Hillary (Act IV): “I walked into my dorm room and took my book bag and hurled it across the room."

[HCE SuiGeneris]

Her eyes dart furtively down in an attempt to peel the words from the script and apply her "personal" memories...

It is quite possibly the most contrived, stilted, mash-up of a "heart-felt", "reach-out-and-touch-me" sermon that I have ever heard.

Well worthy of the 4 award!

Can you count how many times she has to reference her crib notes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23943618#23960047

[tabasco]

1. I thought republicans were the most gullible people on earth

until I saw Hillary run for President.

[Hutzpa]

67. lol!

Dang! she has become addicted to lying.



bwahahahahaha!!!!

:rofl:

[TomInTib]

2. Ouch!

Damn, that was painful.

[EmilyAnne]

3. Maybe so, but of course she had to have been very upset at MLK's death, just like so many other

young people.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

5. It is the tone... there is no sincerity there.

After 8 years on Chimpy McCokespoon, I cannot tolerate any more BS.

[EmilyAnne]

142. You know what? I think you're right. I just watched it again and it does rub me the wrong way.

She's trying to interject herself into something that had nothing to do with her. I didn't see her whole speech, but did she make any sort of meaningful comments about poverty or the legacy of MLK like Obama?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

146. I have heard that the whole speech doesn't come across

in quite the same manner. However, I have only seen clips that last no more than a minute (of her fake reflections), and that has caused me not to want to view any more of her speech.

[mtnsnake]

221. Maybe if you watch it a third time you can petition to have her banned from DU (snicker)

like you do with her supporters, eh.

[EmilyAnne]

231. One push of the alert button does not a petition make. (snicker)

[mtnsnake]

233. ahhhh, now I feel better, but you could've fooled me earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5388015#5388386

:hi:

[EmilyAnne]

239. Lol. Sorry. I was being a bit pissy. I have no problem with you, mtnsnake, I KNOW that you and

I want the same thing for this country. We just see the Dem candidates differently. Sorry that I came off as an asshole and, honestly, I don't want you to be banned. I was being pissy.

[EmilyAnne]

232. And I want to add that I think both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would be ashamed of

some of their supporters on DU.

[yourguide]

202. Sadly, there was also no camera there unlike the bosnia trip....n/t

[Hieronymus]

229. True, the tone has a lot to do with it ... then there are the outright lies.

[Major Hogwash]

4. I've got a 20 dollar bill that sez she didn't even have a book bag!!

Kids didn't use "book bags" 40 years ago!!

Who the hell is she trying to fool with this bullshit?

She was a GOLDWATER REPUBLICAN at the time!!!

[Sparkly]

8. She worked for Eugene McCarthy that year.

I grew up on a college campus and yes, there were book bags.

[flowomo]

12. facts aren't selling well on DU right now....

the story must be that she was working for evil and there were NO bookbags (even, though - whispering -- I had one myself at the time)

[Sparkly]

19. Bookbag-gate...

Sigh. There actually was a discussion of health care around here earlier.

I remember macrame and canvas bags and those L.L. Bean totes (maybe it was a New England thing).

[flowomo]

43. well, my bookbag was from the Harvard Coop....

but my chamois shirt was L.L.Bean all the way! The damn thing actually caught fire when a spark jumped from the fireplace and lit it. The nap on those shirts was dangerous!

[Major Hogwash]

29. You really need to work on your facts, Sparkly.

She supported Goldwater at the time of the assassination of Martin Luther King. Hillary was head of the Young Women Republicans at her college. Not until after the Republican convention, when her dad, Hugo, thought that Rockefeller had been mistreated by the GOP party, did she even think about switching parties.

And the Republican National Convention was held during the summer of 1968, well after MLK was assassinated.

[Sparkly]

38. That was four years earlier.

I'm not an expert on her life, but this isn't hard to find.

What you're citing is the point when she formally changed parties.

[Major Hogwash]

55. Hillary was a Republican at the time of MLK's assassination. It's in her book.

Hillary went to Wellesley in 1965, she became the Young Republican Women's leader that year and went to the GOP convention with her father in 1968!!

Gee, I thought everyone already knew that!

[Sparkly]

58. She wasn't supporting Goldwater.

Not in 1968. She did, however, support Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

I didn't have my facts wrong.

[Major Hogwash]

64. You really need to read her book, where she admits she was a Republican

Who supported Goldwater in 1968 and her father was ticked off about the treatment of Rockefeller at the GOP convention. That was when she decided to switch parties, her dad never did.

[Sparkly]

66. 1964, not 1968.

And I wasn't wrong that she supported McCarthy in 1968.

[Major Hogwash]

72. '68, you're wrong. Hillary went to the GOP convention - in 1968.

Either read her book or read her bio at wiki and learn ya sumpthing.

[Sparkly]

76. I can't believe you're still arguing with me about this.

She did not support Goldwater in 1968. That was 1964.

She did support McCarthy in 1968.

The facts I cited are correct. Why do you want to argue?

[Major Hogwash]

84. Hillary was only 16 at the time of the GOP convention in 1964, Sparkly.

She wasn't even old enough to go to the GOP convention in 1964.

[flowomo]

89. here's a source to settle this dispute:

Did Hillary Clinton work for Goldwater?
A: She was a high-school Young Republican and "Goldwater Girl" in 1964 but swung to supporting Democrat Eugene McCarthy's campaign in 1968 and George McGovern's in 1972.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_hillary_clinton_work_for_goldwater.html

[Sparkly]

91. This is what I told Mr. Hogwash.

Goldwater -- 1964.

McCarthy - 1968.

[flowomo]

94. yes, I know...

and I actually found a reference to protesters carrying bookbags which I posted below. I mean, I KNOW people carried bookbags because I was in college then... but there's an actual account of it.

[Sparkly]

98. Something's wrong when these things have to be sourced

in a political forum! :crazy:

[flowomo]

103. history comes and goes so quickly around here....

to paraphrase what Dorothy said when she got to Oz

[Major Hogwash]

93. Hillary went to the 1968 GOP convention with her dad, Hugo. It's in HER book.

So, which version are you going to believe, hers or some web site's?

[Sparkly]

97. Mr. Hogwash....

Is there something I disputed about the GOP convention?

When you said I need to "work on my facts," what facts did I have wrong?

The only factual error here was yours, saying she supported Goldwater in 1968.

This is getting fun.

[Major Hogwash]

104. Hahahahahahaha!

You can call me Ray, you can call me Ray J. Johnson, you can call me Ray J. Johnson, Jr., but ya doesn't have to call me Mister Hogwash!

~ really old routine that I thought was funny

[Sparkly]

90. Okay...

I'm really working hard at not saying something snarky and condescending right now. (Something about getting your facts straight or reading books and websites.)

I did not say anything about when she went to the convention.

I said: She did not support Goldwater in 1968. That was 1964. She supported McCarthy in 1968.

For some reason, you wish to argue with me.

[Major Hogwash]

155. Here are the relevant facts. Hillary supported Rockefeller in 1968 at the 1968 GOP convention.

The 1968 National Convention of the Republican Party of the United States was held in at the Miami Beach Convention Center in Miami Beach, Dade County, Florida, from August 5 to August 8, 1968.


Source -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Republican_National_Convention

She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<24>

Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<24>

Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<24>

Source -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton


The Republican GOP party convention was 4 months after Martin Luther King was assassinated.

[Sparkly]

199. I never disputed any of that. What is it your "correcting" about what I said?

:shrug:

[Major Hogwash]

228. Certainly you can read.

So, you're just going to have to admit that Hillary was a Republican in 1968 at the time of Martin Luther King's assassination.

Bookbag, indeed!

[mtnsnake]

222. Pipe down Hogwash. You've already been debunked a hundred times. nt

[Major Hogwash]

226. See Post #155 - you can't debunk the truth.

Hillary was a Republican supporter at the time of Martin Luther King's assassination in 1968.

[WinkyDink]

172. Goldwater ran against LBJ in 1964, FGS. LOOK IT UP.

[Major Hogwash]

225. See Post #155

Look it up yourself, winky.

[karynnj]

217. You are both right and wrong

1968 was Nixon, not Goldwater and she did go to the convention. I had thought it was with a Republican representative that she interned with though. She was for McCarthy though.

[Catherina]

152. So Hillary was with the GOP that long and interned for Gerald Ford?

Thanks. The things one learns during this campaign!

she also worked as a Washington, D.C., intern for Gerald Ford, who was then the Republican leader of the House, and she attended the 1968 Republican convention to work for New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller's unsuccessful effort to get the GOP presidential nomination (pages 34-35).

At Yale Law School, however, she completed her transformation from Goldwater Republican to liberal Democrat.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_hillary_clinton_work_for_goldwater.html

It's a bit unbelievable that someone who was a full-fledged Goldwater girl "all the way down to the cowgirl outfit" and closely aligned with that racist was gushing over Martin Luther King at the time. I thought I'd look up what Martin Luther King thought about Goldwater and Goldwater Republicans and it isn't pretty.

"I feel that the prospect of Senator Goldwater being president of the United States so threatens the health, morality and survival of our nation that I can not in good conscience fail to take a stand against what he represents". Martin Luther King

PLAYBOY: If you could send someone -- anyone -- to that desert island in your stead, who would it be?

MARTIN LUTHER KING: That's another tough one. Let me see, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing Mr. Goldwater dispatched to a desert island. I hope they'd feed him and everything, of course. I am nonviolent, you know. Politically, though, he's already on a desert island, so it may be unnecessary to send him there.

PLAYBOY: We take it you weren't overly distressed by his defeat in the Presidential race.

MARTIN LUTHER KING: Until that defeat, Goldwater was the most dangerous man in America. He talked soft and nice, but he gave aid and comfort to the most vicious racists and the most extreme rightists in America. He gave respectability to views totally alien to the democratic process. Had he won, he would have led us down a fantastic path that would have totally destroyed America as we know it.

http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/features/martin-luther-king-jr/martin-luther-king-jr-04.html

16 December 1964 Arkansas Democrat

Run of the News

"'We see dangerous signs of Hitlerism in the Goldwater campaign. If Goldwater wins I am absolutely convinced we will see the dark night of social disruption and such intensification of discontent and despair by Negroes that there is certain to be an outbreak of violence' "

[Major Hogwash]

156. Great post. Memories that are lost in the mist of time aren't worth having.

So, we must stick to the facts concerning those days, not Hillary's delusions of her memories of those days.

[Catherina]

170. Thank you. I learned quite a bit there.

I didn't know all of that about Hillary or Goldwater. I don't trust her for a whole host of reasons but this just makes it worse. One of the things I read was that Buckley and Goldwater were working together to capture the racist vote

An Empty Apology

By BOB HERBERT
Published: July 18, 2005

One of President Bush's surrogates went before the N.A.A.C.P. last week and apologized for the Republican Party's reprehensible, decades-long Southern strategy.

The surrogate, Ken Mehlman, is chairman of the Republican National Committee. Perhaps he meant well. But his words were worse than meaningless. They were insulting. The G.O.P.'s Southern strategy, racist at its core, still lives.

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," said Mr. Mehlman. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

He made his remarks during an appearance in Milwaukee at the annual convention of the N.A.A.C.P., which has a relationship with President Bush reminiscent of the Hatfields' relationship with the McCoys. In a chilling act of political intimidation, the Internal Revenue Service responded to criticism of Mr. Bush by the N.A.A.C.P.'s chairman by launching an investigation of the group's tax-exempt status.

The Southern strategy meant much, much more than some members of the G.O.P. simply giving up on African-American votes. Put into play by Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon in the mid- to late 1960's, it fed like a starving beast on the resentment of whites who were scornful of blacks and furious about the demise of segregation and other civil rights advances. The idea was to snatch the white racist vote away from the Democratic Party, which had committed such unpardonable sins as enacting the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts and enforcing desegregation statutes.

...

At its heart, the Southern strategy remains the same, a cynical and remarkably successful divide-and-conquer strategy that nurtures the bigotry of whites and is utterly contemptuous of blacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/18/opinion/18herbert.html

Some things never change.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

I was in college then, too, and I don't remember using "book bags" at all in those days. Maybe some people had them, tote bags or something. I might have had some macrame thingy then.

[karynnj]

218. I was as well - in fact, I don't think other than in lit classes, I took my book

Just a note book. Having three kids who all had backpacks starting in kindergarten, they seem so obvious a solution to bringing stuff to classes that I wonder why we didn't have them. I remember carrying books home from school - just carrying them. But, HRC said book bag, not backpack and it is believable that some people had them.

[TexasObserver]

14. I was just posting the same thought down thread.

I remember more than one Goldwater type, and to a person, they all hated Dr. King. He may be revered today, but in those times, the rightwingers of both parties consistently called him a communist and loathed him.

[goclark]

24. That's why you should never tell a lie

unless you are very good at it.

When I heard those words come out of her mouth my brain went ~
DING,DING,DING Here comes another zinger.

It was just something about the way she said it that didn't ring true.

In her defense, she is up against a person that just has "words."

The problem is he knows how to deliver those words and make them meaningful and inclusive to the listener.

When she speaks, she rarely includes the listener ~ it's all about the sniper fire that she heard.

I can't believe a mother that had her child on a dangerous trip like that did not speak about how afraid she was for all of them ~ especially Chelsea.

The entire scenario of "misspeaks" labels her a FIBBER.

[southerncrone]

26. That's exactly what I turned to my husband & stated when she said "book bag"!

In those days you used a "book strap" maybe. But not a "book bag". I knew immediately she was lying from that alone!

I suspect she still holds some of that R residue down in the core of her being.

[C_U_L8R]

194. I had a book bag then. Every kid in the area had em.

Just down the street from Wellesley College.
They certainly weren't like the fancy schmancy ones kids have now.
They were a cloth sack with a drawstring that you slung over your shoulder.
They came in any color you wanted as long as it was drab green.
We'd draw on them to personalize em and when they'd wear out
they'd suddenly burst open, dumping all your books on the ground.

As for the rest of Hillary's story, what I find more disturbing is
how self absorbed and self serving it is. It's all about her...
not Dr King. And that simple observation should tell you
everything you need to know about Hillary Clinton.
It's all about her.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. I always used the caber toss when I was upset.

[emilyg]

36. We did use book bags.

[Hepburn]

163. LOL....

...sure, Emily...yeah, right....in 1966 when I went away to college, everyone had bookbags. Mine was kept on my dorm room desk, right next to my laptop computer.

:sarcasm:

[Debi]

235. Did it have a little pocket for your cell phone? n/t

[TahitiNut]

51. I attended three colleges in the 60s ... and NEVER saw a "book bag" once.

When I heard her say that, I went "huh?" What planet was she on?

A few folks used straps. We did the old-fashioned hip-carry... and gals carried 'em in front. Conformity, conformity, conformity ... no "book bags."

[anamandujano]

57. Which leads one to ask whether you ever saw any books.

[Major Hogwash]

68. And of course all the films of the riots that took place on college campuses show college kids with

book bags rioting in the streets!

Hahahahahahaha!

"Wow, my psychadelic-designed book bag saved me from that pig's mace, man."
"Dude, that's not a book bag, those are my brother's pants!"
"Oh, man, I'm sorry, I really liked the zipper feature. I store all my pot in there."

Hahahahahahahaha!

[TexasObserver]

73. Correct. Hillary's not the only one who can't remember 1968!

Book bag my ass!!

Some people are confusing their memories and calling it history around here.

With the exception of one or two outLIARS, we all remember that book bags were nowhere to be found in 1968.

[flowomo]

86. hmmm... is this writer confused:

What Did it Matter? The Legacy of Protest
McCarthyism, Vietnam, racism: These were among the targets during two decades of protests at IU.
By John Branigin

A crowd surrounds the university president's house, chanting slogans. Students stage a sit-in on a running track, calling for the elimination of race restrictions in the charters of fraternities and sororities. A rally against the government's foreign policy results in a near-riot when counterprotesters turn on the demonstrators.

These events sound familiar when referring to student unrest in the 1960s, particularly in such well-known hotbeds as the University of California at Berkeley or Columbia. But they all took place on the Bloomington campus. Even earlier, during the 1950s, when the so-called silent generation was on campus, IU students led the university — sometimes willingly, sometimes not so willingly — into the future. Just as their peers did at other universities, IU's student activists sought and achieved social change....

As the 1960s wore on, however, it became clear that segments of the student community were chafing under the in loco parentis rules. The more liberal students, often derogatorily referred to as "green-baggers" after the dark green book bags they carried, particularly pushed the limits of administrative tolerance.

http://alumni.indiana.edu/magazine/issues/200103/protest.shtml

[Sparkly]

101. I think there's some concern

that they didn't carry these supposed book bags to the protests and rallies. What happened when they got an urge to stop and study?

[flowomo]

106. yeah but some of my friends had their bhongs in there...

they'd never leave home without it.

[Sparkly]

117. I'll tell ya one thing...

My sisters and I had THE most fun babysitters then!

[flowomo]

129. LOL -- where was that?

[Sparkly]

135. in Connecticut.

Once my parents went on an extended trip abroad and our two favorite "college girls" (yeah we called them that) lived with us the whole time. They were so weird and fun.

[TexasObserver]

105. Yes, that person is confused.

Maybe your memory, like Hillary's, is simply failing you.

Or maybe you and the writer are sleep deprived.

Face it, besides you and one other person here, no one who was actually in college in 1968 remembers book bags. You were in college in 1968, weren't you?

[Sparkly]

111. Oh for God's sake

Are you kidding me?

[TexasObserver]

119. No, I'm not kidding you.

Maybe your memory is failing you. Like Hillary's.

Do you remember any sniper fire? Maybe we can help you find your way back.

[Sparkly]

122. Hillary who?

Sorry, my memory is failing me.

[flowomo]

112. well, history by majority vote is not all that reliable...

I'll assume your comment is friendly, and say that, yes, I was in college in 1968, and that yes, many of my friends carried bookbags -- I brought the one I had used in high school.

[Sparkly]

118. You hallucinated that bookbag.

It's the only explanation.

[TexasObserver]

124. That seems more likely than not.

[TexasObserver]

121. Maybe you and the other person obsessing over this ...

... have a shared delusion. That happens.

[Sparkly]

125. I had a delusion that this was a political forum.

Until we started discussing book-bag-gate.

[TahitiNut]

74. While it was years later, do you recall the National Guard confiscating the book bags at Kent State?

See? They apparently got ALL of them. :eyes:

[Sparkly]

81. Uh, they weren't surgically attached.

:eyes:

[Major Hogwash]

82. Hahahahahaha! Man, they was thorough, wasn't they!!

They got all of 'em.

Hahahahahaha!!

[Hepburn]

165. I absolutely agree with that....

...I lugged around my books and notebooks on my hip. No such thing as a book bag back in the mid-1960s.

:hi:

[Recursion]

206. The kids killed 2 years later at Kent State were "armed" with bookbags

I hardly think it was an unknown technology.

[TahitiNut]

212. See post #74. (They weren't.)

:shrug:

[UALRBSofL]

151. There were book bags back then

There wasn't backpacks. But book bags have been used a long time. Interesting, how many people in the baby boom era here on DU that didn't know there were book bags back then. Wonder if they actually read books?

[karynnj]

220. I didn't have a back pack, but I certainly would not rule out the possibility

that others did. They are a pretty good idea. As to not reading books, I can proudly say that my sister and I won the reading contest when we were in 4th and 5th grade respectively - by reading more books in the summer than anyone.

One difference in college was that we rarely took our books to class - just a notebook. The exception was lit books.

[Hepburn]

162. You read my mind.....

...cuz Hillary and I would have been in college at the same time. Yeppers....we sure as hell did NOT have book bags back then. No such thingy.

[ileus]

196. Same thing I thought...book bag? yeah right....and I'm a hillary supporter.

[lligrd]

6. Ugh, Like Acting Class 101

And I don't think she'd pass.

[wellstone dem]

7. Sadly, for Senator Clinton

her sniper story makes this story not believable.

[anamandujano]

9. So, Bomba didn't even show.

He was too busy campaigning.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. His speech today however, was sincere.

Got anything else?

Love your Obama/Frankenstein. You get that at Hillryis44?

[anamandujano]

16. His was sincere, hers wasn't. That's your biased opinion.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. Perception is a wondrous thing.

Reality too.

[roguevalley]

32. she may have meant well but her delivery was odd, strained to

be the right tone. I remember sitting down and bawling like a baby. It was like the end of the world. It would not take a script to remember how that felt for me. Too bad she sounded so strange. She might have meant every word but her delivery was off.

[Forkboy]

54. "Bomba"

Or did you mean it in one of these ways?

* Bomba, a musical style of Puerto Rico.
* Bomba (Ecuador), a musical style of Ecuador.
* Bomba (cryptography), the Polish device for breaking the Enigma cryptographic machine.
* Bomba (band), an Australian band.
* Jozef Bomba, Slovak footballer
* Alberto Tomba, nicknamed Tomba la Bomba.
* Bomba, the Jungle Boy, a series of books by Roy Rockwood that later became a film series.
* Bomba (Italy), a commune and a town in the province of Chieti, southern Italy.
* Bomba (rice), a variety of rice grown in Spain.
* Bomba (Edo Maajka), a song by rapper Edo Maajka
* A popular name for the Malaysian Fire and Rescue Department

[Forkboy]

132. Beuller? Beuller?

[MilesColtrane]

200. She "misspoke".

Maybe she meant to call him Barack Macaca?

[jgraz]

207. Just another example of the Stormfront that's been approaching DU for some time

"Bomba", "Bambi", "Barry" and even "Urkel" have sadly appeared in DU posts with some frequency. Do the posters realize they're using white supremacist code? I wonder... :shrug:

[Swamp Rat]

211. Speaking of 'Stormfront'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3097741&mesg_id=3110393

[jgraz]

214. Tell me about it

Why that one is still here is beyond me. :banghead:

[Swamp Rat]

215. It crawled out of the 911 Dungeon to 'talk' to me.

:D

[Forkboy]

227. It seems a rather curious choice of words to me.

I'm sure the "Bomba" just occurred to them and there's no real meaning to it.....

[TexasObserver]

11. The "book bag" reference did not ring true.

1968? I don't recall anyone using book bags in 1968 in college. Maybe she was sleep deprived today when she was "remembering" that event from 1968.

I was getting my induction physical that day.

[DURHAM D]

22. We did use book bags back them -

they were not back packs but we definitely had book bags.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

158. 60's Book Bag ... picture

The Greek Shoulder bag was an unexpensive and practical bag
carried by students in the 1960's and 70's. They came in many
different color combinations women could choose from.

[Hepburn]

166. Geeeeeeeeeeeeez.........

.....that is NOT a book bag...it's a freaking purse. You think that strap is strong enough to hold up with the weight of books? I can guarantee you ~~ that is NOT a book bag. Why do I know? Because I was a freaking hippie and I carried something like that...but it sure as hell did NOT have books in it!

LMBO......:rofl:

[ladywnch]

65. the same thing caught my attention. It wasnt' till the mid 70's before

I remember them beginning to come into fashion.......I remember taking some quiz in TEEN magazine and one of the answers (I got wrong) wa about using backpacks to carry books.

[TexasObserver]

78. You're right. It was not until the mid 1970s they began to show up.

Hillary isn't the only person "misremembering" their book bags from 1968.

Probably sleep deprivation at work!

[flowomo]

92. that's just wrong.... see my post above for one contemporary account

[TexasObserver]

109. No, you're wrong. Your memory is failing you.

Probably early onset.

[flowomo]

123. I try to be courteous to every person who replies to my posts...

so I'll take your reply as a sincere concern for my memory. Thank you, but I don't think your diagnosis is correct.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

160. 60's Book Bag

The Greek Shoulder bag was an unexpensive and practical bag
carried by students in the 1960's and 70's. They came in many
different color combinations women could choose from.


early onset idiocy in your case?

[noel711]

197. I carried one of these too: NOT a book bag...

These were cloth bags, certainly not strong enough
to carry books... if you even put a notebook in one
of these, it strained...

These were imported from Greece, very 'hip' at the time
but,
take it from a woman of those times...

We NEVER EVER carried book bags,
BECAUSE of where they hit the body...

book bags were precisely at the hip level,
and made us look bigger in the hips.

It was better to carry the books in our arms
so as not to put the focus on our hips...

It was a 'vanity' thing in those days...

[Sparkly]

205. lol -- "Does this bookbag make me look fat?"

Now I've heard everything.

Not all college women cared about bookbags making their hips look wider. :rofl:

[NashVegas]

213. I Had One of Those Around 1976

But my 1960s bookbag was canvas and leather. The top folded over and there were straps that came over and latched with little buckles.

Try to imagine a poor man's soft leather briefcase - that's what bookbags looked like.

[Emillereid]

238. I had one of those but only used it as a purse - it was too flimsy to hold books.

[McCamy Taylor]

15. This is a sad day and you are making it even sadder. Dr. King tried to bring us together.

Black, White, gays, Latinos, immigrants, poor, men, women, adults, children

He would be sad if he knew that you were using his name for such partisan purposes.

[anamandujano]

23. They got the tax info, so they're lost for awhile, searching desperately

for some new fodder for attacks.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. Perhaps politicians should speak to us without insulting our intelligence.

Hillary could learn a thing or two from the great Dr.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

17. "Hillary's Bookbag Disputes 'Hurling' Claim."

Senator Hillary Clinton's college bookbag was located in a thrift shop in Tennessee today, and in an interview it said she did not hurl it across the room in 1968 or at any other time. "I was there," the bag said. "She didn't hurl me. I would know if she hurled me. In fact, she set me gently on the desk." The bag refused to say if it was supporting Senator Clinton's run for the Presidency. "I'm still making up my mind," said the bag.

[Sparkly]

20. Now THAT should get a DUzy!!

:rofl:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

35. Link?

[anamandujano]

39. Oh god, now I'm happy I clicked on this dumb thread.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:yourock:

[pompano]

45. OMG that was funny....

I laughed so hard for a moment I thought my eyes were going to pop out of their sprockets.

:rofl: :rofl:

[lligrd]

60. LOL nt

[slinkerwink]

77. LMAO

[panAmerican]

108. hehehehe, just read that to my husband!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

191. LINK@%#*!?

Give it up! :web:

[nebula]

18. Now that's what I call unintended comedy.

:rofl:

[DURHAM D]

25. Your post is sick. eom

[jenmito]

27. She remembers that day decades ago, yet "misremembers" getting SHOT AT in Bosnia?

What a phony!

[anamandujano]

49. Memory is a strange thing. I remember seeing the scene of his death

on TV that night. For a long time I had this strange feeling that anything I saw on TV was old. I always thought they were talking about something that happened a few weeks ago, or months ago. So, I didn't even know that it happened that day.

Anyhow, I don't even remember what the parking lot looked like when I walked with my sister in law to an emergency room last summer. I was an important day for me. I had to ask the attendant where to park a month or so ago, in relation to the place I was going. He said, there's only one place you can go, through those gates and to the right.

Having said that, Obama can't even remember who is friends were, before they went to jail. He keeps having to update us, but that's okay with you all.

[jenmito]

53. Hillary repeated 4 times, in full detail, something that NEVER HAPPENED.

It's not like it happened somewhere ELSE or like she "misspoke" (which would be using a wrong word-not making up a story). She lied and blamed it on so many different things I STILL don't use her official excuse. So I SURELY don't believe her when she tells this "heartfelt" and "emotional" story. Too convenient.

[anamandujano]

80. So you already thought she was a liar a long time ago. You would

question anything she said. Now it's all about a book bag.

I feel the same way about Obama. I think he's a liar and has trouble keeping track of his lies, there are so many about. He does it on purpose. I believe Hillary made an honest mistake.

You can tell the wrong story many times. You remember something the wrong way, change a date, change something by mistake and you keep telling the story until someone corrects you.

I have a friend from 30 years ago telling me things that I have no memory of. We did this, we did that.

I went to the exhibit of King Tut's tomb in New York with her and her mother. I remember where we ate before, what I was wearing but, my friend reminded me, her future husband was with us. I said, huh, are you serious? I was even quoting her mother specifically. I still can't conjure up the memory of his presence.

I told a story a million times about getting margaritas in a little bar in NY. I was with my college roommate on a visit. It was memorable only because as we were drinking we kept saying it tasted soapy. We finally asked and the bartender realized he had dipped the glass tops in soap powder instead of salt. Sorry, sorry, sorry. :) Well, it turns out that I wasn't with my roommate, I was with the friend from the above story. Another, are you serious from me.

And no, I'm not 135 years old.

[jenmito]

110. Nice story, but there's no comparison. Hillary wrote her story in a book where she remembered

it "correctly" then "misremembered" that same story FOUR TIMES-all while running for president-while running on her "readiness" to be CIC.

[anamandujano]

128. Well, she gave you all something to yack about all last week. Now

you can go over her taxes with a fine tooth comb.

I still say memory is weird and I doubt she lied on purpose, knowing there were always cameras on her.

Maybe you can speak to Obama's lies and endless updates of positions. Why is it OK that he does that on a regular basis?

[jenmito]

138. There is a reason she released them today-Friday late, MLK day. There's nothing

"weird" about HER memory of the non-existent sniper-fire story. She lied. Period.

[anamandujano]

140. You left out the part about why you think Obama's lies are Okey-dokey.

[jenmito]

150. Start a thread about his supposed lies if you want to. n/t

[hisownpetard]

130. It's like the time, after her infamous Xerox remark, when she said 3X in a row how "honored" she was

to be on the same platform with Barack Obama, and then she gives him the heel of her Rockport Pro-Walker Pump
as he's leaving the stage. I mean, she had barely taken off her bumblebee jacket when she started hurling accusations
at him, in spite of how honored she felt.

"Shame on you, Barack Obama!!!" is what she was shrieking the following day.
Now - THAT'S my girl...

[jenmito]

139. ...

"...her bumblebee jacket..." :rofl:

[hisownpetard]

126. It's all about HER. She is the female Forrest Gump of presidential politics.

:hi:
I've never heard a less sincere speech. She's outdoing her previous record at every turn.

[jenmito]

131. Yup.

Neither have I. What a phony. :hi:

[Raine]

28. It's ALWAYS about Hillary and

how something effected HER, can't she just say it was a horrible thing for America and let it go at that. :-(

[anigbrowl]

44. Seconded.

I'd say more, but I don't want to be snarky about it.

[cliffordu]

59. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

That's exactly it. I couldn't figure out what it is about Hillary that constantly freaks me out.

She has exactly zero empathy. None.

Narcissistic personality disorder????

[Erin Elizabeth]

71. There's another thing that reminds me

of Bush. He does the same thing.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

95. Speak truthfully and stop treating us like we're imbeciles?

I think had she done that from the start of the campaign, instead of listening to her repugnant strategists, she may very well have won this primary.

[EFerrari]

204. There's another problem. She's unbelievable.

Even if she were telling the truth, it comes off as fakery.

[bigbrother05]

30. it's 3 o'clock in the morning

and the phone rings, it's her economist, (according to McCain) and she hurls the phone across the room.

[quantass]

33. Clearly she couldn't care less about what she is saying

[dchill]

34. Ukelele Blues

“Woke up this afternoon, saw both cars were gone,
Woke up this afternoon, Lord, Mama, saw both cars were gone,
I felt so lowdown deep inside,
I threw my drink across the lawn.”"

Martin Mull

[nebula]

37. She needs to fire her acting coach.

she won't be winning any Oscars for this performance.

[BlueIdaho]

41. Bless her heart...

She has the uncanny ability to make anything sound like a lie.

[ginnyinWI]

173. there was one exception--

That nice little speech at the end of that one debate. The Unity one, if you will. But then she went and spoiled that impression the very next day. It went "poof" in everyone's mind.

Maybe we were just hungry to believe it was real for a few minutes there. Sad.

[jefferson_dem]

42. Want to avoid four years of these phony patronizing "moments" is reason enough to oppose Hillary.

What a crock she is.

[anamandujano]

85. Yes, we'd much prefer Obama's SINCERE lies.

[jefferson_dem]

100. I just don`t want to see us fall backwards.

This is very personal for me. It`s not just political. It`s not just public. I see what`s happening. And we have to reverse it.

Dig?

[anamandujano]

133. Tell us what you think is happening and where we are going to fall.

I honestly don't know what strange little scenario you have playing in your mind.

Obama lies his @ss off. It doesn't bother you. Hillary's tone isn't quite right and you go off the deep end talking about falling backwards.

Obama's cliches are not going to change a damn thing.

Hillary will fix all the stuff Bush broke.

[jefferson_dem]

141. It was a joke.

Clue ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-W3IXRTHU

Sorry...feeling a bit punchy tonight.

[anamandujano]

144. OK.

[hisownpetard]

134. Exactly. Ya see, it was *personal* for her - after John Edwards got a warm reception at the debate

the night before when he stated (over and over and over) that, for him, the fight against poverty is
"personal."

And when I posted something to this effect on DU, I was attacked with comments such as, "Oh, boo-hoo, does Edwards OWN that word?"

Yeah.

Now we all know better.

[JTFrog]

46. We need to talk about religion?

NO HILLARY, WE DON'T.

Talk about race. Talk about gender.

But keep your damn imaginary people in the sky out of my fucking POLITICS.

They don't call it the RELIGIOUS RIGHT for nothing. Including WFRA, is there no water she won't carry for these fuckers?



:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Bonobo]

47. Bookbag? Where are those damned bookbags? (Photos for Hillary fans)

[Muttocracy]

107. those first two in the second row are really great photos of her

haven't seen those before.

[ginnyinWI]

157. I was wracking my brain--don't remember book bags in the 60s.

They weren't standard equipment back then. Sure she might have had one.

Regardless, it was a great performance.

[Catherine Vincent]

48. That figures that Obama supporters would make fun of someone's

memory of hearing the assasination of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Fucking Losers.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. Stick your head in the sand.

Ignore the evidence. Very mature.

[anamandujano]

52. The evidence can be found on a winding road through the doors of

your perception.

Me too :scared: to go there.

[Bonobo]

63. Must suck to have chosen the wrong candidate and be too stubborn and ego-bound to admit it.

[Hepburn]

167. Making fun of????

I am pissed at what she did today because she is a fucking liar and she INSULTED his memory today by telling that total BULLSHIT story on the anniversary of his death.

:grr:

Get a clue...some of us were for real back in the 1960s and NOT the prez of the College Pubbies or former Goldwater Girls. Those kind did not give a shit about what happed 40 years ago today....and they still don't care!

[scheming daemons]

56. It moved her so much that she went to work for the RNC the rest of 1968......

She's a pathological liar.

[Sparkly]

62. No, she worked for Eugene McCarthy. nt

[Major Hogwash]

99. That's it right there.

Think about Romney's story about him having to pull over in his car when he just heard on the radio that the Mormon church had just decided to allow blacks to become ministers in the LDS church, because he had to cry.

Gimme a break.

[anamandujano]

115. So, you're saying a person can't grieve for someone if they had a

different politics? How about a different religion?

[WolverineDG]

61. Based on past performance, I don't blame folks for thinking she's lying

However, my parents were Goldwater Republicans & they supported Dr. King. So just because she was a Republican at the time doesn't mean she wasn't sympathetic to his message. However, yeah, her speech did sound rehearsed & stilted.

dg

[Erin Elizabeth]

69. Five times in 20 seconds.

As far as looking at her crib notes.

I didn't have the volume on, just counted the look-downs.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

75. *** DING ***

You win!

Here is your prize... in honor of Hillary

Need to have the sound on :-)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2860855320839977330&q=New+tenant+Penelope&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[TexasObserver]

83. ... because remembering what happened that day is sooo hard!!

Apparently, she can remember that tarmac in Bosnia without notes, however.

She looked like someone reading a script that was entirely fabricated, and I see no reason to believe a single word was true.

[AllentownJake]

70. I want to believe her

I just can't. Not after all the other embilishments. I believe she wa upset when Dr. King died. I don't believe her account of the throwing things.

[0007]

79. I say it was worth sixteen

Wards

[CitizenLeft]

87. it's the reason why she's behind, and why she'll probably lose.

I don't doubt that she was stunned when she heard about it, and I don't care if she had a bookbag or not. The problem is... she didn't come off as sincere. It just didn't seem genuine - the tone was off. That's been her problem all along, no matter what her true sentiments are. I'll bet she did get upset... but unlike John Lewis, who, 40 years later, cried talking about RFK and MLK's assassinations on that CNN special last night (did anyone see that?), the cracking of her voice sounded forced. I would've fully believed her if she'd just said it all straight without any inflection or emotion.

Just my take on it. Sad, too, because to me, she was trying too hard to overcome the negativity created by her own campaign - suddenly she has to prove something that was once a given, and she only has herself to blame.

[Bonobo]

88. Hillarochio?

[hisownpetard]

96. When she lowered her voice to a hushed stage whisper and said, "It just seemed like everything

was shattered," I felt like I had just eaten some heavily fried food and gone on the roller coaster.
"Queasy" doesn't even come close...

Bleccch.

[TexasObserver]

114. At least she didn't have to look at Mark Penn and whisper "line?"

Ever see anyone have to read their "memory" of the day MLK was killed?!

A complete horseshit story.

[hisownpetard]

143. Well, I believe she would say that, when she looks at Mark Penn & says, "Line!", she's trying to

tell him that his wig has swiveled and the line (or seam) is crooked.
Yeah, that's it.
That's the story.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

116. I took my Zantac 150 and still have heartburn.

Her constant attempts to speak to us as if we are brain dead causes me some major acid reflux.

[hisownpetard]

210. It really has gotten to the point of insult. How dumb does she think we are?

[Drunken Irishman]

102. I talked to my mom about that day. She had no notes.

My grandfather and her were watching television in the kitchen when they broke in. She remembers sitting there stunned, she couldn't move and my grandpa began weeping. Two months later, my mom was in that same kitchen watching the California returns when they broke in and said RFK had been shot. She was the only one up at the time (it was around 12:00 or so in the morning Salt Lake time) and couldn't move a muscle once again. My mom knew exactly where she was when JFK, MLK and RFK were shot. She didn't even need to think, because those moments were seared into her memory.

[L0oniX]

113. I never saw a book bag in the 60's when I was in high school and ...

I never saw college people with them either. Even at Berkley they didn't have them.

[ginnyinWI]

177. there were a few nerds who used brief cases.

But most students wouldn't be caught using a bookbag. Not at the U of Wisconsin, Madison anyway, 1971.

[DemGa]

120. This seems almost a new low even for Hillary haters

A "movement" based on so much cheapness and vitriol -- and directed at one woman -- pathetic. Count me out.

[anamandujano]

137. Good description.

[hisownpetard]

145. NewsFlash: When Hillary reaches a new low in phony stage-acting, it tends to produce

a simultaneous reaction in those who are sick of this sort of chicanery and just want something real.

Nothing surprising there.

[Hutzpa]

147. Looks like Vittiol has become the hit

word.....how is this vitriol?

[DemGa]

148. Second only to "desperate" ----NT

[Kittycat]

127. She couldn't remember sniper fire/no sniper fire... How am I supposed to believe

she remembers this?

Her faux emotions about made me hurl.

[TexasObserver]

136. So, Hillary and 2-3 others used a book bag, to help them when they dodged sniper fire.

Got it.

Hillary and 2-3 here remember using book bags, because they specifically remember the book bags made dodging sniper fire easier.

Science has proved that people with faulty memories are nonetheless dogmatic that THEIR memories are accurate, as we have seen here tonight.

[AZBlue]

149. Body language tells all.

The shift of eyes, the tension in the face, the poise , the voice and that stance. Not even Clinton can lie her way though all that.

[apocalypsehow]

153. “I walked into my dorm room and took my book bag and hurled it across the room."

"And then I sat down, and listened to Senator Goldwater's concession speech..."

There: that's more like it.

[Emit]

169. lol!

:spray:

[Sparkly]

209. It took Goldwater four years to concede?

[Arugula Latte]

154. It's ... Bookbaggate!

:D

[peaches2003]

159. Book bag or no book bag

it is easy to tell when these stories of hers are lies. She slips into a different speaking mode- the words sound rehearsed, are not natural, and she doesn't look at the person she is speaking to. She tries to hard to remember 'the script' of her story.

[ginnyinWI]

178. yes

Her voice gets really soft and smooth. When she's screaming SHAME at Obama, that's a whole different thing. That sounds real!

[Hepburn]

161. Hillary pimps herself again....

....:puke:

When in the hell will this POS liar just fucking give it up!?!?!

[Political Heretic]

164. ....and it set of an IED, sending shrapnel whizzing past my face. Then assasins jumped me...

...more from Hillary's upcoming "complete" autobiography

[ecstatic]

168. She is a Scorpio, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt if it weren't for

other incidents involving bold faced lies! Scorpios are awful at showing emotion.

[WinkyDink]

174. This Scorpio advises you to speak for yourself.

[OzarkDem]

171. Sexism is the latest fad, I assume?

[Hepburn]

176. Only second to....

...bookbags that were not around in the 1960s!

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

179. Looks like that myth has been busted already

Quite a few have posted personal experiences and even photos of people in the 60's carrying book bags, satchels, etc.

Where the hell did anyone get the idea that college students didn't carry their books in some kind of bag? :rofl:

Your desperation to find some imaginary reason to bash Clinton is reaching psychotic proportions.

[AmericanUnity]

185. For me it's not about book bags. It's about NAFTA, Bosnia, SCHIPS, et al that make me doubt her

[Hepburn]

187. Seems like ONLY the Hillbots remember something...

....that never happened.

:rofl: I don't know where you went away to college, but where I did, there were no book bags. Well, maybe one or two dorks had them....

[JeffR]

175. And 40 years later, she's still so upset she uses a crime scene for a photo-op

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5390897

Yes, she's just so fucking credible. Just a real class act.

[OzarkDem]

180. Yeah, same w/ all those black leaders who accompanied her

What terrible people they are, too. Is that what you're saying?

[ginnyinWI]

182. they weren't there for the same reason that she was. n/t

[OzarkDem]

183. Oh really? Do tell...

What were they there for?

[ginnyinWI]

186. for Dr. King. n/t

[JeffR]

208. Look at the photo of her stepping through the door and do the math.

How many people are smiling? One. How many are waving? One. Now, who is that? I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually.

[ginnyinWI]

181. I'm so glad Obama didn't show up there!

Didn't pander or try to cash in on a brother's murder. He gave a nice respectful speech to acknowledge the day, which was something a good President would do. Class act all the way!

Some people have a concept of showing the nation the President they would be, and others... well I guess she and McCain are showing us the kind of Presidents they would be, too--and it's sad.

[AmericanUnity]

184. 4 Pinnochio performance. Wasn't she a "Goldwater Girl" when she was a student at Wellesly College?

This story smacks of New Hampshire eve. I'm sorry, I supporter the Clinton's through all their troubles in the 90's, but her credibility is shredded in my house at the moment.

[rodeodance]

188. OP sounds just like the RW smearing Hillary. Congratulations.

[Name removed]

192. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

224. !

[Politicalboi]

189. Is Hillary for real?

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/hillary_clinton_and_her_martin_luther_king_jr/

[mythyc]

234. I clicked on this thread and got a virus alert!

nobody click on this. My computer updates at least twice daily and the second i clicked on that link the danger alert box flew up. this should be removed from DU. glad i have a scanner to catch that kind of stuff before the page loads...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

190. can we say "Obama's 2 teleprompters"

[Raine]

193. 7:01PM ET...WHY did Hillary

have her school books (bag) on her at that time anyway?

[TexasObserver]

195. Because she knew she would need a prop to enhance her story.

The story reeks of fabrication, another creation by the Team Hillary Legend Committee, which foists these absurdies regularly. She needed something to give some punch to her story, and the book bag story was the contrivance. It was probably written by someone younger than her.

And then she ran to avoid the sniper fire.

The END.

[Sparkly]

203. Why wouldn't she?

It cracks me up that this is subject to just scrutiny and armchair detective work!

[sniffa]

198. I can't wait for the footage that gets dredged up proving her lying again

Quick, get her old dorm mate on the line.

[Darth_Kitten]

201. Maybe Obama can explain how his parents met again?

:sarcasm:

[kiranon]

216. Waste of space; Bookbags have been around for a long time

They just weren't all that cool when Hillary used one. But they were convenient.

[Taxmyth]

219. More hate speech

Nothing positive just attacks. Either part of the Obama slime machine or a GOP Plant.

[mtnsnake]

223. The ones who deserve acting awards are all the dweebs on this thread acting like they believe you

You Obamawhiners will whine over just about ANYTHING and make a mole hill out of nothing. wahhhHHHHHHHHHH

[quantass]

230. Not again Hillary!

[quantass]

236. k&r

[Emillereid]

237. I went to college between 1966 - 1970 and no one carried a book bag - we carried our

books in our arms just like we did in high school. However, bookbags were used in elementary school. Maybe she's getting her memories mixed up - again.