At this point I'm starting to feel pretty sad for Hillary's supporters

[SaveAmerica]

I'm sure they feel a need for change just as much as Obama's supporters do, and they're dying to replace W with someone who will make the country better. They are looking to the Clintons as a child looks to their parents when they're not sure of the future, when things are shaky and volatile and they need to be reassured. Although it is good to show your kids how to stick to your guns, at some point you've got to take their mental health into account. There are a LOT of Hillary supporters out there who don't know a lot of the issues that we do here, they're not getting the Dubai and other details on the nightly news. They are getting the clips of Hillary's positive sounding message that doesn't mesh with the reality of the numbers. I often ask myself how her supporters can feel any realistic hope at this point, then I hear what Bill Clinton said to the California Superdelegates and I realize this is coming from the top down.

I'm just feeling concerned for her supporters.

[Bonobo]

1. You know we are all excited aboout change and we would like Clinton supporters

to feel the excitement WE feel.

It is hard when they keep cutting down a person that inspires you.

[quantass]

14. I just hope they will feel it too when Obama runs in the GE

[SaveAmerica]

33. Thanks for your response, I was able to make the change from Edwards, I hope so too,

when/if that happens.

[ronnykmarshall]

39. and you do such a fine job of building that unity bridge.

:spray:

[Maddy McCall]

2. I'm doing great! Thanks for your concern.

I don't invest the totality of my being in the candidate I support.

If she doesn't make it, I'll be fine...as will most of the Hillary supporters that you imaginatively mischaracterize in your OP.

[LostinVA]

15. We are sharing a mind today, I swear

Beat me to it.

[SaveAmerica]

41. You guys are horrible, every single one of you who questioned my concerns

I didn't say Clinton's supporters are looking for substitute parents, just that we look up to those we are supporting and follow their lead. I had to do this with Edwards. I can't even believe how upset I am at your responses. You have to act like this to someone who really cares about people in her circle of friends and families?

I have forgiven a lot that you guys have posted here (in GD-PissOff), I've attempted to diffuse some of the hatred being slung. It's been like having that job in the parade, the guy who follows the horse with the bag and shovel. This big pile of donkey crap is getting too huge to manage.

[Name removed]

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[Marrah_G]

Nice analogy-

:eyes:

I'm going to leave it at that. Anything else I have to say would probably end up deleted. Suffice it to say, your comments make me think you are not a very nice person.

[EnviroBat]

19. Oh, now that just hurts...

:eyes:

[flor de jasmim]

4. How patronizing of you...

many of Hillary's supporters make a clear distinction between her CAMPAIGN (which is horrendous) and the policies she espouses, which are, for the most part, reasonable. As a former Edwards supporter, I chose Obama for reasons many did, and a personal desire not to continue a "dynasty" (however apt or inapt the description may be), but to assume that Hillary supporters are uneducated and looking for a mommy or daddy is offensive.

(rant off)

[slinkerwink]

5. I agree as well.

[SoFlaJet]

9. as an ex Edwards supporter

what I find most offensive (and you see it in EVERY fight thread) is how the Clinton people here never fail to question Obama supporters' intelligence. It's one of the reasons I CHOSE Obama over Clinton-the people here...

[Marrah_G]

20. I've never questioned an Obama supporters intelligence for supporting him.

I like Hillary. I like Obama. I chose to support Hillary. The fact that someone else chose to support Obama doesn't make them anything besides a Democrat supporting a different candidate then I am.

[SoFlaJet]

26. unlike half the Clinton supporters here

95% of us Obama people will vote democratic in November

[ronnykmarshall]

38. What a load of shit.

[Bonobo]

13. I couldn't respond to you PM

You can't receive PMs yet.

Anyway, I think I just got lucky with the positioning of the picture in the logo, that's all. I didn't have to play with it at all.

[DevonRex]

6. Yeah, me too.

I do feel sad for them. But I also wonder if they approve of Clinton's tactics. If so, then I'm not so sad for them. On the other hand, it's hard to watch a dream die, so maybe they're just blinded by that.

[SaveAmerica]

35. Thanks for your response, I'm also concerned about the death of a dream

[PBS Poll-435]

7. Forget Change,

Just change it back.

(Before President Pretzel)

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. what an ignorant condescending load of crap

I feel sorry for you. Your attempt to dehumanize and belittle Clinton supporters so that you can feel superior in your choice is laughable if it were not so dangerous to democracy.

De Tocqueville would be laughing along side of me.

[Hepburn]

22. Arrogant much? n/t

[mtnsnake]

10. You couldn't give 2 shits about Hill's supporters. Save your grief for when she hands BO his ass

on a silver platter. Then you can feel sorry for Obama's supporters (snicker)

There are a LOT of Hillary supporters out there who don't know a lot of the issues that we do here

Like what? How she's a bitch, whore, and a slut? Or like all the other bullshit that's invented here by so many trolls and nuts who are masquerading here as Obama supporters?

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[SaveAmerica]

36. I said Dubai, you said that other pile of crap, I don't even use words like that.

This is why I said supporters 'out there'.

[NDambi]

37. Silver Platter? Sorry Snake not gonna happen. Just accept it.

[Marrah_G]

12. Where to start.......

Your concern is filed where I file almost all other posts that use that term.

You have your candidate, we have ours. I won't backhandedly call you names, so why don't you try doing the same.

Not everyone thinks as you think.

You have no right to be questioning anyone's mental health.

But I am sure you didn't mean to do something as assholish as questioning someone's mental health because their opinion differs from yours.

[SoFlaJet]

16. assholish

hmmm never heard that word before Marrah. They ALWAYS question our intelligence, to the Clinton people here and the ones running her FAILED campaign they have actually COUNTED on our lack of knowledge. They have been running a presidential bid using 1992 rules where there WAS no such thing as YouTube where people can actually SEE them lying time and time and time again and then see the truth. That Bosnia lie was a whopper and they still haven't dug themselves out of it. That is why you will see thread after thread of the patented Karl Rove tactic of projection-ism, where they blame their opponent of doing exactly what THEY'RE doing-only they think we're idiots and can't figure out their latest TP or tactics to use for the day. We see through them in ten seconds flat-EVERY time. It must really suck-for them.

[Marrah_G]

18. It's my very own word :)

I like it, and it certainly fits the post I used it to describe.

No- It doesn't suck for me. Reading posts like yours just proves my point.

I am a DEM... supporting a DEM.... on a DEM site. You need to realize that people have opinions different from your own and that does not make them the enemy.

[polmaven]

29. Oh, give me a break..

I was actually asked yesterday, by a supporter of Senator Obama, if I know the meaning of the word whore.

I am a 57 year old liberal woman who grew up during the years of the feminist movement. Do I know the MEANING of the word whore?

Don't try to tell me the OP was not demeaning. I am perfectly able to read and understand the English language.

[joefree1]

17. Can you say sanctimonies?

I knew you could.

[anigbrowl]

34. The word you're looking for is 'sanctimonious'.

I can't help feeling this sort of proves the OP's point.

[Onlooker]

21. What an arrogant piece of ignorance

I support Obama, but it's clear you have no idea what Clinton stands for. A victory by her would be a victory for feminism, which is what empowered women in the first place. Feminism is a gender philosophy that laid the groundwork not only for women's rights, but gay and transgendered rights as well. Add to that that Clinton's record, which except for her IWR vote, is just as progressive as Obama's and far more vetted because her records are available (unlike Obama's Illinois records) and she's been around longer. Like Obama, she represents something bigger and, for many people, worth fighting for. Too bad you can't see that.

In addition, she's very much in this race. I don't think she'll win, but if she does very well in the remaining primaries and closes the gap to 30 or 40 pledged delegates, she'll have a good shot at winning the nomination especially if polls and political maps support her contention that she's better poised to beat McCain. The fact that polls show Obama supporters are more likely to vote for her than Clinton supporters voting for him also plays into her favor (as unfair as that is).

As far as her shenanigans go, the Obama campaign has matched them every step of the way. In fact, the main reason I support Obama is that his campaign has been very clever and effective. Framing the election as over, exploiting the race issue, largely overcoming the Rezko issue, dealing with the fact that his Illinois papers don't exist, etc. they've handled brilliantly. The proof: They've fooled you. You don't see what most Americans see: These are two tough campaigns that are battling it out and occasionally hitting below the belt.

[Arkansas Granny]

23. Please, spare me your concern. As a woman of Hillary's age I am not looking

for a parent to reassure me. As far as knowing the issues, I'd be willing to bet that there are just as many Obama supporters that you would consider just as uninformed as you suppose Hillary's supporters to be. And my mental health is perfectly fine, thank you.

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[Marrah_G]

25. It is against the rules to suggest that people are paid opperatives.

[Milo_Bloom]

30. You don't understand the rules, do you?

It is against the rules to suggest that a specific person is a paid opperative... I have made no such accusation.

It is well know that Clinton has "bloggers" on her payroll.

Are some of them posting here? You can make up your own mind about that.

[Marrah_G]

31. I do understand them. Apparently so do the mods.

:hi:

[Milo_Bloom]

42. Apparently not, since nothing said was against the rules.

And I will say again in a second.

Clinton pays bloggers.

Some of those bloggers may be posting on message boards.

So, I do not feel sorry for her supporters because some of them are well paid.

[Beacool]

27. Hey Freud, save the psychoanalysis!!!!

Did it ever occur to you that we support Hillary because we think that she's the best prepared to handle the job and because we think that her policies are better than Obama's?????

To me Obama is all smoke and mirrors, a snake oil salesman. I did my due diligence and there's plenty in his background that I don't like. Suffice it to say that it would be extremely hard to vote for this guy.

As for Hillary, we will support her until the end and then we'll decide how to proceed. I'm sure that some will vote for Obama and others will make other choices.

The arrogance of this post!!! Worry about YOUR mental health!!!!!

:thumbsdown:

[dsc]

28. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

I'll tell you what, let's find a neutral quiz site about issues and each take the quiz. If I outscore you, you give $10 to Hillary, if you outscore me, I give $10 to Obama.

[SaveAmerica]

32. You guys are horrible, every single one of you who questioned my concerns

I didn't say Clinton's supporters are looking for substitute parents, just that we look up to those we are supporting and follow their lead. I had to do this with Edwards. I can't even believe how upset I am at your responses. You have to act like this to someone who really cares about people in her circle of friends and families?

I have forgiven a lot that you guys have posted here (in GD-PissOff), I've attempted to diffuse some of the hatred being slung. It's been like having that job in the parade, the guy who follows the horse with the bag and shovel. This big pile of donkey crap is getting too huge to manage.

[rug]

40. At this point I'm starting to feel pretty repulsed by Obama's supporters.

Poor things actually believe their musings here have a scintilla of impact on the campaign.

:grouphug:

[Forkboy]

43. When the time comes the cool ones will have my sympathy and I'll give them the respect they deserve.

As for the idiots and pretenders, no sympathy ever.