Does Anyone Have the ACTUAL TEXT of "Why America May Go To Hell"?

[NashVegas]

With nothing but a title to go on, and a title that can be taken at least two very different ways, it seems really crazy and really presumptuous to equate King's speech to Wright's speech.

[izzybeans]

1. God Damn America and Going to Hell, in theory, are the same thing.

No text sorry.

[Skinner]

2. The text would be interesting to read. But this OP is missing my point.

I addressed this issue in the other thread, right below your post. See here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5390482&mesg_id=5393895

[NashVegas]

5. Maybe We're All Missing Each Others

Sorry, didn't see that. When I went searching for the text, I found numerous references to the speech; many from 2004-2005, but even more in just the past two weeks, in reference to this flap.

Without knowing whether King was calling America damned, as Wright did, or voicing a fear that it could be if certain crap didn't stop, it's presumptuous to point to the Wright speech and imply, "see, King was going to say the same thing, and he has a holiday," as some seem to be doing.

[Skinner]

6. In case it wasn't clearr: That was not my intent.

My point was simply that perhaps one or two quotes is not enough to paint a complete picture of anyone.

[NashVegas]

10. Got It

Replied over there.

[patrice]

3. I was raised genuinely Conservative Catholic > Assuming you can't/don't go to Hell is Blasphemy. nt

The thing about the Christ is that, to all appearances, there was NO quid pro quo.

[patrice]

4. And assuming that Others do IS also Blasphemy. Some "American" churches are a Great Failure. nt

[bluedog]

7. text from MSNBC

"If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty, to make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to Hell…."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23947058/

[george_maniakes]

8. I thought america was already going to hell for the native-american thing? n/t

[NashVegas]

12. Thanks

It's doesn't say it's the exact text but seems to contain some of what it probably would have been.

[kevinmc]

14. Thanks for the link n/t

[patrice]

9. Also, assuming Un-known Others Elsewhere can DIE for your _______ (fill in the blank) IS Damnable.

It's called Murder.

And the fact that "we" EVEN still have people who pray thanks-to-God that those people ARE DYING, conveniently out of your eye-sight and NOT a problem to your Neighborhood Association - Let me make this perfectly clear; I have talked to people who ARE THANKFUL OTHERS ARE DYING for them - ANY Others: CHILDREN, Women, the Elderly, Young Adults, and Men because " _____________ isn't Free as long as SOMEONE ELSE PAYS THE PRICE.

I was raised in a home in which my Mother had us on our knees 7 days a week and Mass 6 days a week. In TRADITIONAL Judeo-Christian Mores and Classic discussions of Ethics and Logic: "Our" Wars R US attitude is putting our individual and collective souls at serious risk of DAMNATION.

I actually talked to someone in my community who did not know what I was talking about when I referred to the $$$$$$$$$$ and OIL Business financing DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ---------> Huge REFUGEE Populations continuing to SUFFER for however long, for whatever "reason" . . . . . Meets my definition of HELL.

NGU, All!

[patrice]

11. Conservatives believe Behaviors have Consequences, not all of which are under your control. Hell is

concretely Real.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. I'll wager that Dr King doesn't srceam "God DAMN America!" or "The US of KKK-A!" is his speech.

Safe bet, don't you think?

[george_maniakes]

16. Your arguement is what, king shared the same point of view but was more politically correct?

Sure id agree with that.

But i think your not really looking for agreement.

[MethuenProgressive]

17. What a silly thing for you to say.

Please stop supporting Hate by preaching Pastor Wright is Dr. King's equal.

[george_maniakes]

18. what a ridiculous thing for you to say.

please stop supporting lies by saying i said wright is kings equal. I said "Your arguement is what, king shared the same point of view but was more politically correct?"

Where on earth in that phrase do you see me saying wright is kings equal in anything? I said if your point is that wright and king shared the same point of view, as in america was guilty of genocide, but wrights approach to talking about it was not PC, than we would be in agreement.

And then i said i dont think your really looking for agreement, and your following post does a good job of supporting that idea.

[patrice]

15. Proof positive that MANY Churches are Feel-Good Businesses = "Christians" think "Salvation" is

quid pro quo - When that clearly was NOT Jesus's experience.

Assuming "Salvation" IS Blasphemy; the fact that most "Christians" don't recognize this is proof positive that many many churches are Feel-Good Businesses.

[wsmyth]

19. From a different King Sermon

The following is from

Martin Luther King Jr.: "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"
Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967:


And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."

Now it isn't easy to stand up for truth and for justice. Sometimes it means being frustrated. When you tell the truth and take a stand, sometimes it means that you will walk the streets with a burdened heart. Sometimes it means losing a job...means being abused and scorned. It may mean having a seven, eight year old child asking a daddy, "Why do you have to go to jail so much?" And I've long since learned that to be a follower to the Jesus Christ means taking up the cross. And my bible tells me that Good Friday comes before Easter. Before the crown we wear, there is the cross that we must bear. Let us bear it--bear it for truth, bear it for justice, and bear it for peace. Let us go out this morning with that determination. And I have not lost faith. I'm not in despair, because I know that there is a moral order. I haven't lost faith, because the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.