Do Hillary Supporters Like ANY Democrats who support Obama?

[NeedleCast]

I'm starting to wonder...

[Texas Hill Country]

1. there are lots that I like, but doesnt change the fact that i am disappointed.

[NeedleCast]

4. Why?

Richardson and Carter both went under the bus this week, joining the Kennedy's and many other prominent democrats who have backed Obama. Why does it disappoint you that they're voicing their choice for President?

[Ravy]

6. Ask the Obama supporters who booed Shiela Jackson Lee...

..and those DUers who applauded that action and warned her to come around or face election defeat herself.

I think most of the Clinton supporter's comments that I have seen (I am trying to remain neutral) have to do with Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson voting against the will of their constituencies while the Obama camp is promoting that superdelegates should vote with the will of their constituencies. They are viewed more as hypocrites than hated over the issue.

[SoFlaJet]

8. gimme a break will ya?

the Hillbots here hate EVERY single dem that doesn't support her majesty-including artists and members of the media

[Ravy]

10. I have a lot of them on Ignore from the days when Edwards was in the race,

so I maybe don't see a lot of that.

I just know that the race is too polarized.

[Marrah_G]

12. Wrong- just plain wrong.

You cannot make a sweeping statement like that about Hillary supporters.

[SoFlaJet]

15. yea I can

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5358928&mesg_id=5358928

[Arkansas Granny]

27. I saw that thread yesterday and decided not to bite. When I see a thread

starting with "Clinton supporters" and I know the OP to be an Obama supporter, I usually pass it by. They mostly wind up as flame fests.

[Marrah_G]

29. No you really can't.

The statement you made does not pertain to myself or to many other Hillary supporters. You are seeing only what you want to see.

Threads like the one you liked are posted to stir up things. I passed it by because I knew it was just an invitation for a fight.

I have in the past stood up for those politicians when they were being torn apart here on DU.

There are very few Democrats I feel strongly against.

[Lucky 13]

11. They were her OWN CONSTITUENTS, the people she is accountable to.

Constituents have every right to voice displeasure at the choices of the representatives elected to represent them. Period.

Would I have behaved the same way? No. I probably would have written a letter or something. But booing, I believe, is still protected as "free speech" under the constitution. And dissent is patriotic. Don't forget that.

[Ravy]

16. Cool you heels.

Everyone has a right to their opinion. The OP was talking about hating simply because someone disagreed with your choice for president, and I provided an example. Sure they had the right. Everyone has that right.

I just gave an example of Obama supporters doing it, too.

[Lucky 13]

18. Booing does not equal hating or slander.

As a Washington Redskins fan, I can tell you I find myself booing them fairly regularly. I want them to know I expect them to do better, dammit!

Doesn't mean I hate them. Doesn't mean they aren't my favorite team. Doesn't mean I ain't rooting for them. And it doesn't mean I talk shit about the poor character of the players or the traitorous nature of the coaches. That's the difference.

[Ravy]

24. I think we see a lot of what we want to see. Me included. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

66. LOL OK

So Sheila Jackson-Lee is expected to accept and absorb freaking booing like it a football game.

I will have to make a note of that.

[NeedleCast]

14. Not sure if I agree re: hypocracy vs hate

Don't have to look very hard to see Richards, Carter and Kennedy all being call pretty vile things.

I do agree that some Obama supporters have been overly critical of some Democrats who have endorsed Hillary but the Hillary supporters on DU have (in many cases vicously) attacked prominent, long-standing Democrats who have endorsed Obama. What is it about supporting Obama that makes Jimmy Carter or Bill Richardson "dead to them?"

[Ravy]

22. If someone called Carter anything bad, I must have them on Ignore.

At least, if it was a topic. I don't read a lot of those types of threads though.

[NeedleCast]

31. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5365031

Carter hinted that he will vote for Obama and the subsequent camp Hillary pile-on.

[Texas Hill Country]

23. extamundo

[Lucky 13]

7. Disappointment is fine, but not how Hillary supporters have treated them.

The Hillary supporters have raked them over the coals and I've felt it has bordered on slander. And they have the gall to claim anyone else is a traitor?

I was on the fence about Hillary when John Edwards dropped out, but this is one of the things that got me really upset...

How do you expect people to take it when Democrats after Democrat that people have voted for, donated to, volunteered for, and deeply respect are attacked by one politician's campaign?

When her supporters made it a matter of Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Richarson, Leahy (MY SENATOR), Carter, Lewis, Dodd (and the list goes on) vs. Hillary? Sorry, I gotta go with all those other folks I respect vs. one seemingly bitter and every increasingly desperate politician. Just on principal, that's a candidate and campaign I can't in good conscience be associated with.

On the flip side, there are plenty of endorsers of Clinton that, while I disagree with their decision to support her (and I think some of them are regretting that decision as well now) I still DEEPLY respect them and would be furious to hear them slandered by Obama's people. Mikulski? Boxer? O'Malley? Waters? All great people I would vote for in a second and you won't hear me bash them for having an opinion different than mine. Sadly Clinton supporters seem to be of a different ilk.

[jconner27]

34. You Obama followers are so full of shit

Lucky I never seen a group of people who spew that much bullshit in one breath and act innocent at the same time, I don't care who endorses who because it's their given right to do so but to act like it's only the Clinton supporters that belittles or make fun of those who jump aboard team Obama is a joke. I guess you forgot those posts that went after Murtha when he endorsed Hillary or how about those post where Obama supporters say they lost respect for Edwards at the height of the rumor of him endorsing Hillary? This why I hate Obama supporters with a intense passion since they can't come up with a logical reason why I should support Obama they have to resort to Bush follower tactic and make shit up or project what they do unto others.

[hfojvt]

39. show me the threads

I cannot remember a Murtha bashing thread, but I can remember several Kerry, Kennedy, and Richardson bashing ones. Yes, there have probably been several Edwards threads, and I am sure I participated in that, or would if he actually endorsed. There have been some Krugman bashing threads too. Many feel he is just plain wrong to claim that Hillary is more progressive than Obama.

[Lucky 13]

40. WARNING: Rant in progress...

And you Hillary follower are so full of VENOM, it's now seeped into your bloodstream and you are slowly being eaten up from the inside out - soul first.

The moral of the story is this:

Hillary and her minions cannot slander countless good lifelong democrats whom their constituents love and respect and not expect to alienate the very voters they are trying to win over.

Hillary and her people blew this election with the ugly, divisive, bitter, entitled, ego-maniacal, hatefulness that oozes so naturally from their pores. YOU CHOKED. You had it in the bag, but you tripped you up just long enough for the underdog, the youngster, the nice guy, the NEXT generation of our party, to come along and yank the rug right out from underneath you. And now there is nothing left but for you to claim your figurehead position of "party elder" and slink into the background.

And what REALLY makes you angry? Not just that someone had the AUDACITY to challenge what was "rightfully hers"... but that your own sense of entitlement prevented you from ever seeing it coming. Iowa must have really stung.

Need a logical reason to support Obama? How bout he's run an efficient, financially balanced, grassroots campaign that has inspired millions to reclaim the political process? Your candidate has run a strategically deficient, top-down campaign based on a strategy from the 90s, completely lacking in any sensibility of new media or the internet, is TENS OF MILLIONS in the hole, has left small businesses in a lurch by not paying their bills, is alienating more people than she is winning over, and has been caught in an embarrasing lie that contrasts sniperfire against poetry from an 8 year old little girl.

She's not fit to run a campaign. How can she be fit to run the country?
Not paying her employees insurance premiums after writing in a mandate in her own health care policy? HYPOCRISY.
And if she's willing to tell blatant lies just to pad her own resume what DON'T you'd think she'd lie about in the White House to cover her own ass?

I keep seeing posts encouraging Obama people to try to reach out to Hillary people. But when you reach out, you get your arm bit off. You guys want to vote for grandpa or take your dolly and stay home on election day? Fine. Continue to be irrelevant. You've done everything in your power to self-destruct up to this point, I don't see how anyone will convince you to stop now.

:rant:

[jconner27]

54. Save the rant

Oh man where to start on this one...

Alright before I start I like to respond to one Obama supporter who claimed there was no one attacking Rep. Jack Murtha, you're semi true there was no thread that attack Murtha but in the thread that mention that John Murtha endorsed Hillary Clinton there were posters that attack him so there you have it. Now to you Lucky venom let me tell you something months before the civil war that was started by Obama supporters I didn't have a negative thing to say about Obama or his supporters, when you guys started throwing the shit balls and making proclamations of if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination Obama supporters were likely going to stay home.

Lucky I see you done what I wrote in my early post Obama supporters like to throw shit and act like they're innocent thanks for proving me right about that I appreciate it. So let me get this right Obama is better because he's attracting more money(some of it's corporate money) and he's using the Internet? No contest, game over man. I thought message was supposed to be the key why Obama is better then Clinton but you explain it money and computers. But let's talk about the campaign style it seems Obama has copied the Bush playbook when it comes to campaigning because he's very good of taking the high road while his flunkies do the heavy lifting behind the scenes example South Carolina. Where his supporters twisted Bill Clinton's comments to make them sound racist when they knew what he meant but Obama allow his flunkies to push that story.

These new voters you claim he's attracting must they mostly reside in heavy Republican states? Because the map I seen these new Obama "voters" happen to be in states that won't matter to Obama in the fall. But since you like to mention the difference between here's my three cents and a bottle cap.

1. Obama has done things while he was in the senate: voted along with everyone else or he didn't vote on issues therefore you don't know where he stands on the issue.

2. Obama has run a Bush style of campaign.. Allowing his flunkies to spew slime while he acts like he's above the nasty politics. Your guy Obama purposes neither courage or integrity.


Now I know you're lying you see post of Obama followers reaching out to Clinton supporters. Where are these post? Dimension X.

[SoFlaJet]

2. ahem...

compare these two threads from yesterday NC...they are VERY telling

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5358928&mesg_id=5358928

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5358753&mesg_id=5358753

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. You know what's telling...

Compare the Hillary Clinton forum w/ the Barack Obama forum down in the dungeon.

[40ozDonkey]

53. Agreed. It speaks volumes. n/t

[Shakespeare]

5. Wow. Very telling.

And very sad.

[Forkboy]

44. Those threads were VERY revealing.

[Marrah_G]

9. Absolutely! Pretty sure I like 99.9 % of them.

Including my own Senators.

Kerry and Kennedy both support Obama. I am fine with that.

Everyone has a right to their opinions.

[polmaven]

30. And I will probably

work on Governor Patrick's re-election campaign in 2010 as well.

[Marrah_G]

32. He has to show me a little more before I work on his campaign in 2010.

Frankly I bought into the hype when I knew damn well I should have kept my feet on the ground. Mass legislature makes it very hard to follow through on all the promises. He needs to find a way to get the Legislature to work with him or else all the pretty words in the world don't mean anything.

As long as he continues to make stupid moves, like going to NY to push his book deal during the vote on the one big topic he has been working on, then he is priming us for another puke Governor.

I like him alot, but he has made some serious mistakes.

My kids can't eat pretty words. Inspirational speeches do not shelter them. Slogans will not get them to college.

I want to see more from him and I hope to see it soon.

This factored alot into how I view Obama.

[polmaven]

42. Well, sure, you're right

but it depends a lot on who his opponent(s) are. I wasn't impressed with most of the (D) field in 2006, and I sure as HELL don't want yet another (R).

The problem is the damned legislature that is still following in Finneran's mold...and he is just barely a Democrat...actually he is, to me, almost the Leiberman role model.

[PBS Poll-435]

69. Well....

You better have those transcripts of Obama's speeches ready! Or Da Axe is not going to be pleased.

[BigDDem]

13. I like lots of them

but I think Richardson is a liar.

[SoFlaJet]

17. you watched the Super Bowl

with Bill and Bill? So how do you KNOW or are you just talking out your ass again?

[BigDDem]

48. No, I watched it with friends, but...

I did catch Bill R playing for the Kansas City A's after he got
drafted.

Oh wait, that was ANOTHER one of his lies.
Carry on!

:rofl:

[dsc]

19. My view on endorsements

I don't really value them except to the extent that they help campaigns. To that extent I wish Hillary had gotten them all but they change nothing about either my opinion of the endorser nor the endorsee. I have only criticized endorsers under three circumstances. One was when the endorser was being hypocritical. Bradley, who ran a sleezy campaign against Gore lecturing anyone about sleezy campaigns is close to vomit inducing. And yes I will criticise it. Two was when people here were being hypocritical. In a thread touting Edward Kennedy's endorsement one poster brought up Lewinski as their chief reason for not voting for Hillary. In a thread about Kennedy, sorry, but give me a break. Third, when the endorser handles it dishonestly. Richardson is an example of that. Had he merely endorsed Obama, I wouldn't care. But to lie to Clinton's face and personalize the endorsement as he did (before Carville's idiotic comments) was just poor form.

Other than those, I liked Kennedy, Leahy, Casey (who wouldn't be a Senator at all if many people here had their way), Kerry, and a ton of others before they endorsed Obama and like them now. But I don't like Clinton any less because they endorsed Obama.

[kwenu]

20. No. They think that you're either with Hillary or against Hillary. I'm not with Hillary.

[Marrah_G]

25. Really... you think you can speak for all of us?

[kwenu]

47. So you disagree? Are you acknowledging that Bill Richardson is a man of conscience not a traitor?

Let us hear from you if you dare.

[HooptieWagon]

21. Hillary doesn't want our votes to count...

if they were for an Obama pledged delegate. She wants the SDs to overturn Obama's pledged delate majority. Hillary hates democray, if it won't result in her coronation.

[Marrah_G]

26. Oh please...............

:eyes:

[Arkansas Granny]

28. I have no problem with any Democrat supporting the candidate of their choice.

After all, that's what I'm doing. I may disagree with another person's reasoning, but they have every right to make up their own mind.

[FlaGranny]

38. What are YOU doing here Granny?

You're making sense. :-)

[Dinger]

33. I Like Ted Kennedy

I read a book of his to my classroom. My class sent him letters, and we sent the book, and he mailed it back, autographed! It was about his dog, Splash. I do have proof of this.

[Forkboy]

45. Teddy is one of the best.

Not perfect, by any stretch, but he's one of the only Dems who doesn't flee from the word 'liberal'.

[BlooInBloo]

35. Of course not. Clinton people only like those who matter (i.e. support Clinton).

[depakid]

36. The epidemic of irony impairment continues....

or would that be projection?

[Buzz Clik]

37. I can safely say that ALL DU Hillary supporters adore me.

I feel the love 24/7.

[polmaven]

43. It's just really too bad that

we have only 24 hours in each day to send the love! :loveya:

[Buzz Clik]

49. On the bright side, there's a lot of me to love.

[polmaven]

55. Badum-bump!

:rofl:

[DemGa]

41. No.

[Forkboy]

46. Stay classy!

[anamandujano]

50. Matt Damon, but for all the wrong reasons.

:shrug:

[WinkyDink]

51. Please. The question can be asked for Obama supporters (e.g., Wes Clark; Joe Wilson).

[William769]

52. Well I never did like rats.

So I guess the answer is no. :shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

56. They don't seem to - many of them literally teem with hatred, bile, & dishonesty.

The description of but one small incident will suffice:

One of the more well-known HRC boosters here posted a blatant lie about me in one of her posts. I posted irrefutable proof that her claim was untrue, five different times. She ignored this, and continued to blithely post the same falsehood. I put her on *ignore*.

Now, I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me the other night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims, to wit, that I had received a "mod warning" for posting to her, and was only pretending to have her on *ignore*, was a "sick fuck" and was "stalking" her. Every single bit of which was untrue - and, what's further, the poster in question had to know that her claims were untrue. She just didn't care: there was a debate to "win" on the internet, you see ( ).

Had that kind person at the other board I frequent not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, these claims would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).*

That small tale sums up the tactics of the overall HRC booster squad here - or the angriest and most bitter of them anyway - and it really turns decent people off.

(*edited repost)

[apocalypsehow]

57. ...

[LittleClarkie]

58. Funny how antiwar hero Rep Murtha became Mr. Pork Barrel "shut up old man" when he endorsed Hillary

It can go both ways.

But indeed, I've seen Kerry, Kennedy, Olbermann, and Richardson all trashed for merely endorsing Obama. Quite a wonder to behold, it is.

[AX10]

59. Russ Feingold, John Lewis, and John Conyers

I still hold in high regard.

Richardson can go to hell though, as can Dodd and McCackill.

[bigtree]

60. Do Obama supporters like ANY Democrats who support Hillary Clinton?

stupid questions. stupid premise.

[Forkboy]

63. Did you see the two threads yesterday where each camp was asked to say something nice...

..about the other camp's SD's?

Quite a difference. Draw your own conclusions. :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5358928&mesg_id=5358928

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5358753&mesg_id=5358753

I'm not saying that Obama people haven't been bad, but these two threads are drastically different. On top of that, look at the comments today by some Hillary supporters about Jimmy Carter. He's only one of the best men to ever enter the field of politics, and has done so much to help so many. But look at the shit he's catching.

Personally, I think anyone who would attack him because he didn't support the same person needs to seriously rethink their political ideology, because there's nothing liberal, progressive, or Democratic about trashing such a man. On that I bet we both agree.

[Bright Eyes]

61. They're all 'Judases' to them.

Kinda sad, really.

[BlueStater]

62. I'm more anti-Obama than I am pro-Hillary

I still like Kerry and Kennedy but I never cared much for Richardson in the first place.

[mkultra]

64. i was pro-obama then became anti-hillary

Just drop the hate folks but don't respond to it either.

[totodeinhere]

65. I think in the real world it's not so bad.

I have several friends outside of DU who are Clinton supporters and we get along just fine. We argue sometimes but we're still friends.

[Forkboy]

67. Both my parents support her. We get along fine too.

My father is always a centrist, my mother more left than me most of the time. Just not THIS time. :)

[lumberjack_jeff]

68. Yes. Just not the ones who call her a whore. We're funny that way. n/t