BREAKING: DU "STRONGLY" LINKED TO RADICAL RIGHT. Provocateurs Bashing Dem Candidates.

[L. Coyote]

It is obvious, just plain obvious, the RNC has taken over part of DU.

GD-P seems just like Chicago '68, more people destroying the possibility a DEM can win than not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent") is a person employed by the police or other law enforcement body to act undercover and entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to person or group who provokes another to perform a wrong or rash action, the deliberate purpose being to incite wider conflict or harm.

.............

When the HOME page looks like Freeper Land, it is time to SHOUT OUT!

"Go to your corners, kids!"

[JohnnyLib2]

1. Operation Chaos?

:kick:

[goldcanyonaz]

7. That would be one of them.

:thumbsup:

[cliffordu]

91. No - Commander Chaos, and General Disarray......

:patriot:

[L. Coyote]

94. KKKarl = Bush's Brain, RUSH = Bush's Brain on Drugs n/t

[GoneOffShore]

172. And Sergeant Snafu

Along with Captain Fubar

[Skinner]

2. It's not obvious.

What is obvious is that GDP has been "taken over" (if that is even the correct phrase) by people who feel strongly about their favored Democratic primary candidate, and they get carried away sometimes.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. I wouldn't say the people are right-wing operatives

but many here are entirely too comfortable adopting their tactics.

A simple search for "Lewinsky" will confirm it.

[PBS Poll-435]

5. It is almost like it comes "natural" to them...

[merh]

35. You may not like it, you may find it distasteful or under handed

but the truth is, Hillary puts herself in the position of having all things Bill brought up when she clings to his presidency and claims her experience from being his first lady. She said she was his apprentice. In effect, she made him her political advisor and mentor. Just as Obama was scrutinized for his connections to Wright, just as Wright's words have haunted Obama (though nothing in his writings or speeches echo Wright's sentiments or reflect that he has adopted his "radical" ways) so too is Hillary subject to the same linkings. If she was his apprentice she should be aware that his victories and his failings become her own. She claims them, she owns them.

That is why a feminist like me has such issue with her claims of being a feminist. A feminist makes her way through life on her own merits and skills. She is independent and her accomplishments are her own, they are not tied to her husband. A feminist doesn't piggy back her husband, claim his experience as her own and then balk when his mistakes are used against her. How many wifes of CEOs take over the helm of a corporation simply because their husbands were the CEO?

And you need to run a search to see how many Clinton supporters are not supporting the lone candidate, Hillary. They are supporting the two in office, a co-presidency, a return of Bill. That is not just unconstitutional, it is exactly what the right will use to defeat her if she does get the nomination. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/merh/94

I stand by my post, now journal entry, here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/merh/87

If she were truly a feminist, if she had made it this far on her own and had the courage to be her own person, then I would be her champion.

Instead, she distorts, she divides and she wants her cake and to eat it too.

Oh, and she seems to have forgotten what Bill's campaign was all about, she forgets, as the apprentice mocking Obama's calls for hope and change, how important hope is, how vital the call for change.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/merh/96

None of the politicians in this race are perfect, she continues to bring the spotlight on her imperfections and on Bill's mistakes as she belittles Obama and expounds upon her own qualifications, imho.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. Yes

and the freepers felt perfectly justified in using their smear tactics because they firmly believed that yes, the Clintons were just so evil they deserved it.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

[merh]

45. I'm not selling anything

I'm posting an opinion based on my experiences and my understandings.

When you make the freeper comments about something written that doesn't echo your support or your opinions it is you behaving like the freeper. You are either with us or against us.

Maybe one day you will grow up. I'm not putting any money on it.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. Sorry

when I see countless posts bringing up Monica Lewinsky, defending the use of "fucking whore" as a descriptor for Hillary Clinton, constantly portraying her as a cold-hearted, calculating bitch, I see no difference between this place and FreeRepublic on the issue.

[merh]

84. Monica wouldn't come into play if

(1) Bill had not had the relations with her "because he could" (<<<his reasoning in his memoirs)

(2) if Hillary wouldn't be claiming all of her qualifications as the first lady to Bill, if she didn't say she was his apprentice.

I have not used the term whore and when I see that type of language or language like "f*cking white f*ck" or other such inflammatory statements and insults or mockery, or sexist or racist statements, I alert. Neither side is pure when it comes to their tactics and their venom.

Do you think the comments about Hillary will be any kinder from the GOP? Hardly, they will be much worse and she knows that or should know that. Most folks have tempered their comments but it is Hillary and Bill that have brought this upon themselves when she said McCain was more experienced than her dem opponent, when she mocked her opponent's campaign of hope and change (while forgetting that is exactly what Bill's first campaign was about), when she touts she is better than her opponent by exaggerating the truth and making shit up.

Bill Clinton said himself in this campaign, complaining about the attacks is like a football player complaining about hard tackles. That is what the game of football is all about and that is what politics is all about. She can't have her cake and eat it too. She can't claim her qualifications based on her marriage to Bill, as if by some vulcun mind melt what was his experiences became her own, and then whine when his failures are discussed. His relationship with Monica when he knew that the VRWC was gunning for him was stupid and he did it because he could. And those that funding the most grueling, hate filled attacks on the Clintons are the same folks that they align with now.

And I have seen the same type of hate for Obama here that is posted at all sorts of right wing sites, one would think that the anti-Obama folks borrowed posts from those sites.

So stop playing the victim or portraying Hillary as some victim of some unjust attacks, it isn't very becoming.

Elizabeth Edwards said it best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzRQxxldBvk

[OzarkDem]

93. Dems agreed a long time ago

that using a candidate's personal life to attack them is out of bounds and unfair. With regard to sexual affairs, unless a candidate or officeholder is victimizing another person, breaking the law or showing great hypocrisy in their personal vs public choices in sexual behavior, its invalid and wrong. The same community standard has been applied to Dems as well as GOP'ers.

What happened between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was personal, didn't victimize anyone (except perhaps Bill) and wasn't illegal. It didn't put the country in danger. It was a personal matter between the Clinton's that was exploited by the GOP in an attempt to weaken Dems and exert unfair influence on Clinton's policies and decisions as POTUS. It is not a valid topic of discussion in Hillary Clinton's candidacy, but is simply being used as an extension of GOP dirty tricks.

Trying to paint it as part of a valid discussion in the primary race is indefensible. Period.

[merh]

101. Ah, but you see, I didn't make it a topic.

I didn't even bring it in to this thread, that was another trying to make some type of silly point of the victimization of Hillary.

The same folks that made it an issue are on the other side will not hesitate to use it again (and the rumblings I hear is that they have more dirt on bill's behavior since he left office) and to use Hillary's own words against her as they make it part of the campaign. The 3 a.m. phone call is already a subject of mockery. And there are those that see Hillary's win as a co-presidency and that is something that the right will use against Hillary. His sins will be her hurdles.

Bill's intimate relationships were his own business but his judgment in having them while knowing full well that the VRWC were watching his every move just waiting to trip him up is an example of bad judgment. He thought he was above it all, he had the relations because "he could".

It is Hillary that is claiming Bill's good things, she can't be surprised that his bad decisions be used to harm her efforts. If she is surprised then she really is in over her head. Politics, like football, is a contact sport.

Again, Elizabeth Edwards said it best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzRQxxldBvk

[OzarkDem]

116. If the other side uses it

it will carry less weight because the public knows they beat this dead horse during Clinton's years and got nowhere. People are tired of hearing about it.

When fellow Dems use it, it makes the party appear desperate, weak and divided and hurts all of our candidates.

[merh]

127. And no one was using it untl the Clintons decided that all was

fair in politics and when they began to go negative against their fellow dems. Edwards called out Hillary back in Oct and Nov about her decision to go negative. Hillary saying Obama was not as qualified as McCain may have been what made many decide that her tactics called for like assaults on her campaign. Her unnecessary comments about not attending Wright's church, her attacks about plagiarism when she was just as guilty of borrowing material from bill and obama, the list goes on.

Again, how can she expect to claim only the good things from her experiences with Bill? It is just ludicrous to think that she is entitled to such "respect" when she does not give it her opponent.

[MonkeyFunk]

152. pure one-sided bullshit

Obama's campaign didn't "go negative" when they claimed "fairy tale" was racist? And you were arguing months ago, before the primaries started, that Bill Clinton sucked because you didn't like the way his foundation distributed its money.

You hate the Clintons and you view everything they do through a filter of shit.

[merh]

163. Yes, the one side bullshit is on your side.

I agree.

I don't hate the Clintons, I don't like what they have done to the party, I think Bill's lies and indiscretions allowed for the likes of GWB, but I don't hate them. I do resent their lies and their sense of entitlement.

It is you that hate, you just try to project it on me. I don't accept it, you feel free to wallow in it, if you like.

[GrandmaJones7]

180. Exactly as is happening in Formula 1! Its a PRIVATE matter so stay OUT of it!

What happened between the head of Formula 1 and apparently legal prostitutes was personal, didn't victimize anyone and wasn't obviously illegal. It didn't put any country in danger. It was a personal matter that has been exploited by the media for their own SICK purposes and money grubbing and to exert unfair influence in Formula 1. It is not a valid topic of discussion, but is simply being used to attack ANOTHER powerful man!

[Usrename]

159. Hillary Clinton herself describes the role she is seeking that way.

She is the one who says that lobbyists and corporate sponsors are what makes the world go round, that the Empire and the New World Order will all crumble if the next president turns a deaf ear towards them.

She wants to be the whore. She thinks that is what the job she is seeking entails. It's her entire belief system.

You still don't get it, do you?

[UALRBSofL]

67. I'm not buying it either MF

You know what they say, crack kills.

[elocs]

48. In Hillary's apparent desire to latch onto her husband's presidency,

she appears to want to cherry pick the good and positive while at the same time wanting to disregard the negative or anything that is less than acceptable to most Democrats at this time.

[Tellurian]

58. Hillary doesn't need to latch on to anything..

Her credentials stand on their own.

[elocs]

131. Right, that's been made readily apparent.

Much of her "experience" only came about as a result of her being married to the President of the United States. Laura might find it hard to cherry pick, but I bet she could do it to if she were to run.

[JVS]

174. I can't believe how many people refuse to see the elephant in the room

Hillary has used the endorsement and the political connections of her husband to get a seat in the Senate, and has attempted to flog a presidency out of the same endorsement and apparatus. Who the hell becomes a Senator as their debut into electoral politics? Only the well-connected.

[Tellurian]

51. No, merh.. you're using the blaming the victim tactic..

You ignore the obvious and use scraps of innuendo from the past to aide and abet the undermining of the appropriate candidate for the job. Here's a clue: expand your vision beyond what you know and open your eyes a little wider and know Obama will be easy pickings for the RW. He's been kept in a safe environment by the M$M until the GE for the full effect of the exposure of his corruption with Rezko and his associates.

If he were a formidable candidate, I'd give you your due. He's not even close to sustainable when the Rezko Trial blows wide open. His wife is also indirectly part of this rotten kettle of fish..

[L. Coyote]

62. Using a glass ball, are we? What WILL happen in the future is a good example of BS.

Since when isn't predicting the future "innuendo" too?

Critical reasoning is down the drain if this logic is supportable.

Well, I'm not buying into "fortune teller politics."

[Tellurian]

165. From where I am sitting, glass balls are not in my view..

why choose that as an analogy? It tends toward presumptuousness often leading one down the wrong path (as you have chosen for yourself)...bypassing an open door and leading you to the wrong conclusion..

I don't consider the http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=561">Rezko Trial "fortune teller" politics. You might want to apprise yourself of the current status of the Rezko Trial before using hyper-cynicism as your divining rod.

[DS1]

64. You're still banking on Rezko?

That's funny

[merh]

92. Sorry Tellurian

You want a co-presidency, you don't support Hillary the lone candidate. You have no room to judge as you are not honest in your rhetoric and it is you that plays the victim card all too often.

Go read up on Bill's first campaign. It might open your eyes to all you say is wrong with Obama.

And the Clinton's are not clean, never have been and never will be.

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[rodeodance]

104. She is where she on here own merits. i do not buy into your brand of 'feminism"--its RWish.

[merh]

115. It is not RWish

I disagree with you. She continues to claim her qualifications based upon her marriage to Bill. Do you think the wife of an engineer can put the fact that her husband is an engineer and the length of their marriage on a resume and apply for a job and expect to get it?

It is Hillary that is making the claims, it is her choice and she knows that along with the good of Bill's presidency come the bad.

[rodeodance]

140. Most of what she claims is through her own merits. The RW says what you say--for 15 years at least.

[merh]

144. Wrong

What does she claim as her qualifications for office that is beyond what Obama has?

Come on, be honest, where did she get those experiences? As the wife of the president, as the first lady. LOL

My comments are in no way as extreme or as harming as the right has ready for her.

Politics is a contact sport.

The team manager decided she can be the quarterback because she was so close to the first quarterback. She has to prove herself as the quarerback and she can't say, don't hit me the same way you hit him. It just doesn't work that way.

[JVS]

173. Your post is so good that you should post it as an OP

[merh]

176. I will respond to assine, two faced, hypocritical posts

when I read them, but I won't post an OP that continues the moronic divide. At some point in time there will be one candidate and folks will have to unite to stand behind that candidate if we are to win. Plaid Adder's thread was a good one, I think I will go kick it, it made so much sense and is better written than anything I could write.

thanks for the postive feed back :hi:

[40ozDonkey]

14. How prescient of you, lol. nt

[L. Coyote]

16. Agreed. Nonetheless, I want to make a point about how this looks. BAD

when it goes over the top. I know the subject line is not "strictly" true.
That is exactly why I wrote it, to provoke reactions against making such statements.

[Tellurian]

167. Actually, it's looks worse for DU..

This venue is supposed to be a democratic stronghold and as mentioned before, one would never know it by the line of attack that go unmoderated for their harmful effects on the democratic party.

[MethuenProgressive]

17. I agree GDP has been "taken over," Skinner.

Mob rules, where once DU ruled.
Shame.

[Tellurian]

70. "Mob rules, where once DU ruled."

yes, after a band-aid was applied to the patient's surgical wound after Open Heart Surgery.

[NashVegas]

19. It's Certainly Getting Pwned By Someone

Skinner, I see threads in here that look no different from the typical RW conversations about Dan Rather and the TANG documents circa 2004.

Sure, there's always been some small amount of antipathy towards HC, there's been even worse towards Lieberman - but these are planned tactics. The board is gamed.

[OzarkDem]

40. Yes

its a fairly organized effort, regardless of who is behind it. Its not helping Dems or DU.

[MADem]

27. It may not be obvious, but it sure smells that way to me.

Your mileage plainly varies.

It's your car, so you can drive it however you'd like, but that sounds like some serious clunking under the hood to me.

[QC]

37. If they're not freepers, they're close enough to do til the real thing comes along. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

66. Ouch.

Seatwarming is a terrible, terrible thing sometimes.

[Writer]

124. Skinner, after the primaries are over, I'd love to read your thoughts on what this has been like for

you. As this is your site, I'm certain that you had concepts (or perhaps ideals) of how the public would utilize this site. I'm wondering if those concepts have adjusted after watching the rather heated (and sometimes puerile) discourse in here over the last few months. Have you become more or less jaded? Has your view of the average Democrat adjusted?

I'm curious.

~Writer~

[PoliticalAmazon]

145. ITA. Please, no more of this demonization of posters with opinions. n/t

[SaveAmerica]

157. It's ironic to read the OP, your reply and then many of the posts that follow.

Some people just don't see it.

[PBS Poll-435]

4. K&R

[OzarkDem]

6. There are other forums now

Where things aren't so contentious and where Clinton supporters can have real discussions without getting attacked.

The Dem political forum community online is undergoing a long overdue transformation. Young primarily male Dems have decided to begin attacking older, primarily female Dems. Its cool, we can take our money and our posts elsewhere.

[sueragingroz]

10. the difference is ...

we'll always be dems...

they'll "grow out of it"

[Political Heretic]

11. That's some mind-contorting spin.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Yesterday, a moderator argued repeatedly

that calling Clinton a "fucking whore" isn't inherently objectionable, and that people were only pretending to be offended, manufacturing their outrage.

That's a sign of some sort of deep division. He was entirely unable to understand my position, and I sure as hell am unable to understand his. I think perhaps it IS generational.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. I saw that, and was very dissapointed.

"Taken over," as Skinner said.

[DURHAM D]

24. I noticed that -

found it rather shocking. On the other hand, it explains a lot.

[MADem]

32. That pretty much is a cake taker, isn't it?

Wonder how that person's fucking whore of a mother (What? That's not OFFENSIVE--it's, uh...COMEDY! Ha, ha, ha! Why aren't you laughing? And stop with the faux outrage!) would like it if we addressed her in that fashion?

[patrice]

61. Also acting like a semantic "Gate"-tender, i.e. Directing semantic and semiotic content.

You run into Gate-keepers when you talk about paper ballots.

[OzarkDem]

42. Lucky I didn't see that one

Sounds like there's a serious moderator problem.

Yes, about half the kids will graduate, get good jobs and become Republicans. Happens all the time.

[rodeodance]

54. I have seen several here on DU do just that.

[UALRBSofL]

77. OzarkDem I hear what your saying but

Where is there a site that is very calm, peaceful, and has both Obama and Hillary supporters discussing issues and ways to win the presidency without all the hate the Obama supporters are spewing??? I mean it's kind of nice to have people to post to that have different opinions then I do because after a while it gets a little overdone when everyone agrees. But this is getting a little ridiculous. I'd like to discuss strategies for the democratic party because I already know the republican party has there wheels rolling, or at least here in florida they have been working hard.

[sueragingroz]

8. they are desperate to get hillary out of the race before the big O

testifies at the rezko trial....

[dbonds]

20. The above post would be an example of the tactics

Whether planned or not, it is the same type of dirty tricks.

[L. Coyote]

30. Exactly. That's the point!

However, when I pull "dirty tricks" you don't know. Otherwise, I'm not doing it correctly.

[OzarkDem]

43. Aha! Didn't know

I suspected it had to do with getting Hillary out of the race, but assumed it was because Obama was taking orders from his funders or could no longer sustain his campaign on Hillary hate. His campaign is also trying to do pre-emptive damage control as they face a string of Clinton wins the next few weeks.

I didn't realize Rezko's trial might have something to do with it. Interesting.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. If Hillarys is "BREAKING - LINKED TO DEATH SQUAD!" (Greatest Page) I guess this must be true, too!

:rofl:


edit spelling

[rodeodance]

112. That one is beyond the pale and full of RECs--says a lot about DU

[dbonds]

13. Looks obvious to me.

Same tactics, same goals.

[crankychatter]

15. bad example, you win

I'm busted... couldn't MAKE myself read that one

glech

thanks

[MonkeyFunk]

23. did you bother to actually read that thread?

It was posted by an Obama supporter, btw.

[SwampG8r]

36. or was it?

whos to say that any gop infiltration is from obama supporters?
seems like the shits been stirred on both sides and to blame one more than the other is silly
if the GOP (republicans not the other GOP)wanted to get chaos going they need to work both sides of every equation and upset everyone

[MonkeyFunk]

did you read the thread?

You seem to have been duped.

[SwampG8r]

doh

i was responding to the OP somehow i responded to this post
sorry bout that

[Tellurian]

74. MF could you post a link before this thread is locked..

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. You might re-read the post/thread to which you refer.

Or maybe read it for the first time.

[ecdab]

28. The radical palestinian preacher in that particular OP was Jesus

just so you know - and it was posted by an Obama supporter. So that one isn't a good example.

GD:P can be a fairly immature place, that much is obvious. So many threads are started just to take a dig at the other sides supporters. It's childish tit for tat stuff - it's the way the internet seems to work.

[patrice]

69. Some DO get BORED and then they move on to other things to do. Like STOP McCheney!!

:hi:

[crankychatter]

47. use these examples instead

-Obama, Wright, and Hamas
-While Barack was having his palms greased by his slumlord friend
-Obama tied to another racist, homophobe who is supposedly an Obama superdelegate
-Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
-WTF?? "Enquirer Claims Obama Behind Murder of Gay Choir Director of His Church"
-Am I a "typical white person?"
-How Obama-Demographic Yuppies Perpetuate Racism
-That Obamamaniacs will blame Hillary for ANYTHING
-The New "Religious Left"
-Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away
-Kerry Wants Obama To Give Power To Islam
-Obama's Brownshirt Tactics
-Obama: Your own personal Jesus
-Barack Obama won't be visiting his ailing grandmother this Easter.
-Obama: My Grannie's a typical white person. !!
-Obama remark stereotyping "typical white person" seen as racist by some
-Obama Still Considers Rezko a Friend
-Barack Obama: Toxic Mentors Start to Corrode
-Obama: Exploitive and Wrong About Rev. Wright
-Would People Please Stop Blaming the Rev. Wright For Obama's Mistake?
-Could someone explain to me the attributes of the typical black person?
-Barack Obama and George W. Bush - Brothers in Voter Disenfranchisement
-Hey Obamabots suckers!!! Bill Richardson says Clinton Was Not Questioning Obama's Patriotism(video)
-The Obama Strategy: Victory By Voter Suppression
-Obama's Avalanche of LIES
-Calling all typical white people, if any left on Du to check in!
-Judas Richardson Does Nasty for Fox
-Rev. Wright, the US government did not inject African-American men with syphilis
-Why does Clinton do so well with blue collar whites?
-Are you typical of your ethnicity? (Poll)
-What exactly was Obama's drug use in the 90's?
-Obama papers confirm Rezko tie
-The Reverend Wright controversy is not going away...
-The cult of Godbama prayer thread.
-March 14, 2008,Obama released a new list of Rezko-related campaign contributors- I't GROWING SHEEPLE
-Post here if you are desperate to be added to the Obamaton "Final Solution" list
-Obamatons...
-Obama's Neoconservative Foreign Policy Agenda
-Obama tied to another racist, homophobe who is supposedly an Obama superdelegate
-Obama goes on vacation when going gets tough. Signs of weakness in campaign.
-Zionist Organization of America asks Obama to quit his church
-Obama runs a negative campaign while claiming to take the high road.

and at the top of the list...

-New movement: IF IT'S BROWN, FLUSH IT DOWN!

[crankychatter]

49. like that "radical palestinian preacher said"

"strain at a gnat, swallow a camel"

pharisees

[patrice]

18. This place has been wall-to-wall Rovian-Wanabees for several months.

I think it's still a regular stop on a certain kind of user's internet routes, peddaling their BULLSHIT. They're not that hard to recognize. They also stage "Wars" that are nothing but other Trolls putting on a big display and making people (who buy into their BShitting DEADLY DAMNED GAMES!!!) angry, so they end up wasting a great deal of time, and making some things worse by displaying a BAD model for the behavior of others (very anti-Golden Rule people) is another Basic Hallmark of this type of user.

It's odd how these Rovian Trolls don't really seem to believe in ANYTHING, which you can recognize by their lack of respect for the Truth.

P.S. This particular Edwards-ian Deanocrat is ready willing and ABLE to SETTLE!!! their BuSHIT!!!

WE ARE NOT YOUR PRIVATE WAR SLAVES!!!


Solidarity, DU!

[caledesi]

25. I agree! NT

[IDemo]

22. I have always found the 'paid RNC operative' posts laughable

The idea that any political party would feel it an effective strategy to cast doubt, anger or confusion among the readers of an online message board by planting moles here is ludicrous.

[MADem]

39. I always thought they were losers who lived in their Mom's basement, myself.

I picture the overweight, thirty-something, Cheetoh-eating loser who can't find a job, is pissed because "Ma" makes him take out the trash and mow the lawn for his keep, and who takes out his rage at the world on "librul" people on the "internets."

Sort of like that Chad Castagana assclown who sent the envelopes of laundry detergent powder to all the "libruls" he didn't like. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0214082chad1.html

[IDemo]

41. LOL, my image exactly. Cheetohs has no idea how much they owe the troll community

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

126. That's how I see it too. Many DUers vastly underestimate the power of slacker

angst and boredom!

[L. Coyote]

46. It wasn't funny when they were caught inside DNC Headquarters planting listening devices.

It wasn't funny when the Arkansas Project was fully funded...

How much money was spent on the Arkansas Project?

It isn't funny today as "Operation Chaos" continues unabated even when it advocates felonious breaking of the law.

I find your view naive. Maybe that's because I've sent out my secret agents to the Republicans.

[OzarkDem]

52. Agree, its a realistic scenario

and one I suspected would happen eventually. I don't know why anyone would be surprised at these kinds of tactics. Its really not hard to control with good policies for moderating the forums.

[UALRBSofL]

85. OzarkDem could you email me as well

Thank You :)

[IDemo]

68. Big difference between targeting DNC headquarters

and a message board. You grant DU and yourself far too much importance in the grand scheme of electoral politics.

[L. Coyote]

142. The difference is irrelevant. If the targeting is happening, it is happening.

I'm not commenting on the importance of DU.
I'm commenting on how this appears.

That said, the Watergate burglary is evidence of RNC corruption, not the limit of it!
We only know, with certainty, about the stuff they get caught doing. Are you saying that's all they do/did?

[patrice]

55. Everyone cannot do that. I think there is some learning going on.

It would be interesting to count changes in types/classes of replies that users manifest.

[JohnnyLib2]

29. Not so sure about operatives or trolls, but---

I'm very concerned about blatant 'cannibalism' on display -- in print -- for the MSM or RNC or RW mouthpieces to pick up and use. November is a long way off......

Edit: no need to use the "don't care what others think" argument. Sometimes that really does matter.

[blondeatlast]

129. A poster from Daily Kos was just quoted on "Real Time with Bill Maher"--

they quoted an anonymous poster who said they would vote for their unfavored candidate--and then leave the country! They survived Bush, but would bolt for Obama or Clinton--wow.

If that quote is true (and from what I've seen here on DU, I can believe it), that's just sad and wrong and stup[id--and now--public.

[JohnnyLib2]

138. Sigh. It's just too easy.

[goldcanyonaz]

31. I've always stated that the GOP needs to look no further than this forum to defeat us this November.

[rodeodance]

71. very true

[mtnsnake]

33. If a large percentage of posters on GDP aren't rightwing moles, then who the heck are they?

Those particular ones sure as hell aren't Democrats because SURELY there are no Democrats I have ever seen in real life who would EVER spew half the nonsense and outright hateful shit, lies, and propaganda about the Clintons as what is spewn about them here on this forum 24/7 by a large number of posters. If the ones spouting the hateful vile venom 24/7 aren't trolls/moles, then they are simply nutcases, one or the other.

[MADem]

50. Young punks, having "fun" by being disruptive, perhaps?

College Republicans, having a laugh?



I find the whole concept of "College Republicans" astounding, myself. With a WAR on, too! If these little shits are this selfish and cynical NOW, imagine what they'll be when they reach ripe middle or old age!

[Froward69]

56. I say DRAFT

Young Republicans!

[patrice]

114. ONLY if there is a Non-violent Service (that is NOT just support for the KILLING).

With long periods of enrollment without crossing back and forth between Violent and Non-Violent categories of Serivce.

Though my personal position is for no Draft - ever - for CHARGE AND SPEND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, because then there will never be any stopping the Military Industrial Con-plex.

Abortion would be a sacrament that denies Wars 'R Us more Cannon Fodder in a universal Draft U.S..

[OzarkDem]

59. It's so much rehashed 90's Clinton propaganda

though I'm willing to attribute some of it to newly minted Dem political activists who were too young at that time to fully understand how much of the Scaife funded propaganda wasn't true.

[L. Coyote]

76. Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

For those who are not well-informed about the Arkansas Project:

Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral
Jun-02-07 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1029113

[ecdab]

34. It a bunch of childish tit for tat stuff. Hillary supporters need to calm

down fellow Hillary supporters and Obama supporters need to calm down fellow Obama supporters. Some folks on both sides will remain immune to being calmed down, that just the way the internet works. Every day dozens of silly and intellectually dishonest threads get started by both Hillary and Obama supporters - it would be nice to see the number of such threads reduced, but as long as there is one such thread there will be two because there will always be people that can not resist the tit for tat.

[SwampG8r]

44. and i hate to say it but

a lot of us on the left never cared for the clintons
too much triangulation and drama for what we got
so maybe and i know its true in my case
we feel like we can finally say what we have secretly felt about them and her out loud
for the first time without feeling like we are letting the party down
i swallowed a lot of bile because of their antics in the 90s as did many others
we had to
for the good of the party
so i dont find it fully suprising when some dems clobber her

as you can see i am not a hillary supporter
and can only speak for myself on this
i will however in the future try to make sure that there is a valid policy point attached to my contempt for hillary
its not like she hasnt given dems plenty of reasons to vote against her
her voting record itself is her worst critic

[OzarkDem]

63. According to your profile

You found this site and like it because of all the Clinton bashing and are turning others onto it too?

[SwampG8r]

88. where did you read that?

that aint my profile your reading mine says i enjoy the site and have turned others on to it
thats a good thing
im involving other dems to make their voices heard
you must be "mis-speaking"
but whatever
dont let the real world distract you from your mission

[UALRBSofL]

90. OzakrDem BINGO Do Not Trust Anyone From Florida

Because they most likely are a Republican mole except for me. I mean, I find most Obama supporters that live in Florida suspect. :rofl:

[SwampG8r]

99. sigh

:eyes: :shrug: :tinfoilhat:

[OzarkDem]

164. Welcome to DU

:eyes:

[GoneOffShore]

169. Kind of the same way I don't trust folks with their profile disabled.

:hi:

[ecdab]

78. Oh, I'm not a Hillary supporter. In fact I'm squarely behind Obama

at this point. I simply prefer to see people make their choices for honest reasons (and I'm not suggesting that you have done otherwise - I have never talked with you before, at least I don't think I have) and I prefer to see people addressing the positive and negative attributes of the candidates (again - in an honest fashion, there are certainly many attempt to address these in a dishonest fashion here, but also many attempts to do so honestly) as opposed to trying to paint the supporters of the candidates as this, that or the other thing - there is a lot of that going on here.

[SwampG8r]

96. sorry

i dont mean i disagreed with your post at all
i was trying to explain the source, as i believe it,of much of the antipathy towards hillary
and thats just as i see it anyway
i dont have polling to back it up
lol
nice to meet you
and your post was indeed most eloquently stated

[MADem]

95. Who are you? I've never seen you before....and don't include me in your

"a lot of US" nonsense, while later claiming to "only speak for yourself."

If you want to see the latest in triangulation, have a look at Obama. He makes Bill Clinton look like an amateur.

[SwampG8r]

102. so

when i speak for myself im not speaking for myself???:eyes:

[MADem]

103. Not when you start out by saying 'a lot of US'--I'm not in your "us." NT

[SwampG8r]

111. when i say a lot of us the inference is that i dont

mean all of us

and im pretty sure that when i say im only speaking for myself the inference is im only speaking for myself


is english your 2nd language?

[MADem]

121. I thought it was yours, actually. nt

[SwampG8r]

122. sigh

your just a silly lil distraction arent you?

[MADem]

125. I see I was correct.

Atrocious spelling and grammar....sigh, indeed.

[11 Bravo]

148. If MADem is a silly distraction, then as a contributor to this site ...

he or she has been a valued one for nearly 4 years. Tell me, oh sage and starless one, how have you enjoyed your month here at DU?

[druidity33]

158. seniority, sir

Does not necessarily imply a better grasp of reality.

Semantics may be a favorite pastime of yours, and MADem's... but we do not all share that grace.

Go easy on the newbie, stop poking him just because you can.


:hi:

[SwampG8r]

177. not as much as ive enjoyed my 36 years of street work for this party

and thats the truth
hard enough to be a dem in florida to begin with but when i found a forum for free democratic thought i hoped i would find fellow helpful dems
instead i have found an amazing array of really rude and thoughtless people who attack their own
i have to hope that my contact with some here wont color the work i do every day with mailings phone banks and fundraisers
im sure posting here for 4 years beats my actual hands on work tho

[mtnsnake]

149. I see you're from Satellite Beach

My wife and I stayed there for a night while on vacation. Holy fuck, had I known about the rocks out there in the water I would never have gone out there body surfing in front of our hotel. Ouch!! Beautiful place, but we packed up and spent the rest of the week up in Cocoa Beach where there weren't any rocks.

Hows the fishing?

[SwampG8r]

178. pompano and snook

cocoa beach?man you got cheesed any beach on patrick air force base has a sand bottom
and pretty nice pickanick tables and such what
or you can go south to north indialantic and thats got a nice bottom
you must have hit the beach with the low tide lol


also we replaced our state rep in this district with a dem
ran the repub out of office
and finaly the POS weldon isnt running so we are working hard to get that seat too

but i guess i wasted the last 4 years making stuff like this happen
from what i read above lol

[patrice]

128. It is not logically implied that you are included in such a statement. nt

[MADem]

133. It is not logically implied that I am not, either.

He starts out presuming to speak for "a lot of us" and ends up speaking for himself.

He would have been better off sticking to his own knitting.

[patrice]

135. You're the only one who knows the reality of it.

Truth, WHATEVER it REALLY is, is inevitable by definition, though not **necessarily** valid, nor invalid, through "induction". Though people state things inductively quite a bit of the time.

[patrice]

109. I hear you. The Issues have to do with a characteristic known as "judgement".

Not a small matter.

[patrice]

132. what you said ecdab!

:applause:

[rodeodance]

57. Having the Clinton Death watch on the Front page is very Right Wingish!

[OzarkDem]

65. 100%

There's no other way to call it.

[patrice]

80. ? Limbaugh's Candidate ? They wouldn't be celebrating her "demise".

Oh I get it, HC's new economic proposals sound like SOCIALISM to the RW.

:think:

[rodeodance]

107. nothing in your foolish rant to respond to.

? Limbaugh's Candidate ? They wouldn't be celebrating her "demise".
Posted by patrice


Oh I get it, HC's new economic proposals sound like SOCIALISM to the RW.

[patrice]

117. And what do you call what you just did?

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

139. Got anything intelligent to fix your original post?

And what do you call what you just did?

[LulaMay]

83. It upset & scared me. I messaged that it should be taken down immediately. It stayed up...

don't know if it was ever removed or locked.


When I looked after I messaged mods, it was still there.

[rodeodance]

110. it was up there for a long time

[patrice]

134. Promote resentment much? nt

[rodeodance]

136. Yes, having that ugly post up did promote resentment

Promote resentment much? nt

[patrice]

137. And when it happens to the "other" "guy"? nt

[UALRBSofL]

60. If this is true then we should start with the Obama supporters

Because 90% of the hate posts come from them. If this isn't true then it means the Obama supporters are just hateful in general and probably in real life as well.

[rodeodance]

97. Yes, good post

[mtnsnake]

98. You nailed it

90% of the hate posts come from them. If this isn't true then it means the Obama supporters are just hateful in general and probably in real life as well.

Yup, exactly. If they're not that, then they're just moles who are here putting on the act of being Obama supporters for purpose of spewing lies and vitriol about the Clintons, something that has always been a top priority of the Right Wing neocons who are so jealous of the great job that Bill Clinton did that they can't stand the thought of his wife coming in to continue his fine effort. The reasons for their hatred are numerous, including their fear of losing tax breaks, losing out on environmental regulation, losing their corporate advantages from the war effort, to outright jealousy.

[patrice]

105. Let's ask one another to guide personal behaviors by the Golden Rule.

To me, that's one of the most obvious tip-offs = NOT treating others the ways that you DEMAND that they treat you. HYPOCRISY - with whatever current labels are available to put a persona on it.

All of us need to FIRST recognize hypocrisy in our individual selves and then at least ASK others what they're doing when you see hypocrisy in actions around you + Use it in public discourse with "our" "leaders" including the pResident.

[patrice]

119. The internet is not real life. There are no logical necessities in inductive processes.

Especially for folks who don't post under their real identities.

:rofl:


Any rationalist knows There are nothing but hypotheses. Point to your absolutes and I'll name your Idolatry.

[bvar22]

72. CLUE: Dem candidates are bashing Dem candidates.

DU is only a reflection.
As soon as Hillary drops out, we can unite and beat Republicans.
As long as Hillary and her camp followers cling to an impossible dream, the attrition will continue, the Party will stay divided, and the Republicans will continue to get stronger.




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Lannigan]

82. It's not an impossible dream.

Sorry, there's still several races left. We are divided 50/50 on this. Calling for her to drop out is wrong. This needs to go through to the end, no matter how bitter it gets.

I hate quitters.

[bvar22]

123. We are NOT divided 50/50.

That is a serious delusion.

Obama has an insurmountable lead in ALL significant metrics.

[bowens43]

73. complete nonsense.

If you think for even a moment that DU has any influence out side of these pages, you're delusional. The RNC would not waste it's time and preciously scarce money on something like that. We are extremely passionate people who are very vocal about our beliefs. What you are seeing here is nothing more then the frustration that comes bubbling to the surface during an abnormally long and close primary battle.

[L. Coyote]

87. Ohh, thanks, but I already know I'm delusional

The government told me that after they tortured me, sexually abused me, drugged me,
deprived me of my clothing, and forced me to wear a pink dress.
:rofl: However, my delusions DO NOT alter some facts. :rofl:

DU really HAS influence outside of these pages. One example,
Google rank is high, and good posts (lots of keywords, etc) get hits.
Ask Skinner how many referrals are from google.com!

The Freepers even have a domain based on DU and discussing DU, their DU trolls, etc....

Truly, DU is mainly for DUers, but your characterization is what Freepers would have us believe.

[Swamp Rat]

89. What pathetic creatures.

:dunce:

[mtnsnake]

118. I don't disagree with what you said about DU's influence outside these pages

...or lack of, but this goes way beyond the Primary season. The anti-Clinton hatred that we're experiencing during this primary battle started long before the primaries ever started. This place became infested with those seeking to destroy the Clintons at least 3 or 4 years ago and increased to a feverish pitch once Hillary was rumored to becoming a candidate.

[Warren Stupidity]

75. Just a wild guess: you weren't at the 68 police riots. nt.

[JohnnyLib2]

79. I thought the OP made a good point: Nixon won, following that episode.

Only time will tell, but I suspect the internet battles have replaced street demonstrations of the 60s. The great voting public will use impressions based on fleeting images.....

[Warren Stupidity]

86. The OP characterized it as 'caused by agent provocateurs'.

Unless one counts uniformed police officers and national guards as 'agent provacateurs' that is just bullshit. Humphrey and his support for the Really Fucked up War of My Generation was what tore the party apart. Having some manchurian candidate automaton whack RFK didn't help either. Oh and there was that little matter of shooting and killing Dr. King. You had to have been there.

[JohnnyLib2]

100. Wasn't there. The people I met on the bus returning to Nashville

to take to an anti-war rally were sort of in shock. Most felt f*ed by the powers-that-be after that. But I also remember how many uninvolved, more compliant "elders" were appalled by the tv scenes. And Nixon won.
I don't want to see that with McCain.

[OzarkDem]

120. The agent provocateur story surfaced in many demonstrations

including Kent State.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Gngfji0WGuMJ:www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/%3Fid%3D316+agent+provocateur+kent+state&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

[L. Coyote]

130. It is easy to meet these agents. Just start an organization opposing war.

They show up.

Denying that infiltration is a reality is either delusional or symptomatic of being uninformed.

[SwampG8r]

106. dont forget

that mayor daly was a dem bigwig
those cops moved in on his orders
and the street trouble started after .....

the nomination was stolen for humphrey in a backroom deal by party insiders

mc carthys own headquarters was raided before the election by the chicago pd

i recommend hunter s thompsons "fear and loathing on the campaign trail '72" to anyone interested
the first few chapters have a lot of info about the 68 convention and massacre,
and what happens to the party when you try to deny the will of the people

[L. Coyote]

108. Of course NOT! I was employed by a candidate, working for a DEM victory,

My candidate, RFK, was assassinated.

I moved on and started working for another campaign and candidate. I was busy full-time plus,
working hard to replace a hawk R Senator with an anti-war candidate.

I knew full well, our candidate and other anti-war candidates took a huge hit due to those events.

My guess, you were not there either. What were you doing?

[Warren Stupidity]

153. I was there.

I worked on the McCarthy campaign over my spring vacation. King got shot, riots across the land, Bobby got shot, the war went from fucked to totally fucked, The Democratic Party took a dump on the peace movement, and we went to Chicago to protest. The police showed up with orders to bust heads and proceeded to do so from day one.

[Neshanic]

81. No, I would say delusional Obama supporters Hell bent on throwing everything out the window for

their saviour.

[rodeodance]

113. I think that is the true. A few trolls here and there.

[dailykoff]

141. What's breaking is your grasp of reality. Hillary is the ringer

and the one who relies on ringers to give her campaign credibility. How many Clinton fans here are in fact ringers is a subject we're not allowed to discuss and I'm fine with that.

[L. Coyote]

143. What is a "ringer" anyway? Salvation Army at the store front comes to mind ....

[dailykoff]

146. A plant.

Like the "college student" in the audience who asks a planted question.

[L. Coyote]

151. Okay, now I know the post makes no sense.

[Eurobabe]

147. I have so many freaks on ignore

its not funny anymore. A good 50% of the people on this thread come up as IGNORED.

When are we going to start attacking the REAL enemy? The GOPers?

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

150. I stay away from GD-P. This AM, the HOME page was too much.

Those of us employed by anti-war campaigns in 1968 know who defeated us, and how they did it.

Those who were not there then, or not born yet, perhaps need to learn
the lesson the hard way, by bringing down and defeating your own party. NOT recommended!!!!!

Or, perhaps they should take advice from someone outside this fracas, "Go to your corner."

What the anti-war demonstrations accomplished in Chicago was four more years
of Nixon (and fron-man Ford) and Vietnam. So, who were they after all????

[L. Coyote]

154. FINAL COMMENT: Four hours, 154 posts, 2078 views for this thread.

Compare that to the post I made at the same time

"Stop the "Nuclear Weapons Forever" Program"
1 reply, 26 views.

ARE WE FOCUSED YET? Too distracted to counter Bushco?

Or, is this just DU? -- just a bunch of howler monkeys hurling feces at the howlers on the other branch?

I've done this experiment before, on a larger scale, with similar results:

Are DU readers and participants susceptible to Psychological Operations?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1025175

[Mezzo]

155. This shit would be funny if it weren't true.

Unfortunately, most of the so called reich are long time posters who have sacrificed sanity for kool aide.

[pathansen]

156. K&R

[Forkboy]

160. LOL..funny seeing some of the worst offenders of this agreeing in this thread.

:rofl:

[GoneOffShore]

170. I don't see them anymore

Just a lot of replies to "Ignored".

So much on this board recently has been a lot of "sound and fury signifying nothing."

[Jim Lane]

166. I'm sure it's a combination of provocateurs and overzealous Dems

Some Obama supporters and some Clinton supporters have indeed gotten too carried away with their opposition to the other Democrat. Everybody should try to remember that, whichever candidate you prefer, the opponent is far superior to McCain.

That said, I have some reason to believe that there are deliberate provocations posted here. My belief is based on my certain knowledge that some of the attacks on McCain that have been posted on Free Republic have come from me, posing as a RW loyalist who considers McCain insufficiently conservative. :)

My provocations at FR blend in with the sincere grievances of the real conservatives there. Freepers who try the same thing here benefit from the same phenomenon -- DUers who prefer one Dem over another and who get vicious about the disfavored Dem.

[bridgit]

168. word! k&r'd...

:kick:

[madrchsod]

171. i love the right wing sources used as arguments

do they think no one will read the links or google the author? there was one this morning that linked to a site that had this.....






just who are the real racists?

[butterfly77]

175. I could have told you that for months,,,

they have been on board for months causing confusion...

[totodeinhere]

179. Is DU that important in the scheme of things that the RW would even bother infiltrating?

I would venture a guess that most Democrats haven't even heard of DU. I know that until recently I hadn't and I'm a life long Democrat.

[tomp]

181. you should take it as a given that powers that be....

....leave no stone unturned and leave nothing to chance (please note that "the powers that be" = repubs, repub-lite, and all the anonymous string pullers behind the scenes).

the "people" (read: everyone else) are alwys castigated and labeled as crazy radicals, naive idealists, and/or traitors, when we fight for what is right, or when we get as "nasty" as the powers that be.

the powers that be will be ANYWHERE there is opposition to the powers that be, and that has never been more true than in the era of the internet.

disclosure: i support neither obama nor clinton.

[L. Coyote]

182. The WWW is very, very important politically, and has altered election outcomes.

The question is not so much one with DU at the center of cyberspace politically,
but one of whether or not the WWW is a political playing field for that type of activity.
I know of no other venue of political activism where operating covertly is easier.

I would like to see a tectonic shift in online political fora, DU esp., towards attaching identity to activity.

There should be a higher level of credibility, and a higher level of site visibility built in, for those who
identify themselves individually. I would much rather know if a speaker is a real Dem, been registered as
one for life maybe, worked as a volunteer in campaigns, been employed for candidates or office holders, etc.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure if the poster is a spoiled Republican teenager in Orange County, a tech worker in New Delhi,
a Dem in DC, or a paid infiltrator assuming numerous identities and disrupting political discourse on the swing shift.

[yurbud]

183. Did you see the recent article on the Pentagon figuring out how to neutralize BLOGS?

DU has far more readers than most individual blogs combined.

There has also been an open effort to recruit astroturf bloggers for businesses, so it's not a stretch to think there would be astroturf posters here since they can get a lot of eyeballs for little effort.

There have been a couple of times when there have been obvious floods of shills in here. The one that stands out the most to me was when the Jeff Gannon, gay prostitute posing as a reporter in the White House, story broke out. Any thread asking if he had sexual clients in the White House and who they might be was would get hit with a barrage of replies claiming it was homophobic to ask, and they would ignore questions asking about the hypocrisy angle of a president who got so much political mileage out of beating up on gays might be gay himself.

The other time you can get bot responses, almost verbatim every time, is post anything encouraging a GENERAL STRIKE, which is used very effectively in Europe over and over, but is virtually unknown here.

[juajen]

184. It isn't only DU that has been infected. Get a grip!

NT