Obama is Weaker General Election Candidate... TOO Risky for Dem Nomination...

[Tellurian]

* Florida: Clinton 44 percent - McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 - 37 percent;

* Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent;

* Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 40 percent; Obama leads McCain 43 - 39 percent.

Quinnipiac Poll

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a 50 - 41 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters and runs better against Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 53 - 41 percent lead in a March 18 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. In general election match ups of the three largest and most important swing states in the Electoral College, the survey finds.

* Florida: Clinton 44 percent - McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 - 37 percent;
* Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent;
* Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 40 percent; Obama leads McCain 43 - 39 percent.

The primary vote between Obama and Clinton splits sharply along racial lines, with her advantage coming from stronger support in every contest from white voters. For example, Clinton leads 59 - 34 percent among white Pennsylvania likely primary voters, while Obama leads 73 - 11 percent among black Democrats.

"When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton's strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute."

[Tellurian]

1. As the former President said: "Obama IS a Roll of the Dice"

A risk we can't afford to take!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Are we supposed to take Bill Clinton seriously?

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

17. He won two Presidential elections..I'd say he's a bit more qualified

than a keyboard commando rolling on the floor..

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Uh huh.

Do you remember what else he did?

[Eric Condon]

40. But...but...he won! And that's all that matters in our culture! Might makes right, don't you know?

His triangulating, GOP-enabling policies don't matter! He has more integrity than Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, or Carter '80 because he actually WON!

Who CARES if he didn't pardon Leonard Peltier when he said he would? Leonard Peltier LOST when he went to prison! He wasn't a WINNER!


:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Tellurian]

54. He said; "I did not have Church with that Pastor!"

[GodlessBiker]

21. You don't think the fact that his wife is in the race has anything to do with what he says?

[Tellurian]

29. Is it illegal? Is Michelle saying she's proud of America for the First Time, just last week?

[GodlessBiker]

121. Is what illegal? Bill said something about Hillary's opponent. That should raise flags...

and cause us to question the motivation to say such things.

[Tellurian]

128. Biker.. put the flag down and step away from the bike..

you might hurt yourself holding onto that point!

[GodlessBiker]

131. You're the one who said Bill is more qualified. Oh, never mind. Waste of time.

[anamandujano]

50. Well, Obomba takes him seriously enough to say he would offer him a job.

Maybe you should too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. No, that's alright.

I wouldn't offer Bill Clinton a job.

[anamandujano]

85. So you question Bomba's judgment. You're finally coming around.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. Honestly?

If Obama said he'd offer Bill Clinton a job, he was just being polite. But I think you're thinking of Al Gore.

[Forkboy]

123. Bomba?

http://www.seriesbooks.com/bomba.htm

[zulchzulu]

99. Are you talking about the guy who cheated on his wife?

Real classy shit.

[indimuse]

108. hmmm..And What are your SINS...?

America wants to know. Please do tell...

[roguevalley]

114. all day yesterday they showed a poll with overwhelming evidence

among repugs that clinton would be easier to defeat than obama. cnn et al trumpeted it. so much for
obama being easily defeated.

[anamandujano]

150. If Repukes went through all the trouble of meddling in our primaries,

it's a given that they will skew a poll also.

[Forkboy]

120. LOL..no bias there.

[easy_b94]

2. Over 40 Million dollars...thats all

[MyNameGoesHere]

7. Yes if you want to buy an election that is great.

So how has shrub worked out for ya? He bought the election as well.

[Tellurian]

61. Mickey D's over 40 Million Burgers served...

:rofl:

[Yael]

3. Yet Hillary's positives are in Bush territory.

Go figure

[SoCalDem]

5. Don't "need" those states

[Vinca]

11. Bingo! nt

[speedoo]

28. McCain won't get 253 EV's vs. Obama.

McCain won't win PA, Ohio or Florida.

[SoCalDem]

33. Exactly... but just in case.. the map shows we don;t NEED

them..but with Her Royal Highness, we might lose other staes and be in desperate need of them..

[speedoo]

45. Agreed.

Hillary is not electable, even in a year in which no rethug should be able to win the presidency. I've been saying this for months.

[cseper]

91. I have nothing bad to say about Obama.

I have nothing bad to say about Obama.
If Obama wins - whoever wins the Democratic nomination, I'm behind him/her all the way.


But seriously, between the Black guy with two years experience
and the only team to win back-to-back presidential campaigns since FDR,
(the team that beat war hero Bush and war hero Dole),

...who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?

[dchill]

111. In a word - Hillary.

[Tellurian]

117. But the media says it's Obama thats not electable!

They must be using his bowling score for eligibility!

[TahitiNut]

44. Maybe. Maybe not. McCain/Romney COULD get Michigan, though.

As I've said for months, this is an election that's the Democrats' to lose ... and I know they're up to the task. For the last year or more the 'generic' vote has been 50-35 in favor of the Democrats. This election offers one of the Top Four opportunities for the Democratic Party of the last 100 years. Only 1932 was clearly more favorable.

It seems clear that the very fact that there's such a go-in advantage has precipitated the all-out internal war for control of the Party ... with the corporatists buying anyone they can and having down payments in each "camp." It seems clear that this is where the real action is ... and the corporate influence is more prevalent in one campaign than the other.

One of the more remarkable aspects of the stances taken by various DUers, on one side or the other, is the seeming abject ignorance of the threat of corporatism on the part of some. The correlation between that ignorance and the choice of candidate seems to high to ignore.

[speedoo]

49. Perhaps, but Romney would hurt McCain with the RW.

Mitt is hardly a terrific VP choice for McCain. IMO he hurts McCain more than he helps.

[TahitiNut]

81. I don't think so.

There's a big difference between POTUS and VPOTUS ... and, after all, who the Hell else would the extreme right-wing vote for?

Protection Racket Politics is alive and well on both the left and the right. BOTH Clinton and Obama offer a target for bigot-base rabble-rousing. McCain/Romney get a solid hold on Florida and a VERY likely win in Michigan. They both play well in Western New York and Eastern Washington as well ... both places have attitudes that I'm personally very familiar with.

The GOP's core constituency is MONEY. Around that, they've formed partitioned single-issue advocacy groups (i.e. hate-based mobs). Romney is the corporatist wet dream - he's 100% a creature of global corporatism. As a running MATE, his Mormonism is almost a non-issue for the Xtian religious fundies. For sure, however, he's teflon-coated candy for the racists and sexists. (What better than a religion that once viewed blacks as subhuman and doesn't permit women to be elders?) Cartoonish? Sure. But I'd not underestimate how that plays in the grunt and long-neck regions.

Romney occupies the Northeast spectra that McCain needs as a "Western" Republican. (Remember - Reagan chose Bush.)

[terrell9584]

55. Obama wins MO in a general, seriously?

When he only won half of it in the primary. Your whole map relies on holding Michigan, and given the margins that Gore and Kerry got in 2004, it will be a fight. A real fight

[Terran]

90. Missourians have a very big problem

with Republicans this election season, so yes, Obama can win here. Our current repub guvnor is so unpopular he's not even running for re-election (because he "accomplished everything he set out to do when he was elected"). :rofl:

Missouri is by no means a red state, we're about as purple as it gets. It can go either way in any year.

[flor de jasmim]

6. Do you really believe that, in light of recent history, or...

are you just kidding around?

[NeedleCast]

Is this the latest goal post?

[rodeodance]

75. wonder if Rove is helping BO set his goalposts:.....

[Debi]

8. Your concern is noted. n/t

[anamandujano]

56. Is that all you've got?

Are you trying to numb us all into oblivion with that hackneyed quip?

[MadBadger]

9. So Obama wins Ohio and PA, and he wins in NM, CO, IA, MN, WI, WA, OR...get the picture?

[endarkenment]

10. Caucuses don't matter. Primaries don't matter. Delegates don't matter.

We will tell you who will be the nominee and you will obey us. Sorry, but the voters have spoken, the people have decided who will be our nominee.

[anamandujano]

59. Wright and Rezko don't matter. Puny resumes don't matter.

Crossover meddling Repukes don't matter.

The voters are still speaking, much to your chagrin.

[SoCalDem]

63. ahh yes.. the resumé :)

[anamandujano]

71. Cartoons versus facts

The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James "Pate" Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.

Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's ­kingmaker.

snip

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."

http://dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/2

He tried the same crap in the US Senate. Kennedy read him the riot act.

[zulchzulu]

103. Look out! It's Snipers From NOWHERE!!! Run!!!

:rofl:

It's over. The Heroine of Tuzla tossed her last cards on the table. Snake eyes!

[tyne]

12. IOW, Why take the risk that Obama

might lose? We KNOW Hillary will lose...so, why risk a loss?

Isn't that about the gist of it?

[GodlessBiker]

13. I might believe you, if you could give us polls from November 2008.

[ProSense]

14. Hillary's campaign says you're wrong

Hillary Spokesperson: Yes, Obama Can Win A General Election

By Greg Sargent - April 3, 2008, 11:46AM

On a conference call with reporters this morning, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson was asked whether it's the Hillary campaign's official position that Obama can't win a general election against McCain, as Hillary is reported to have privately argued to Bill Richardson.

Wolfson's answer:

"No."

For some time now, the Hillary camp has been in a bind on this front. As her odds grow longer, it becomes necessary to sound the alarm about Obama's chances in a general election ever more loudly, to the point where the argument risks straying over the line into an assertion that he can't win at all.

Simply put, the campaign is struggling to strike a difficult balancing act: How to sow serious and enduring doubts about Obama's electability while simultaneously maintaining loyalty to the larger Democratic cause? Life ain't easy sometimes.

[Cronus Protagonist]

23. Ah, but Bill's telling people "He can't win"

A very good meme to get out if you want your wife to win. FUD sells everything in this country, from margarine to electric cars, and it will sell Hillary too.


(FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)

[Taxmyth]

43. Selling in this Country

(FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)

Spells trouble for the possibility of a President Obama if that's what the GOP is using. And they will.

[Cronus Protagonist]

47. I agree - I stand in admiration of Bill's cunning linguisms

He's the best at cutting to the three-four word frame that reaches out to the depths of one's beliefs. I feel his pain. :P

[Debi]

25. Ooops, I copied you below

:hi:

[Tellurian]

26. It may not be Hillary's position. It's a polling consensus Obama can't beat McCain

Once you acknowledge the numbers, you'll be fine!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

It shows Obama beating McSame... WTF?

Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent (Ohio)

Obama leads McCain 43 - 39 percent (PA)

You seem to be confused.

[Debi]

42. How can a general election poll be considered accurate when the Democratic nomination

hasn't been determined yet?

Wait, I know.

It can't.

[Tellurian]

72. When your that confused...GO..

"Bowling with Obama"

[Debi]

109. I would be honored to - he doesn' t feel the need to lie about his score...

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/yeartodate/news00/clinton.html

Bill Clinton says his reputation for awarding himself free shots on the golf course -- golfers call them ``mulligans'' -- is greatly exaggerated. He doesn't do it all that much, and even when he does, he says, he doesn't get a lot of benefit from it.

<snip>

[Tellurian]

144. Too many on site witnessess for Obama to sell that lie..

On Bill's behalf- At least he's honest enough to admit it..

These Obama doesn't have a problem with:

[kmsarvis]

116. HOW DARE YOU.......

BRING UP BOWL-GATE!!!!

[ProSense]

87. Acknowledge this:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_4u9lzZ9sqJk/R-u9nC78QPI/AAAAAAAAABY/Y_hLHLqfF1w/s800/McCain+v.+Clinton+%103-27-08.gif

http://bp3.blogger.com/_4u9lzZ9sqJk/R-u99i78QQI/AAAAAAAAABg/TKjCTPZqijQ/s800/McCain+v.+Obama+%103-27-08%29.gif


Analysis

It really doesn't matter how you or Hillary spins it.

[kwenu]

15. Obama will be the nominee. Seek therapy now and get a headstart on your fellow Hillary supporters.

[JoFerret]

153. Prepare to be raptured

purify thy souls

[cali]

16. tough shit

a)he can beat McCain, and b) get used to it, dear. Odds are very,very strong that he'll be the dem nominee. Hilly is a loser.

[Sadie5]

112. Cali

What will be your excuse for Obama losing to McCain after McCain grills Obama on his relationship with the two terrorist's(Ayres&wife) and Jane Fonda's support. He can't even find his papers from his days as a Illinois legislator due to his sloppy record keeping. He claims all his paperwork is missing, but I bet it's missing because of Rezko connections. Obama can't win against McCain, no two ways about it. Now go have a good cry and wipe your eyes, then look at reality for a change.

[cali]

146. I think you're living in fantasy hillyworld

and I think Obama will make mincemeat out of McCain. To be fair I think Hilly could beat McCain too.

[joshcryer]

18. Part of the reason why MI and FL are being seated is to help those FL numbers.

[islandmkl]

20. due to large population base in California...

the Sun will now rise in the West....

[SoFlaJet]

22. ATTENTION FELLOW DEMOCRATS

the new walking orders have been handed out by the CC for the day-expect more and more threads like this on DU

[JoFerret]

31. They should be BANNED

It is ridiculous that DU post anything less than adulatory of Obama.

[SoFlaJet]

36. I suspect many will be

when Obama wins the nomination and they all start supporting John McCain-every one of those threads will be alerted to the mods here

[JoFerret]

39. It should happen now and all discussion

...should be shut down completely. There is no room for any difference of opinion.

[anamandujano]

62. Too many exploding psyches.

[JoFerret]

140. Multiple perspectives...

Verboten.

[rodeodance]

118. Rather foolish to make that silly ASSumption:!!

Very demeaning of you to say such of fellow Democratics on this board!





I suspect many will be

when Obama wins the nomination and they all start supporting John McCain-every one of those threads will be alerted to the mods here

[rodeodance]

73. many BO fans have trouble with competition.

[rodeodance]

70. Rove and BO together here:---is BO getting his orders from Rove:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

76. You're pathetic.

Total hypocrite.

[rodeodance]

79. Lovely day.

[SeaLyons]

113. ..

:toast:

[JoFerret]

141. A uniter like bush?

and a compassionate conservative?

Eek!

[Tellurian]

78. The Grand Trifecta..Rove Obama and Murdock.." Who's your Daddy now?"

[donheld]

157. Every post made by Tellurian seem like a paid commercial for Hillary

A cheap commercial, but still a commercial. :puke:

[Debi]

24. That's not what Howard Woflson says...

Hillary Spokesperson: We Don't Think Obama Is Unelectable

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/hillary_spokesperson_yes_obama.php

On a conference call with reporters this morning, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson was asked whether it's the Hillary campaign's official position that Obama can't win a general election against McCain, as Hillary is reported to have privately argued to Bill Richardson.

Wolfson's answer:

"No."

For some time now, the Hillary camp has been in a bind on this front. As her odds grow longer, it becomes necessary to sound the alarm about Obama's chances in a general election ever more loudly, to the point where the argument risks straying over the line into an assertion that he can't win at all.

Simply put, the campaign is struggling to strike a difficult balancing act: How to sow serious and enduring doubts about Obama's electability while simultaneously maintaining loyalty to the larger Democratic cause? Life ain't easy sometimes.

<snip>

++++++++++++++

Who ya gonna believe? The Clinton campaign or the Clinton campaign :rofl:

[Tellurian]

27. The Clinton campaign doesn't want the whining Obama supporters

puddling up. She's taking the High Road...something your camp is unaccustomed to!

[Debi]

34. Oh my God, that is one of your better responses! Wish I could recommend it!

:rofl:

What is MY camp again?

I didn't caucus for Obama. You keep getting confused. Just like.......

[kwenu]

37. Does the High Road pass through Tuzla?? LOL!!!!

[anamandujano]

83. It sure doesn't pass through South Carolina.---link to video

Laugh? You should f'ing cry.

Jesse Jackson Jr. gets the race baiting rolling.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01/obama_campaign_cochair_questions_hillarys_tears.php

Here's one key quote:

...there were tears that melted the Granite State. And those are tears that Mrs. Clinton cried on that day, clearly moved voters. She somehow connected with those voters.

But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.

[rateyes]

30. I sure hope that the weather here where I live is more pleasant

for the weekend. I have a lot of outdoor projects to accomplish.

[Botany]

32. I hope Hillary stays on this meme

It is lethal to her ....

Hillary "Obama is too weak to win the general election."

? for Hillary so why are you getting beat by such a "weak
candidate" and does that show you weakness too.

:rofl:

Please team Hillary keep this up ..... it will finish Hillary off
for good.

[Tellurian]

52. It's all over the cable networks... It must be something about his bowling..

[Catchawave]

35. There's a youtube being passed around

which disturbingly uses Rev.Wright's "god damn America" repeatedly as voiceover for very graphic 9-11 scenes that haven't been made public til now.

Very troubling to think this is only one notch in the GOP belt.

[kid a]

38. If you believe ANY GE poll before the Dem Primary is over, you lack basic political knowledge

nt

[HooptieWagon]

41. So, you are saying our votes for the pledged delegates shouldn't count?

Hillary supporters hate democracy, I'm coming to realize. Count the votes if they are FOR her... otherwise they don't count. Such hypocrisy, but then it's what we've come to expect from the Shrill crowd. Hypocrisy, lies, voter suppression - just how is Hillary any different than W?

[krawhitham]

46. She CAN NOT win the GE

All McCain has to do is during a debate when asked about the war is to state

He knows what it is like to be in a war, he does not have to imagine snipper fire he lived through snipper fire. War is never a good thing but he has been in the line of fire and he knows this is the best course for the USA and Iraq

DONE STICK A FORK IN HER

[damntexdem]

48. Obama will be the nominee.

What are you going to do to make sure the Dem nominee wins?

[BzaDem]

51. Whatever we can. But that probably won't be enough.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. Plus, he might start a race war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5139420

:eyes:

[anamandujano]

67. He is short-sighted and already has. Imagine what he can do for

international relations.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Uh-huh...

:rofl:

[BenDavid]

57. A heads up obama folks. Come November 4th and the media

projects McCain winning Pa. you all can go to bed early and get a good nights sleep and come back in here on Wednesday and tell us all again that we need a fighter in the 2012 elections....I am sure we will pay attention to you and your wise decisions that the one trick pony obama was our best shot in taking back the white house.....BS.....you wanna win? then you take HRC and she will not only win all the new england states but pa with no problem....ohio and florida with no problems and there-in lays the new president.....

[MattP]

58. She can't even beat this unelectable guy in the primary?

If Hillary can't even beat this supposed weak guy in a primary how is she going to do in the GE?

[wileedog]

64. Correction - She can't be unelectable guy even though

she was up by 30 just 4 months ago.

And seriously, does anyone want Mark Penn anywhere near the GE, even Hillary supporters?

Do you think Ms. Loyalty is going to boot him if she somehow pulls this out?

Heckuva job Mark.

[Tellurian]

68. Hillary is beating him already..

Hillary leads in the Popular Vote and Electoral votes.

If the Republican formula of 'winner take all' is applied to the Primaries..

And Hillary is shown beating McCain in the General!

Hillary wins there too..

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html

[onenote]

80. McCain crushes HRC in electoral votes by that logic.

Heck, if you are going to assume that Obama would lose the electoral votes to McCain in every state that HRC won, then let's also assume that McCain would beat HRC for the electoral votes in every state that he won in the primaries. Make sense? Of course not. But neither does comparing HRC's and Obama's "electoral college" total based on the primaries.

[Tellurian]

94. Faulty premise..Hillary will have electoral votes from Red States..

Hillary is NOT Obama.. thats where your assupmtion fails.

Read the last paragraph in the OP..

[HooptieWagon]

102. So, all those Red State dittoheads are gonna vote for her in the GE?

uh, OK. :rofl:

[Tellurian]

126. Yeah, they have women in Red States...an Epiphany for you?

[onenote]

135. they have women in all 50 states last I noticed. Are you predicting a 50 state sweep?

[HooptieWagon]

145. Yes there are...

however, not many of them will vote for hillary just because she's a woman. In fact, "red state" women hate the Clintons as much as "red state" men. I have yet to see any persuasive arguement that hillary is going to carry any red states in the GE. I think her supporters are completely blind to how much the right hates her, and how distasteful the left finds her. Now that she's managed to piss off African Americans, just where is she going to get the votes in the GE? - sorry, there just aren't enough old white womyn to carry the day for her. Her base is shrinking, and at the same time, Obama is greatly expanding his.

[onenote]

134. keep on spinning

Will Hillary get white votes in red states that Obama might not get? Sure. Will she lose black votes in those states? Sure again. Will she get enough white votes to more than offset the loss of black votes and also to make up the difference between repub and democrats? Not likely.

Example: Hillary won the Tennessee primary. McCain lost the Tennessee primary. Does that mean that its shoo-in for Hillary against McCain? Does it mean that if its McCain (TN primary loser) v. Obama (TN primary loser), no one is going to win? Tennessee hasn't given 50 percent of its popular vote to a Democratic presidential candidate in more than 30 years (since Carter, 1976). Even "favorite son" Al Gore lost in Tennessee. But you're willing to put Tennessee in the win column automatically if HRC is the nominee? That's absurd.

There is no logic in looking at primary results and trying to extrapolate to the electoral college.

One last example: Arizona
Clinton won the primary. McCain won the primary. You really think Clinton is going to win the GE there? Or maybe, just maybe, the primary/electoral college analysis is more bs.

[HooptieWagon]

92. In other news; up is down, black is white, and war is peace.

The rules were set, and hillary agreed to them. Apportioned delegates count, not popular vote (which hillary is losing , BTW)or "electoral" votes (where did this strawman come from?)... And Hillary is trailing in all the polls vs. Mccain; and has 55% negative polls right now. She not only can't win, she can't even withdraw with dignity and grace. As a plus, the "Tonya Harding" strategy should put a stake in the Clinton/DLC legacy, so real Dems can be rid of those zombies forever more.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

93. "If the Republican formula of 'winner take all' is applied to the Primaries."

Here you go:

[Tellurian]

130. Read the OP...It's you people who like spinning facts..for instant gratification, I'd say..

Or some sort of primitive soothing!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

132. Yes, we're the ones moving the goalposts every time.

You're actually moving into new stadiums now.

[Tellurian]

133. cute... if you like "cute"..

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

96. This is the primary season...you know that, right?

The Electoral College is for the General Election. Maybe you didn't get the memo.

Hillary is sinking in quicksand. She lost. Get over it. Join the Pugs for all I care.

[HooptieWagon]

106. "Join the Pugs for all I care."

Oh, she will. Out of spite, she will. Soon to come, T's McCis44 website... which will be as laughable as His44...

[Tellurian]

137. I thought we agreed on no backstabbing...and FYI, I'm not a spiteful person..

My Dad always told me: "The Best Revenge Is Success!" And he's right of course!

[cseper]

97. Obama is entitled to the Democratic nomination?

You people think Obama is entitled to the Democratic nomination by divine right. He boasts about taking the red states, caucus states without early voting. Okay, let's poll Utah, Kansas, Indiana and Idaho on a match-up of Obama vs. McCain. Obama's BS campaign about change and hope, well change is a constant and if you want hope, go to church. By the way, Obama was on the platform when some rock star gave a gay bashing tirade and didn't open his mouth. Together with Mrs. Obama got a free ride to Harvard and Princeton and never before felt any pride in America. And neither found time to join our military!

[anamandujano]

151. Repukes will be voting for their own in November. That is correct,

he is ahead because of their meddling.

[NDambi]

60. Yawwwwnnnn...Hilda is going down..nothing to stop it or catch her..It's over. Accept it.

[Cheap_Trick]

65. big yawn

[rodeodance]

66. REC

[onenote]

74. so, if HRC gets the nomination, do you think McCain immediately conceds and we skip the election?

Of course not. GE polls at this stage are a joke. A big unreliable joke. Just ask President (oops) Dukakis.

[4_Legs_Good]

77. He's way too risky, like Dean! Let's go with someone SAFE like Kerry or Clinton!

That's the *smart* thing to do!

That way we're safe and KNOW we'll be in the White House in January!!!

:sarcasm:

"Electability" is a word that should be stricken from the English language.

David

[anamandujano]

95. Careful now. Obomba is taking strategy from Kerry.

:shrug:

[Clintonista2]

84. K&R! Obama = Lose 2008.

[ProSense]

89. Hillary=Lose, period! n/t

[Clintonista2]

101. Nonsense

[ProSense]

105. Is she losing? Can she win the GE when she loses the primary? n/t

[shadowknows69]

86. I guess it suck that he's going to be the candidate then

You might as well get on board with that truth and support your party.

[zulchzulu]

88. Please give the gift of the Clintons to the GOP so it can empower their base

Give it up. Hillary has a 3% chance at the nomination and is flat broke besides.

But thanks for playing! :hi:

[nichomachus]

98. Must nominate John Kerry. He's electable.

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Mantra from 2004.

Remind me how that turned out.

[ProSense]

107. Reminders

here

Still, in order for Kerry to compete in the GE, he first had to win the primary, which he did.

[nichomachus]

110. But

But only after the corporate media, with help from John Kerry, unleashed an unprecedented barrage against front-runner Howard Dean and convinced primary voters that Dean was "unelectable" and that Kerry was electable.

[progressoid]

100. I love these April fools OPs!

[Debi]

115. Heh, give or take a few days!

:hi:

[progressoid]

119. Hey.

I'm going to try to get to CF/UNI sometime this month. Daughter is accepted at the UofIowa but I think she should at least visit UNI and see what she's missing!

I'm off to South Dakota.

:hi:

[Debi]

142. South Dakota? WTHECK?

UNI is better than Iowa b/c we're smaller and less expensive and we have a smaller ratio of football player/parolee!! :P

Have a great trip!

[Forkboy]

124. Some people are unintentional jokers year round.

[BlooInBloo]

122. Black people are VERY scary.

[butterfly77]

125. WRONG!

[Milo_Bloom]

127. Clinton turns blue states red...

Washington: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 46, Clinton 43, Und 11 McCain +3
Washington: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 43, Obama 48, Und 9 Obama +5


Oregon: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 42, Obama 48, Und 10 Obama +6
Oregon: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 46, Clinton 40, Und 14 McCain +6


She even puts CA into play..

California: McCain vs. Obama PPIC McCain 40, Obama 49, Und 7 Obama +9
California: McCain vs. Clinton PPIC McCain 43, Clinton 46, Und 7 Clinton +3


It is clear, she cannot possibly win in the GE.

[Sean Stuart]

129. Posting GE polls six months before the election is desperate and ridiculous

Hey! Let's compare Hillary and Barack's poll numbers before Iowa so we can see who'd win the primary! No? OK. Didn't think so.

[LittleClarkie]

136. And so if he's beating Hillary, what does that make her?

Both are risky for different reasons.

We shall see.

[Lannigan]

138. K&R

:kick:

[Xero1]

139. zzz

And we had to vote for John Kerry in 2004 because neither Dean or Edwards could win the GE. How did that turn out?

[Alexander]

143. So Obama's leading in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Oh no! We can't have that!

Just come out and say what you feel. You don't think Obama can win white voters because he's black.

Or are you afraid of joining Herman Munster six feet under?

[kikiek]

147. k

[sueragingroz]

148. K... R..

[Hailtothechimp]

149. Are you suggesting that the other 47 states don't count?

If you are, take your theory and stick it.

[OzarkDem]

152. He's not making progress against McCain, but Clinton is

I guess that's why Obama is starting to talk like a neo-con, huffing and puffing about being strong on defense.

[anonymous171]

154. I see you got your newest talking points from Hillaryis44?

[Clintonista2]

156. And Obama doesnt refuse to appear on fox

[mzmolly]

155. Not according to EV.com

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5371523&mesg_id=5371523