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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:51 PM
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Hillary Clinton's greatest enemy is herself
She provides the material to make people not like her. She provides the material for comedians to joke about her. She provides the material that makes her absolutely unelectable in the General Election.

Lying about Tuzla, lying about the Michigan and Florida votes, lying about Obama's policies, lying about her vote for wars, lying about her actual record as First Lady and lying about thinking Obama can't win are just some of the examples where she provides her own destruction.

She lied when she pointed out that Barack Obama's kindergarten paper should be an issue. That particular episode of deceptive behavior is absolutely unprecedented in Presidential politics.

She lied about not being for NAFTA when she was in the White House as First Lady. Even after she has been exposed for her REAL record, she continues to lie about that issue. She lied about having some presidential experience as First Lady when in fact she had NO security clearances to be able to enact any legislation.

She will continue to drag herself down by her own petard. Hillary Clinton's greatest enemy is herself. Blaming reporters or people who point out her staggeringly vast record of lies is simply blaming the messenger.

Thankfully for all true Democrats, she will not be the nominee...no matter who hard she lies.


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:55 PM
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1. See, I would say it's her advisors are her worst enemy.
  Being surrounded by those whispering mouths puts her in a bubble. Granted, a bubble she helped create.

  But a bubble, none-the-less, from which she likely will not escape.

  She certainly is capable of better behavior. There remains the matter of her political alliances and choices, which are very dismal and for which she must bear the full burden of responsibility. But that's a bigger scope than I intended.

PB
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:19 PM
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8. If she only had the guts and smarts to be herself. If she only had the confidence to ditch Bill & go
solo all those years ago.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 PM
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9. To get that far, only to fail yourself and ultimately betray your dreams.
...

PB
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:57 PM
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2. She's a bad liar. Politicians who can't lie effectively eventually lose.
Pretty much how it works.

(See the last 4 Presidents.)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:58 PM
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3. She really only has herself to blame.
It's a true shame to see the difference between the Hillary Clinton of April 2007 and the Hillary Clinton of April 2008.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:03 PM
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4. Yep, it's 100% her
Nobody forces her to say anything. I don't understand why people refuse to hold her responsible for her own behavior.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:04 PM
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5. Ignorance and immaturity are surely first.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:05 PM by gulliver
Herself is a distant third.

Most people's worst enemies are ignorance and immaturity, whether they realize it or not. Hillary is just particularly susceptible to the ravages of foolishness in the media and the current pattern of "thinking" in the Google expert crowd. There is a difference between analysis and running garbage through a broken, silly algorithm. Analysis is mature, informed, careful, compassionate, fair. The rest is garbage into garbage producing garbage.
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:12 PM
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6. Too much evidence
The evidence she lied is herself.

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're
having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

HILLARY IS ONE BIG 'MIS'TAKE
Now Hillary denies that she denied she said Obama can't win.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04042008/news/nationalnews/...

Votes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_eBIpEuO4U

Feb 19, 2008:
Hillary Clinton says "speeches don't put food on the table!"
Bill's speeches sure as hell put food on their table! $51 Million Dollars worth
Anyone think that Hillary knew she was lying? or perhaps mis-spoke err maybe she forgot about the $51 Million.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:17 PM
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7. She also said tonight in ND, that she was "surprised" that her and Bill
had so much money.


Hillary in ND: "I have absolutely nothing against rich people. I have absolutely nothing against rich people. As a matter of fact, my husband - much to my surprise and his - has made a lot of money since he left the White House doing what he loves doing most, talking to people."


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:41 PM
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11. I doubt she was more suprised than when she found out how little money her campaign had.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:15 AM
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17. Thanks for posting those links
I was going to do an OP with the links, but it's mostly common knowledge to those that are paying attention.

:thumbsup:

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:35 PM
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10. I agree with you that her problems are mostly her own making. Same for the Clinton White House.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:36 PM by John Q. Citizen
However, I'm not quite so intense about her. I never much thought she was on my side a lot of the time. Other times, she seemed like she was on my side. So I never came to expect she would do the right thing, necessarily.

For instance, when she voted to give bush the power to invade Iraq, I thought, hmm, figures.
So I don't feel particularly loyal or owing to the Clintons, personally.

However, her biggest political blunder was when she implied repeatedly that McCain was qualified, patriotic, and Obama wasn't.

This is simply unacceptable. Hillary totally fucked up. It wasn't long after that some big names in the party started signaling and or coming out for Obama. And a number of supers started moving as well.

Hillary could have done a little race baiting around the edges and probably gotten away with it. But she got caught in some rather obvious attempts early on, and since then people have been looking for it. Having Ferraro blatantly reuse the same material she was sent out to knee-cap Jessie Jackson with in 1988 was stellarly less than knee capping this time around. It just pissed people off at the Clinton campaign.

That together with the elevation of the Repo nominee, McMac, over Obama has made her less than electable by Democrats, who after all, expect at least a modicum of loyalty from our elected officials to the basic principles of our party. If she has no loyalty to those principles, then why should I be loyal to her?

Hillary did this to herself. I'm still trying to figure out why?

Fear, maybe? I think it took awhile before the Hillary campaign realized just how much trouble it was in. And when they finally woke up, they were gripped with fear. They never thought they could lose.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:50 AM
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24. Excellent post.....I like your analysis of the situation.
Hillary put Hillary where Hillary today finds herself. Why...??? Who knows but I do think ego has a ton to do with her fall from "inevitible nominee."

:hi:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:43 PM
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12. This time tomorrow, where will she be?
Her MLK speech will be picked apart for lies over the weekend.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 PM
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13. I also object to their constantly trying to spin the voting
First it's the delegates, then it's the popular vote, then it's big states only matter, then it's electoral votes that those states have that matter.

Who do they think they are kidding? Meanwhile, Obama says not a word about twisting the meaning of the votes. He just quietly racks up delegates. Slow and steady wins the race, just like the Tortoise v.s. the Hare.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:06 AM
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15. The tortoise vs. the hare-what a great analogy!
Obama has done everything right for a neophyte, the fait accompli has done everything wrong. Go figure!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:49 PM
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14. Flamebait
The Obamite smear campaign rolls on
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:16 AM
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16. Hmmm. Since when is the truth, by ones own words
a smear campaign??

Just Hillary's words. That's all.

:hurts:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:55 AM
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20. This kind of response gets into the perception that some people "hate" Hillary Clinton
Sure, there are some people who will openly say they hate Hillary Clinton. That is their opinion and if you asked them why, you would certainly get some illustrated points regarding why.

Then there are people who don't "hate" Hillary Clinton. They just can see through her "strategy", namely what I illustrated in my OP as well as looking at how the Clinton campaign and its surrogates have made staggering blunders and expect us to give them a free pass without response in kind.

To call this OP flamebait is utter nonsense. Perhaps instead of just throwing out the "Flamebait" card, there is a chance for whoever disagrees to tell us where we think that Hillary has lied and it turns out that there was another "story".

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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:56 AM
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18. And then there's the whole issue of the campaign she's run
which has essentially been inept from the start. Not challenging Obama in some states (especially caucus states) and figuring that she'd have the entire thing wrapped up by Feb 5th. Overpaying for consultants who are running on a flawed strategy and have talking points that wouldn't convince a horse let alone a voter. Not utilizing the internet (until just recently) for fund raising and relying on conventional fund raising, in which most of the donors maxed out quickly. The list goes on....
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:44 AM
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19. Obama isn't any better
except he said he was, political rhetoric

same old crap in a different package, big deal


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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:01 AM
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21. He's not any better? Except that
He never landed anywhere under sniper fire, he raised twice as money last month than Hillary, he has over 700,000 MORE votes than Hillary, more delegates than Hillary, and the states Hillary won are almost all Democratic states, (well, maybe not TX and FL ).

So he's just a LITTLE DIFFERENT!
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:43 AM
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22. Agreed, but get the proverb correct: It's "hoisted by her own petard", not dragged down.
A petard was a medieval explosive device. You couldn't get dragged down by it (unless you're talking about carrying it but that's not the usual usage).

:dem:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:42 AM
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23. True...it is an interesting analogy
To be hoist by one's own petard, which means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall in one's own trap", literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoisted, or blown upward) by one's own bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard

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