Sexist Attacks on Hillary Clinton HURT ALL WOMEN

[LulaMay]

Why Calling Out Misogyny Matters

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/03/30/why-calling-out-misogyny-matters/

[HCE SuiGeneris]

1. Hillary supporter's racist attitudes HURT ALL AMERICANS.

[saracat]

3. Always have to counter with that argument as though race is somehow more important?

Sexism is equally as important an issue as racism and neither should be diminished. Both are evil none more than another.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. Always?

Umm, no. Lula repeats this 50 times a day. I thought I might counter with a relevant point. Both forms of discriminatory behavior are abhorrent.

[kwenu]

120. You can't bring up one and then get upset when someone talks about the other also.

They're both front and center issues at the moment. It's naive to say we're going to talk about one and not the other in the context of this election cycle.

[emilyg]

8. Give it a rest.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. Yes. Please do.

[polpilot]

64. The Clinton's garner disrespect the old fashion way, They Earn It!!

Snipergate, Lewinskygate, Vote for Iraq War-gate, Flowers-gate, Support NAFTA-gate,...O.K. let's open it up: A lifetime of sociopathic, greed, dishonest, manipulative behavior by a disadvantaged 'person of the hills'

[PBS Poll-435]

98. Bill & Hillary Also....

Held up the Moon at gunpoint and stole his green cheese. If the media would stop covering for them, you would know this!

[JoFerret]

47. Sorry to have to break this to you

but some black people are, well, actually, you know,.... female.

And another funny thing; some women are ....um...well...black.

And divisive identity politics is an old game. And is always with us.

And if you don't believe it is with the Obama campaign then you are not operating in a reality zone.(Just check out(some) of the Obama support threads and posts here on GD-P.

[niceypoo]

61. Hillary supporters are racists?

That is a racist statement

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

112. Hillary supporters are their own race now?

Interesting.

[rodeodance]

62. Too bad it was the BO camp who played the race card--recall the 4 page memo?

[UALRBSofL]

85. That is just silly season BushDespiser

You don't know if I'm black or white so to say that is just disingenuous and shows your ignorance of the mix of Clinton supporters

[Texas Hill Country]

110. she is not a damn racist!!! This is an out and out LIE.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

125. She just defended a banned racist in another thread.

So did you, as a matter of fact.

Or were you talking about Hillary?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

132. To which Hillary supporter are you referring?

[SeattleGirl]

2. Racism AND sexism hurt everyone.

Including those who use those tactics as arguments FOR their candidate.

[anamandujano]

13. Obama used both against Hillary, calling racism when there was none,

and outright sexism.

[Yes We Did]

15. You guys and your fake outrage are so cute.

Obama has done neither. Keep hoping though... Oh wait, you don't believe in "hope"

"Hope" is "just a word"

[anamandujano]

25. It's real outrage and it's going to kick Bama's @ss. Voters don't

do what the MSM asks. Most everyone knows they talk non-stop trash.

[barb162]

129. It's going to happen and I'll enjoy watching Obama squirm.

It's about time he stops his dirty campaign.

[barb162]

128. He's a liar; He's swiftboated Clinton and admitted it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5355716

He only admits things after he's caught

[SeattleGirl]

18. I'm sorry, but I'm not giving Senator Clinton a pass on this.

She and her campaign have also used racism, i.e., "Barack is a Christian, as far as I know."

I'm not saying that Senator Obama gets a clean report from me, but I am saying that Senator Clinton doesn't get one either.

[anamandujano]

23. She's not part of his family. "As far as I know" is the best anyone can do.

This is such bull crap. Have you never heard real racism?

[SeattleGirl]

28. Yes, I have, as a matter of fact.

Spent a lot of time in the south in the early 60's. Saw "White's Only" and "Blacks Only" signs all over the place.

Heard the "N" word used quite often.

Saw black people treated like animals.

Next question?

Edited to add: That remark of hers was designed to plant doubt into the minds of anyone who supports, or is thinking of supporting, Senator Obama. Trying to claim differently is racist.

And if you must know, I still see it today.

[anamandujano]

39. Catholic or Muslim? How is that racist?

Don't be f'ing ridiculous.

Fairy tale? Cut the crap please.

[SwampG8r]

77. no non no

if someone starts cutting crap hilliary ends up like 10 pounds of olive loaf going out a deli door

[SeattleGirl]

131. What the HELL are you talking about?

[barb162]

124. Yes, I believe he does that.

Criticism of Obama becomes racism, which is ridiculous. (If someone doesn't like his health care plan, thye're racists?)

[LaurenG]

68. Absolutely!

:hi:

[Forkboy]

4. The trouble that is happening though...

..is that both the sexism charge and the racism charge are being lobbed about so casually that when the real thing arises no one takes it seriously. In that regard this race has hurt both causes.

[SeattleGirl]

6. Absolutely, Forkboy.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[emilyg]

11. Agree.

[damonm]

118. Wish I could K&R this - needs a wider hearing.

[Alexander]

5. Hint: It wasn't an Obama supporter who was banned today for bigoted attacks.

Surely you took great exception to Herman Munster's racist attacks just as much as you do sexist attacks, right?

Right?

[greguganus]

86. Herman's gone?

Looking for new member "Eddie Munster" to sign on soon.

[UALRBSofL]

89. What? Herman is gone

What in the world? I always liked reading his posts. He kept up with polls and posted the good polls in favor of Hillary. Alexander, you mean Herman was T.S.? What is this world coming to? "Come back Herman, come back Herman". "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you get".

Herman was one of the good guys on DU because he always posted interesting and thought provoking posts. :-( :mad: :wtf: :wow: :shrug: :cry: :rant:

[thewiseguy]

116. You have got problems if you think he was one of the "good guys"

[mrreowwr_kittty]

111. LulaMay? No way. Racism doesn't seem to bother her. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

113. Oh noes!

Herman got ethnically cleansed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4736708&mesg_id=4736708

:rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. So do false flags of victimhood

that make your argument weak
playing to the emotions of disingenuous
arguments of real misogyny.

Don't play that game, you are
gasping at straws, that the whole nation
can see.

You are using a botox argument
to strengthen false feminism.

[flor de jasmim]

9. Don't forget ageism... we've seen everything in this race.

What makes Obama so compelling is NOT his race - it's his message.
What turns people off about Clinton is NOT her gender - it's her campaign style.
What turns people off about McCain is NOT his age - it's his policies.

So all this talk of race, gender and age is a DISTRACTION. It's the easy "gotcha".

[saracat]

16. Yeah, there has been a lot of ageism directed to older women

and Obama himself has indicated his distain for "boomers'. yeah ageism is a factor but it hasn't been directed that much at McCain.

[anonymous171]

26. How about the "Obama kid" slur that's thrown around here?

Totally not ageist at all.

[IndyHatedByBothSides]

66. And Hillary's "Obama lacks experience" is not ageist? NT

[RC]

50. Bingo! You got it dead center.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. The fact is

discussing race on this board can get you banned, but calling Clinton a "cunt" will only get your post deleted.

[Forkboy]

22. Your continued implication of mod bias is weak.

Not to mention cowardly as I doubt you have the guts to say that to Skinner himself.

Herman got banned because he (say it with me) REPEATEDLY posted race baiting shit over and over. He wasn't trying to "discuss" jack shit.

I bet if the person who called her cunt does it again he'll be pushing up the daisies just as your friend is.

[Alexander]

27. I agree 100% with this reply.

:thumbsup:

We DUers with long memories know Herman posted race-baiting shit long before today. If anyone posts sexist crap about Hillary repeatedly they'll get banned, and deservedly so.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. You're getting a bit stalkery

in your responses to me.

Herman wasn't my friend. I have no idea who he was. Saw some of his threads, that's about it.

So far, the people who called Hillary a cunt still haven't been tombstoned.

And what exactly is cowardly about my posts? It's not like Skinner can't read what I write here.

[Forkboy]

133. Then alert and tell Skinner I'm stalking you.

Should be good for a laugh.

You continually try to use one shitty thing to excuse another, and I'll call you on it every time I see it.

And what's cowardly is dancing around the bias charge without having the guts to come right out and say it.

[dsc]

51. Presumedly Skinner can easily find out about this post

but the poster is correct. Racism is treated differently here than either sexism or homophobia. The latter two used to not even merit the removal of posts until people repeatedly complained about that fact. And still racists are banned much faster than either homophobes or sexists. It is really true.

[UALRBSofL]

88. dsc thisis very true

did you see the post yesterday about same sex marriage? I about dropped my false teeth in the floor. Many, many people on DU do not agree on this issue and I was quite honestly shocked I tell you. I had to just walk away from the post because it disturbed me so much.

[dsc]

94. It has gotten better

for the longest time we had Ann (Coulter) the Trannie threads and (insert evil person here) is gay threads. Those have largely disappeared.

[Forkboy]

134. I know it happens dsc, but MF is using one to excuse another.

It's ALL wrong, and most of us alert on all of it when he see it instead of using it as a way to excuse the other.

[OzarkDem]

75. That's very true

There is sometimes a double standard being applied here, intentional or otherwise.

I think some people mistake demeaning sexist remarks about women for being "sexually liberated".

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

114. You've insisted Obama is a muslim, OD.

All you got was a suspension.

:shrug:

[Apollo11]

17. Thanks for posting this

Excellent article. Especially this part:

You may note a theme in the “just not this woman” rationales given here: It’s not that I don’t want a woman to run, it’s just that Hillary’s not a “real woman” because she’s trying too hard to be a man.

Which, honestly, makes me laugh. Because not only has she been slammed for being too feminine (i.e., the New Hampshire voice break that got blown up into a crying jag), but she’s also been slammed as a cold, calculating ballbuster. IOW, she’s got to walk the same line as any other woman who’s trying to get ahead in a male-dominated field, and she’s being subjected to the same impossible standards of being tough but not too tough, feminine but not too feminine, etc., etc., etc. And she, like a lot of other women, just can’t win.

[Heathen57]

45. IMO, Sexism is not the problem that Clinton has.

It is her demeanor and the way her campaign has been run. I would decry any male candidate just as harshly if they had her record in the Senate and ran their campaign as she has.

What I see as being hurtful to all women is the constant cries of "Sexism! Sexism!" when there isn't any such thing. It makes the real sexism that happens less noticed and more easily denied.

[Writer]

19. A repost from an earlier thread on this topic:

If Senator Clinton does not gain the nomination, I think in a year or more we are going to look back at the gender politics surrounding her campaign with a very regretful eye, especially when measuring that against the racial politics surrounding Obama's campaign. Are we ready for a black president? YES. Are we ready for a female president? NO.

This entire primary has been a nauseating crash course on identity politics - identity politics that have fomented homophony to the point where I don't think we can even identify true examples of racism and sexism in this race anymore.

And women? After feeling my stomach churn when watching promos for NBC's "Lipstick Jungle," a few thoughts came to mind about modern concepts of feminism. During Hillary Clinton's 20's and 30's, feminism meant achieving an equal standing with men in the public sphere. It meant that womens' ideas should be respected on the same level as mens' ideas. However, men do not respond to womens' minds as much as they respond to womens' sexualities, and over the last few decades young women entering the workforce began to equate power in the workplace with their own sexual power: something a few sociologists have labeled "lipstick feminism." "Sex and the City," "Desperate Housewives," and the like all explore these themes. It's like Dynasty redone for the corporate world. A woman gets ahead not only by being smart, but also by turning her managers' heads... but never put out. Nope. You're only supposed to use men. After all, they're using you too, right? (Damn those men. Who needs 'em?)

So does sexism surrounding Clinton's campaign derive from men? Hardly. I think it derives from women. Hillary Clinton isn't sexy enough, it seems. She's not willing to hunch over and show a little skin while discussing health care reform. She's a dyspeptic relic. If only she sported a pair of Manolo's, and rolled her eyes a bit more at her philandering husband, would she ever win over the modern feminist. But for now, we'll just wad up this brilliant and capable woman and toss her in the trash. After all, Obama's much better looking, isn't he?

[jgraz]

24. America is MORE THAN READY for a female president

If we didn't want a female president, there's no way this cowardly, lying, triangulating corporate toady would have gotten as far as she did.

[Writer]

29. Obama is also a cowardly, lying, triangulating corporate toady.

He just hasn't been raked over the coals for 15 years... but I'm certain that, after the Republicans and the disenchanted Democrats get done with him, that we'll apply the label DLC to him and blame him for each and every nasty and derogatory behavior possibly conceived. After the lights dim and the stage clears he is, after all, only a politician.

America is NOT ready for a female president.

[jgraz]

33. I'm sure you'd like to believe that narrative, but it just isn't true

He may indeed have some of those characteristics, but nothing near the level that Hillary does. If you look at it objectively, you'll see that Hillary is vulnerable to the same criticisms that were leveled at Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale and even Carter to some degree -- she's too programmed, to uncomfortable in her own skin and too untrustworthy.

THAT'S why she's losing. People just don't like what they see in her, and they DO like what they see in Obama. It has very little to do with race or gender.

[Writer]

34. Well you're welcome to believe THAT narrative, as well.

But I don't believe you are correct, either.

I'd love to see the public outrage the next time a couple of hecklers unfold a "Iron My Shirt!" sign during a rally of hers.

Or when so many join a Facebook group entitled: "Hillary Clinton: Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich."

Or when a few media pundits imply that the only reason why she's where she is is because of her philandering husband (instead of her own intelligence and skill set.)

And besides, I think Barack Obama isn't comfortable in his skin, either. When he speaks, he lowers his voice by an octave and stiffens his back, almost to the point where he cocks his head backward while listening to Sen. Clinton speak at debates - like he's overcompensating for his relative youth and lack of exposure to federal governance.

But that's my viewpoint. And you don't have to agree with it.

[jgraz]

38. For every disgusting sexist attack on Hillary, there's been a disgusting racist attack on Obama

The difference is that most of the disgusting racist attacks are actually coming FROM Hillary and her campaign, as opposed to the random assholes who are going after Hillary.

[Writer]

36. Well you're welcome to believe THAT narrative, as well.

But I don't believe you are correct, either.

I'd love to see the public outrage the next time a couple of hecklers unfold a "Iron My Shirt!" sign during a rally of hers.

Or when so many join a Facebook group entitled: "Hillary Clinton: Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich."

Or when a few media pundits imply that the only reason why she's where she is is because of her philandering husband (instead of her own intelligence and skill set.)

And besides, I think Barack Obama isn't comfortable in his skin, either. When he speaks, he lowers his voice by an octave and stiffens his back, almost to the point where he cocks his head backward while listening to Sen. Clinton speak at debates - like he's overcompensating for his relative youth and lack of exposure to federal governance.

But that's my viewpoint. And you don't have to agree with it.

[anamandujano]

40. "If you look at it objectively" ROFL

[jgraz]

43. Don't even try -- you'll probably hurt yourself.

[PBS Poll-435]

104. Maybe they haven't seen enough of Obama to make an informed choice

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[barb162]

126. People are starting to get fed up with his arrogance, lies and insults

to other candidates.

He should give Clinton the courtesy of looking at her when she talks at a debate. Little things like that...people notice.

[jgraz]

130. Then why are his numbers going up in every poll while Hillary's go down?

:shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. well said

and it makes me very sad. The truth of the matter is that I cringe whenever a "feminist" attacks Clinton's feminist ideals.

I feel sometimes like giving up. The treatment Anita Hill was the last time I was so fundamentally disappointed in our society--just when it seemed that women mattered.

When I feel like giving up, I look at Clinton herself. The constant barrage of attacks about her very essence as a human must weigh on her. And still she gets up and fights for herself and for women and for me.

[Writer]

32. Thanks.

Watching the way public discourse about this primary has flowed for the last few months, I feel the same as I felt during the run-up to the Iraq War: only this time, instead of irrational fear we're operating on irrational exuberance.

[rodeodance]

72. "But still, like dust, I'll rise" from Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

yes, Maya praises Hillary for rising --Hillary still stands tall.

[OzarkDem]

76. I'm glad she's staying in the race

Its the ONLY way women ever manage to break the glass ceiling. Sheer endurance, standing up to the flamethrowers and persisting.

[goldcanyonaz]

48. Writer, great job. You're appreciated around here.

:thumbsup:

[UALRBSofL]

93. Writer, I said 2 years ago when the press was pressuring Hillary to throw her hat in

that I thought the country wasn't ready for a female president. I'm sure a lot of people on DU disagree with me but DU doesn't represent the country. Sadly, I am speaking the truth.

[kevinmc]

20. "Hillary Clinton is winning and Obama has been soundly defeated"

"Oh..... and Death to the Infidels"

Paid for by

[anamandujano]

42. Did you do 500 or 750 of your posts just like this? Was it all 1000?

[TLM]

21. Stop hiding behind women....

and trying to spin the rejection of Hillary as some sexist attack.

Are you saying that Hillary should be treated with kid gloves because she is female? That she shouldn't be criticized or called on her lies because that is somehow a sexist attack??

Hillary is not losing because of her vagina...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

80. LOL, I was just waiting for someone to mention the word "vagina"

Happens every time, like clockwork.

For many, that is their only focus when discussing women.

Sad, really.

[donheld]

31. False claimes of racism or sexism hurt everybody.

Kind of like the little boy or girl who cried wolf.

[bunnies]

35. Ive heard the word "sexist" more times since November

than I have in my entire life. Good grief. There is NO way I want to put up with 4 to 8 years of this crap. I'm tired of being made out to be weak by other females.

[quakerboy]

37. Sexist defenses of Hillary Clinton Hurt all Women MORE

[cali]

41. i agree with that

[JoFerret]

46. That is a very good piece

.

[melody]

49. My present deep dislike of Hillary has nothing to do with her gender

I'm a feminist. I've been battling sexism for longer than a lot of Hillary supporters.
If I gave her a pass for her divisive, destructive behavior because she IS female, I'd be the
one guilty of sexism.

[Darth_Kitten]

52. Right.

Feminists against Females, eh?

[melody]

107. How does being against one female make one against all females?

I'm not following your line of thought.

[Vinca]

53. Strong women ignore sexism. It's not flattering to allow yourself to be a victim. nt

[Darth_Kitten]

54. ???? No, STRONG women NEVER look the other way.

Strong women NEVER settle.

[Vinca]

57. Did I say settle? No, I didn't.

Strong women forge ahead and get on with life. I was the first woman police officer on a force a couple of decades back. You don't know sexism until you've persevered through something like that. Did you know there are cops who would actually watch a female officer wrestle a woman suspect to the ground - rather than assist in the arrest - because they enjoy a "cat fight?" If a woman expects to be Commander-In-Chief, she has to look past anyone or anything she might consider "sexist" and continue on her mission. If I was Hillary and was confronted with an "iron my shirt" sign I'd ask the person holding it what century they were born in and laugh in their face. There is nothing more unflattering than playing the victim card.

[spooky3]

70. You contradict yourself.

You say women should ignore sexism, but that "if I was Hillary and was confronted with an 'iron my shirt' sign I'd ask the person holding it what century they were born in and laugh in their face." That's not ignoring it, that's calling it out, and nothing will ever change if it is not called out. And if you read the entire linked article you will see that one key concern is that often no one else will call it out if you do not. The day that men speak up consistently and say, "that's not acceptable", and eventually the day people just don't do it in the first place, will be the day women can "ignore it."

What's especially ironic about what you have said is that, of course, Clinton didn't call them out. So how is she playing the victim but you aren't? She probably realizes she is in a no-win situation on this issue.

I was also a pioneer in several male-dominated jobs, and still am to some extent. I see very little of "playing the victim" in Clinton's behavior. And I see FAR TOO MUCH sexism exhibited by the media, at progressive sites, with far too little challenge by women and men.

[Vinca]

109. I give up. Poor, poor Hillary. She would be way ahead if only

the media would cut her some slack. But, because she's a woman, they pick and pick and pick and pick. Boo hoo. Doesn't matter she's running against a black guy with a name that rhymes with America's worst enemy. She's a woman - a victim - let's all give her special treatment. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I swear - it makes me ashamed to be a woman sometimes.:mad:

[Chalco]

60. The best revenge is doing well which is what Hillary has done.

[Evergreen Emerald]

90. No. That is absolutely wrong. We should not just take it and be silent

about sexism. That gets us no where. I know that the masses and the media have shut Clinton up about sexism...but to remain silent about it and just take it--does not solve the problem.

Sexism is the elephant in this election that cannot be named.


America has disappointed women again.

[UALRBSofL]

100. Vinca, strong men ignore racism. It's not flattering to allow yourself or your camp to be the victim

And planting these issues in the media is dishonest as well. I read a thread yesterday where Obama planted some stuff or leaked stuff to the media and it went on to say he apologized, or, something like that.

[WolverineDG]

55. Continually complaining about sexism hurts all women

especially when bringing up her IWR vote & lies about snipers is branded as "sexism."

:eyes:

dg

[Umbram]

56. And defending TS'd racist posters in other threads. (nt)

[WolverineDG]

59. link? nt

[bonnieS]

71. thank yoiu

Amazing that the first answer to this thoughtful, reasoned post was an attack. It is always which form of oppression is worse-- as in the childish whine: mommy treats you better than me! No thought that domestic violence is INCREASING, whether or not a few women are making a lot of money. Rape in the Congo and in the US military are at record levels. It was fine for a Republican candidate to preach the subjugation of women. What if he had preached the subjugation of black men? (I include black women with women, most people don't, I realize; see Congo reference above). Women's faces and bodies are still an industry. In real life, both black men and all women are exploited and therefore subjugated as a united class.

But no, we have to argue about WHO is more aggrieved, meaning always, to an awful lot of people, that women are not aggrieved at all.

Let's just say that racism and sexism are both crimes against humanity. What is the hope and change about if the entire campaign consists of sticking knives in each other and total negation of sexism as a reality at all? Simone deBeauvoir wrote that Woman was the first Other and that all other isms sprang from that--and that as long as women are oppressed all the other isms will flourish.

Let's get rid of ALL the isms in the brave new world we are looking to have. Or there is no hope and no change.

[Umbram]

96. Racism and sexism are equally bad and equally pervasive in this election

That said, I have no problem pointing out the hypocrisy the OPer engages in.

[BlooInBloo]

58. Good thing I don't use them then - phew!

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Thank you! Kicking and recommending!

[rodeodance]

65. Yes, sexism hurts all. Yet it is tolerated.

[IndyHatedByBothSides]

67. What about Hillary's fundraising goons beating up Pelosi?

[AngryAmish]

69. It doesn't hurt my mother

[OzarkDem]

73. Great essay

One of the money quotes...

"But (Clinton's) campaign has also prompted slurs and inflammatory language that many women thought had been banished from public discourse. Some women worry that regardless of how the election turns out, the resistance to Sen. Clinton may embolden some men to resist women’s efforts to share power with them in business, politics and elsewhere."

[indimuse]

74. yep..

K&R! THX.

[GoesTo11]

78. Slurs

The linked article lists a number of outright nasty attacks, e.g. B-word and worse. Those making these attacks are not trying to be fair. These attacks have no place and should just be repudiated.

It also lists some attacks that are sexist and revealing but perhaps more misguided than directly nasty, e.g. she's not feminine enough, she's not manly enough. These are honest and reveal where some people's thinking is. These can't just be repudiated. They should be refuted by pointing out that whatever your list of desirable qualities in a president -- decisiveness, communication, empathy, resolve -- these qualities are not the property of either gender. The discussion should be about whether the candidates have the qualities we want in a president, not about what gender is supposed to have or not have these qualities.

Finally, there are arguments about qualities (the article gives an example of a female professor whose colleagues said “She doesn’t authority"). If the reader thinks these qualities are female qualities and thus considers them attacks on women, that's just reinforcing the idea that these are female qualities. The right response if you disagree with such an argument is "She does project authority", rather than saying that failing to project authority is either a feminine trait or a result of having feminine traits in a sexist society (in the professor example, the article says that she was viewed as not having authority because students kept calling her by her first name, not by Dr. Smith. The article doesn't provide any evidence that students were actually doing this because of their sexism rather than due to her actual failure to project authority) If the candidate lacks a desirable trait, then just suck it up and say that the candidate has other good traits. Don't introduce or reinforce stereotypes.

The best way to respond to the various kinds of attacks and arguments is in a way that gives appropriate respect to the other side (or not so much respect if they're just name callers) and relies on reason rather than assertion. That will help all women and diminish unfair attacks in the election. Works on race too!

[mrJJ]

79. What about BS?

A Clinton Family Trait

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

another prediction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_eBIpEuO4U

[SeaLyons]

81. Great Post...K&R

Thanks LulaMay....

:kick:

[saltpoint]

82. Your idiotic assertions about the treatment of women would be

far more effective if "all" women saw "misogyny" where you see it, and in the same degree, and for the same reasons.

That is not the case.

Thank god.

The more vacuous and skewed her supporters are in their insistence that she is a victim of women-hating Obama voters, the more he looks like a leader and the more she is reduced to a cartoon.

[reflection]

83. Oh thank god

I heard a whining sound and thought my hard drive was going bad. But it was just another LulaMay sexism post.

[rodeodance]

84. REC

[zulchzulu]

87. Hillary Clinton lying all the time HURTS WOMEN

Her latest whopper about the sniper fire in Bosnia should be enough for women to understand that she is not a good role model, let alone a viable presidential candidate at this point.

[Political Heretic]

91. More importantly there's no need for sexist attacks - she fails miserably as a candidate

on so many other levels there's really no point in saying anything sexist even if someone wanted to.

Hillary Clinton's campaign has been run just about like Bush runs his Clinton-endorsed war -- failed to gather sufficient intelligence about conditions, failed to anticipate serious opposition, failed to have any strategy for the continuing battle, failed to bring enough resources to the battle, refuses to do anything but stay the course, goes into debt to stay in the fight...and on and on.

[sfam]

92. Mock victimization statements blur the issue, which ends up hurting all women as well.

That Hillary's campaign wants to turn every comment into a victim attack probably hurts women more. She makes it virtually impossible for the lay person to make sense out of some of these attacks which really are sexist, versus others, which her campaign is only claiming to be sexist for their political gain. This really does a disservice to all concerned.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

95. Agreed. Sexism is stupid. But neither should her gender put her above reproach. That's sexism, too.

IMHO

[undeterred]

97. Every attack on Hillary is not misogynist.

And for her to hide behind that makes things worse for all women. I know a misogynist attack when I see one. I know Republican men in general have contempt for women who do not "know their place". But her behavior this past 2 months has been childish and offensive. She does not make this woman proud.

[crankychatter]

99. The only sexist attack I've seen was from Gloria Steinem

It was also racist

when she asserted that the only reason white men vote for Obama is they want to associate themselves with the perceived virility of African American men.

otherwise, I haven't an effing clue what you're ranting about...

oh, wait, that's right

another post to stir the race/gender honeypot - questionably motivated

do you ever bore yourself?

*yawn*

[mrreowwr_kittty]

115. She actually said that? OMFG!

[crankychatter]

137. NY Times Op Ed

I paraphrased but didn't embellish one iota

it's also available on democracynow... just go to archives and keyword steinem debate

it's quoted there too

[yurbud]

101. I can think of women I'd vote for president without hesitation. Hillary removed herself from their

ranks

[rateyes]

102. It's a wet day in my neighborhood.

How about in yours?

[NDambi]

103. yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnn again

[whatchamacallit]

105. Could someone point to some recent posts that might have inspired the OP?

Apparently, there are tons of these misogynistic posts on DU. Being able to evaluate and compile terms that are considered, by consensus, sexist, would be useful in avoiding them. Please post links to your favorite offenders.

[Ordr]

106. Nonsense.

[Hugabear]

108. Not supporting Hillary Clinton equals sexism?

Please tell me if that's what you mean.

[LostinVA]

135. No but calling her a b*tch, c*nt, shrill, etc ARE sexist and it happens way too often around here

[ProSense]

117. How does the Timbaland fundraiser for Hillary fit into this?

More here.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

119. Howard Stern supports her too. nt

[ProSense]

121. The fundraiser was an event at Timbaland's home attended by the Clintons. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

123. But that's totally okay because it's the Clintons.

Obama must be raked over the coals for every questionable association, but when the Clintons do it, it's just an example of their experience and political savvy.

[NJmaverick]

122. I think using misogyny charges to go after Obama supporters

lessons the cause for true woman's rights

[LostinVA]

136. If people stop using sexist slurs against her, then there will be no "misogyny charges"

There's no need to go after her with sexist slurs, it's just as bad as using racist slurs against Obama.

[moondust]

127. What about misandry?

There's plenty of that to go around as well but you failed to mention it.