I just can't believe Bill Clinton would lie about something as petty as the Richardson thing...

[sfam]

Welcome to the 90s...

Yes, Hillary's campaign is well on its way to bringing back that wonderful decade. Lets all go listen to some grunge music, ey?

[DevonRex]

1. Hey, I like grunge music....

But then I also like getting rick rolled.

[meow mix]

2. Seems that the Clinton friendship with Richardson hinged upon thier ability to use him

as always is the case with them.

how many hundreds of these incidence are needed to convince people?

[Life Long Dem]

5. Yeah, the football game was simply a photo op.

[Estel]

25. Exactly how did the Clintons use Richardson?

I think it was the other way around.

[Debi]

28. Super Bowl photo op

sure he didn't 'officially' endorse but the Clinton campaign did all they could to show the endorsement was right around the corner. After New Mexico held it's contest they no longer needed him. The implied endorsement was sufficient....right up until he endorsed Obama.

[tyne]

3. They are

sending out a crystal clear message. As usual, it'll backfire.

[ampad]

4. Hey

I still listen to Pearl Jam. :headbang:

[DevonRex]

7. Me too and...

Nirvana.

[sfam]

10. Its all about Alice in Chains people...those other bands are just witnesses...

Yeah Here Come The Rooster,
You Know He Ain't Gonna Die, baby!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

15. I still say STP was better when they were on the H.

[sfam]

16. LIke Edwards, STP had their moment, but Common! Alice in Chains was the shit!!!!

Definitely my fav grunge band by a mile. I still listen to them regularly.

[bunnies]

17. AIC. STILL one of my favorite bands!!!!

Man.. I miss them. That new guy is ok.. but he's no Layne. :cry:

[sfam]

19. Staley lived the Highlander line: "It's better to burn out than to fade away!"

Sucks really. I haven't heard the new guy. Not sure I want to.

[bunnies]

27. Yep. So sad.

I got dragged to a show last summer by some friends. But one of those who doesnt even think they should have reunited. I mean come on. That'd be like having Nirvana without Kurt. It pissed me off. It STILL pisses me off. :mad:

If you get a chance, maybe go for free like I did. But I would pay to see them. Im too bitter.

[DevonRex]

24. Loved AIC...

STP was good at first, not so much later. Loved Blind Melon. Pity about the lead singer.

[VolcanoJen]

32. Alice in Chains - best grunge band of that era!!!!

Oft-imitated, never duplicated!

LOVE THEM TO THIS DAY!
RIP, Layne Staley. :-(

[DrFunkenstein]

39. Ah, They Had One Good Song...Kurt Was The Only Real Thing of The Decade

Probably the only real thing since, too. Unfortunately. Which is not to say there haven't been (and now are) lots of great bands. But always with a little cutsiness or posturing.

[sfam]

41. Only one? Which one are you referring to?

Get Born Again?
We Die Young?
Man in the Box?
Would?
Rooser?
Dirt?
Stay Away?
Down in a hole?
Grind?

Or another one perhaps?

[ampad]

35. I cannot argue with you there (nt)

[tularetom]

6. I think we're all learning a lot about bill clinton

and none of it is very favorable. I can't believe all the energy I wasted defending this piece a shit to my family and friends during the 90's.

[Neshanic]

8. The fact that he is so vocal about it is very telling, and not good for Richardson's interpretation

[Bensthename]

14. Clinton may be right, if so he is not helping his or his wife's cause with his tactics.

[sfam]

20. Sort of like, "I did not have sex with that woman.."? As I recall, he was rather vocal there too...

The phrase, "You reap what you sow" comes to mind here...

[endarkenment]

9. nirvana is still great to listen to

[sfam]

11. Nirvana is Hillary music. Obama likes Alice in Chains, baby!!!! nt

[DevonRex]

29. Hey now...

Hillary'd probably hate Nirvana. Gee... I do NOT want to think of HER when I'm playing Nirvana. Dammit. Now I'm gonna have to do something like play Obama speeches while listening to Nirvana just to get that image out of my head.

Well, come to think of it, that'd be a pleasant experience. :)

[dave29]

12. It's not like Bill ever lies.

nothing comes to mind

[BlueIdaho]

13. Poor guy...

looks less presidential every day.

[MadBadger]

18. If this went to court, and it was Richardson's Credibility vs. Clinton's...Richardson would win.

[Texas Hill Country]

21. i dont think he is lying actually.

[sfam]

31. I'm standing by the line, "You reap what you sow"...

Whether Bill Clinton is lying or telling the truth, we could never tell by his demeanor. He was quite forceful in his denunciation of Miss Lewinski, but in retrospect, was a lying sack of shit. I don't think Richardson has had a moment like this, or anything close. So in terms of credibility, I'm going with past experience.

[algol]

22. I agree with others that this seems like a new side of President Clinton

that I don't remember sensing during his presidency.

He had a few moments that pained me -- Sista Soulja, his assertion that freedom of religion shouldn't mean from religion, and of course his intern problem. But none of these incidents jarred me quite like he has done this campaign. I'm not sure whether its because I have another horse and am hypersensitive to criticism of him, or whether Bill's charm and eloquence softened any thorny issues when presented in a form other than a short soundbite.

I am saddened by what I see as Bill and Hillary doing much to tarnish their own names in a quest which seems increasingly fruitless.

[MadBadger]

26. You're shocked he'd Lie?

[algol]

33. Certainly not shocked

But he's fallen off of the pedestal I had him on.

[sfam]

37. Bill Clinton has a lot of good traits, but telling the truth isn't one of them...

Never has been, really. Even most democrats owned up to that well before the Monica thing. But at this point, I find it REALLY hard to believe that even Clinton supporters would blindly take his word over Richardson's. A misunderstanding? Sure, I can see them believing that, but to think Richardson is lying and Bill is not??? I just don't see how someone arrives at that conclusion based on listening to Bill's denunciations.

[Debi]

23. They have to discount his endorsement and make Obama appear unelectable

They've now said Richardson not only lied, but made it clear he knows Obama can't get elected :crazy:

[SeaLyons]

30. No...

I don't think Bill is lying.

[sfam]

34. And what evidence could you possibly have for this? His integrity???

Seriously, how would we know? He lies quite forcefully. He does the eye thing quite congruently. Why would you suspect that he's telling the truth and Richardson is lying. Isn't it more likely that Richardson let him believe what he wanted to believe but did not ever state forcefully, "I will not support Barack because he is unelectable."

Again, what in Richardson's background tells you he is less trustworthy than Bill Clinton?

[Bake]

36. I don't think he's lying either.

Richardson really struck a nerve with the Big Dog. I just don't think that's made up out of whole cloth. Further, I think Richardson is a big-time wannabe who made a judgment as to which way the wind was blowing and wanted to hop on the train to further his own career.

All the "Bill is a pathological liar" shit ... the man is a former POTUS, the only Democrat twice elected to the White House in decades, and people here line up to shit on him. Wait until they find out they've been bamboozled by Obama. I smell disappointment ...

Bake

[sfam]

38. Bill, the former POTUS, was impeached for lying...how can you say...

that his word has any credibility when his livelihood is affected? Yes, the republicans engaged in an insane witchhunt that should have never taken place, but still - the man has lied MANY times about many things in the past. To ignore this and simply to buy their story about Richardson, a man who DOES NOT have a history of lying is fairly shocking.

Yes, it struck a nerve with Bill, but this in no way means he's not lying. It just means that the endorsement hurt them.

[Bake]

40. To quote the great political observer Chris Rock,

"He lied about a BLOW JOB so his wife wouldn't find out about it! Do we REALLY NEED the Supreme Court for THAT one?????"

He should never have been impeached for that. He should never have been asked that question in the first place. But you're doing a nice job repeating the Puke talking points. Glad you got the fax.

Bake

[sfam]

42. Try rereading my post. I never said he should have been impeached for that...

His integrity was already in question long before the Monica thing - in fact it was in question prior to him getting elected. But please, throw up the "your a puke talking point" defense thing if it helps you sleep better, but this in no way justifies impuning Richardson's integrity when there has been no history that supports this.

Again, if we're talking about the campaign that thrives on spouting "experience" at all times, why is it wrong to look at their past experience with lying here? Are you honesty implying that Bill's word is more believable than Richardson's? Again, what exactly other than your own campaign biases justifies this?

[Bake]

44. I've been a supporter of Bill Clinton since his first campaign.

And I still think he was a damn fine President. Do I think he was perfect? No. Do I wish he'd had the sense to keep it in his pants? Of course. Do I think he's a pathological liar? Not just no, but HELL NO.

As for Richardson, he's been a minor player on the national stage. Does he stand to benefit from his association with Obama? Of course he does. Does that give him an incentive to (a) backstab the Clintons, and (b) be less than forthright about it? Hell yes.

Bake

[SeaLyons]

43. Oh yea, disappointment is in the air...

that's for sure.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Either Clinton's lying, or Richardson is.

Do you really think Bill Clinton is more credible than Richardson?