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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:05 AM
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The Shoot Watermelons, Don’t They? The Right Wing Conspiracy Lives
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:33 AM by McCamy Taylor
Dan Burton Rep. (R) Indiana. As Chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, Burton was turned loose on Clinton the same way that the Republican Party once turned Joe McCarthy loose on the nation’s Democratic Party—for the same reason, to achieve total control of both executive and legislative branches in Washington.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/12/cov_22newsa4.html

In 1995, he wrote Clinton, demanding to know whether taxpayers were footing the cost of stationery and postage for the fan club dedicated to Socks, the first cat. (They were not.)


In May, Burton released transcripts of former Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell's prison conversations, but selectively edited out comments suggesting that the first lady was innocent of Whitewater charges.


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/22/burton/

WASHINGTON (April 22) -- The chairman of the House committee investigating alleged Democratic fund-raising abuses is under fire for what his staff says was just "straight talk."
Last week Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) described President Bill Clinton as a "scumbag" during a session with the editorial board of the Indianapolis Star.


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10480.html
Burton handed out subpoenas like candy. He subpoenaed 141 different Clintonites. He held hearings — for 10 days — on the Clintons’ Christmas card list. In one instance, Burton was so reckless, he subpoenaed the wrong man (looking for someone with a similar name). In another instance, Burton fired a bullet into a “head-like object” — reportedly a melon — in his backyard to test the theory that former White House counsel Vincent Foster was murdered (this from the man who is now warning against “sensational disclosures”).


Burton did not stop, even after Clinton was out of office. From Time June, 2001, Burton was still launching new Clinton investigations, including Clinton’s pardons even though he had admitted publicly that he had no power under the law to investigate presidential pardons. Some people do not need an excuse to investigate the Clintons. For some people the fact that they are the Clintons is its own excuse to question everything they do.

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/lawandorder/article/0,9565,132243,00.html

I can see why anyone would want to model themselves after Dan Burton. Yessiree, he sure made a fine name for himself back in the 1990s. Shooting watermelons is great sport.

Tim Griffin counsel on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, helped Rep. Dan Burton with his investigations of the Clintons before going to do oppo research for the RNC against Gore and Kerry and then becoming one of Rove’s political federal attorney appointees and would be working in Arkansas, indicting people at this very moment if not for the work of the Democratic Congress.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Arkansas_Senator_happy_to_see_top_0530.html
Griffin worked as counsel on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee during the Clinton administration, as his boss, Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN), issued over a thousand subpoenas to Clinton administration officials.


Or, to be more accurate
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10480.html
The Government Reform Committee is the primary investigative committee in the House of Representatives. During the Clinton Administration, the chairman of this Committee unilaterally issued over 1,000 subpoenas to investigate allegations of misconduct involving the Clinton Administration and the Democratic Party. The Committee issued 1,089 subpoenas during the six years that Dan Burton served as chairman from 1997 through 2002. During this period, 1,052 of the Committee’s subpoenas - 97% - targeted officials of the Clinton Administration and the Democratic Party; only 11 subpoenas related to allegations of Republican abuses. (emphasis added)


That is a lot of subpoenas. I guess you can never be too careful when you are dealing with the Clintons. You can not leave a single stone---or tax return or donor list or appointment book--- unturned.

Barbara Comstock was Chief Investigator for Representative Dan Burton (R-Ind.) and later did oppo research for the RNC during the 2000 and 2004 campaigns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Comstock
In his book Blinded by the Right, formerly conservative journalist David Brock discusses Comstock's Whitewater investigative efforts against the Clintons, characterized as "almost unhinged" by other critics.<6> Brock notes that Comstock would regularly make late-night telephone calls with "the latest tidbit she had dug up in the thousands and thousands of pages of administration records she pored through frantically," and visited Brock to "watch the rerun of a dreadfully dull Whitewater hearing she had sat through all day."<5> To Brooks, Comstock seemed "especially intent on proving that Hillary had lied about her role" in Travelgate.


Doesn’t everyone want to prove that Hillary is a liar? This is like the Holy Grail of politics.

Barbara Olsen Wife of Ted Olsen, conservative commentator, died on 9/11.

http://www.slate.com/id/1008074/
"Look at Bill Clinton's mother, as opposed to George W.'s mother. Is your mother a barfly who gets used by men? Or is your mother a strong woman who demanded respect for her ideas and always received it?"


Because the Clintons are the kind of people who make you just naturally want to put down their female relatives by implying that they are prostitutes, drunkards and sluts.

The Current Crop of Strategists

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/26/hillary/index1.html

Read about how they plan to attack Hillary (if she is the nominee) for being 1)untruthful, 2)stealing the Democratic nomination from Obama with Superdelegates, and by 3) Bringing up the Clinton sleaze factor that Burton and friends worked so hard to fix in the public mind in the 1990s.

Hmmm. This strategy looks familiar. Seems like I have seen all these topics in the press for the last four weeks or so and we are not even in the general election yet. What could that mean? Probably that the RNC is playing "early bird gets the worm." We know that Obama would never stoop to dirty tricks like this. Good thing that Obama supporters like the self styled political guru Keith Olbermann and his pals at Huffington Post are not handicapping Hillary for the general by doing the RNC’s work for them, isn’t it? Maybe in some sick attempt to make her unelectable in the general if they are smart (so that the Super delegates will not dare vote for her) or some dumb effort to make her unelectable in the primary if they are simply naive. I mean the way that they go on about how she handicapped Obama with her experience remarks you know that they would never, ever say or do anything to weaken someone who still has a chance at the nomination. It would be unDemocratic. Downright Republican.

Oops, one more. David Bossie
"It's a science to know where to look, what to look for, and how to look for it," David Bossie told me recently. Bossie, who was forced off the Burton Committee for being too aggressive---


WTF? He doctored the Hubbell prison tapes. Sort of like some other things have been doctored, you know Hillary's 60 Minutes interview that was doctored so convincingly by Matt Drudge that professional news people fell for it or at least claimed they did. I noticed Tweety could not work up a convincing lie. He hates to look dumb. Matthews had to say that it looked phony.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200406/green
---now the president of the conservative organization Citizens United and an independent researcher, though no less committed to the cause. When I visited his Capitol Hill townhouse not long ago, he was surrounded by stacks of Kerry files, busily scrutinizing Kerry contributors' business dealings for a forthcoming book.
Kerry was clearly not Bossie's first choice of nominee. In his basement he proudly showed me dozens, perhaps hundreds, of boxes marked "HILLARY: WHITEWATER" or "HILLARY: TRAVELGATE." He called them the "Sierra Madre of Hillary oppo," regretfully adding that what could have been "ready to roll in twenty-four hours" will now have to wait until 2008.


Makes you wonder whom he is working for right now. McCain and the RNC I am guessing. We could make that a little more clear at DU by not cheering on his efforts.


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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:13 AM
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1. Unfortunately,
Hillary is dishonest...all by herself. So we have learned during this campaign. The problem with the both of the Clintons historically has been that they have kept providing fodder which the sleaze machine was happy to amplify. The "there" is there--both the sleaze machine and the sleaze.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:01 PM
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17. I wish I could recommend this post
"The problem with the both of the Clintons historically has been that they have kept providing fodder which the sleaze machine was happy to amplify.'

In Bill's memoirs he says he did what he did with Monica "because he could" - they don't need the vast right wing conspiracy to create their sleaze, they do a fine job of sleaze making all by themselves.

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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:05 AM
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2. Burton is the Scum of the Earth, But......
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 05:09 AM by fingrpik
..my problem with Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with the frivolous charges and slanderous accusations so cynically wielded by Burton and his ilk. The problem I have with Hillary is, I feel, legitimate and serious.
You see, in January, 2003 I traveled to Washington D.C. to participate in the anti-war protest. Tens of millions of ordinary citizens around the world recognized early on that a preventive invasion of Iraq would be immoral, illegal and catastrophic. I have little sympathy for those (including Senator Clinton) who now claim they were somehow misled into supporting the war. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that we were being fed a pack of lies.
I am not a "Clinton-hater". This has nothing to do with gender, personality or personal prejudices. I simply cannot enthusiastically support any Presidential candidate who, at the critical moment, displayed such gullibility and/or poor judgment.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:50 AM
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3. Wasn't Burton one of the hypocrites who confessed to siring a child out of wedlock
as he was slamming Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky affair?

I don't know how some of these idiots can look at themselves in the mirror and take themselves seriously.

If integrity was cotton, we couldn't get enough out of Dan Burton to make a T-shirt for a piss-ant.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:53 AM
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4. the Clintons seem to be embracing those that attacked them in the 90s
now. take Scaife and Fox News as examples.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:03 AM
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5. Better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:03 PM
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18. That was LBJ's response
when asked why he wouldn't fire Gay Edgar Hoover.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:04 AM
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6. The damage to our party from the anti-Clinton smears of the 90s is visible every day at DU.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 06:08 AM by Perry Logan
Most young Americans were weaned on lies about the Clintons. Many of them hate and despise the Clintons, entirely because of things the Right made up about them. What a breathtaking victory for the Republican smear machine!
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:53 AM
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8. Well said Perry.
:toast: :yourock:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:34 AM
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9. so much for her be able to fight them.
she has lost quite spectacularly. as you so kindly JUST pointed out.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:38 AM
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10. Did you ever wonder if the Clintons had any role in their own smearing?
I mean, when I look back at the smears I remember, I see about 50% lies and 50% truths.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:49 AM
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11. The Republican smear machine had help from the Clintons
The made-up crap wouldn't have been quite as believable had the Clintons not been shown to be untrustworthy - and Hillary is still doing it, with the most recent example being her completely fabricated story about landing in Bosnia.

If Hillary gets the nomination, the 3-pronged attack that was listed in the OP will be very effective against her - attack her for stealing the nomination via superdelegates, attack her for being a lair, and remind people of the scandal-plagued days of the 1990s.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:22 AM
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7. History will judge BO and his campaign harshly for aligning with these abuses
Certainly many Democrats see this truth.
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BryMan Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:53 PM
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16. What abuses?
I haven't seen anything from BO or his campaign that is close to the kind of things the GOP and it's mouthpieces did back in the 90's to them.

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:45 AM
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13. I see where you are with this.
I agree that the Clintons were attacked in ways that were very illegal and that this was more a persecution than a prosecution. I spent the better part of the 90's defending the Clintons from all manner of stupid attacks, though I was angry at their support for the WTO, NAFTA, Welfare (de)form, and generally folding to the Contract on America.

However:

A:
This does not affect who I think should be (or should have been) the presidential nominee. For purely policy reasons I supported Kucinich first, and then Edwards, finally settling for Obama as a last choice.

B:
I find it ironic, considering the absurd investagatory harrassment and illegalities engaged in by Starr and other "investagators," with all of Bushs ACTUAL illegal actions, that Senator Clinton has never called on the house to initiate impeachment proceedings. Of course Obama's FAILURE to do so also annoys me to no end.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:35 PM
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14. If Hillary suggested it the press would immediately call it revenge for the 1990s
The way that they dismiss her whenever she tries to bring up the issue of media bias.

If Obama were to bring it up, people would assume that he is doing it for selfless motives---however, it would make him a political target like the Clintons, so he may be afraid to do it.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:06 PM
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15. Ah
So no one should bring it up...

This is going to be Iran/contra all over again. 10 years from now we are going to wonder how the American electorate could put in another administration connected to the Neo-cons and the criminal conservative establishment. Books will be written about how revolutionary, or outside the box, the Neo-new-paleo-retro-Cons are. Pundits will make rationalizations and spin at about 800 rpm and the public will get dizzy, accept "conventional wisdom" and go to sleep.

The party I vote for is full of wonkish sellouts that feign at being politically and tactically astute but end up being complete morons.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:10 PM
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19. I like your language
All of us should always use the words Republican and criminal in close proximity to each other. Since Republicans are wont to complain about their tax dollars being wasted, a good jumping off point might be the $9 billion in cash missing in Iraq. That much cash in one place can be seen from the Moon, and it's disappeared.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:11 PM
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20. IF Obama is unelectable because of Wright
should we just eat that and lose again? What's wrong with asking that question? Is it racist to ask if the GOP is going to scare America into thinking Obama is some crazy Muslim with a radical agenda? Of course they're going to do that and I have real money to bet on it. McCain hired Bush's "Willie Horton" team to run his campaign. What do YOU think this campaign will be about? It's going to be about fear.

C'mon, is this your first day in politics?




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