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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:16 AM
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Obama should go all-in in Pennsylvania and end this race
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:21 AM by TAWS
He should spend the whole next 4 weeks campaigning in the state and spend as much money as he has. Call in as much favors to get endorsements, bus volunteers to the state, and attack her on NAFTA at the debate. Hillary cannot recover from a loss or close win in Pennsylvania. If he doesn't stop her at Pennsylvania, the race will go on for at least 1 and a half months.

Pennsylvania will be important in the GE and all the campaigning he does will also help him in the GE. North Carolina and Indiana are also important but he will likely not win them in GE.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:22 AM
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1. A satellite town hall meeting broadcast in many states, and with
questions taken from each, would be great. It would also allow people from different states to hear just how similar their concerns are to those of other places. Maybe take questions for an hour instead of 30 minutes...

It would be very expensive, but he's got the money to do it.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:35 AM
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7. live webcast everything!!!!!
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:23 AM
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2. I believe so to. A win there would pretty much sew this up. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:24 AM
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3. I think he opened the bank on the media buys
some are saying that he is outspending her 4:1
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:13 AM
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20. Misleading.
Clinton doesn't need to outspend him--remember, she's got PACs up the wazoo working for her, so she doesn't need to spend her own money when she has others spending theirs for her.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:25 AM
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4. it's more cost-effective to cover all the different states
he doesn't need PA, he can get what he can, and win large margins in the other and he'll be good as gold
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:48 AM
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11. But a win in PA will end this
Superdelegates will flock to Sen Obama.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:38 AM
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26. Clinton has the entrenched, pre-established Democratic Machine in her corner.
Yes, Obama has lots of money and volunteers but a great deal of his organization had to be built from ground up.

Furthermore, is there electronic voting?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:50 AM
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28. I have no idea about the electronic voting
I just feel that after the high expectations of her in PA, if she loses, the press will be merciless and if there is a large wave of superdelegates announcing for Sen Obama - hopefully enough to put him over 2025 - that'll be that.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:25 AM
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5. PA is important and attainable, but the 50 state strategy should stand...
my view, something of my admiration for Dean, and OR hasn't voted yet!
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:26 AM
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6. I agree. If he muscles out a comeback there, it would exhaust every last argument from the Clinton
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:27 AM by PseudoIntellect
campaign about how she could win it still.

But lose by just 1 vote, and Hillary will undoubtedly throw a party and gain some momentum. I'm guessing it'll be around 5-8% victory for HRC. Hopefully he'll close the lead some more this month.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:48 AM
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8. She won't drop out no matter how PA turns out
mho

k/r
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:07 AM
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9. She will after enough
Super Delegates throw their support behind him, which is what they will have to do if they want to avoid a big convention fight and a loss in November.

If Obama can win Pennsylvania, it is over for the Clintons. They will have no momentum (as if she really HAD any) and no money.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:59 AM
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19. If he wins PA it's over
Even some of her advisers concede that.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:39 AM
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27. You mean like after Obama wins Texas, it's over?
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:52 AM
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29. Yeah, like that.
It's already over, it's just that the superdelgates will make it official after Pennsylvania.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:09 AM
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33. If he'd won the popular vote, it might have been
Although the fact that she won Ohio by 10 points gave her credibility to stay in it.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:25 AM
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23. I'm with you guys but
I've seen the determination and power of candidates backed by war profiteers, energy transnationals and the medical industry before...

in many, many campaigns

I'm hopeful... sorry I'm not optimistic

hope for the best, be prepared for the worst
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:46 AM
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10. Risky...Then if he loses by a few points the media will say it's a crushing defeat
At the end of the day, he needs to do significantly better with white voters in Pennsylvania than he did in Ohio and keep it close. That will give him all the ammunition he needs with the party to say he's a reliable choice as the nominee.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:50 AM
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12. I disagree with you about attacking her
this is exactly what the Clinton campaign wants. The other things seem like good ideas. I honestly don't think he'll win Penn outright, but he may be able to keep her win to a very minimal gain in delegates.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM
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35. Better to just ignore her, just like fly on shit. McCain is the real opponent now.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:53 AM
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13. I 100% agree. If he wins PA then Hillary WILL quit and the SDs will flock to him!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 06:54 AM
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14. I don't think she'd drop out. They've got themselves convinced
they will be living in the White House again, no matter what they have to say and do.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:17 AM
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16. I think Obama can win Kansas
Call me crazy

even Republicans are sick of Bush and corruption

you watch
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:16 AM
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15. An early defeat of Clinton by SD's will fuel her arguments and hurt us
MHO is that Senator Obama is well advised and correct in this matter.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:18 AM
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17. Yah - because his strategy has SUCKED so far...
Gotta love DUers and their 1000s of miles away armchair strategery.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:59 AM
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18. I'm really torn. Probably too risky
He is gaining traction in PA, but I am afraid if he goes all in it will up the ante, and Clinton still has a lot of advantages. Obama needs to avoid getting blown out in PA but he can't make it a must-win for himself. If he goes all in and he pulls off an upset, it's over, but if he goes all in and doesn't win, it'll be a much bigger setback than if he sticks to the current strategy. I figure the campaign has internal polls and they can make the judgment as it gets closer about whether to go for the knock-out punch or continue to downplay expectations.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:16 AM
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21. PA has openly admitted that they will NEVER vote for a "colored"...
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 08:18 AM by quantass
so i think it foolish for Obama to put all his eggs in one basket if the majority of voters have said in the news that they will not vote for him simply because of his color. Ed Rendell even admitted so too that the voting block will not vote for someone of color...granted this man is biased towards Clinton but when you look at the demographics of this state it looks crazy to focus too much on it. I think his goal is to try to reduce the damage by focusing attention on Philly and Pits...but not so much that he forgets about the upcoming more important contests of NC, and IN.

I'd be very pleased if he walks away with a 10-15pt loss. He can make up for it with a big win in NC.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:26 AM
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24. Evidence of this assertion is anecdotal and refuted by the polls
White Fright is a canard

nevertheless I concur with your conclusions
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:25 AM
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22. I agree. It is time to take the bull by the horns and end this thing once and for all.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:36 AM
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25. Isn't that what she tried on February 5th?
:shrug:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:59 AM
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30. He is out-spending Hillary 3 or 4-1 in PA...
So, it appears he is trying to do exactly as you suggest. He also understand the importance of the popular vote in PA. He cannot let Hillary overtake him in the popular vote. That is her only chance for legitimacy.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:01 AM
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31. I don't agree. Keep riding steady, and let Veruca embarrass herself some more
The 50 state strategy is working fine. Just a few more weeks till Veruca puts the final nail in her own coffin.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:21 AM
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32. Exactly. Hire another 50 field workers at $50,000 TOTAL over the next 2-3 weeks.
And get their message out there.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM
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34. I say he keeps doing what he's been doing.
He and Axelrod have brought us this far, I'll say their judgment is better than mine.

Obama is campaigning like hell in PA, but he's not going to abandon other states.

And judging by the poll swings, I'd say he's having quite an effect.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:11 AM
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36. He doesn't want to campaign too hard in a state most see him losing by double digits
even though now a couple polls seem to be disagreeing with that. If he campaigns hard and loses, it could come back and hurt him.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:13 AM
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37. Agreed.
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