Who pushed Hillary Clinton into running, or what was the reason she ran?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

I don't know the history of this, which is why I ask. I also don't know who or what caused Barack Obama to run. Does anyone know the history behind how these two candidates came to run for nominee? Did someone encourage them? Is there such a thing as a history that explains why any candidate runs for office, or that can track how a candidate ends up getting there? (I don't know if my question makes sense... anyway, there it is).

[mudesi]

1. She has been planning this since her Senate run

Her intention was always to run for president one day. She planned to run in 2008 way back in 2004 after Bush's disastrous war. She threw Kerry under the bus in order to solidify an easy win for 2008.

She did not anticipate Obama.

[LakeSamish706]

2. Yep, it's been a plan in place for a long time... So one can understand why she is fighting...

so hard, but not the dirty crap at all.

[cui bono]

3. What did she do to Kerry? n/t

[mudesi]

5. One example

There are others, but this is the best one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. Interesting! Why has Hillary Clinton been doing this? Is it to win, or is she conservative? nt

[VolcanoJen]

27. That one just plain pisses me off.

Almost two years later, and I'm still pissed that McCain defended Kerry but Clinton jumped all over his shit. Knowing all we know now, we can only guess that she was anticipating another Kerry run at the presidency in '08.

Bad haircut too, but that's neither here nor there. :-)

[Cha]

9. Not too many of us anticipated..

:patriot:And along came Obama!:patriot: US has been under some heavy karmic dues lately and now we have a chance to do some good.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. Thanks. Wonder what got Obama to run. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

30. In answer to this... I've seen a couple articles with an explanation

but here is one that is interesting from NPR:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16364560

[SoCalDem]

26. I think it's penance from Bill for the public humiliation

he put her through..and of course it;s a 3rd term for him

[Yael]

4. She told Katie Couric:

Something about inevitability...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xGsX-R_ZTQ (30 Seconds)

[Cha]

11. Big Mistake.

Arrogant too.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. "No I haven't" :-) That's ambition for sure nt

[apocalypsehow]

23. Good Lord, I'd never seen that clip before.

Pure. Unadulterated. Arrogance.

:thumbsdown:

And the HRC boosters wonder, whine, & wail about why we refer to her as a "Queen" who is lately acting as if her entitled "coronation" is being spoiled by an undeserving upstart (which is precisely how she is acting). They should watch that clip!

[bowens43]

6. for hillary it was ego and blind ambition.

[Orangepeel]

8. nobody can run for president without a huge ego and a great deal of ambition

Nobody runs for president out of altruism. Anybody who thinks that they are the best person to be president out of all the other people in the country necessarily has a huge ego and is very ambitious. That's just the way it is.

[Cha]

No nothing is "just the way it is"...

there's always exceptions to any rule.

[Orangepeel]

13. except the rule that there are exceptions to any rule?

I'm sticking with my opinion. I do think that it is possible for people to channel ego and ambition into good works, but I don't think that anyone can run for president without a huge ego and a great deal of ambition, at least not with any degree of success.

[Cha]

14. I'm not trying to change your mind..

that's just been my experience:)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. I agree :) nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. Ambition is a huge part of running nt

[Just-plain-Kathy]

7. Sarah, you asked a very good question.

In my opinion, knowing that a lot of Bill Clintons policies helped lay the foundation for the mess were in today; like his Iraqi Liberation Act, his Telecommunications Act, NAFTA, Rendition, advising our senate on their IWR vote and so on. ...I could only guess a deal was made. Bill helped the neo-cons and the Bilderberg Group (AKA corprorate America), they in return gave Hillary the chance to go down in history books as the first female United States president.

I’ve said this here before but I thinks it’s worth repeating, I can’t believe the corporatists who stole the election for Junior in ’00 and ’04 would be willing to give up their power so easily.

My tinfoil hat theory is...BushCo took two corporate candidates (Hillary and McCain) and promised them each the election. I think they’re using McCain, heck, he may even know he’s being used. ... I think their plan is to have a democrat to win (this way no one could blame the GOP for steeling elections). ...I think the neo-con bigots feel that no matter how polarizing Hillary could be, it would be believable that she could win the primaries racing against a black man.

I believe if we were to have an honest election, Obama would win hands down. I know I voted for him in the primaries. ...I’m just afraid now that Hillary has made it impossible for anyone to believe she could ever win. I think they’ll give the race to McCain. The MSM will explain McCain’s surprise victory on race issues or McCain’s military background.

I think we have to support Obama loudly, we can't let them stell this election.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. I'm not fond of the fact that Bill Clinton was conservative nt

[KittyWampus]

10. I think she always planned on running after Bill. That's why she put up with his fucking around.

Can you imagine the bitterness of losing after putting up with so much crap from your husband?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. You think? nt

[Medusa]

12. She's wanted this for a long, long, long time

and I think Bill thinks he "owes" it to her for all the shit he's put her through. So we all have to suffer accordingly if she's the nominee.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. There's no doubt that she's very ambitious. nt

[EffieBlack]

24. So are Obama, McCain, and Edwards and Biden and Kucinich and just about every other

politician who ever runs for president.

[paulk]

25. yes, a woman should know her place

wanting to be President?

God forbid.


Riding coattails, huh?


You. Post. Shit.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

28. I think in the beginning the Clintons were all about changing the world and making history.

Didn't they at a time talk about channeling dead presidents? Talking to Thomas Jefferson or something?

I think during Bill's first term in office he was very good, but than in his second term, he sided up with the neo-cons. I often wonder if they had more dirt on him than Monica. ...Or, maybe the neo-cons offered him more power and money. Either way he made some bad decisions.

[karynnj]

29. I think it was Hillary and Eleanor Roosevelt

Here is something unusual a thoughtful interesting Maureen Dowd column! (This shows the 1990s Dowd as nowhere near the "every line is snark" Dowd of 2008) It refers to the column that HRC wrote where she spoke of "talking" to Roosevelt. I can't find that column.

The Dowd piece actually gave HRC good advice - advising her to do as ER did when she disagreed with her husband - reach for the pen and write it. If HRC really were against NAFTA and other Clinton decisions - image had she done this.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/07/04/reviews/990704.704dowdt.html?_r=1&oref=slogin