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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:05 AM
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Those of you who want Randi Rhodes back on the air...
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:07 AM by backscatter712
http://www.airamerica.com/contact

If you believe in free speech. If you think that calling politicians whores is insufficient cause for suspension or dismissal. If you think that our progressive voices on radio should feel free to speak freely about their views.

You know what to do...
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:07 AM
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1. Oh thank you
I was just about to look this information up. I'll try to keep this kicked.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:09 AM
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2. Yes, I was thrilled to learn her suspension will be indefinite..

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Royal Oak Rog Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #2
19. that's just stupid
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 AM by Royal Oak Rog
do you belong on a democratic board if you say things that go against freedom of speech? Oh wait you must be a fan of the candidate who has now tried to smear and racially bait the eventual Democratic nominee, let's just have a rule; you can only smear and denounce candidates if you use surogates like Faux News, like Hillary does.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #2
34. What's wrong with you Hillary people - free speech is there to protect speech that we find
offensive. I don't want people fired because they say something negative about someone or something I like -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? is the lynchpin of freedom of speech.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. This has nothing to do with free speech
Randi is still free to say whatever she wants to--her right to free speech has in no way been infringed. What she does not have a right to is a paycheck. If she does or says things that her employer does not like, they are free to stop paying her. The idea that a person has a right to get paid to say shit that the person paying them finds offensive is ridiculous on its face.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. They weren't paying for the gig.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. Doesn't matter
A public figure like Randi Rhodes can damage her employer with off air comments just as easily as she can with on air comments.
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. oh so she is a public
person who has less rights than a private company?

I do do not want to live in your country
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Are you daft? This has absolutley NOTHING to do with rights or free speech
It has to do with her employer. What part of that do you people not understand?

If I stand up and say one of my clients sucks, my firm has the right (and probably the obligation) to fire me.

That's the country you live in.

Bake
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. did I Insult you?
and hurl perjoratives at you?

Who are you to comment on my mental state?

I really don't want to live in your country, now.

Public figures are fair game. Look at all the insults being thrown at the candidates.

Get a grip yourself
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #71
136. Again, we're not talking about libel. We're talking about an employer
who fired an employee. Nothing more.

Bake
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #136
143. funny how
all these years of speaking out against Bush never got her fired. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOUR CANDIDATE???
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #65
109. Clients?
If client here you mean 960 green then your wrong. That station supports Randi Rhodes.

Who the heck are you Henry Ford?
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #62
72. What is so hard to understand?
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM by Nederland
She has a right to SAY whatever to she wants.

She had that right a week ago, she still has that right today.

She does not have a right to get PAID to say whatever she wants.

She lost her JOB, not her RIGHTS.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:41 AM
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111. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #111
125. I can't find a "Spring Randi from Jail" fund anywhere!!!
Please help me find it!!!

I can't believe that they would throw her in jail for political speech. I thought we had the first ammendment rights! We need to get organized. We need to march on Manhatten! It is time to activate the phone tree.

Oh...what? You mean she just got suspended for embarassing her employer? WTF? I will send a Mrs. Field's cookie basket.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #72
122. You will NEVER get your point across to some in this forum.
You see, she said these things about Senator Clinton, not Senator Obama.

If it had been the other way around, and she had called him and perhaps Governor Patrick Fing N*****s, this board would have absolutely EXPLODED with calls for her to be banished from the country...not just the air-waves.


I will, of course, now be told that n***** is a disgusting insult, (which it most certainly is) but that whore is just a word, and women should shut up and sit down anyway, and stop pretending to be victims.


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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #122
138. it's not about the level of disgust
The thing about the n-word is that it is used on a black person simply because of the color of their skin. The thing about the w-word is that not all women are prostitutes. Like the word a$$hole, it is an insult based on certain behaviours (or should be) - the act of selling your body, your integrity, your principles. etc. for either money, fame or power. As such, it is a word that is also applied to males, for example, by the Horse - MediaWhoresOnline.

Secondly, if people are threatened with losing their jobs for things they say outside of work, then speech isn't very free is it?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Randi was hired by AAR to express her political opinions.
They then suspended her went she expressed her political opinions. Whats wrong with this picture?

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #63
73. Nothing is wrong with this picture
AAR is her employer.

AAR decided that they no longer wanted to employ her.

Ask yourself a simple question:

Does AAR have a right to chose its employees? If, for example, one of AAR hosts suddenly exercised their constitutionally guaranteed right to become a right wing wacko, would AAR be powerless to stop them from broadcasting? Would AAR be forced to continue to subsidize speech that it plainly does not agree with?

The legal fact of the matter is simple: AAR has the right to spend its money however it sees fit. It has no obligation to pay anyone anything if it chooses not to.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. People are being fired because they lean D/Progressive/Liberal...
from private companies. I just saw this in another thread, a female employee was discharged because she had an "Impeach bush" sticker on her car.

So now, if a company can fire you because you have a particular political point of view, this is acceptable?

In the case of RR, this was part of a show that had gone on for months, w/o the slightest flicker of concern, but suddenly, they, (AA management) not only taped the show, but made it available for public viewing, are suddenly not to be held accountable for their pretty foul notion of fairness.

If I were to call anyone a "whore", it would have to be the people who manage AA, not the people who do their bidding, after all, they make a point or profit from it.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. Answer the question
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:43 PM by Nederland
I'll ask it again: If one of AAR's hosts suddenly exercised their constitutionally guaranteed right to become a right wing wacko, would AAR be powerless to stop them from broadcasting? Would AAR be forced to continue to subsidize speech that it plainly does not agree with?

Don't change the subject, answer the question.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. Depends on the contract that was signed...
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 04:47 PM by rasputin1952
AA can fire anyone they want, for whatever reason that might be covered in the contract, but that is a hypothetical.

Fact is, in this case, they are "punishing" someone for a "slight" that they have been more than happy to encourage in the past.

So did AA management have a "slide to the right?" They are the guilty party here. You can't tell someone that it is fine to do something, then change the rules after an "offense" that was not an offense a week earlier. While this is not "ex post facto", as in law, it parallels it quite nicely..."this was fine a week ago, but we changed our minds, sorry we didn't tell you, your suspended"...lot's of "moral headway" there.

It shows me more where the corporate minds are, as opposed to anything else.

edited: grammatical error.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #77
113. What's wrong you?
You don't understand.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #113
130. Nothing is wrong with me
I am able to distinguish between getting paid to say something and saying something for free. The latter is protected by the 1st amendment, the former is not.

Apparently the distinction is lost on some people on this thread.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #73
112. If you agree with what happen
to Rhodes then you are unAmerican. This isn't about a simple AAR decided not to employ her.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #63
124. political opinions...
"Fucking Whores" is not a "political" opinion.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. That's what freedom of speech is about - you get to say things your employer doesn't like!
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. Wrong
Your employer has no obligation to fund speech that it can plausibly claim causes it financial harm.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. I don't think AAR was funding the event -- it was an AAR affiliate station.
It's like KTLA in Los Angeles - it picks up some AAR shows but has stuff of its own. It is not owned by AAR.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Doesn't matter
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 04:12 PM by Nederland
If AAR can plausibly claim that it is losing ad revenue because sponsers don't like Randi Rhodes, AAR has every right to fire her. It doesn't matter if her comments were made on some other radio station or some other venue. Hell, it doesn't even have to have anything to do with politics. If a bunch of sponsers get together and say "Randi Rhodes is a funny sounding name and we're pulling our ads because of it", AAR would be justified in firing her. All they need is to plausibly claim that Randi is harming their revenue and they can fire her. A company has no obligation to continue to employ a person that they believe is harming them financially. Period end of story.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. Except Randi is their number 1 host and I for one won't listen to AAR without her.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #74
114. AAR should also prepare to
face the consequences of their actions. To lose liberal and Democratic audiences.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #114
128. maybe Rhodes was already costing AAR "liberal and
Democratic" audiences with her pro-Obama bias. Clinton supporters listen to AAR, too.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #114
129. Yes they should
This may very well turn out to be a boneheaded move by AAR. But, while it may be a bad business decision, it certainly does not infringe on Randi Rhodes freedom of speech as many on this thread have stated. She still has the right to say whatever she wants.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #53
103. yes they were. They paid her airfare and the hotel room. nt
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #103
134. Actually, Randi's expenses were not paid by AAR. She mentioned this on air before the event. n/t
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:28 PM by Garbo 2004
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #45
135. Losing your job for airing criticism of a political candidate
on your own, unpaid by your employer time, is a freedom of speech violation any way you look at it. btw How come we never see you post here except at election times and clearly on the right side of the aisle when you do post?
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lefty from jersey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
75. Free speech?


Randi Rhodes has not been denied her right to free speech. The people looking to make a profit on their radio station could no longer convince sponsors that anyone was listening to Randi Rhodes. Even Obama supporters did not want to hear that venom. Good riddance. Free speech for Randi on her dime on her time.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #75
86. Agreed....well said.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
83. If some one called Michelle Obama a whore you
would freak out. Or if some one called Obama a Republican Uncle Tom you would too. Fee speech doesn't mean that you can call people names with impunity.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. I'd be pissed, but the difference is I wouldn't take her job away from her. n/t
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:30 AM
Response to Reply #34
105. That's because
Clinton people don't believe in that.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. No problem.
Let me give a shameless kick.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:13 AM
Response to Original message
3. Responsible speech
We made Imus go to the woodshed with his nappy head comments, Randi calling two prominent women whores is no different. Free speech yes, saying things that are irresponsible, no.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. Sorry, but some of us believe in free speech.
What Rhodes said is nothing compared to what Imus said.

Some of us want our radio voices to be able to state their opinions without worrying about some pointy-haired asshole pulling the plug because she offended the corporate whores.
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hill_win_2008 Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Both ways?
How could you on one hand say you want free speech, but on the other say that this is nothing like Imus? So was it not free speech what Imus said?
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #12
24. Ho has only one meaning
and that meaning is derogatory slang.

Whore on the other hand is exactly the word she should have used to describe them. They are whores.

whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

and this is not even getting into the "nappy-headed" part of what Imus said.

What is another word that she could have used to decribe a person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain?


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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #24
46. Where is the book burning forum?
Parliament of Whores: A Lone Humorist Attempts to Explain the Entire U.S. Government by P. J. O'Rourke

"What is this oozing behemoth, this fibrous tumor, this monster of power and expense hatched from the simple human desire for civic order?..."



Also,the Chinese know how to handle those who speak out about the state.

Olympics near, China gives activist jail time
The 31/2-year term for Hu Jia was decried as a sign of a pre-Games crackdown on dissent.

By Tim Johnson

McClatchy Newspapers
BEIJING - Like many Chinese, Hu Jia broke into tears when Beijing lost out to Sydney, Australia, for the right to host the 2000 Olympic Games. He was elated a year later when Beijing captured this year's Summer Games.

He will not be able to attend.

A Beijing court yesterday sentenced Hu, 34, a prominent activist, to a prison term of 31/2 years for posting on overseas Web sites five essays critical of aspects of communist rule and for speaking to foreign reporters.
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TriplePlay Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
56. Yes - we have a perfect fit!!!
Usually a strong word like "whore" would be overblown, but with Hillary it fits like a glass slipper.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
116. This had nothing to do with Imus
Where the hell did you get that from? Faux News or MyDD?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #7
22. Either you believe in free speech or you don't
You can't have one rule for those you like and another for those you disagree with.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #22
94. Exactly. Unless there's free speech for everyone, there is free speech for no one. n/t
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #7
25. That's not true...
There is absolutely no difference in a racist remark and a sexist remark. Both are equally hurtful. Many of you just don't get that. You need to GET IT....there would be less hate on this board if that was understood.

She needs to be FIRED!!!
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
47. Whore is not a sexual remark.
There are men whores as well as women whores.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #47
84. Yes it is.
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #84
87. What do you think "whore" means?
http://mw4.m-w.com/dictionary/whore
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hōre; akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer, Latin carus dear — more at charity
Date: before 12th century
1: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3: a venal or unscrupulous person


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whore
whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

Do you really believe she was calling Hillary and Ferraro prostitutes?

or do you think she was calling them people that have compromised principles for personal gain?

Hint: There was nothing sexual in her speech. It is called context.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #25
48. How is it sexist if it came from another female?
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
52. Sharpton has spoken!!!
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #25
117. She does not
Wow look at how unAmerican a Clinton supporter is.

"She needs to be FIRED!!!" What a right wing idiot you are.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
57. How is "fucking whore"
so much better than "nappy-headed ho"?
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. because context is everything
a man can be a fucking whore, too if he is selling out his principles which is what Randi meant by calling Hillary a whore.

All I can say is:

GOD DAMN AIR AMERICA!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
66. If Imus was more offensive, that proves YOUR point.
"YOu want your radio voices to be able to state their opinions?" I bet you were screaming for Imus' head too.

Consistency. The hobgoblin of small minds.

Bake
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WilyWondr Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. Do you own a dictionary?
Learn to use it when you don't know the meaning of a word.


whore (hôr, hr)
n.
1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.



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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Whore - "A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain"
Thanks WilyWondr!

:hi:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 AM
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21. Indeed. Context is everything.
Thanks for pointing that out!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:27 AM
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18. He was on the air for his employer.....
...and they had an absolute right to control his conduct. If he had said if off the air while on his own time and they censored him, I still would have been repulsed by what Imus said ~~ and still consider him a pig ~~ but being progressive and liberal, I sure as hell would NOT have looked to interfere with his right to make a complete ass out of himself and would not have supported his employer censoring him for being a complete asshole. Speech is protected by the First Amendment ~~ it does not matter if it is the garbage that Randi spewed or the asshole statements of Imus. That is the kind of shit we put up with in a free society. Censorship is not something that supports democracy.

Either you support the First Amendment...or you believe in censorship. Because a statement is offensive, that does NOT mean that someone should be punished for making it. I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight with my life to protect your right to say it.

JMHO
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:54 AM
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41. She was not on the air ......
It's a stand up routine- and it offended none of the people who paid to see it.... No one else had to watch that tape - it wasn't presented on the airwaves, etc etc....


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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:01 PM
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44. I agree...
..she was on her own time and what the hell ever she says, AAR has no biz punishing her for it.

Imus was on company time ~~ and they therefore had a right to control what the hell he said.

Big difference, IMO.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:49 PM
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69. Sorry. The 1st Amendment only applies to the State.
The government didn't do shit to Whorandi. She shot off her mouth at fwllow Democrats. Her employer, perhaps concerned that she might, oh, alienate HALF THEIR AUDIENCE, suspended.

Not a free speech issue.

Tell you what. You go to YOUR boss, call him/her a "fucking whore," and see how long you remain employed.

You people crack me up.

Bake
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:28 AM
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20. Respectfully...
The whole point of free speech is to have the ability to say anything to anyone and that includes "irresponsible" statements. The limits to free speech are few and far between - and that's how it should to be. Who decides what is "responsible" speech - you? me? George Bush? Karl Rove? the department of Homeland Security?

I live in the home of the former Arian Nations and as much as I hate those bastards they had as much right to speak as I did. Ironically in the end it was their free speaking that lead the way to their ultimate undoing. I am no fan of vulgar speech but I will defend anyones right to say anything to anyone - this is America.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:32 AM
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27. A-fucking-men!
:applause:

Just like when the ACLU went to court for the Nazis when they wanted to march in Skokie and were denied a permit. Some speech is repulsive as all hell, but it must be allowed. Why? Because that is what democracy is all about.

JMHO
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:16 PM
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61. Respectfully...
You're right to free speech means you can say what you want. Randi can still say whatever she wants. She didn't lose her right to free speech, she lost her job. The fact that she can easily start her own blog and say whatever she wants for practically nothing is proof of the fact that she still has her rights.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:30 AM
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23. All politicians are whores.
If they can dish it out, they should be able to take it
and it wasn't said on the air and it wasn't at an AAR event.
It was a private gig, not an AAR event.

Watch what you say when you aren't at work! You might be next!

How come you support the Thought Police and fascism?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:43 AM
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31. You're the same one who wanted Obama to force YouTube to remove the "Obama Girl" video
You admitted several times in that thread that you favor censorship.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:51 AM
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115. Your stupid
There is a difference. The fact that your trying to mix the two shows your disingenuous agenda. You know like that idiot Ferraro woman who went on Faux News to do the same.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:15 AM
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5. Depends on Who The Politician Is
now if she had called Sen. Obama a big fucking whore, then I would definately contact AAR.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:15 AM
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6. Public officials are open to ridicule and scrutiny. Even GWB accepts that.Her wording was "sell out"
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 AM by cooolandrew
rather than sexism to her own gender. There is no emocracy at all if our officials are beyond critique, as that is monarchy the establishment the fouding fathers fought against.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:23 AM
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13. Comparing this to Imus is also wrong as he clearly meant the word in its orginal form Randi meant
sell out.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 AM
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9. Done....
....while I may not agree with the words she used, I totally support her right to voice her opinion. Her employer punished her for doing this while she was not on the air for them. I would expect more from a progressive radio station.

JMHO
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:21 AM
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10. Did you do the same for Imus?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:23 AM
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14. Imus' comments were racist as well as sexist. Rhodes' were insulting to corporate sell-outs.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM by backscatter712
See the definition of whore earlier in this thread to see the difference between what Imus said and what Rhodes said.

Next idiot that compares Rhodes to Imus gets *plonked*. It's been addressed several times already.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM
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15. Your selected outrage is noted. Plonk to you too.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:27 AM
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17. I wouldn't even bother arguing with ignore
They know there is a difference between Imus and Randi but they refuse to say so. Hell I'm sure some of them thought that what Imus said was funny. I wouldn't doubt it with some of the racist crap some of them have said and with a growing number of them being TS for racist comments. Anyways, letter was sent thanks again.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 AM
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26. Yeah. This isn't about what she said.
This is about silencing a progressive voice. This is about firing a shot across the bow at the other radio hosts. This is about the corporate bigwigs wanting Hillary and using this as an excuse to force Air America hosts to stop advocating for Obama.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
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35. We cannot afford to lose another progressive voice
I'm a Randi fan and I know she is an acquired taste but the bottom line is that she is a progressive voice. :kick:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM
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16. Clinton was also criticized for his promiscuous solicitation of campaign money
This is more about silencing someone than the meaning of what was said.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:34 AM
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29. A true progressive would not stand for this
:kick:
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:33 AM
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28. Done
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:37 AM by nathan hale
K & R.

I happen to agree with her choice of words. And, IF she had said the same thing about Obama, I STILL would agree with her choice of words.

The "sexism" spin is patently absurd. I am embarrassed by those who invoke it.

<Edited to add:> And I support Obama.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:39 AM
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30. Done. God I didn't realize how much I need her daily rants - gets my blood up and makes me feel
alive. And it's not just because she says negative (though truthful) things about Hillary - it's her friggin honesty that I find refreshing. The only other radio personality that comes close is Mike Malloy but I have trouble finding him.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:49 AM
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36. Thank you.
I already sent my comment to Air America.

Even if you don't think what Rhodes said was inappropriate, do you think calling someone a whore is a grievous enough offense to fire someone? It's one thing to write someone up, or publicly call her out, or censure her, or fine her. To completely take away her livelihood - to take the job she relies on to pay her mortgage, feed her kids, pay her health insurance premiums, etc. is just waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion to what she did.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:36 PM
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93. I don't listen to her, but she still should be able to say what she wants...
...on her own time, when she's not broadcasting her radio program.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
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32. I don't think she said anything wrong at all.
I thought AirAmerica was supposed to be the voice of progressive radio to counter the right-wing drivel. Randi's progressive.

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mooseprime Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
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33. Reality check!
Our government is directly responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, but should be respected at all costs.
Randi has to go because she used some bad words.
Honestly.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:55 AM
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42. Exactly.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:55 AM by backscatter712
Would you take away someone's livelihood just for calling someone a name?

Even if you disagree with what she said, and agree that Air America should give her some consequences, firing her is just way out of proportion to the offense.

This is a microcosm of a big problem with American society - we, for the most part, live in a totalitarian hellhole, except that most of the time, the tyrants aren't in the government, they're our employers. What can you get away with at your job?

All the time I hear about it - someone makes a snarky comment by the office water cooler, and the boss overhears - FIRED. Someone spends too much time surfing the web - FIRED. Someone puts a political bumper sticker on their car, or is a woman that asks to be paid the same as the men that do the same job she does, or a member of the GLBT community is outed on the job - FIRED.

We have an authoritarianism problem in the workplace. Maybe we could work for making it better by doing things like promoting unions, and pushing our lawmakers for laws that make our states Just Cause states instead of At Will states.

With Randi Rhodes, and with so many others that work for a living, the punishment does not fit the crime.
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OutNow Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:50 AM
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37. Not Really a Free Speech Issue
Free speech is often considered a right as defined by the First Amendment to the Constitution. As such, the First Amendment seeks to guarantee speech that is free from government attempts to control it, suppress it, prevent it, etc. The key issue is that it prevents the GOVERNMENT from halting free speech. It doesn't address the issue of an employer's ability to control the speech of its employees. The famous quote "Free speech stops at the factory gate" is applicable. You can try this at lunch today. Go to the company cafeteria and tell everyone there that your boss is a fucking whore. It is very likely that you will lose your job, and that a claim of free speech will not be a successful defense.

Having said that, I strongly support Randi and think she should get her job back today. Why? Because what she said is true. It is not over the top. Her boss should consider the context of Randi's talk. What part is not backed by the facts?

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:00 PM
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43. Exactly
Randi is free to say whatever she wants. She is not free to say whatever she wants and be paid for it.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:51 AM
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38. Thank you! Done!
K and R
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:52 AM
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39. I already did it yesterday.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:54 AM by FlaGranny
Maybe I'll do it again today, and tomorrow, and on and on and on.

P.S. Did it again. And thank you for posting.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:53 AM
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40. Done-K&R
I may not like what you say but I will fight to my death for your right to say it. Democrats should never fight to silence free speech in this country. I thought what Don Imus said was foul and disgusting, but I couldn't support firing him for saying it. I supported the advertisers dropping him, pundits refusing to go on his program and listeners turning his show off. That is you fight for change, not asking for him to be fired. Every one has the right to be as dumb as they want in this country. No one makes you listen to them. Do you want to change that? Either you believe in free speech or you don't. Period.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:16 PM
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49. Not a Sexist remark!!!
She is trying to bring gender into this so she can get sympathy. A whore can be a male or female and anyone that sells thier self (sexually or morally) for personal gain.
Looks like she fits to me...and that is from another female so it's NOT sexist.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:27 PM
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50. (NT)
:kick:
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:29 PM
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51. Sent. Want Randi back ASAP. Thanks for link
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:51 PM
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54. Thank you!
K/R
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:51 PM
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55. Thank you!
K/R
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:05 PM
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58. I've sent my request to get Randi back on the air.
Progressive voices cannot be silenced.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:40 AM
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110. I also sent my request
To keep her off the air until she agrees to use facts and check her sourcing

Bill from ct
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:09 PM
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59. .
:kick: and r
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:49 PM
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68. The less Randi, the better we all are.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:19 PM
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92. I took you off ignore this week.. but
the less AX10 the better we all are.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:39 PM
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95. Then don't listen to her. I don't, but others should be able to if they want. n/t
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:35 AM
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107. Don't be so sore
from a few jokes hit at the truth about your clinton.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:00 PM
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70. Shameless self-promotion kick again.
We need to get Randi back on the air.

We're sorely outnumbered on the radio dial by the right-wing assclowns - Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc.

We can't even afford to lose one good progressive voice on the radio.
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2_CentsWorth Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:24 PM
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80. By all means, those of you who do want R. Rhodes back...
on the air, give some thought to her "thinking", it's more than a question of free speech.


Use what language you will, you can never say anything but what you are. R.W. Emerson

Profanity is the common crutch of the conversational cripple. D. Keuck
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:02 PM
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85. Free Speech has NOTHING to do with this.
She was there FOR her employer at her EMPLOYER'S event. Free Speech does not come into play. She was disciplined and deserved it.

I would have fired her ass.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:04 PM
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96. She was doing HER JOB.
You like it when it's about corrupt Republicans, but hate it when it's about corrupt Democrats.

Still doesn't change the fact that she's doing her job: speaking truth to power.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 PM
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100. It wasn't her employer's event. Fundraiser for KKGN (not owned by AAR), expenses not pd by AAR. nt
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:59 AM
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120. KKGN, an Air America affiliate
Sorry, but you are incorrect.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:02 PM
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133. The event was not sponsored or paid for by AAR. KKGN is also a Jones Network affiliate & owned by
Clear Channel. It wasn't an AAR event and she wasn't appearing on the behalf of AAR. It was a fundraiser for KKGN, the local station.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:33 AM
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106. Oh yes it has something to do with it
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:11 PM
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88. Her picture is no longer on the page where you log in to listent to live stream. Sigh... n/t
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:14 PM
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90. Thank you K&R
Done!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:15 PM
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91. K&R!
Randi deserves better than AAR and Mark Green (orange)
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:06 PM
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97. K & R to stop the hypocrisy
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:50 PM
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98. Anybody know where the video can be found?
It seems to have been removed from the other links I've found.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:51 AM
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102. You're right. It was on DU, but was pulled from YouTube. But they missed this one... :-)
The source isn't my favorite, LOL, but they show the clip...;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blkKbMN9hzc
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:08 AM
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126. Here's the video, hosted on the Green960 website
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:25 AM
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127. Very cool! Thanks! My FIXED News video only had the operant clip,
and they bleeped the profanities...:D
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:23 PM
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99. Thanks for this
recommended.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:45 AM
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101. K&R. Thank you. Sam Seder addressed this yesterday when he was in for Randi.
He took a lot of calls from people protesting her suspension and even gave them the Air America feedback e-mail address...:-)
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:57 AM
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104. No more whores for Obama
we have enough Obama whores in the media

Randi was always to quick to jump on any story (sources be damned) that suited her agenda

She, not unlike, Rush is a propagandist

Bill from ct
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:37 AM
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108. I want her back on the air, I believe in free speech, but I don't
know what her contract states and therein lies the rub... If her contract states she is to present herself as always representing AAR, then she has to conduct herself in said fashion....
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:55 AM
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118. Put her back on the air
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:58 AM
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119. It is up to AAR and what is in her contract... I love Randi
I would not of been able to get through the 2004 election without her everyday... I hope she gets back on the air...
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:00 AM
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121. Just wrote to them
Who else here likes Randi Rhodes a huge amount more since this whole flap started?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:03 AM
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123. I wrote them a Thank You note for the suspension
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OneDemsConscience Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:31 AM
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131. I wish I could agree
Cause I've enjoyed many Rhodes segments over the years. And I don't disagree with her right to call anyone she wants a whore (especially in the stand-up comedy sequence in which it happened).

But I just hate to see the Democratic party eat itself alive. Rhodes' rabid partisanship is not what we need....it's just more gist for the Rethug propaganda machine that we are hopelessly irrational.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:44 AM
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132. Welcome to DU, OneDemsConscience!
It's not often that I catch someone on their very first post! Glad to have you with us...:toast:

I don't agree with you about Randi, though she sometimes does go pretty far, but I do think that we need more party unity, especially here on DU...*sigh* :hi:
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TriggerGal Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:33 PM
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137. ALSO ... Email
feedback@airamerica.com

With every email address you have !!!
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chrispossible Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:09 PM
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139. Look for an update tomorrow

from the SF affiliate Green960
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TriggerGal Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 AM
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140. GREEN 960 Video
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8aCay5e6lU

Continue emailing: feedback@airamerica.com


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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:34 AM
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141. Seems like a long time ago, America forgot what America was supposed to stand for.
I think Mark Green fucked up pretty bad this time.

Ed Schultz doesn't seem to need AAR these days to make his point.
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TriggerGal Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:38 AM
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142. The Green 960 video proves it
Mark Green needs to make an official apology - to Randi and her fans!
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