I don't want this man back in the White House

[atal]

I haven't forgiven him for cheating on his wife and I expect him to do it again and again! Especially with very "little" to do as the spouse (or "First Gentleman") of the President ....




He was a fantastic President, but it's time for him to completely disappear from our political scene.

[Writer]

1. You won't forgive him for cheating on his wife?

What business is that of yours???

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[niyad]

13. clinton lied (although, not legally, you understand" NOBODY DIED

what part of this do you not understand?

what about the LIES of this maladministration and the untold numbers of dead? do you care about that?

by the way, why exactly ARE you an ex=pat?

[tabasco]

90. Clinton's lies put Bush in the White House.

Then people started dying.

[JuniperLea]

102. Can you prove that? Got link?

:eyes:

[tigereye]

111. no, a terribly run Gore campaign and SCOTUS crap put * in the WH

as well as arrogance on the part of the Bush team in isolationist Foreign Policy as well as assuming America was at no risk.


It astounds me that we Dems spend so much time complaining about a Democratic president with some good policies who was able to get himself elected more than once. Incredible. I know many people who would have gladly voted for him a third time.

[tabasco]

122. Do you think the Lewinsky affair and Clinton's lies about it had no political effect?

That's naive, IMO. I'm sorry, but welcome to the USA.

Clinton was a very popular President, but his bad judgment and lies fired up the fundie base and made a difference in a very close election. IMO, enough of a difference to ALLOW the USSC to intervene and make the illegal decision to install Bush.

Sex and lies have political consequences in the USA. I wish we were more like France and allowed our leaders to have private lives. but we're not there yet.

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[Catherine Vincent]

44. Word!

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[atal]

77. Would that make a person any less American?

A nice distraction...

[olkaz]

86. Uh no...

I was asking seriously. I wasn't making a joke.

I wasn't making a distraction, I was trying to derive some sort of meaning out of the message. Sue me.

[LittleClarkie]

108. No, but commas are nice sometimes

when people want to be understood.

[JuniperLea]

103. That's what PM's are for...

Why would you call out another DUer for thier grammar? Why publically scold someone like that? That's lame... especially when you don't capitalized the E in English. Duh... people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Hutzpa]

121. All those got tombstoned?

dang! Mods are on the trail....

[atal]

71. But we'll have you supporting Obama as well

and we'll fight this election together with ex-Clinton supporters and win.. ;)


For your info Hillary is running with her husband, who happens to be Bill. It's a negative factor, period! His past can't be ignore or shoved under the carpet.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

78. Worthless.

[SammyWinstonJack]

87. !!!

:applause:

[Skidmore]

94. Boy, a class act you are.

Obama whores?

[LaurenG]

110. Honey, I think you are in the wrong place.

I hope your stay here is more peaceful for you than it's been for us. :eyes:

[WinkyDink]

49. Maybe you think he should have been less of a gentleman? Yes, that's right. At that time, Monica

had NOT revealed anything. What would you have had this man do, smear her what was then good name? Show her for the (adult) trollop she was? "Why, yes. Even though this young woman isn't saying anything about us, I WILL! She....."

GET REAL.

Oh, and BTW---explain why you wanted to know the "truth" about his sex life, hmmmmmm??? Nosey Parker, are we?

[JuniperLea]

101. Now there is a valid reason to hate a president...

But that was him. Not Hillary... if that is the "natural" conclusion you attempt to draw here.

[JuniperLea]

99. Seriously!

WTF?

Lame assed excuse to hate on a president... what president didn't cheat on his wife???

[Waya]

2. You don't want him......

.......in the WH because he cheated on his wife? If not cheating on one's spouse isd a requirement for people on the political scene - we wouldn't have a political scene...........

[Skip Intro]

3. How is his marriage any of your business?

Nice little hit job. Keep trying.


Wanna talk past (present?) drug use by the candidates?

[Fabio]

60. It did disable his ability to lead

to a full extent during the later half of his presidency.

[SammyWinstonJack]

89. No, the republicans did that along with the corprat media. If not for those two groups

trying to bring President Clinton down, the Country wouldn't have known about his private affairs. It was NONE of our business. But they made it our business.

[Fabio]

119. Whoa! Right. Your post makes sense.

So you are saying it didn't hurt him politically? Or shouldn't?

Meanwhile, I take exception to the none of our business stuff. He was hooking up with an employee -- as a superior. That's very dangerous ground. And the lack of judgment does bother me very much.

None of which I hold against Senator Clinton, btw. But the husband has not worn well on me.

[Saturday]

4. Whatever. nt

[graywarrior]

5. Who gives a shit about that.

Seriously.

[dchill]

46. You're kidding, right?

There are "journalists" right now keeping files on the Big Dog's current assignations. That's one example of "Who gives a shit about that." There are lots of others, as you well know. Besides, he got impeached for lying to a grand jury, which, I'm told, is illegal.

[graywarrior]

68. Fine.

But there are way more important things to worry about. And BTW, I am not a Hillary supporter.

[theoldman]

6. And just why would you expect him to do it again.

I think he would be busy as Hell if his wife becomes president.

[peace13]

23. This makes me laugh.

You think he will be busier as First Gentleman than he was as President of the United States? You are like a comedian only funnier!

[atal]

31. He'll be assigned to nominate White House staff

And interview Interns.. !

[niyad]

48. and just why do you think that?

by the way, you still haven't answered WHY you are an ex-pat? and WHY do you think you have the infallible view on someone else's marriage?

and WHY do you think the clenis is of more importance than the thugs currently running this country? you need a reality check, ex-pat.

[Marrah_G]

7. Some days this place looks very similar to the FR. n/t

[theoldman]

9. Somedays it is FR.

[niyad]

8. do you think all former presidents should completely disappear from the political

scene, or just this one? and if so, why?

you haven't forgiven him for cheating? how are you involved in this relationship?

[rurallib]

11. Nor any of the criminals - er - advisers that surround Bushie

I don't think McCain is bright enough to put his own gang of criminals together, so he will just re-arrange the deck chairs and call it a cabinet. And then let the thieving continue.

[DJ13]

12. Forget the sex, he really wasnt a good President (for Dems)

He never did rally the base of our party, winning two terms with a minority each time.

He ended up pushing through into law more of Bush sr.'s platform as President than even Bush sr. would have gotten accomplished.

[dysfunctional press]

15. bingo.

i'm definitely not a fan.

[NDambi]

19. Exactly. It's not about his Johnson and what he did with it...it's much bigger than that..

[aquarius dawning]

32. Right, Jimmy Carter was much better. Ask anyone old enough to remember. nt

[JuniperLea]

104. I love Jimmy...

But even he confessed he'd commited adultry in his heart... now THAT is a class act. It was only in his MIND but he came clean.

I think Jimmy is one of our unsung heros... never got enough credit, imho.

[Megahurtz]

93. I agree. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

14. how do you know he was cheating?

and how is it your place to "forgive him" if he did?

for all anyone knows, bill and hillary could have an agreement whereby he's free to get all the blowjobs he wants.

not all women have psychological hang-ups in regard to sex.

[Bigleaf]

16. "Who? Me? Bill Clinton? I'm going to say it again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Yeah, that woman, my wife. I mean, just look at the way she described the "Big Dawg to those reporters. But I have another good reason. You see, she was over in Bosnia dodging sniper fire, and you know, a man can get lonely at times like these. So I invited my intern friend over to the residence,



yeah, her, and I pulled out one of these




and, well, you know the rest of the story.

[pompano]

105. Excuse me for being naive....

and yes, I remember the Lewinski scandal, most of us do.

What is at the bottom of your post? The rest of the story part? You lost me there. Clue in the clueless, would ya?

[Arkansas Granny]

17. I wasn't aware that the fidelity of one's spouse was a determining factor for electability.

[atal]

25. It is in the real world......

[niyad]

30. according to whom? how many of our presidents have had affairs?

including the current squatter in the people's house.

got news for you, most of us don't care.

[WinkyDink]

42. Bwahahaha! Where? France? England? Italy? GMAB.

[BeyondGeography]

18. What's he trying to prove, anyway?

Just go hang out with rich people and pretend it's all about charity, Bill. Every now and then give a knowledgeable political speech. Travel the world and watch the net worth soar...what's not to love?

[atal]

20. It matters to me..... should it be overlooked?

Should I forget it ever happened? And ignore the possibility of him returning to his old ways?


If I could believe it'll never happen again, then yes, it doesn't matter int he slightest.


If it happens again, do we IGNORE it??? (I'm not defending this Clinton again!!)

[niyad]

26. WHY does it matter to you? was he cheating on YOU? no, I don't think so.

there are far more serious issues at stake here than a blow job supposedly done by somebody who ISN"T running for office.

YOUR moral outrage would, I think, be better spent on the immorality of the current illegal occupant of the people's house, and his cronies.

just because it matters to you, news flash, most of us don't care.

[atal]

55. If the immorality of the current occupant...

....of the White House bothers you, then so should a return of another immorality to the White House.


Bill can't wait to return to his playing ground, with little else to do and I intend to help stopping him. With both Obama and McCain you'd get a clean house, but not with Bill.


Yes many don't care, but this is a major "Electability" issue come the General Election, which most Democrats are sadly overlooking.

[niyad]

63. the immorality of the current occupant of the people's house is KILLING people

the fact that YOU cannot perceive the difference is YOUR problem.

WHY are you so hung up on Pres. Clinton's sexual behaviour? you haven't answered ANY of my questions.

and, guess what, little boy, none of us need to be told by some self-proclaimed, circumstantial moralist what is and isn't important in an election.

go play on the other site, why don't you? you have become tedious and boring.

[loveangelc]

21. ugh who knows where that finger has been.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. It must be a tremendous burden

to go through life with the weight of another man's penis weighing you down.

[Marrah_G]

24. O..M..G

You just made me spit coffee all over my screen.

DAMMIT MONKEY!

[MonkeyFunk]

27. Marrah!

Nice to see you! :hi:

[Marrah_G]

38. Thanks :)

I decided to come back and give it another try for a few days. If I feel my blood pressure rising I'll go back into hiding :)

I'm doing my best to ignore the jerks and K&R the good folks on both sides.

[niyad]

28. ah, I think you have hit on the OP's problem CLENIS ENVY

[jobycom]

36. .

Nothing to add, just .

[PBS Poll-435]

47. You kind-of have to feel bad about it

Damn that Clenis!!

1st - You meet :hi:
2nd - A little flirtation :pals:
3rd - Then you catch a glimpse :wow:
4th - Then .... :puffpiece:
5th - You realize your fate :scared: :cry:
6th - Umm.... :spank:
7th - Its over... :smoke:
8th - The critique :thumbsup:

[Catherine Vincent]

51. ...

:rofl:

[aquarius dawning]

29. It isn't your place to forgive him.

[atal]

34. Probably not...

But I have a right to believe he doesn't deserve to go back into the White House due to his past actions.

[aquarius dawning]

41. Right, we should punish the woman he cheated on for his sins. That's how we roll in America now

sharia style.

[aquarius dawning]

43. sharia style

[atal]

67. Imagine one scandal after another

with him back in the White House.

Surely even the First-Gentleman needs to live up to an acceptable standard.

Or doesn't it become a laughing matter for the evening talk shows Or should we just pretend it isn't happening when it does? Is Bill above the Moral norm... or let's just f.... morality all together!! BUT then we'd be no different to the Bush Admin.

[niyad]

76. my dear young man, you really need to get yourself laid, and forget about

the fact that Pres. Clinton has gotten more sex than you.

by the way, just how many scandals have there been about Pres. Clinton since his two terms expired? are you salivating at the prospect of more juicy little tidbits?

seriously, you sound like someone whose interest in other people's sex lives is deeply unhealthy.

for the record, WHY are you not concerned about the immorality of the current squatter in the people's house and the vast numbers of people who are DYING because of it? and I notice you aren't saying anything about the little affair between the current occupant and his secretary of state (who openly refers to him as "my husband")

to say the least, your priorities are a bit skewed.

I must say, I hope you got your attention-junkie fix for the day.

still wondering WHY you are an ex-pat.

[MyNameGoesHere]

33. Well i did not know God had come back to earth. So God why won't you forgive Clenis?

You are pretty much a MORAN aren't you?

[jobycom]

35. I'd vote for him tomorrow if he were eligible. He needs forgiveness from his wife, maybe, but it's

no one else's business. Never was, never will be.

[WinkyDink]

37. "He was a fantastic President," .... Yeah, God forbid we ever experience THAT again.

[LostinVA]

40. Your concern is duly noted

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Trolling, trolling, trolling...

Keep them doggies trolling...

[aquarius dawning]

50. keep trollin, trollin, trollin, trollin,

tell me what you're gonna do now.

[niyad]

53. you still haven't answered whether ALL former presidents should completely disappear,

or just clinton? and explain your answer.

once again, what the F*** business is it of yours to decide what goes on in someone's marriage?

oh, I get it, things are a bit slow on the other site today, eh?

[atal]

61. Ofcourse they shouldn't...

It's a major "electability" issue.... I personally feel the presence of Bill repulses many Republicans, that would otherwise be drawn to vote Democratic.

We shouldn't shove his past immorality under the table.

I'm more concerned about a return...

[niyad]

64. you really do have a problem with clinton's penis, don't you? why? because it wasn't

pointed at you?

honestly, this is the kind of drivel I expect from the fundies, and it is disgusting from them.

[BlueIdaho]

54. Billy

uses up all the oxygen everywhere he goes - he has an ego the size of a Thanksgiving parade balloon and it takes me people to handle him than say... Scoobie Doo. How many times has he overshadowed HRC's message on the campaign trail? Now you want that level of distraction in the White House? You want the president trying to explain the crazy shenanigans of the first laddie week in and week out? Think it won't happen? Think again - the republicans will make sure it happens - week in, week out.

Edit for typo - beware the spelling police!

[niyad]

56. still waiting for our OP to answer a few questions--should ALL

former presidents disappear from the political scene, or just Pres. Clinton?

WHY are you an ex-pat?


WHY do you think it is your place to forgive Pres. Clinton for his personal transgressions? was he cheating on YOU?

[walldude]

57. I don't want this from the white house:

So vote for the Democratic nominee. Either one is a step up.

[atal]

65. I fully agree

... but which candidate is better? Obama or Clinton. That's the issue.


I've give one more reason not to vote for Clinton: Bill

[walldude]

73. That may be the issue for you

for me it's get rid of the neo-cons, no matter what.


And I prefer Obama, but it has nothing to do with "Bill". If he is your reason for not voting for Hillary then you are just another uninformed voter.

[niyad]

66. thank you

[Mezzo]

58. He wouldn't be "First Gentleman". He'd be President Clinton. and *I* want him there. nt

[Texas Hill Country]

59. oh hell... we are now getting silly... that is some trollish bs right there

[Milo_Bloom]

62. What a strange reason for not wanting him in the white house?!

I've got a long list of reasons, none of which involve infidelity or stuff that is none of my business.

NAFTA,
DMCA,
Laying the groundwork for Iraq
Media Consolodation
China Trade
Welfare "reform"
No major steps on Energy

[atal]

69. For Republican would-be Democratic voters

It's a major issue... one more reason not to vote for Clinton.

It's another reason Obama is more Electable compared to Clinton.

[niyad]

72. you really need a hobby.

seriously, just how many repukes do you think would vote democratic, regardless of the candidate?

you sound like you are getting your talking points from limpballs and company, and you really need to play on the other site.

[atal]

74. I think many would

especially after the failures of the current Administration.

[Milo_Bloom]

75. BULL.

The country overwhelmingly took his side in the whole thing and only a very few fringe republicans thought he should have been punished over something that was private.

I agree Obama is more electable, but it has nothing to do with Bill Clinton's affair and everything to do with his policies and her voting record.

[atal]

79. Bill's affair is just one more reason

not to vote for Clinton... it's another negative factor, however small.

[niyad]

81. my dear young man, your obsession with Pres. Clinton's penis is beginning

to be a cause for concern.

go get yourself laid, and quit bringing reichingnut talking points to this board, there's a good lad.

isn't it past your bedtime?

[Milo_Bloom]

82. Its a non-factor.

Any voter turned off by that, wasn't EVER going to vote democratic, no matter who was put, b/c ultimately they are one of those people who believes they should be involved in everyone else's personal lives.


Those aren't democratic voters.

[atal]

95. Assuming it's a non-factor for Democrats

Is it a non-factor for Independents and Republicans that want to switch to the Democratic Party?

Is it a factor as far as electability in a General Election is concerned?

[Milo_Bloom]

96. Yes, it is a non-factor for them as well.

The only people who obsess on this are those who have an obsession with things that aren't their business... those people would NEVER vote for the democratic candidate, even if Jesus had a (D) next to his name.

[atal]

97. I beg to disagree

Much too narrow thinking in my opinion.

[Milo_Bloom]

115. You would be wrong.

Just check out the polls taken during the impeachment AND the fact that the democrats did much better than expected in the election held during that time.

[ieoeja]

92. Well, sure, YOU would come up with a list like that.

But then you're a Democrat. Not that I'm trying to imply anything about the OP.

[Metric System]

80. "With both Obama and McCain you'd get a clean house, but not with Bill."

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?!? There you have it folks, the OP wouldn't mind having McCain as President and thinks there'd be a "clean house." I think this quoted statement is all you need to know about the OP. AND the only people I've seen this fixated on the Clenis are freepers (especially with all of the OP's talk about morality). Just sayin'.

[niyad]

83. think you are absolutely right. most of us are too busy with our own lives and problems

to worry about who is, or isn't, getting laid, or having sex that doesn't include us.

[atal]

88. you missed my point... it's not me that wouldn't mind McCain.

I feel former Repugs drawn to the democratic party after the disastrous Bush years, would switch back and vote for McCain, instead of voting for Clinton.

I'm trying to point another negative that makes Clinton less electable in a general election.

More Americans will cross-over from the Republican Party and vote for Obama than for Clinton.

[kentuck]

84. There's something rather unseemly about those comments...

Yes, Bill Clinton is in the midst of a hot campaign, but he is a Democrat. The Republican flavor of your post is obvious. I suppose you will vote for McCain if Hillary is the nominee??

[atal]

91. When you talk about a candidates electability....

Looking at how Republicans will vote is necessary, wouldn't you agree?

I don't think we should ignore Bills past.

I've already stated, I'd vote for Clinton if she won, but I feel we'd also lose many Republicans that intended to cross-over to the Democratic Party.

[kentuck]

112. "I don't want this man back in the White House..."

This man?? Sounds like an enemy?

[atal]

118. Naaa....

I just wanted something catchy for member to click my link...

[JuniperLea]

98. How many presidents have NOT cheated on their wives?

And why do you care what he does with the Clenis? Why is his cheating so important to you?

:shrug:

Sex is a dumbass reason to hate a president. Seriously. Hate him for NAFTA and I'll support your argument... hate him for any number of things he did as president, but sex? Lame. Lame assed excuse to hate on a president. You should read a little history on the matter.

[LittleClarkie]

100. If she's forgiven him, who am I to contradict her. After all, I'm not married to him

Eh, he's not running.

[atal]

106. He's a big part of the ticket

Else he wouldn't be traveling around the country to speak on her behalf.

[cbayer]

107. Rabid dogs.

[oregonjen]

109. This picture says it all for me...

[crankychatter]

113. NAFTA, CAFTA, War on the Poor, Corporatism, Corruption, Deregulation

I can think of plenty of reasons to despise Bill Clinton

infidelity isn't one of them

[crankychatter]

114. I forgot to add Hillary-care

Entrenchment in "competitive managed care" with mandatory feature and extraordinary penalties

will give the Megapharms, Medical Industry and Big Insurance HUGE WINDFALL PROFITS at our expense

and provide justification to indefinitely delay single payer health insurance which we desperately need

touting that "We already have "universal health care"

Dean had it right and so does Obama...

until we ROOT OUT CORRUPTION, we need a stop gap that has A HOPE OF PASSING, without burdening the working people

I know I know... that was HRC, not Bill... still worthy of mention

If you love your HMO...

[Mass]

116. There are a lot of things I have not forgiven. This one is not mine to forgive.

If Hillary is fine with that, who am I to object.

Now, I have not forgotten him to lose the House in 94 which prevented necessary reforms to be made during the following 6 years (medicare, healthcare, corporate pensions, ...).

[Guava Jelly]

117. I am rooting for Obama but this thread is just wrong.

What it is that happened between Bill, Monica, and Hillary is their business not ours.
I like Bill Clinton.I am not enamored with the campaign they have ran.But I miss him.
I miss having a president that can talk like an adult.

[OzarkDem]

120. Welcome to DU

c'ya later

Back to the basement for you...

[DesertRat]

123. I don't want this man in the White House

[Warren DeMontague]

124. I could give a shit who my President or 1st Spouse is screwing, if they're all consenting adults.

My reasons for not wanting Hillary to be our nominee have zippy shit to do with that.