Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells

[DogPoundPup]

Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee.

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

Linda M. Weiss, a spokeswoman for the not-for-profit hospital, said the Clinton campaign had never contacted the hospital to check the accuracy of the story, which Mrs. Clinton had first heard from a Meigs County, Ohio, sheriff’s deputy in late February.

The sheriff’s deputy, Bryan Holman, had played host to Mrs. Clinton in his home before the Ohio primary. Deputy Holman said in a telephone interview that a conversation about health care led him to relate the story of Ms. Bachtel. He never mentioned the name of the hospital that supposedly turned her away because he did not know it, he said.Deputy Holman knew Ms. Bachtel’s story only secondhand.

HOW COULD HILLARY BE SO SLOPPY WITH THE TRUTH? :think:

[DogPoundPup]

1. oops, here's the link

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?ei=5090&en=7824b4f8ea3b363d&ex=1365134400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1207415165-eWntieevec/05AwZK589vg

[MannyGoldstein]

2. The Clintons And The Truth Are Not Close Friends

I had the privilege of working on an opposition campaign (Tsongas) in 1992. It was *amazing* to us how The Clintons lied so often and so effortlessly. The general voting public had little knowledge of this because Big Media was playing it down. Unfortunately we didn't have the Internet back then, which has made research, and the spreading of information, much easier.

[DogPoundPup]

5. Which is the essence of my post...

With the internet doing double duty checking accuracy of the "news"...WHY WOULD HER CAMPAIGN not confirm these stories before letting her go on repeating them?

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

7. I'll trust Hillary before I'll trust the hospital

particularly if when the patients died from lack of medical care.

[emilyg]

10. So will I.

[DogPoundPup]

15. You get your tin foil hat at the same gop garage sale

as OzarkDem ?

[DemVet]

37. You're the one....

...that sounds GOP with your viscious attacks on a fellow Dem.

[DogPoundPup]

38. No sir! Hillary is A Republican, republiecon

in my eyes! Yessiree! She even endorsed McCain is she couldn't be the nominee for party she SAYS she wants to represent. AND she is the viscious attacker using all Rove's tricks to do her attacking. So don't label me bucko...take a good look at her!

[DemVet]

39. My Point is proven.

[DogPoundPup]

41. You haven't proven diddily shlt!

My posting a mainstream news article stating the facts and Hill's exaggerations... AND POINTING OUT THE INCOMPETENCE OF HER CAMPAIGN STAFF who lazily didn't check for facts in the tragic story of a woman's after giving birth ...AND that HILLARY LIKED THE STORY of (as pointed out in the NYT's article)>><<“I mentioned this story to Senator Clinton, and she apparently took to it and liked it,” Deputy Holman said, “and one of her aides said she’d be using it at some rallies.”<<

IS NOT, fyi, "viscious"!!!... and the correct spelling of that would be (((vicious))). Are you sure you're not the stupid republican or con?

[quantass]

43. .

[quantass]

46. .

[DogPoundPup]

13. Where can I get a used tin foil hat

like the one you're wearin'?

[PoliticalAmazon]

14. With all of Hillary's lies, you'll trust her over a hospital? That kind of...

...gullibility is what got Bush Jr elected twice!

Don't go by what candidates say, for heaven's sake. Look at their past actions because it is their past actions that predict what they will do in the future.

[mod mom]

30. Even after the pattern: Bosnia, Irish Peace Process, NAFTA?

[DogPoundPup]

33. Unlike bushie though, thank goodness

her e-x-a-g-g-e-r-a-t-i-o-n-s are luckily showing up now instead of later. phew! :woohoo:

[mod mom]

35. It scary that some folks do appear to care.

:eyes:

[superkia]

11. The Clintons and the word truth in the same sentence just doesnt...

make any sense to me?

[QC]

3. There are already two or three threads about this on the front page.

Perhaps you could check for dupes before posting?

[DogPoundPup]

4. Perhaps...

But it is sooooo delicious. :popcorn:

[Yael]

32. Happy to kick and rec each and every one of them.

[OzarkDem]

6. The hospital may be trying to cover their arse

In my work, I know there are cases when this kind of thing happens. Hospitals do make mistakes, do try to charge patients co-pays and do refuse care when the patient can't come up with the cash. A good patient advocate can usually work their way through the chain of command at the hospital and find someone to reverse the decision, but distraught and frightened patients don't.

When you shine a light on these situations, the hospitals are quick to change the story, usually finding some way to blame the patient or an employee.

A sheriff's deputy in a small town is also a reliable source of information. He would know what took place when EMS was called. Here's an idea. Do a full investigation and find out what really happened.

The bottom line is the patient was pregnant, needed health care, tried to get it but didn't and she and her baby died as a result. Someone screwed up royally and I doubt the patient did such a thing on purpose.

[thewiseguy]

8. Or the hospital could be telling the truth?

Did you ever thought about that? No? Hillary can not possibly make a mistake?

[PoliticalAmazon]

16. Hospital would not make public statement on this issue unless they can back it up...

...Unlike Hillary Clinton, hospitals generally do not knowingly make public statements that are lies. They have too much at risk, including hell to pay from their Boards if they do.

They would NOT defy Hillary Clinton and her lies unless they had proof to back them up.

I cannot believe that Hillary's supporters are this gullible.

[mod mom]

31. Don't you think the NYT would check out the story?

[Orsino]

9. But it was in Ohio, right? n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

12. Medfical records are secret. Hillary could not have gotten them. How did the hospital release them?

Did the family agree?

[PoliticalAmazon]

18. General information not protected; specifics are. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

23. This is more than general. This is name, diagnosis the works.

[Zachstar]

17. I am sure PA voters will be happy to hear this.

I hope everyone sends it to the stations in PA the local news ought to be happy to report it.

[NJmaverick]

19. The story sounded fishy from the get go

No surprise this was another sniper moment.

[jenmito]

20. They just covered this on CNN! They said the hospital is demanding she stop repeating this false

story!

[pdxmom]

22. And they're saying this story may create more problems for her. N/T

[McCamy Taylor]

24. Only if fellow Dems act like Republicans.

[pdxmom]

25. That wasn't what CNN was saying in their analysis. I commented specifically

on how it was being presented on CNN. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[jenmito]

26. The story is false. The campaign just said they can't vet every story they're told. Hillary's

the one acting like a Repub. It's lie after lie with her!

[jenmito]

28. Yup-because it's playing into the bigger narrative that she's dishonest. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

21. She's a woman of many experiences that only her supporters appreciate - I guess.

She sounds like a story teller.

[Catherina]

27. Easily

[guruoo]

29. So you want to win so much you'd risk undermining the case for universal healthcare?

[QC]

34. Obama doesn't support universal healthcare, so it is no longer a progressive priority. n/t

[DogPoundPup]

36. No...she WANT'S TO WIN SO MUCH

she's willing to lie or fabricate or whatever you want to call it, to risk undermining the case for universal healthcare

[guruoo]

40. ROFL!

'But, but, but....' :rofl:

[quantass]

42. .

[OzarkDem]

44. The hospital is changing its story now..

Saying she didn't die at their hospital, but at one in Columbus.

But if they didn't treat her, how did they know she was "insured" and how did she end up at a hospital 75 miles away?

[truedelphi]

45. She could have gone there previously. Then they would have all her info. n/t