WTH? Clinton won't release her MARCH total donations 'til April 20th?!

[jenmito]

They just reported that on CNN! That sounds pretty suspicious to me! Especially since she hasn't yet released her tax returns yet, either.

[NJmaverick]

1. That is suspicious

Then again it does seem to support the rumor that she doesn't want to quite, while in debt.

[kwenu]

4. She may not have a choice at this point.

[Tellurian]

46. What are you talking about? Hillary raised $20 Million dollars this month!

get with the program..It's been announced on msnbc!

[kwenu]

52. Wrong. It hasn't been confirmed that she raised $20 mil., it's only been estimated.

She won't release the actual numbers until forced to later this month. It's also reported that she is in debt to past vendors in the amount of $8.7 million. :hide:

You need to do some serious catching up yourself.:rofl:

[Tellurian]

54. She has released the actual number, moron..

She's talking about a detailed report of the donors..

Try soaring like an eagle once in a while..it's fun!

[kwenu]

57. Soaring like an eagle? It's more like lying like a dog. UPDATE: She owes $8.7 mil. to vendors.

The sources at MSNBC state she has NOT, repeat, NOT, released her campaign fundraising total for March. And won't do so until April 20th. The $20 million dollars credited to her is based upon estimates.

She's terrified that the scent of "LOSER" can't be washed off so she is concealing the information in accordance with her standard mode of handling negative information.

[Tellurian]

59. Clinton raises $20 million in March: (from her campaign) source

BURBANK, California (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton raised $20 million for her presidential bid in March, a campaign source said on Thursday, putting her well behind the more than $40 million raised by rival Barack Obama.

"That's our second best fund-raising month to date," the campaign source said. Clinton, a New York senator, raised $35 million in February.

Obama, an Illinois senator, raised more than $40 million in March as the hard-fought Democratic presidential battle continued to shatter fundraising records.

Clinton, speaking to reporters in California, said she would have enough money to continue her fight with Obama. The two are competing for the right to take on Republican John McCain in November's presidential election.

"We're both raising huge amounts of money," she said. "I have enough money to compete. Obviously Senator Obama has more than enough money to compete."

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSWBT00870020080403?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

{i}...you really should spend your free time reading more for comprehension...if at all possible..

Nowhere is the word "estimate" found on the internet regarding her fundraising totals..

[kwenu]

60. More Clinton campaign lies and trickery. An unnamed Clinton SOURCE SAYS???? Are you kidding?

Now I'm doubting whether she even has anything close to $20 million. She needs to release the figures if she has them NOT send an unnamed source out to the media. She is clearly ashamed of her fundraising and you need to get a clue and realize that if you have to lie to make your candidate sound decent you don't have a candidate worth supporting.

It was YOU who used MSNBC as your source so YOU know full well they said that the Clinton campaign has only provided an estimate and has NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT released actual numbers. :rofl:

[Tellurian]

62. How old are you 12?

It was announcend on tv and follwed up by a story in print. Zing!

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

[populistdriven]

67. there is a reason that person is on my ignore list - add them to yours!

[populistdriven]

68. there is a reason that person is on my ignore list - add them to yours!

[flpoljunkie]

61. She also declined today to answer questions about her campaign's debt.

[ORDem]

70. It's easy to understand, really. A large chunk of those donations are for the GE not the primary.

Her campaign is in tatters and she's trying to patch the illusion here and there. One way to do that with contributions is to give the gross number ($20M) and not talk about how much of that is for the GE only. Her donors are far fewer in number than Obama's. She can't go to the well time and again like he can (his avg. donor has only given $96). So, they max out early and can only then give to her GE fund. She can't spend that in the primaries. Subtract those donations, plus her outstanding debt, and she is hurtin' for certain. How the hell can she compete in a state the size of PA without money?

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

2. Maybe her fundraising was so awesomely awesome that she wants

to drop the good-news bomb right before the PA voting? Or...not. Strange.

[jenmito]

5. That's funny...

But it IS strange, isn't it?! Could it be she owes so much to the people/vendors that she netted NOTHING?

[easy_b94]

7. I really do not think she raised more then the big O..also that 04/20 is a deadline to report money

[dchill]

9. Maybe? Maybe...

NOT!

[hisownpetard]

3. What does she say these days that *doesn't* sound suspicious? Not much, imo.

[jenmito]

8. I agree. I wonder if the media will question this at all or just accept it as not out of the

ordinary. If the media doesn't do it, Obama's surrogates definitely should.

[hisownpetard]

51. Obama and Crew have been exceedingly civil to her imo, despite what some people say on these boards.

But I have a feeling that there are some land mines the size of Manhattan in all those unreleased papers
(and in Bill's list of library donors, too).

How much do you wanna bet that something prevents her from releasing them on the announced date in April?

[dchill]

19. She said something the other day...

But I...

couldn't...

hear her...

because...

of the...

SNIPER FIRE!

So it's not her fault...

[NDambi]

23. Lmaooooooooooo good one funny

[grantcart]

6. hmmmmmmmm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

64. Coincidence.

Surely!

[anigbrowl]

10. Sign of weakness, hoping PA voters won't notice

Obama's campaign announced $40 million this morning. If reports are true and the Clinton campaign raised only half that or less, then it doesn't speak well to her chances in the GE (although that's still far better than McCain) or the possibilities if she were in charge of the economy. The GOP will really hammer her with 'tax and spend' accusations, and point to her primary campaign fiscal mismanagement as exhibit A.

She's relying on getting a sympathy vote in PA as people react to her 'poor me, I've been outspent again' message, before they start asking themselves where the money went and why she hasn't done better. All the campaign emails I get from team Clinton are pure victimology, complaining about how Big Bad Obama is outspending her left and right.

[jenmito]

13. But PA voters should be made AWARE of this as well as her not-yet-released tax returns

which will show she's a multi-millionaire. She acts like the person who will "fight" for the little guy while being totally NON-transparent when it comes to her own finances.

Yes-I've gotten all those emails, too, lying about what Obama said about her, about "the boys" ganging up on her, etc. Pathetic.

[cooolandrew]

11. Her administration will be open and transparent to be gracious and positive.

[jenmito]

14. Yup...

just like her campaign.

[lisa58]

12. must be ugly

[jenmito]

16. All I know is she was bragging about being able to raise $3 million in the last 3 days of the month.

Sad that she had to try to work so hard to raise that money. Maybe that's all she earned that month!

[lisa58]

18. I saw today that she's holding three fundraisers in California...

...the Elton John concert is in April and ABC says the Clintons have earned LOTS of money in the past few years. That said, she probably doesn't want anyone to know that she's funding her own campaign and hopes these big fundraisers make up the difference before she reveals her numbers.

This, of course, is pure speculation on my part - maybe I can get a job as a pundit!

[jenmito]

20. I saw that, too...

But I really wish the media or the Obama surrogates would make an issue of her non-transparency on these issues. It's just like a continuation of the Bush admin. with all the secrecy.

[DJ13]

15. She's probably afraid to show her own money is propping up her campaign again

That seriously damaged her as a viable candidate with some voters last time she reported spending $5 million of her own money.

[flor de jasmim]

17. Reactions of any Hillary supporters out there? Does it matter to you?

[jenmito]

21. Let's keep kicking to try to get a response from one. n/t

[Debi]

22. Legally she doesn't have to - and this way she can conitinue to bs contributors

into giving more money w/out knowing that she now has more debt than COH.

[Independent-Voter]

26. her supporters are largely older, low educated, white women. They'll fall for this shit as long as

Veruca strings them along.

[Debi]

27. And when she's finally evicted she'll make sure to lay the blame on someone else

so those supporters will too.

[Independent-Voter]

29. No kidding. Birds of a feather and all that. It's borderline psychotic.

[Zachstar]

24. K&R She needs to report and be more open.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

25. you can mark this down as the day the biggest Clinton camp Obama smear/ad will begin running.

There is no other reason to not get the bad news out now...unless it is horrible news that they plan to try to cover up at the last minute with something disgusting

[babylonsister]

28. All About the Benjamins

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/04/03/all-about-the-benjamins.aspx

All About the Benjamins

Forget Barack Obama's $40 million fundraising haul in March. This looks to me to be the bigger story:

Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson refused to release Clinton's specific fundraising take.... Wolfson said Clinton's fundraising figures would not be made public until the Federal Election Commission required it be done in the middle of this month.

For those keeping track at home, the Clinton campaign released her disappointing but not disastrous $13+ million January total a couple of days into February and her impressive $35 million February take before the month was even over. So I think it's safe to assume the March numbers hold some pretty dismal news. The only question is whether it'd be better to get it out of the way now or have it come out a few days before the Pennsylvania primary. The Clinton campaign has evidently concluded the latter.

[Debi]

33. Oh great - now TNR is dead to the Clinton campaign

x(

[loveangelc]

30. She made close to 20 million...meaning something like 17 or 18 million...

embarrassing when compared to the over 40 million obama raised.

[Debi]

31. Hah you couldn't stay away could you? More like 12 or 13 mil

with over $10 million in unpaid debt (that's my guess)

[loveangelc]

34. No :(

[cottonseed]

32. Just Fix It!

I'd hate to be her finance people right now. Their task is making 16 mil in donations seem like 20.

[Debi]

35. And $10 million in debt seem like....not $10 million in debt???? n/t

[quantass]

36. It will SCARE HER PA VENDORS if she releases now ... Who would lend w/o getting paid first!

tidal wave of angry people looking to get paid if they see in writing that she isn't making all that much...
Can you imagine how many PA shops would demand to get paid 1st if she came out with her figures now....she'd have a tougher time campaigning in PA .... if i were her i'd not release the amounts

[anigbrowl]

I wouldn't. I do sound for film and sometimes events...

and unfortunately when you work freelance in the entertainment/event biz it's not a steady gig financially. Chasing bad debts and suchlike is the worst part but unfortunately a common occurrence. If I were asked to provide professional services or hire gear to this campaign, I would only do it COD - I can't afford to carry debt for months on end. It's a tough business and I feel really sorry for any vendors that are trying to collect from this campaign.

[eleny]

37. This will only make for bad press until the figure is released

"Rock and a hard place" kind of deal. Release the sad truth and donations dry up. Don't release the figures and speculation could produce the same result.

[jenmito]

38. They just announced she raised $20 million in March. Why did they say they wouldn't release

their take 'til April 20th?

[ErinBerin84]

39. strange

Yes, what was the point of saying that they were going to hold off until the deadline? Twenty million is nothing to be ashamed about.

[madrchsod]

40. "expected" to raise 20 million..

won`t release till mid april..other wise she`s running on fumes

[easy_b94]

41. - the debt she have 10-13 Million????

[jenmito]

42. Are you sure? "Expected to raise"? n/t

[bunnies]

44. Sounded to me like a solid figure. On MSNBC.

Released by the Clinton Camp. 20 million.

[jenmito]

45. That's what I heard. But they added that they didn't disclose how much can be used in the

primary, OR how much debt they owe.

[bunnies]

48. Yep. And I just heard it repeated again.

Clinton camp releases figures.

Even without their debt, Clinton raising HALF as much as Obama doesnt look good. This year has proven that she cant hold a candle to him where it comes to fundraising skills. Plus... a quarter of a million NEW donors during the Wright controversy?! Makes it really hard to convince the SD's that Wright is a problem.

Gobama! :bounce:

[jenmito]

49. Yup...and the fact that Obama had bad news most of the month proves the way HE

deals with adversity is presidential compared to how Hillary deals with it. She supposedly won TX, and OH and RI, yet STILL only raised half the amount Obama raised, not to mention all her debt. Who woulda thunk the new guy could outraise the establishment candidate?!

[bunnies]

55. Everybody underestimated Obama.

Including myself (way back). I couldnt figure out what everyone loved about him. Then all the sudden... I got it.

Richardson said it best... Obama is a once in a lifetime politician. If he wasn't, Hillary would have sewn this up already. She's proven his point.

[jenmito]

65. I'm glad you support him now...

I was originally for Wes Clark, not even paying attention to anyone else. After it was clear Clark wasn't running, I watched those who WERE running and I just totally fell for Obama (politically). :D He has continued to impress me and continues to impress me more and more all the time. He's unbelievable!

[Lucky 13]

43. She's still collecting cans to cash in for change to add to the total.

Her numbers are bad. Something like HALF of what Barack raised in March. She doesn't want that out there while she's still trying to raise money to pay off her debts and pay herself back that loan.

[my3boyz]

47. Perhaps she loaned herself more money and does not want that to get out now?

Why I have no idea because last time it caused her donations to increase.

[jenmito]

50. She's not disclosing how much debt she has. But I'm not surprised. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

56. This AP chart calls her $20 million "approximate."

[jenmito]

63. Thanks, flpoljunkie!

Interesting! :hi:

[Alexander]

53. The Pennsylvania primary is April 22nd. Coincidence? I think not.

She's hoping to release them on Sunday, so they miss the Monday news cycle and voters in Pennsylvania aren't aware of the fact that she's only raising half as much money as Obama.

[BryMan]

58. Something I can't understand

Why all the vendors she owes money to don't sue her for whats owed them?

I mean if I default on a loan a collection agency will come after me, but this is waaayyyy beyond tiny insignificant me here with my tiny ability to owe money, she owes millions to dozens of vendors. My behind would be in a courtroom already, and probably ruined for life, why are the vendors being such wimps about THEIR money?

[Revanchist]

66. Well....

Would YOU want to sue the next possible President of the United States? I know I wouldn't.

[BryMan]

72. If that person owed me money...

that ranges into the ten of thousands....hell yes I would sue for whats owed me. I'd have employees I need to pay, and I'm not going into the red or worse out of fear.

If fear of standing up for yourself, and your employees would keep you from doing that would you want to vote for a person you fear like that?

[Califooyah Operative]

69. I wonder how much of that money they raised was for the general?

They may not have very much for the primary to spend after debt. I wonder if we'll see another 'loan'?

[Life Long Dem]

71. Her supporters support her secrecy.