Is Mr. Green of AAR being Hillary's B*tch?

[hogwyld]

After Randi's commentary, she get's suspended. Ed Schultz loses a radio station in Fl. Who's voices will be silenced next? I guess freedom of speech only applies if you support Her Majesty...

[DJ13]

1. This is the same kind of corporate censorship we always hated the GOP for

But since its Hillary, you have to know that her supporters wont see it that way.

Much as the sheep in the GOP saw nothing wrong with it when their party got a Regan docudrama pulled from ABC just before the 2004 GE.

[niyad]

2. how many other candidates in any other election have ever been referred to

as prostitutes, or had the fact that offspring were campaigning been referred to as "pimping out"?

the sheer sexism of some of the commentary against Sen. Clinton and her campaign is disgusting. and the fact that sexism is vehemently denied (oh, no, we don't hate all women, just THIS one) is even more disgusting.

[LSparkle]

4. What's wrong with not liking "just this one woman"?????

We don't all HAVE to like her, y'know ... and it doesn't necessarily say
something about US that we don't; maybe it has something to do with the
way SHE's conducted herself during this campaign.

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10. Fine....

Say you don't like her. Say you disagree with her. Say you don't like her methods.

But seriously, while wearing your Wal-Mart greeter's apron, would you yell that Hillary Clinton & Geraldine Ferraro are "Fuckin' Whores!" ??

Probably not. But if you did, and got suspended or fired, your right to bitch about flew out the window (along with your judgement)

[LSparkle]

18. Randi Rhodes is a talk show host -- her JOB is about OPINIONS ...

The AAR affiliate that sponsored the event had to have known that she's been
leaning Obama recently and has (RIGHTLY, IMHO) criticized HRC on her show.
They knew what they were getting when they agreed to the event, and then were
shocked -- SHOCKED -- when Randi came and did the same thing she does every
day on the air -- let the audience know HOW SHE FEELS. And in a small club,
I think she felt she was free to be a bit racier than she is on the public
airwaves.

This is a pattern in the Clinton campaign -- shut down opposition, first with
people attending her rallies who were wearing Obama t-shirts, and now with
media figures who dare to criticize her. After 8 years of Bush, her campaign
is acting like we're in for just MORE OF THE SAME if she's elected.

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24. You just don't get it

Calling HRC a fucking whore is not the same thing as criticism.

Randi is in a shame spiral, and your excusing inexcusable behavior is not going to help her get better.

:dunce:

[olkaz]

29. Randi was not on the radio.

And when she is, she makes ad hominem attacks all the time. She gets paid for it. Handsomely.

So.. how is this different?

Remember; She wasn't on the radio and she does this sort of thing even to her callers all the time.

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34. She sure wasn't

She was at an AAR event, and she came unglued. She said things that were not snarky or humorous, just flat ugly.

[olkaz]

35. She's ugly on the air all the time.

And in real life (cough, cough).

I **loathe** Randi, but I just cannot see the issue here. She's paid to be like this.

What she said was not any more offensive than her going on an ad hominem tirade against a caller.

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36. I guess we will have to agree to disagree

She is paid to be funny, get people to turn on their radios, and keep people listening over the commercial breaks. Thats what she is paid for.

Maybe right-wing radio needs vicious and ugly personal attacks to get people to listen in, but I would think progressive people wouldn't have the same "Pavlov's Dog" effect.

Maybe she just likes the attention and there wasn't enough time for Ketal One.



:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer: :nuke:

[olkaz]

37. "Maybe she just likes the attention"

That is for sure.

I would be happy to see Randi go, but not for something like this.

Why do so many people listen to her? She is by far the weakest of the AA personalities. I have never understood that.

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38. I didn't know that many listened anymore!

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

Seriously, I liked her when she was on in Dallas, and I tried to listen to her when I was traveling. But 910 got shut down in DFW. KOKE in Austin. etc...

I thought if people listened, they kept your format.

[tridim]

5. Prostitute is a completely different word than whore. nt

[PoliticalAmazon]

16. Better to say she HRC has whored her Senate position...

...which describes her actions but doesn't make it a personal attack.

[tridim]

23. That works on a message board, but not so well in a standup routine.

[LSparkle]

3. No doubt ... I think he's been pretty open in his support of her

I'm losing respect for AAR ... while my respect for Jones Radio Network has increased.
Jones syndicates Bill Press, Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller -- of those 3, Ed and Steph
are both VERY vocal in their support of Obama (and criticize HRC frequently), while
Press claims to be "neutral" but is a closet HillShill. At least Jones lets its hosts
voice their opinions -- which is what talk radio is ALL ABOUT, BTW -- whereas it seems
like AAR is sending a not-so-subtle signal that some things are "verboten."

[hogwyld]

6. Excellent point that seems to be forgotten

By many here is that these talk shows are opinion based.

[ayak9]

7. Mark Greene is an a##hole

When he comes on cable news, it makes me cringe that I am a premium member of AAR. He is a shameless apologist for the Clintons.

OTOH, Randi is my favorite listen on talk radio, although I also like Ed Schultz and wondered why WINZ no longer carries him.

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15. Welcome to DU!

You got here just in time!!!

And if it wasn't for Green....Randi Rhodes would not have a job. (At least not a nationally-syndicated radio show :))

[Texas Hill Country]

8. oh please, Obama had Carville booted off CNN... shut up with this crap.

[easy_b94]

12. Carville got Carville booted off CNN

[Texas Hill Country]

21. and randi got randi booted off AAR... but Carville was booted at the request of Obama.

[easy_b94]

26. Agree to disagree

[blm]

30. No, he didn't - Carville only had to be IDENTIFIED as a Clinton supporter. Try accuracy

for a change, eh?

[Mezzo]

42. as long as YOU don't blame Hillary because SOMEONE ELSE called her a whore, RR should be fired. nt

[blm]

43. I was correcting a falsehood about Obama - he didn't force Carville out - he asked he be IDENTIFIED

which is a big focking difference than being FIRED which Carville most certainly was NOT.

[easy_b94]

9. Yeah I said the same thing in another post

[TomInTib]

11. "Fucking whore" or "nappy-headed hoes"?

Talking shit like that on the public airwaves will get ones ass in trouble.

That Rhodes woman surely knows better.

[MadBadger]

17. She wasnt doing this on the radio though, she was at a different event last month

[TomInTib]

31. Oh.... nevermind.

Still a bone-headed stunt.

Hell, I thought she said it on-air.

I hope she was just drunk and not plain stupid.

[phrigndumass]

25. It was at a stand-up comedy routine in a club

:hi:

[PoliticalAmazon]

13. Wrong to Suspend RR for Off-Air Comments, but because she censors her callers...

...she really doesn't have the moral authority to complain about it.

I quit listening to RR a year or so ago. I just could not take her screaming fits she'd launch into if a caller disagreed with her and would not back down and say she is right. She would often scream and then disconnect the caller.

I think it is wrong for AAR's censorship of Rhodes, but it might be instructional for her to be on the other end of the power gradient doing the censoring.

[phrigndumass]

14. It's not like Randi Rhodes held a press conference to say all this ...

It was a comedy routine, albeit shock comedy. Think Lisa Lampanelli. Randi's only real mistake is that she's not that good at stand-up comedy, although she had the room laughing.

[11cents]

19. Let's analyze!

Randi Rhodes has been clearly anti-Clinton on her radio show for weeks and months.

She didn't get suspended.

She called Hillary Clinton a big whore in a speech.

She did get suspended.

I'd say that she got suspended because she called Hillary Clinton a big whore, and not because Green is being anyone's bitch/cunt/whore or any other disgusting female-like thing.

[jconner27]

20. Look on the bright side

You still have 98% of the media still whoring for Obama.

[paulk]

22. actually, Mr. Green is discovering that a whole lot of people

who support Hillary Clinton have stopped listening to AAR because of it's obvious anti-Hillary bias.

same goes for Ed Schultz.

It's the marketplace at work and freedom of speech doesn't apply.

You knew that, right?

[easy_b94]

28. I like Ed and Ed IS NOT AAR

[paulk]

33. I didn't say he was....

but he's having problems for the same reasons. His bias is turning a lot of people off, and they're not listening to his show anymore. That means declining revenue for the station and that means they hire someone else.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

27. she's lucky to just be suspended, she went over the line

as an Obama supporter, I don't like to see this kind of attack.

I like Randi, and I'm glad that she wasn't fired, I think she is too talented
to dismiss.

But we don't want this sort of name calling going on over the airwaves,
I know Obama has wanted to stick with facts and issues.

Gov Bill Richardson has asked that we eschew the nasty attacks.

[otohara]

32. Don't Make Me Laugh "Commentary"

that was no commentary that Randi Rhodes spewed!

Let me say this like Randi Rhodes would say it, "she behaved like a stupid fucking idiot"

Mark Green had no choice but do do something. She's lucky she wasn't fired and don't be surprised if that's what they eventually do.

[hogwyld]

40. But from what I understand

She wasn't even on air. So he can also regulate what she says out of the office? BTW, I don't agree with the "whore" namecalling, but each person's opinion is their own.

[otohara]

44. Many Reasons In This Case

it was a radio sponsored event, payed for by AAR and the local station in San Francisco. There's clauses in air-personalities contract about behavior outside the station. These people represent their product 24/7. There might have been station clients there too. This isn't going away and every time something like this happens, women run over to Hillary in large numbers because this is another case of the librul media trying to force her out of the race.

[Political Heretic]

39. Um, her comments were way over the line, for an AAR event where she represented the company

[cooolandrew]

41. True really, even Bush for all his faults could accept people's right to critique him.

[FedoraLV]

45. This was an event run by a local station

Not AAR. According to the station manager only 1 or 2 people (of the more than 500) present complained:

1) maybe, like Rev. Wright, this sounds different if you listen to Randi's entire statement in context
(rather than running with the 2 words you find offensive)

2) this is getting blown up now by folks with ulterior motives

Listen to the excerpt again -- the audience is laughing and cheering. Not a boo to be heard.

When Randi speaks out against someone she usually has a lot of reasons and a lot of research to back her up (see her success in the CACI lawsuit) ... I notice the You Tube clip (posted by someone with a Clinton avatar) lacks exactly the context and reasons for Randi's words - there's no lead up and no follow up. I've listened to Randi for a long time: her research is always in one of the two. Cutting them distorts what she is saying.

-FedoraLV

[Raejeanowl]

50. What?

Frankly, this is getting soft-pedaled by apologists, and when were two unacceptable words NOT ENOUGH? Freedom of speech doesn't rationalize plain old bad behavior, and an approving audience enabling the bad behavior counts for diddly-squat.

How the hell do you put calling a presidential candidate a "fucking whore" in context? She has reasons and research to back her up; oh really-was Hillary picked up in a sting operation on the strip or something and she has the police blotter to prove it?

If Randi wanted to suggest Clinton was taking dirty money, pandering, or selling her soul, then that should have been said and the evidence delivered in preference to the degrading scatological terms used. I don't care what she said before or after, not that anything substantive could have been cited under the stand up-comedy circumstances, anyway. Do grow up and stop orally servicing the Obama zeitgeist.

[totodeinhere]

46. Anyone who has a talk show and makes public appearances is...

going to eventually say something that they shouldn't. If you talk for a living five days a week something is eventually going to happen. But there are some people who disagree with Randi who have been swooping over her just waiting for the least little thing that she might say so that they can have an excuse to try to get rid of her. That's just wrong. I hope that her suspension is a short one.

[gort]

47. All I can think to say is:

GOD DAMN AIR AMERICA!

[tpsbmam]

48. Mike Malloy: "It's not what she said, it's who she said it about." n/t

[kevinmc]

49. Is Mr. Green of AAR being Hillary's B*tch? Yes ... Yes he is .....

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