I'm a fighter! I'll fight for you! Help-the boys are ganging up on me!

[jenmito]

Talk about sending mixed messages! She throws the word "fighter" around all the time while also throwing out the gender/victim card. She wants the "blue-collar working white guy" to vote for her because she's so tough, yet she wants women to vote for her because she's being ganged up on. She can't be all things to all people, but she's trying-and people are buying it just enough to keep her in the game. :wtf:

[anonymous171]

1. Obama's passive-aggresive style makes it hard for her to be pure victim or pure fighter.

That's why he does it.

[jenmito]

4. Too bad she never counted on someone like him running for the job she thinks she deserves.

I just wish she'd be consistent-like Obama.

[C_U_L8R]

12. It's hardly passive-aggressive

Obama's more like a Ninja. His campaign is smart, swift and stunning;
leaving the Clinton campaign off-balance, weak and unfocused.
They really have no idea what hit 'em.

[woolldog]

2. I'm not angry about this nonsense anymore.

It's gotten to the point that I'm just embarrassed for her.

[jenmito]

10. I am...since it seems to still be working...

so many women "rally" behind her when she's perceived as the "victim."

[woolldog]

15. Yeah. I think she's set back the women's movement

with her behavior in this campaign.

[Sparkly]

16. She's got lots of support from women, though.

Do they not realize what you do, or what?

[woolldog]

19. Why do you think she loses men?

[Sparkly]

22. It's not because she sets the women's movement back.

That's what I was responding to.

[woolldog]

25. It's because she's become the female candidate.

And yes, that sets the women's movement back. It makes it harder for women to be taken seriously.

I have a hard time imagining Thatcher and Gold Meier playing the victim/gender card.

[Sparkly]

28. Well, I hope you can educate these poor women who support her

and are also feminists. :eyes:

I don't think it's about being "victim," as I said, but rather victor.

And I think "gender card" and "race card" are used to dismiss a lot of legitimate points of discussion about gender and race.

[woolldog]

30. I agree about the card thing

I try to avoid using those terms, but sometimes it's the most succinct way of expressing an idea.

A lot of the feminists that I've read Naomi Wolf, Melissa Harris Lacewell, for example, have made the same or similar points.

[PoliticalAmazon]

34. ITA. She is ruining it for future women candidates. n/t

[OzarkDem]

29. I thought you were talking about the rabid Hillary haters

Let them stew in their own juices.

[TomInTib]

3. There is good reason why it is called "casting about".

Or "flailing".

There are many different stages on the road to Desperation.

[jenmito]

6. Yeah-it's like she's going through the different stages of grief...

I just wish she wouldn't take the rest of the party down with her.

[TomInTib]

18. That is what is so tragic about all of this.

The damage caused by all of this will take many cycles to undo..

[jenmito]

20. Yup. That's why I wish she'd drop out already AND tell her supporters that

they should support Obama. Obama's classy in always saying Hillary's an honorable, tenacious opponent. I wish she had 1/10th of the class he has.

[Sparkly]

5. I really don't hear the "ganged up on" as victimhood.

I think she says it to show strength, pride, and the same "fighter" thing you mentioned.

[woolldog]

8. She's saying it to get women to feel sorry for her.

Like she's being treated unfairly and ganged up on b/c she's female.

[Sparkly]

13. Well, I'm sure she has been treated unfairly as a woman, throughout her life.

And she's achieved a lot of success. So I just don't hear it as either seeking pity or as getting pity.

[woolldog]

17. I'm sure she has to. But ovbiously Obama has experienced the same

if not more.

If he were in her position (behind in delegates, states won, popular vote) and complained about the "white establishment" trying to silence him, similar to the way Clinton is complaining about the boys club, everyone would cry foul and accuse him of playing the "race card". And rightly so. She's playing the gender/victimhood card.

[Sparkly]

21. You're right that it's a different effect, politically.

I was just posting in another discussion about this same thing yesterday. I still don't hear it as "complaining," but rather as a statement of triumph against adversity, kinda. I think the Obama camp realizes it could backfire if they were to "complain about the white establishment," as you put it.

[jenmito]

23. Exactly. Could you IMAGINE if Obama would say things like, "the white people are ganging up on me!"

:eyes: She has no shame.

[jenmito]

9. Really? How 'bout when her husband says it? When he says the boys love to beat up on a girl

or whatever he says like that? It's definitely to garner sympathy-not to show strength.

[Sparkly]

11. I don't know what he said exactly. nt

[jenmito]

14. I'll find one of his many posts where he calls her a girl, claiming the boys are ganging up on her.

[Yael]

7. That pretty much sums it up right there.

[SoCalDem]

24. poor baby

[anonymous171]

26. ROFL!

:rofl: :spray: Perfect

[Eurobabe]

27. I hate those silly comments. n/t

[jenmito]

31. She's at it again. "Beautiful rhetoric isn't going to stop the Repub. attack machine. But I'll

FIGHT for you! I've fought them for so many years and I'm still standing!" Fight fight fight! I'm a girl I'm a girl I'm a girl.

[Eurobabe]

35. Mommy the boys are being MEAN to ME!!

Wah!!!

Her comments will drive up her negatives, especially with men.

[jenmito]

37. I agree.

And I hate to see her doing this only because if by some miracle in her eyes, she gets the nomination, I'd have a VERY hard time voting for her.

[Whisp]

32. still with the Rocky thing...

o how embarassing.

'standing up for what we believe in...'
like cluster bombs, Hillary?
the Iraq war
the bankruptcy act
K/L
kissing bush anus?

etc etc, all this time you had a chance to fight for the people, but you only choose to start that fight now, in this campaign?

[jenmito]

38. It really IS embarrassing!

Why can't she just be herself?

[PoliticalAmazon]

33. Once again, Hillary wants to have it both ways...

...Also, you can be a fighter and not lie. You can be a fighter and still have integrity and ethics. You can be a fighter and not use Rove tactics.

[AtomicKitten]

36. Her schitick is creating conflict as subterfuge while trying to cut ahead of Barack on line.

[jenmito]

39. How 'bout that? HE'S winning and SHE'S trying to cut ahead of HIM!

Who woulda thunk it?!

[AtomicKitten]

40. That's "by any means necessary" up close and in your face.

And it isn't pretty. Ugh.

:hi:

[jenmito]

41. Yup. All explained away as "democracy" and "having all the states vote."

Where was she when she planned on "wrapping it up" on Feb. 5th?

Welcome back, AK! :hi: