Hillary's Acting Coach Should be FIRED!

[Stephanie]

WINNER: Worst Performance by a Candidate 2008!


WATCH THE VIDEO > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23943618#23960047

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/02/a_clue_to_how_hillary_clinton.html

A Clue to How Hillary Clinton Found Her Voice

After her big upset in New Hampshire last month, Hillary Rodham Clinton famously declared, "I found my own voice." What she also found was her own voice coach.

According to Clinton campaign's latest federal campaign disclosure report, the Democratic presidential candidate paid $7,500 to voice and drama coach extraordinaire Michael Sheehan in October.

Sheehan, a graduate of the Yale School of Drama who once was the associated producer of the Folger Theater Group, also helped shaped the voice and image of Bill Clinton, who Sheehan features prominently on his web site. If anyone could help Clinton soften her style, as the campaign sought to do in the weeks leading up to the New Hampshire primary, it would be Sheehan.

[Stephanie]

1. Seriously, the worst performance on record.

I've never seen a candidate attempt to EMOTE while cribbing from notes. It's INSULTING.

[merh]

campaign fatique

:shrug:



Nah, that is what the rest of us are experiencing thanks to her sense of entitlement.

[McCamy Taylor]

2. After each debate in 2000, the audience would say "Gore won" then the press would spin to say "Bush

won". We are witnessing the same thing tonight at DU as people spin to say that Hillary was acting.

Many people must be very dizzy tonight.

[Maddy McCall]

6. They want to hate her so badly that they've lost all objectivity when it comes to her.

[rodeodance]

25. This Thread is just another mindless Hillary-Hate fest.

[crankychatter]

62. Clinton's disingenuousness is a campaign issue

no one is more hateful than yourselves regarding the other candidate or his supporters

ok now, back to your cronies

[gulliver]

3. Poor Steph...

Poor, poor Steph...

[rodeodance]

39. yes, pretty sad--almost pity the OP

[gateley]

4. I think she speaks well extemporaneously -

as she did after the speech linked to in the OP. The "throwing the book across the room" part, while, as mentioned, glancing at her notes, was uncomfortable to watch.

Not saying that didn't happen, just that if would have seemed heartfelt and less contrived than it did as she presented it.

[KittyWampus]

5. I heard that performance as tv was in other room. It sounded REALLY false. That's without

seeing any visual cues she probably gave off.

[Stephanie]

7. The visual clues are her referring repeatedly to her notes

She is a poor actress. And she is obviously acting.

[Mme. Defarge]

64. I heard it on the radio.

At first I didn't recognize who was talking. Then, when I realized it was Hillary, it occurred to me that she sounded that way because she had been crying. A lot -- before the interview. She was talking about how some people were ready, while others were not, and I recall her expressing what sounded like frustration over how there was so much at stake and that voters (apparently) didn't realize how much they needed her.

My take, without any visual cues, was that she had been crying because she had lost Iowa, and was down in the polls in New Hampshire, and that she was able to successfully spin the situation for sympathy by playing up the personal toll the campaign had taken on her.

[Diane R]

8. Her April Fools bowling challenge was bad, too. The script was funny; her deliver was terrible.

[Stephanie]

9. She Can't Act

And yet, it's all she does.

[ClayZ]

50. I don't think one should "act" as though they're a candidate.

To be or not to be, that is the question. lol

[roseBudd]

53. As was "change you can xerox"

[JeffR]

10. What the screaming hell?!!!!???

She's pictured here smiling and waving from the balcony where Dr. King died? What the fuck is this?

I am totally disgusted by these pics. I hadn't heard any of her speech until a few minutes ago (I had no real problem with what I've heard), and haven't turned on the TV all day, but these photos just make me wince.

This cesspool of a forum doesn't need more callow criticism of either candidate at this point, but I am just livid at seeing these photos, and I have to register my utter disgust.

[Stephanie]

12. The photos are appalling.

I know.


link

[JeffR]

15. I feel like punching a wall, Stephanie, I'm so pissed off.

I had no idea that this happened until I opened this thread. I'd seen some snarky references to a photo-op in Memphis, but this is just so beyond the pale, it's crazy. I've maintained some respect and admiration for Senator Clinton up until now, but this has torn it. It's not only in bad taste, it's revolting. I have no words to express how angry this makes me. I revered Dr. King. She claims she did too, and then she does this. It's totally goddamned sickening.

[Stephanie]

17. photos link

link

[JeffR]

24. I hope I can get to bed without punching something.

This is just hideous.

[Stephanie]

26. sorry...

[JeffR]

29. De nada.

I like to stay informed. I now know, finally, that this candidate is someone that years of enthusiasm for have been not only misplaced, but stupid on my part.

[rodeodance]

23. punch away.

[JeffR]

27. I took you off ignore just long enough to post this.

And the mods can delete this subthread. But I'll put on the record before I put you back on ignore that if you think this was a smart or decent or honorable or commendable thing for your candidate, or any candidate, or anybody on God's green earth to do, you are just so far up your own ass, it's incomprehensible to me.

[jgraz]

45. I don't get it either, Jeff

I'm working my ass off to get Obama elected, but I'll happily jump on him when he mentions "clean coal" or his love for Poppy Bush's foreign policy.

How freaking deluded does someone have to be to think their candidate can do no wrong? It's really quite disturbing.

[Yurovsky]

70. Great sig line ...

I started out for Kucinich but didn't take the inbetween step of supporting Edwards.

Obama will make a fine President. I think Kucinich would have been better, but sadly too few of our fellow Americans shared that belief.

[jgraz]

72. Here's my theory about Kooch vs Obama

I love Dennis' politics, but I always worried about his ability to sell his ideas. Let's say for argument's sake that Obama is only half as progressive as Kucinich, but he's twice as persuasive. I that case, we lefties would end up with just as much progress under an Obama administration as we would from Kucinich.

I think the Obama math may work out better for us, especially if his popularity ends up sweeping more progressives into office.

[Yurovsky]

77. One thing that could hamper his Presidency ...

is having to deal with a GOP majority in Congress. The House is probably going to stay Democratic, but the Senate majority is tenuous at the moment. A damaged Obama limping into November may not provide enough coattails (assuming he wins) to keep the Senate, and the House majority may become razor-thin.

On the contrary, if Obama can get to the convention w/o too many scars from his contest with HRC, he could come out with enough momentum to not only win, but to create a 60+ supermajority in the Senate that might actually enable him to get things done.

As for DK, I agree with your points. In politics, being right comes in a distant second to being popular. While not the most charismatic of pols, he more than makes up for it with character and integrity, something we are in dire need of after the past 7 years.

[jgraz]

79. Wow, I really disagree with your take on the Senate

Check out the number of Repig Senators up for re-election this year. Many of them are in deep trouble. Even Inhofe (Oklahoma!) is having to scramble to keep his seat.

Barring a Clinton theft of the nomination and/or Repug shenanigans, this fall is going to be a bloodbath for the GOP.

[Yurovsky]

83. The bloodbath is where the 60+ supermajority comes in...

that is a MAJOR seachange, and one that I think IS possible (in which case we are in agreement).

But if the next 4 months are spent with HRC just constantly attacking Sen. Obama and eating away at his popularity with independents and Republicans who still maintain a synapse or two, well, things could get ugly. It's still 7 months to election day, which is an eternity in politics. In April 1988 I thought we'd be measuring for President Dukakis' Oval Office drapes ... little did I know that GHWB would open a can of racist whoop-ass.

I assume nothing at this point. Work hard. Be relentless. And hopefully when we wake up on November 5th with President-elect Obama and a supermajority (60+) in the Senate and an even larger advantage in the House. I want this election to be everything to progressives that 1980 & 1994 were to the far Right. Total, complete victory. A landslide of historic proportions.

Followed shortly thereafter by real, progressive change on a scale not seen since the days of LBJ.

[goclark]

81. A smile is not appropriate with Rosa Parks

She looks like Paris Hilton's grandmother, smiling for the camera.

[Catherina]

41. I'm too disgusted to even talk about using his murder scene for her fairy-tale n/t

[TahitiNut]

47. Amen, Jeff. Amen.

She's truly tone-deaf. It was an appalling charade of a speech, more melodrama than anything. Then she treats the Lorraine Motel like an amusement park. Disgusting.

[lligrd]

11. Worst Performance Ever!

I am not gloating about it. It was downright embarrassing. Come on Hillary supporters, you need to get her act together. She's making a mockery of all of us.

[rainbow4321]

13. Somehow her smiling and waving at a place with such a tragic history

Is nauseating. Everyone else looks somber, appropriate for the setting of a murder site..not HRC, she looks like it's a HRC pep rally.

[AzDar]

14. That was painful to watch.

:puke:

[Stephanie]

16. It was excruciating.

She's sickening. It would be one thing if she just read the script, but attempting to ACT the script made it just sickening.

[tabasco]

18. She's not good enough to be in a fifties drive-in sci fi movie.

I've seen better acting in Godzilla movies, BY GODZILLA!

TOTAL PHONY!

:puke:

[loyalsister]

19. Ouch!

That was a bad performance!
Although, I do think that she gave a pretty good interview with Brian Williams.

[FrenchieCat]

20. The photos reveal that it is all about her......

and it shows....except to the deaf and blind.

[rodeodance]

21. Good gawd--another BO fan Hillary hate-fest--and the sheepies follow.

[FrenchieCat]

22. It's called having an opinion........

Who are you? The "can't say nothing about what is obvious" thread police?

[GarbagemanLB]

30. In honor of your constant useless input in threads: REC

[cliffordu]

32. I think I'll get in on a little of the rec action K&R

:kick:

Edited for speling (sic)

[jgraz]

46. It is just incredibly useless, isn't it?

Unlike jlake or CyberPieHole or Herman Munster, when rodeoclown finally gets TS'd no one is even going to notice.

[JeffR]

31. The reverend was murdered on that balcony.

And now your candidate is using it as a stage? And you find that acceptable? What fucking planet are you from?

[crankychatter]

63. watch it with the epithets - your anonymity online makes you brave

you wouldn't speak to a panhandler with that degree of derision...

this is indicative of physical cowardice and social pathology

What do YOU call a huge (fox eating guts from a tub) smile at the assassination scene of an historic figure on his memorium day?

I call it fucking OBSCENE.

[burythehatchet]

28. *sniff* I threw my bookbag across the room *sniff*

I think Barry Goldwater also threw his bookbag across thr room.

What a phony.

[Stephanie]

33. "sniff *what did I do next? oh yeah, "I was so upset!"

Next to Larry Craig, she is without a doubt the biggest phony in modern politics.

[PATRICK]

34. Now here is perhaps THE worst application of the

double standard. In general female pols, especially in the rough and tumble parliamentary clime of Britain have to change many of their ordinary speaking habits to scrub "female weakness" where mere tone implies submission, reticence, etc to the gesticulating alpha males around her. This is much more than voice acting, it is sex scrubbing. Possibly the failing here is not having enough savvy female coaches as they do in Britain to help them convey to males what they intend and who they are past the audio muffles and visual blinders.

I think the balance is very awry when you are damned for being gracelessly assertive- like most males- and weakly feminine or just plain false. It does sound very much like the professor in "My Fair Lady", Shaw's "Pygmalion". The tragic thing here is that Obama is so damn good and eloquent on top of that upHill battle. there will be a lot of fault finding in the wake of any massive losing campaign. Clinton HAS proved her mettle and will and come up short against something stronger and more effective, but also an Atlas bearing the weight of ridiculous amounts of bullying that reaches out to every single prejudice within reach.

My main beef is on policy, world and party direction and disastrous choices. As a strong willed presenter
she has gone light years beyond the launch pad and entitlement days. The tragedy is that the efforts to raze her leadership to the ground will continue way past the primary. Perhaps she little suspects yet that she has a lifelong battle to not let the usual suspects take down all women with her, that her burden will remain long after the money and glamor and power has passed her by.

Don't giggle. Lower your voice. Don't inflect any sentence with reticence or polite deference. Don't smile and act too nice. Don't act too tough. Use both a male and female charm at the same time or either one as appropriate. Then be accused of being too feminine, too manlike, too hermaphrodite, too calculating, too strange, too hale and hearty, not joking and convivial enough.

If Obama were a female with about the same range and gifts he has now, he would not in all likelihood succeed, I suspect. Some wonder woman might come along with the right overpowering gifts OR face less competition or a fairer, saner playing field. Yet one must survey the entire women in government landscape to see what is really going on. In nations where women blocs get real women acting as women candidates, there is much better, stronger, less encumbered representation and unafraid of opposing war
or looking weak. What IS the state of the nation in this regard? I think it is not just Hillary but her
woman's base that has exposed another mile wide pothole in our so-called great democracy- where female leadership has not emerged consistently with our pioneering of equal rights and women's suffrage.

[Stephanie]

35. It's the DISHONESTY, Patrick.

She is patently and repeatedly insincere, and it's beginning to wear.

[PATRICK]

38. Underneath

her positions and hypocrisy, which I agree with you more than you know, lies an emotional subtext that puts down women for being women(or trying NOT to get stuck with the contradictory all-American downside of being a woman). On top of both things of course is that she is just not as good as Obama, talk wise.

What is buried in this is not too subtle. When someone at my work begrudges a black for rising up due to favoritism and bypassing them there is a fairness argument that IS rational and a an emotion that is natural and race neutral(it could be ANY person favored unfairly). You don't have to be godlike though to
detect an open permission granted themselves to let racism into the bitterness. Bitterness is not a positive emotion and welcomes all rancor rather "democratically".

THE important issues far transcend human flavors and varieties. When getting angry though, the subtexts will often emerge justified, ugly, irrational and revealing. Not only does Clinton have a tough time regardless of any of her other failings in any aspect, but she is on the downside where ANYONE looks bad and every flaw is magnified. When some of those flaws reveal the societal barriers against female leadership I think it wise to cool it and back off. This is how Gore got crucified- for nothing- and they blamed Brazile for style confusion, lying and insincerity. Women themselves have it a lot tougher and when mixing it up with the male leadership society have to talk their talk on a tightrope.

[Ino]

43. In other words...

"Don't smile and act too nice. Don't act too tough. Use both a male and female charm at the same time or either one as appropriate."

Don't "act." Don't "use." In other words, be authentic.

And that's where Hilliary is lacking. She's not real. She's an act.

[PATRICK]

78. So was Gore, so is Obama, so is every

politician using his skill to reach the vast range of idiots that comprise the entire human race. I suppose if Sartre was to start ranking our pols about authenticity he would exclude the one we are most enthused about? I am still talking about the single subtext NO MATTER the value of all other critiques which place Obama way above Hillary for just cause. The subtext, and may I am wrong, it is just a big smell, is that part of the joyful hate thrown Hillary's way is the kitchen sink of age old and sex driven prejudices. Suddenly they don't exist because someone feels justified in using the argumentation, the tone the logic of pure chauvinism?

If there is an argument that we are all sh*t, then the bitter all encompassing joke that is tainted righteous judgment will have its odorous day rotting in the sun. Somehow, someone cannot get to the single point, that even if Hillary was Ann Coulter there is a sick justification of blinding attacks containing garbage, tomatoes and other puerile "logic". This is what bitterness, paranoia and rage gets you, especially when done from a safe distance. Compassion is not stupid. Neither is forgiveness. Nor is understanding. In fact, they make things simpler than simple condemnation. With more discipline we might even patiently acquire cold-blooded real accountability- which all the high and mighty merit most- rather than empty popular smears.

Again, maybe it's just me, but within some righteous criticism I get a whiff of the old double standard
which itself says a lot about how a losing, stressed and outclassed female pol can get into even more trouble. That is, traditionally screwed.

[WinkyDink]

36. Wow. Smiling. Waving. Unseemly, for sure. It's a HALLOWED SITE, Hillary!

[woolldog]

37. I couldn't watch the whole thing.

Maybe the story is true, but her delivery seems so fake. I don't know if she realizes how plastic she seems at times. I'm embarrassed for her.

[Catherina]

40. I watched the youtube. I thought you guys were exagerating

Her performance is worse than terrible. What a total loser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs8mvqjLU-c

[AtomicKitten]

42. This is the stuff of daytime soaps.

FREE RANDI RHODES

[jgraz]

44. She continues to set new lows

Remember her "Shame on you, Barack" speech? I look back on that with something close to nostalgia now. :banghead:

[Melinda]

48. Just *wow*

Could her behavior be any more inappropriate? I don't think I can do 8 more years of this shit. :(

[TexasObserver]

49. She's sleep deprived, truth deprived, and morals deprived.

And she's a lousy actress.

[Bonobo]

51. The truth is, she should not have an acting coach. She should be herself.

The funny thing is, I BET she was VERY affected by the killing of MLK.

The problem is that she thought it was necessary to "feign" emotion rather than being authentic.

WHY?

Does she thing we're stupid!??? Why does she make up these false details to embellish all her stories? She is a brilliant, interesting person who has had a fascinating and charmed life. Surely she has enough REAL anecdotes!?

Why does she prevaricate? That is the question and the concern that I have.

[Adelante]

52. I don't understand

I saw the bookbag throwing segment on CNN. I thought the delivery was very bad, very false-sounding and false-appearing. That criticism I would make myself. But what is wrong with the photos? It's a politician making a public appearance. How does this connect to the speech in particular? I'm confused by this thread.

[Stephanie]

54. The theme is "exploitation"

And "innappropriate behavior"

[Stephanie]

55. Hillary Clinton at the Lorraine Motel ---pix--->>>

[WinkyDink]

58. Photo #3: Spontaneous hand to head when the sniper's perch is pointed out.

[Swamp Rat]

56. A photo op on that balcony...

x(

[goclark]

57. The coached should be fired

I've been able to coach public speakers that performed better than HC.

She looks at her notes.

She doesn't come across as sincere.

You are able to read her lips and know that she is telling FIBS.

She is THE FIBBER.

[jenmito]

59. This REALLY should be "put out there" for EVERYONE to see-her "voice and drama coach"! Phoniness

exposed!

[EFerrari]

67. I don't see anything wrong with having a coach help you

present yourself to people. Some of us can do it naturally, others can't. My brother isn't great at presenting himself verbally to an audience and he's a sweetheart. It just doesn't come across without coaching.

But, having a cr@ppy coach is inexcusable. lol

[jenmito]

68. A voice and DRAMA coach??? She didn't find her own voice-she found a coach who told her how to ACT

and that's shameful. I don't know if he's a crappy coach or if she's just a crappy candidate.

[EFerrari]

69. Another thing. She says she has 30 yrs of experience

but she's just now finding her voice? That makes no sense at all. :shrug:

[jenmito]

73. No-35 years! And yes, she's just now "finding her own voice." I'd like for her to explain

whose voice she was using the past 35 years!

[EFerrari]

74. Someone who is sixty years old and still hasn't formed an identity

is not a leader.

[jenmito]

75. I think she found it long ago but she's keeping it hidden. She's paying someone to tell her how she

should talk, act, etc. How disingenuous.

[tabasco]

60. Can you help me out?

I'm trying to find Hillary's profile on IMDB.com but I can't find it.

I know she's an actress now so she has to be there somewhere.

I also can't find her short films "Terror at Tuzla!" and "Mourning for MLK."

IMDB is usually pretty complete so I don't know why they don't have her and her work listed.

:shrug:

[goclark]

61. Why is she smiling coming out of the motel room

where King died?

This lady has serious problems.
I would have come out in tears.

If she can remember throwing her book bag on that day,why is she not remembering the meaning of that room?

[EFerrari]

76. Going there with a film crew is already horrible.

There is nothing this person will not exploit and that is disgusting to me.

Did you see Amy Goodman's tribute yesterday, goclark? It was beautiful.

[Yael]

65. There are just no words to describe that video.

She is such a fraud.

:grr:

[EFerrari]

66. Wow. That's a BIG fee! She should have hired me!

Whoever is having her intone personal experience instead of telling it should be shot. If it's Sheehan, it doesn't say much for Yale, does it.

Does anything think that maybe Hillary smokes off camera? Her voice sounds like a smoker's voice.

[Erin Elizabeth]

71. The speech was embarrassingly bad.

Looking down at her notes to read two or three sentences? She really couldn't do that extemporaneously? Seriously?

But the pictures? I feel sick to my stomach. I don't think I've ever seen a single politician or elected official standing on that balcony and smiling for all the world like they just won the lottery. Waving and smiling.

Amazingly crass. I wouldn't be able to break a smile on that balcony if I wanted to. And I don't know why I'd want to.

[goclark]

80. My thoughts exactly

But you said it better. :cry:

[quantass]

82. k&r