticket. Look what's happening right now in PA.

[joshcryer]

2. And if they ignore the will of the people?

That'd be funny.

[NDambi]

5. No, it'd be destructive for maybe decades to come

[tekisui]

6. Well, it wouldn't be ha-ha funny.

But that's a "not gonna happen" hypothetical, anyway.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. They'd lose their party, and their positions this fall.

[tekisui]

4. MAny have hinted at this.

They have made mention of "things working themselves out" that the supers will have a "superdelegate Primary in June" to prevent it from going to the Convention. Many have alluded to the fact that they are not worried about the way it will end.

I think they are respecting Hillary's right to run to the end of the voting season, and then will make it very clear.

[Tellurian]

7. Donna Brazille needs to go..

she's become a wild eyed, entrenched, sycophant-

[tekisui]

10. She also knows what many superdelegates are doing and thinking.

[Tellurian]

34. Well,she threatened to leave the Party, if they don't vote HER Way!

F-her!

[tekisui]

38. She threatened to leave the Party if SuperD's voted against the

leader in the Popular Vote and the Pledged Delegate count, which is an arguably valid reason.

[Ned_Devine]

39. that's what I thought her plan was

[Tellurian]

41. Here's an article you may be interested in reading..

Hillary leads in the Popular Vote and Electoral votes.

If the Republican formula of 'winner take all' is applied to the Primaries..

Hillary wins there too..

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html

[CreekDog]

43. how do you decide how to count? depending upon which day of the week it is?

:eyes:

[Tellurian]

48. No, just back off and realize...Obama isn't all that!

[Ned_Devine]

50. You're right. He's too darn like-able! That bastard! haha

[CreekDog]

51. didn't say he was

:rofl:

[Tesha]

61. And "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride"

> If the Republican formula of 'winner take all' is applied to the Primaries..

And "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride".

Tesha

[Joe the Revelator]

11. I take it she's dead to you.

[Tellurian]

35. Trying to start more trouble Wolsh?

After you started that malicious malevolently inspired rumor, Hill supporters were going to crash DU?

[Joe the Revelator]

49. Quit whining Trollian. Sorry I ruined your adolesant "fun".

[Tellurian]

58. I'm sure you're real sorry..

that partisan bleating will cost you a $25 donation to DU. Skinner's new rule. Use of partisan epithets become automatic DU revenue. "Troll" (or derivatives thereof) being one of them. If you fail to pay your fine, (aka "donation") you will be summoned to "DU Court" within 10 business days.. (no excuses, PayPal doesn't recognize your account) I suggest, you get right on it!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. A wild-eyed, entrenched, sycophant...

A wild-eyed, entrenced, sycophant...

Hmm.

What an interesting choice of words.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Those are relatively complex words for Tellurian.

I wonder if Tellurian came up with them originally, or heard them somewhere else.

[CreekDog]

44. oh come on, he can read

he only skips some words when he doesn't like them. :think:

[redqueen]

23. It's part of why I can't stay away from this place...

:rofl:

[Cha]

20. Kind a like

it's describing itself.

[Forkboy]

47. Takes one to know one, and all that.

:)

[SoFlaJet]

17. this is the thing that gets me about the Clinton people here

it's a disturbing trend where they immediately demonize anybody who doesn't support their candidate. What ever happened top being democrats? I've seen this every single time a SD has come out for Obama. Where were the Murtha is an idiot thread after thread from Obama supporters? There weren't any.

[redqueen]

25. Better still is the projection...

of that very behavior onto Obama supporters.

There was a thread about Helen Thomas endorsing Clinton, and there were all these posts about how Obama's supporters were going to throw her under the bus in 3, 2, 1... but... *crickets*

It's so entertainingly pathological. It's like a soap opera!

[SoFlaJet]

27. Queenie,

I was thinking about starting a thread where we Obama supporters can say something good about a HRC super delegate. What made me think of it was seeing Chuck Schumer asking questions on TV today and I remembered what a great job he did in '06 getting us the senate. And Murtha-you can't GET me to say a bad thing about him-he is one of our heroes. The Clinton people use names like Judas at people like Richardson-for cripes sake.

[redqueen]

28. Sounds like a great idea to me!

And yeah... rationalizing calling him Judas... really... wtf?!

[hisownpetard]

37. "...entertainingly pathological." Yeah, that's exactly it!

:yourock:

[Ned_Devine]

33. Really? To me, Brazille has seemed to have remained one of the most...

...level headed and soft spoken throughout this process. How would you describe James Carville? maybe I just fell off the turnip truck, but he has appeared to be a bit "wild eyed" himself as of late.

[Tesha]

60. "And she doesn't support MY candidate!" you forgot to add. (NT)

[Pirate Smile]

8. They already know Obama has won the nomination.

So do most of us.

[writes3000]

12. We have a winner! And this really explains Bill C's freak out...

And it explains why the SDs were trying to get Bill to stop Carville from insulting SDs who support Obama.

[Tatiana]

24. VERY good point. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

56. The Clintons seem convinced that Obama can't win

the general election according to someone on KO tonight. Despite the votes, despite the crowds, despite the voter turnout and new registrations he's generating, despite his inspiring speeches, big endorsements, and a constant trickle of new ones day by day--for some reason they are telling the SD's that he can't win! And against McCain--a guy who, if I ever saw a candidate who really doesn't want to win, he's it! And his followers don't seem too enthusiastic either. Obama's out-fundraising him five-to-one.

Why do they refuse to believe their own eyes and ears?

[Tesha]

62. It's quite possible he *CAN'T* win the general Election.

> The Clintons seem convinced that Obama can't win the
> general election according to someone on KO tonight.

It's quite possible he *CAN'T* win the general Election.
But it's essentially a *CERTAINTY* that Clinton can't win
it either, so I'd rather go with the possibility of defeat
than the certainty of it.

And I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised if Americans
turn out to be much better people than I'm giving them
credit for; it happened in Massachusetts and it could
just happen across all of America.

Tesha

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Yep. The only folks still in the dark are the Clintons and their hard core true-believers.

[quantass]

13. woohoo President Barack Obama '08!!

[DearAbby]

14. Well it makes me feel somewhat better

Let Hillary run the race, just keep it on a better level. No more slash and burn campaigning. She has that right. But in the end the people will have decided.

[Cha]

19. I wonder how she knows this?

And if it is then Obama has July, August, September & October to beat mccain.

[writes3000]

21. Remember the Clinton SD who said he'd be shocked if Obama wasn't the nominee?

Remember other SDs saying confidently that this would be decided before the convention?

We're getting more and more signs of a consensus.

[sandnsea]

26. I suppose they're right

It probably is better if they just let the voting finish, that way they can't be accused of overturning the will of the Hillary voter either. Aargh. I guess the lies are going to continue.

[DJ13]

29. If they already know then they are scum to allow our party to be further damaged

Keeping our party from acknowledging one candidate for another 3 months while McCain gets to run mostly uncontested is a seriously stupid thing to do.

[Ned_Devine]

30. Obama has really turned his focus on criticizing McCain lately...

...Hillary has as well creating a two pronged attack on him, so it's not all bad. She is aslo running a nasty "behind the scenes" attack on Obama that bums me out too, though

[Cha]

31. The way to go for Team Obama..

and all he has to do is point out the facts on mccain and hilary ..not have some aids scour through their papers for some smear fodder.

Are they going to debate again?

[writes3000]

32. There have been so many accusations of disenfranchising voters

That the party has to be careful to allow everyone to have their say.

Plus, they need to show the Clinton's voters that they didn't push her out. It's actually key to winning them back.

[madfloridian]

36. Brazile has been a good steady voice for the Democrats.

There is such criticism of her now at DU. I don't always agree with her, but she is a calm voice and good spokesperson.

[flpoljunkie]

40. And, we have really needed a calm, steady voice like hers this year.

[Bucky]

42. Game theory suggests they would only stay mum if prolonging the race helps their side.

To me, that reads "Clinton". By the weird rules of the game of public perception, Obama is helped by support from a Super, while Clinton's negatives would only be reinforced by a public pledge from a Super. It makes sense for SDs to hold out their support for Clinton until she starts winning enough big states for Supers to go public. If she caves, or fails to reach the threshhold, then it's in their interests to stay mum until forced to take a side.

Of course, that's just game theory. Occam's razor would suggest that they are simply holding out until they know who the winner is, thereby staying in the good graces of the eventual nominee.

[writes3000]

53. They need to wait so the public doesn't feel like they've made a rash decision.

Certain people will complain that the SDs are taking the decision out of their hands.

I think this is very pro-Obama.

[Kahuna]

45. I know that's right. What they are doing is endorsing Obama in oneses and twoses..

hoping that the Clintons won't notice until Obama has the majority of SDs, making it impossible for billary to prevail.

I can't wait for billary to wake up to what's going on. :popcorn:

[Orangepeel]

46. That's consistent with plans moving forward to seat FL and MI

which can only happen if the nominee is already decided by the convention.

[davidpdx]

52. Here's a running total of people "dead" to the Clinton campaign

Randi Rhodes
Air America
Howard Dean
Donna Brazile
Bill Richardson
Keith Olbermann
Bill Bradley
Chris Matthews
Ted Kennedy
John Kerry

Did I forget anyone?


What will Hillary supporters boycott next:

a) CBS
b) The New York Times
c) The Internet
d) All media

I'm voting for d

[redqueen]

59. ...

:rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

54. Hey Donna!!!!!

Thank you for your wisdom, excellent strategic thinking, your warm presence, and how you almost won the presidency for Al Gore.

If there is a worse person than Mark Penn on strategy, it would have to be Donna Brazille.
(Does anyone remember her post-Katrina kind words for Bush?)

She really has done so much, I wish she would just go away.