Clinton's Plan is going to Force me to buy for-profit Health Insurance. How is this Healthcare?

[berni_mccoy]

It won't change anything for me. I already pay for my Health Insurance. Are for profit Health Insurance companies going to suddenly lower their rate because they have many more subscribers who are forced to buy it and who likely can't afford it anyway? I don't think so. The Insurance companies will take what they can and profit off of laws designed to make them money.

This plan will never pass the current Congress, and I don't see that changing with a new Congress.

[DearAbby]

1. The for profit Healthcare insurance

IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM!!!

[Zachstar]

2. I agree but is healthcare on today's daily topic?

I mean WTF every day Clinton supporters seem to field a different topic to try to beat Obama supporters on and almost every day it changes.

Meanwhile Al Franken running for congress loses the lead to the republican in polls.

I can't wait for this race to end!

[berni_mccoy]

4. Yes, a b.s. topic about Obama's healthcare plan was started.

[FrenchieCat]

3. That's why Insurance mandates will kill a Democrat in the GE......

cause it will never sell to Independents, moderate Republicans or Centrist Democrats.

It's like committing Hara-Kiri to run on ordering mandates in a General election!

[Zachstar]

5. Clinton stands no chance in the GE.

Everything we have against her is tiny in comparison to the republicans who have been preparing for this for over 8 years.

[joshcryer]

14. Wrong, she has the "optional private insurer" plan alongside it.

It would sell just as well as Bush's "optional Social Security investment" thing.

[Sparkly]

6. That's not true.

Her plan allows for either private insurance or a public insurance plan similar to Medicare.

[BlueIdaho]

7. HRC already lost this battle with the health care insurance companies in the 90's

What makes you think that years of taking their money is going to make it any more likely she can change things now?

There they stood - toe to toe and eye to eye - and she blinked.

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[Sparkly]

8. "she blinked" -- not exactly what happened. nt

[berni_mccoy]

9. No, it was worse. She totally backed down and gave up. She was unconvincing and rude

She tried to ram the plan down the Democratically controlled congress. They said no, but were still blamed with "Hillarycare" and lost the Congress in the following election as a result.

[Sparkly]

10. Hi berni.

Did you see my reply to your OP above? There isn't a requirement to purchase private for-profit insurance.

[joshcryer]

13. They were all corporate Regan-era shills, they didn't have the balls to pass a plan that hurt...

...insurance companies.

That's why we lost. They had no fucking spine.

[BlueIdaho]

11. Ok then

How have you enjoyed your universal health care over the past decade and a half?

Actually she developed a plan in secret without getting the congress on board. A plan that crashed on landing. Why? Because the smartest girl in the classroom was arrogant enough to think that she could force everyone else to do what she said because she said so. What - exactly - about her personality has changed since then?

NOTHING.

[Sparkly]

15. Why the sarcasm?

What she did, obviously, wasn't effective in getting a plan passed. But it wasn't about "blinking" from intimidation by the insurance companies, as you suggested. :shrug:

[BlueIdaho]

17. It wasn't just congress...

It WAS the insurance companies - they flattened her and they will do it again if she is elected. The sarcasm comes from the sense of loss. All those people - including members of my family - who have had to struggle to pay for their health care, and eat, and keep a roof over their heads. She had a chance and she blew it.

[joshcryer]

12. You're lying.

First, her plan puts limits on rates.

Second, she has an extended Medicare plan.

Third, it's half the cost of Obama's plan.

Fourth, the more people pay into the extended plan the lower rates are.

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Obama's plan is drastically different though.

He doesn't put limits on rates.

His extended Medicare plan will have to compete with for-profit insurers and because people can chose to not be insured (and many will), it will hurt the system when uninsured people get taken care of (due to the Patients Bill of Rights), costing hospitals lots of money.

Obama's plan puts money into the pockets of the insurance companies, not Hillary's. In fact, her plan will hurt insurance companies because it puts limits on their profitiblity.

[berni_mccoy]

16. No. sorry you can't handle the truth.

First... unstated limits are not limits

Second... you have to qualify for medicare and unless she's going to change those rules (which she doesn't) then there are still 10s of millions who won't qualify

Third... no one can determine the cost until it's implemented... and if you mean to the fed. gov. then I would say the money is coming out of the pockets of people like me directly to the insurance companies who will profit. Gov't won't control jack on the rates and won't manage anything

Fourth... completely wrong... if you knew anything about statistics or economy, you know that's not true. Higher demand = higher prices. More unhealthy people on the plan means HIGHER RATES.

You are simply sticking your head in the sand for Clinton who is going to hand over BILLIONS to the Insurance companies like Bush did for the Oil companies.