So you are bitter, aging, ...

[elixir]

Here's a little blip on the screen over at DailyKrap hole. Lovely thoughts from a 20 something, "me and no one else" Obama supporter. It's really too bad that folks like this undo the hard work that a candidate puts into Unity and Hope. I place this here because I believe it embodies the thoughts of certain supporters.

I'm hoping this gentleman finds a way to support his candidate in a constructive manner.

Personally, I look forward to a Clinton presidency where universal healthcare will be a reality, our troops will be brought home, the economy will be put back on course, education will be funded and diplomacy...yes, diplomacy...will be our mission statement.


<snip>
So you are bitter, aging, ...

and feel that women have had it rough. Well they have. But I owe you nothing. Talk to your generation. Talk to your husbands. It's not my generation's fault.

But being bitter, aging, and female do not qualifications to be president make, despite what you or Hillary would like to think. Just being oppressed doesn't give you the sympathy ticket to all the riches in the world.

This isn't Hollywood, this is life, where we have killed over a million in Iraq and the economy is going into the tank and Hillary is taking big dollars from big interests that caused it all.

You're gearing up to be oppressed all over again by one of your own. Don't make the mistake of being that naive.
<snip>

[skooooo]

1. ..

:popcorn:

[dkf]

3. .....

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[midnight]

2. Wow!

"So you are bitter, aging, ...

and feel that women have had it rough. Well they have. But I owe you nothing. Talk to your generation. Talk to your husbands. It's not my generation's fault.

But being bitter, aging, and female do not qualifications to be president make, despite what you or Hillary would like to think. Just being oppressed doesn't give you the sympathy ticket to all the riches in the world.

This isn't Hollywood, this is life, where we have killed over a million in Iraq and the economy is going into the tank and Hillary is taking big dollars from big interests that caused it all.

You're gearing up to be oppressed all over again by one of your own. Don't make the mistake of being that naive."


Sound likes this poster has some growing up to do. The world is about looking out for eachother.

[waiting for hope]

17. It's another form of sexism I think -

bitter and aging is a phrase more directed at woman - this country needs some growing up.

[sudopod]

21. Bitter and Aging

lol, sorry, hueg picture of Dick Cheney was hueg.

[roguevalley]

86. everyone gets old. I'm glad I'm doing it now instead of when the

world is more profoundly fucked up from global warming, etc as it will in the future. Oh, and bitter will be optional. I'm too happy with my life to be that. It makes lines too, or so I'm told. :evilgrin:

[Cronopio]

18. "The world is about looking out for eachother."

The world could be about that, but it isn't at the moment.

Enlightened individuals are the only place the idea of "looking out for each other" can be found, not in that collective, heterogeneous abstraction called "the world".

There's a lot of bitterness in that post, but as a 40-something, I can understand where it's coming from. I've been around long enough to see this society work a lot better, so I see possibilities in the current system. I know it could go back to a better way of operating, whether it does or not.

But 20-somethings have only seen a society becoming more opportunistic, cheap, and anarchic. It's not a matter of growing up, it's a matter of what the "grown ups" in your life have shown you about what it is to be "grown up". Overall, and from what I've seen, the standard of "grown-up" over the last twenty, thirty years has been markedly less grown up.

The system we have worked for has sold out the environmental and economic future of our children. What do you expect our children to feel when they realize this? Gratitude?

[Bake]

52. The 20-somethings think they don't owe anybody anything?

How about their PARENTS, who put them through college and are still paying on the tuition loans? Or are still putting a roof over their heads, rent-free? Still keeping the groceries in the pantry? Yeah, let's turn the reins over to THEM.

Jesus H. Keerist, what a self-absorbed asshat.

Bake

[Cronopio]

107. I went to college in the 80s, and I had to pay off all of my tuition loans myself.

Thanks to Reagan-zzzzzap! Back in '82, my situation was rare - nearly everyone had help from their parents - now it's the norm.

Not because the parents don't want to pay for college, but because they can't. Another situation where our system betrays the 20-something generation.

Parents care for their children even in social systems that are breaking down - that doesn't determine how strong a society is in and of itself. (contrary to popular propaganda). But more and more parents are spending their time networking rather than relating to their own children. The parents feel they're forced to for economic and political reasons. Another betrayal.

There are self-absorbed 20-somethings, but no more than the number of self-absorbed baby boomers. Considering how they've seen their social system betray both them and their parents, I won't hold a little self-absorption against them.

[hfojvt]

57. reminds me of when I was a kid

When I was 13 or 14, my preferred company was adults. I loved hanging out with groups of adults and talking, and listening, about politics or about the world in general. Now that I am 46, it's hard to find groups of adults who are not at the junior high level of petty gossip or jealousies about other adults or mean-spirited insults and jokes, and when adults get together they don't talk, they pull out a stupid card game or pictionary or something kid-like and competetive.

[Cronopio]

108. Same here, 100%.

When I was in junior high I used to look forward to being in my '30s and '40s, because I thought that my peers would grow out of all of the petty adolescent shit that I grew out of. Man, did that ever not happen. I watched them build an entire political game out of that petty adolescent shit and make a lot of money off of it.

[endarkenment]

4. And you are posting this here why?

[Auntie Bush]

9. It shows how ridiculous young Obamies talk and think.

[redqueen]

11. So in your mind, all "young Obamies" are the same?

Do you think it would be reasonable for people to think that all Clinton's supporters are bad at logic? Cause that's the logic you're using.

[Auntie Bush]

25. Frankly I haven't noticed any of them being any different.

Have you!?

[redqueen]

26. Um, yes.

Are you lying or are you really that myopic?

[cali]

29. an sloppy generalization

is just a sloppy generalization. Too bad you don't know that.

[elixir]

59. Only the young, narrow minded self absorbed ones, like that Obama supporter. You won't find any tho

[redqueen]

64. You can't speak for her OR ME.

As for me, yes I can... but I didn't make the laughable, idiotic implication that they're all the same, did I?

[graywarrior]

28. Isn't that reverse ageism?

[redqueen]

30. Well that doesn't count, naturally...

it's different. Like the caucus delegates... and the states that don't count...

[graywarrior]

I've noticed, and if anything is getting old, this is.

[40ozDonkey]

43. I like how your answer to this injustice is to mimic it.

Good show.

[GOTV]

54. It shows how ONE poster thinks. Worth dissecting? No. n/t

[nichomachus]

78. And you show

how all Hillarybots talk in broad, sweeping -- and wrong -- generalizations.

Your bitterness is coming through.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

105. It's amusing that you apparently think all young O supporters think in the same way.

You wouldn't be using ageism to combat ageism, would you?

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

109. So respond to a lame, cheap demographic slam with another lame, cheap

demographic slam.

Your outrage is touching.

:eyes:

[Catherina]

15. So you won't see it in context where that reply got recommended

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/2/7/62957/72680/153#c153

And the OP got her ass kicked

...

I'm considering McCain and this once well behaved yellow dog just might be taking a big fat chunk of the electorate with me, one I think ya'll are going to miss down the road, even though we are invisible.

...

You know the trigger point with me and I suspect boatloads of women like me? Experience. As in, we have it, but it's all slashed up and mixed in with having kids and supporting a husband's career and being shoved into crap jobs and discounted for not being real. There's a tremendous number of us who have been passed over for promotions and forced to pass up opportunities because we were women, because we came to the game too late, because we couldn't pick up stakes and follow our star because our kids and parents needed us where we were.

You know the trigger point with me and I suspect boatloads of women like me? Experience. As in, we have it, but it's all slashed up and mixed in with having kids and supporting a husband's career and being shoved into crap jobs and discounted for not being real. There's a tremendous number of us who have been passed over for promotions and forced to pass up opportunities because we were women, because we came to the game too late, because we couldn't pick up stakes and follow our star because our kids and parents needed us where we were.

And if you want to see a middle aged woman jump like a pithed frog, tell her experience, especially a middle aged woman's set of unconventional experiences that she fought like a dog to pull together doesn't count and doesn't matter as much as youth and energy.

And if you want to see a middle aged woman jump like a pithed frog, tell her experience, especially a middle aged woman's set of unconventional experiences that she fought like a dog to pull together doesn't count and doesn't matter as much as youth and energy.
...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/7/62957/72680/846/451737

[Irishonly]

22. I Love The Response

I may be getting older but I define me, not anyone else. I remember the fights and I grew up in the Midwest when it was ok to go to college but when you married you stayed home and let the man take care of you. I fought for rights then. I always get furious when I read the you are old, get out of the way posts and then before I write something I will regret I remember thinking the same way. We thought our parents had bungled everything. I also take time to pat myself on the back that a lot of young women today don't realize how bad it was for women thirty-forty years ago. The young may have more energy but I am proud of my experience.

[elixir]

60. I agree w/ everything the OP has stated. The reply was self absorbed and entitled.

The replier should grow up and work with us instead of "get on the iceberg old lady".

[nichomachus]

82. Any woman who votes for McCain is an idiot

If these aging Hillarybots vote for McCrazy McCain out of spite, they will get everything they deserve -- as their grandkids are shipped out to be blown up in Iraq, as their granddaughters die of botched back-alley abortions, as their Social Security and Medicare benefits disappear, as they're forced to scrap for shit jobs just to keep food on the table, or they line up in free clinics for hours to see a doctor.

I hope all these "former yellow dog" women are just blowing smoke with their threats to vote for a batshit crazy old fascist.

If they aren't, then they are total self-sabotaging assholes.

[eridani]

104. The old fascist is a hell of a lot more bitter than your average put-upon older woman n/t

[readmoreoften]

98. Uh, are you fucking kidding?

As if Obama supporters would not post an overtly racist commentary from a Clinton supporter. Please!

[BigDDem]

5. Lovely

Hope is bustin' out all over

[Auntie Bush]

6. What a grateful SOB!

Typical!

[dchill]

68. Hardly typical...

When one has to go back two months to find ONE reply to a dkos diary, then it can hardly be defined as "typical" - it would be far closer to say "atypical."

[NDambi]

7. Truth is: there are some bitter and aging women out there..I know some personally

[Bake]

53. I don't suppose they have any REASON to be, though.

Just like Rev. Wright's congregation has no REASON to be upset with America. But of course, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Bake

[NDambi]

76. I'm sure some of them have reasons for being bitter prunes...no doubt

[dionysus]

8. actually he nails it with these lines;

"This isn't Hollywood, this is life, where we have killed over a million in Iraq and the economy is going into the tank and Hillary is taking big dollars from big interests that caused it all.

You're gearing up to be oppressed all over again by one of your own. Don't make the mistake of being that naive."

[elixir]

61. And, assuming that some of these points are correct (which they aren't), how does

this entitle the replier to the original message to segregate the OP into a classification and throw them away?

[JTFrog]

10. Yet HRC supporters fawn over crap like this posted at Taylor Marsh's site:

"If any of the DNC poobahs or super delegates happen to read this blog, PAY ATTENTION:

You have crossed the female meridian. You will not take us for granted any longer, pro-choice SCOTUS notwithstanding. If you lose even 10% of the Democratic female vote in November, you are well and fully FUCKED. It will be higher than that if you persist in this folly, trust me on this. I am hearing it from women with PhD's, I am hearing it from grocery store checkout clerks.

The b*****s are locked and loaded, and will be aiming true from under the bus. Ignore us at your peril.

You have crossed the female meridian.

Spare us your Shame on You lecture on diplomacy.

[elixir]

63. BTW, BS does your sig mean Obama is a republican?

[JTFrog]

74. Yeah, he's the one that was head of the Young Republican's Club.

Another opposite day in HillaryWorld. :eyes:

[redqueen]

12. Lovely!

I will find a nastily-worded post from a Clinton supporter, and start a thread with it here, to "make my point" about... uh... something!

:crazy:

[Orsino]

13. You are dodging the issue.

We should not rest until Obama is prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned for what one of his supporters said about one of Clinton's.

[redqueen]

14. .

:rofl:

Don't you make me vote for McCain! Series! I so will!

[dchill]

73. Right! Hell, it's been 2 months already!

:hi:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

16. I get tired of asking this question over and over again.

Who cares what some anonymous retard says on the internet? Why should I, or anyone else, care? I mean, I occasionally wander into Freeperville for entertainment value, but nothing I actually read over there gets me up in arms. Because those people are morons. Much like the poster you cite, and many, many, many other people. What is the point in trying to generate outrage over this dumbassery?

[sudopod]

23. Someone said something dumb on the internet?

Let us tear our clothes in grief. Woe woe woe!

[americanstranger]

24. I think grantcart nailed it last night.

There are people on this board that will find any snippet of anti-Hillary sentiment on the net, and post it here in order to keep the hostility going.

It's true. They post the worst stuff they can find and get all huffy about it, and all the other Clinton supporters fall in line and keep the 'poutrage' (forgot who coined that, but it's perfect) at as high a level as they can sustain.

Why, I can't tell you. Maybe it makes them feel like they still have a chance, that if they piss people off enough, voters will gravitate back to their candidate. That the concept makes no sense at all is not a factor to them. It's all about the poutrage.

- as

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. There is enough stupidity on both sides to go around.

If it seems like the Hillary supporters are much worse, I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that there are far fewer of them than Obama supporters on here, thus they might feel the need to scream louder in order to be heard. I'm sure it would be exactly the same way if the tables were turned.

[elixir]

65. And GrantCart is the most civilized, open minded gentleperson on this board

:puke:

[americanstranger]

72. AND he was right!

I notice you preferred to attack a DUer rather than argue his point. Says a lot.

- as

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. Please refrain from using that perjorative.

To those with developmental disabilities, the term you used is extremely hurtful.

But to your point, it's because the poster was describing her fellow democrats. The point is winning elections, save it for the bad guys.

[elixir]

66. I see your point and agree. I find the "us v them" mentality a little disconcerting.

[Umbram]

19. Meanwhile at DU, HRC supporters are talking about the "black agenda" and

the "affirmative action candidate."

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. I searched DU

I found many, many hits on "affirmative action candidate"

All but one were like yours; from outraged Obama supporters. The last was the title of an editorial reposted from elsewhere.

There was one deleted post in a locked thread started by an annoyed Obama supporter that, based on the context of the seven replies could have been inferred to have said that.

Your outrage appears to be based on one, now deleted, post.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. Did you miss this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345625#345629

[lumberjack_jeff]

51. Yes, I did. Thank you. n/t

[Forkboy]

81. Now Obama is "Bomba" as well.

[JohnnyLib2]

20. Sigh. In real life-Kentucky, I've heard this, and racism, and

the stupid Muslim stuff, and the stupid Clintons murder people thing, and
variations on all of them. What I don't hear, so far, is any fervent support for McCain. It's an ugly, confusing period. More and more,
I'm concerned about this GE producing a weak president, whoever takes it.

Sigh again. :cry:

[DarienComp]

27. I'd like to point out that the comment in question is from nearly two months ago.

Did the OP scour Daily Kos to find the worst thing she could? How long did it take?

[redqueen]

31. Oh you have GOT to be kidding.

Shameless... utterly shameless.

[DarienComp]

34. Thu Feb 07, 2008

www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/2/7/62957/72680/153#c153

[redqueen]

35. That's not just scraping the barrel... .

that's scraping little bits of barrel off the inside of the container and using that, too.

*sigh*

[elixir]

69. Yup, and that makes the comment irrelevant how? What's the expiration date on quotes here on DU?

Yesterday, the day before? It's still a valid discussion. Save your indignation.

[redqueen]

71. .

:rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

89. Pleeze. You posted this little snippet full-well knowing two things:

1. People were going to read it with the notion that you'd just browsed over there today and ran across this commentary, the notion being that "wow, just took one look over there and look what I found!" The intent being to make it appear as if that kind of commentary were common on that site.

2. And further that, assuming that implication was an honest one (which it wasn't), it would diminish their overall opinion of said site and its participants.

It really is a form of smarmy dishonesty that HRC boosters have honed to perfection. Your candidate would be proud.

[readmoreoften]

99. Disgusting apologetics. It doesn't matter if this post is 6 months old.

What's shameful is that you have nothing to say condemning this kind of crap from your camp. You compound it by not taking responsibility.

[apocalypsehow]

103. Yada - yada - yad -*burp* - yak - yak - yakety - fuckin' -yak.

You don't read English very well, do you?

:eyes:


(Or is it a comprehension problem? One wonders....)

[elixir]

67. What? Is it shameless that DarienComp highlighted the shelf life of the post cited or that I used it

? RedQueen, relax, save your shame.

[redqueen]

75. It's shameless that you are so pathetlically desperate.

But don't mind me... it's entertaining at least.

[DarienComp]

80. Look, all I did was note that the quote is two months old

which means that you had to go digging around for it. I think it's pretty fair to point that out.

[Greyskye]

33. This is from 2 months ago?

Now that is pathetic.

[Texas Hill Country]

32. stupidity goes rampant... but it happens on both sides to be fair.

[UALRBSofL]

36. OP this is sad this person would post such a thing

The way I interpret it and what it reflects is this person has no respect for older, baby boomer people. Just her statements alone are brought about out of emotions and not out of critical thinking. Obama brings his base and the fringe about through being an inspirational speaker. Many people get drawn into a person that has the gift of speech.

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. We needn't look to any other sites for comments which suggest a big problem.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS221US221&q=%22lying+bitch%22+hillary+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com&btnG=Search

The above is a search on this site.

Something I find intriguing is that many of the same posters who argue that it is unreasonable to react negatively to comments by some Obama supporters sing quite a different tune about the culpability of men (in general) to stop sexism among other men. Or whites (in general) to stop racism among other whites.

We do have some responsibility to police our own, and because of the disproportionate Obama support here, the burden falls more heavily on the Obama supporters.

That said, I have seen a great many Obama supporters doing exactly that of late, and their efforts do not go unnoticed or unappreciated.

We have two good candidates, and their supporters are our fellow democrats.

[JohnnyLib2]

40. Well said. And your search results are disturbing at best.

:kick:

[Lucky 13]

39. Are you bitter and aging?

Just asking.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Do you have something against older women? Like when they don't let you borrow the car?

Just asking.

[Lucky 13]

49. Nope I got nothing against older women.

I got nothing against older women. I will be one one day, so that woulnd't make much sense would it? But I hope, as I age, I will manage to avoid the bitterness and hatefulness.

And I got my own car, and my own job, my own money and my own opinion. (SEXIST!!!)

Now go back to your mom's basement.

[Doctor_J]

41. The "bitter and aging" crowd are all voting for McCain

[amandabeech]

50. Do you want us to vote for McCain?

I guess you aren't too interested in encouraging we "bitter and aging" folks to vote for your guy in the GE.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. Do you want to be bitter and aging?

And shallow and stupid?

[Forkboy]

83. What does it say about you if someone makes you vote for McCain?

Get a clue, for your sake, and the world's.

[amandabeech]

92. What an encouraging reply!

Bye-bye

[Forkboy]

95. No, a deserved one.

And we'll all be kissing our asses buh bye if you vote for McCain. :eyes:

[pecwae]

77. Oh, bullshit.

[whatchamacallit]

44. Aside from the "bitter, aging, female" poke in the eye, I kind of agree with that post

:shrug:

[readmoreoften]

101. So what exactly exists in that post except 'bitter, aging, female'?

AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AGING?

[Cali_Democrat]

45. Hillary is aging

Hell, I'm aging. Aren't we all aging when we're born?

:shrug:

[kwenu]

55. I have no idea what the context was but it doesn't sound like his post referred to the primary...

but rather an exchange with someone else on that forum. Who knows what the other party said that prompted that response.

I have to admit that there is some feeling among us 30 and 40 something Gen Xers that there are some interesting parallels and similarities between the worldview of Babyboomers and their Millenial children.

[quakerboy]

58. Wow

Ugly. Surfermaw must have children.

[Symarip]

62. I really don't feel like arguing over the content of this post

What I don't understand is why would you bring that over here? I don't think it proves anything and certainly does nothing for either candidate, nor does it speak to the issues. Furthermore, it's not like anyone here actually wrote that nonsense. It's from another website. In fact, it's from an opinion driven website. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that bothersome.

[depakid]

70. No surprise. How has American society treated these kids over the past 25 years?

Zero tolerance. Draconian criminal laws. Slashing school funding and programs. Massive higher education debt. A plethora of hate radio and crass advertisments. Unaffordable health care. Environmental degradation. Unaccountable corruption. Falling wages. To name just a few.

How do you expect that many- maybe most will feel.

Charitable?

Tell you what, I wouldn't want to be getting into my 70's on up in the US in the next decade or two, as America's unsustainable "way of life" meets the economic realities of resource depletion.

[readmoreoften]

102. Draconian laws and self-esteem seminars that make this generation the most

emotionally pampered in history. It's a horrible combination. You have grade inflation, social promotion, MY CHILD HAS GOOD PENMANSHIP bumper stickers. We have a child fetish that, of course, also despises and distrusts children, that's where the draconian laws come in. Gotta kill 'em to save 'em.

[femrap]

79. I hate those little snots....

so glad they will face a dying planet and a scarcity of food! What a willful ignorant turd.

And Kos can lick my clit while we're at it.

As you can see I am way beyond bitter and ageing....:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :argh: :argh: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke:

[Forkboy]

84. "so glad they will face a dying planet and a scarcity of food! "

[femrap]

88. and your point is.....?

I'm just stating what the future will hold...I guess I shouldn't be happy about it, but I've told people for years to stop reproducing....the little ones will just be pissed off and helpless.

[Forkboy]

90. My point is...

That's it's hard to take you seriously if you care about the ageist Obama fans when you're capable of feeling the way you do about them in return.

[femrap]

93. So I guess that makes us even....right?

I don't really want them to starve...but given the state of the world, they may never make it to a elderly state like us boomers. Isn't there some German term...Schendinekdkdkdk???? Whatever.

Taking me seriously? Stick a fork in your boy. Buh bye now.

[Forkboy]

94. Sanity...give it a try.

:eyes:

[jgraz]

85. Wait -- someone said something DUMB on the INTERNET????

Holy shit!!! That almost NEVER happens!!!!!!!!


:eyes:

[totodeinhere]

87. I am bitter and young. What does that make me?

[Jed Dilligan]

91. Minus the personal attacks, he makes a couple of valid points.

The solidarity that ordinary women feel with the uber-rich and corporate Clinton is bound to prove false in the end. She'll fight for her own--but that isn't you, unless you are in the top tier of professional success and your only concern in life is breaking the glass ceiling.

[Horse with no Name]

96. Typical obama supporter. n/t

[jillan]

97. I laugh at people like that. People that are so naive to think they won't be old one day.

[anonymous171]

100. I bet I could pick up something 10x worse off of MyDD.

But I, unlike you, am not an ass.

[JoFerret]

106. I hate the ragging on McCain

...based on age alone.

If we want to have debate about mental competence and chronological age it is one thing but the simplistic age jokes are uncalled for imo. (Jon Stwewart was on a roll the other night.)

(And no need for twisted knickers - I am NO supporter of JM nor of any other GOP candidate.)

[ShortnFiery]

110. Let's hear it for manufactured outrage?

:eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

111. While the cheap shots are not productive, the truth is that Team Hillary, running out of arguments

to support their candidate, (having burned, for instance, through "inevitability", which was pretty much all the early campaign was based on) increasingly in recent weeks have turned to fear mongering as well as this sort of pissed-off "it's our turn" mentality, with the expectation that liberal boomer women would ignore, for instance, Hillary's IWR vote and focus instead on her age and double X Chromosomes.

I've seen thread and post and thread and post here from boomers just viciously belittling younger voters, as well as saying deeply relevant things like "your generation controls fashion and music, can't you leave us politics?" :eyes:

I do believe that some peoples' visceral dislike of Obama is simply that, by contrast, he makes them feel OLD.