Remember "SNUBGATE"? Why didn't that "bother" those who are now poo-pooing BOOKBAG GATE?

[FrenchieCat]

BIG STINK MADE BY CLINTON SUPPORTERS RIGHT HERE AT DU! NO LESS THAN 20 THREADS!



CBS NEWS & also story made it to the AP, and every other news organization known to men, including the cable Channels

Clinton-Obama: Ships Passing In The Night

Dem Foes Come Within A Foot Of Each Other At State Of The Union Speech, But Don't Speak

Clinton, clad in scarlet, crossed the aisle between their seats on the House floor. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Democratic icon who had endorsed Obama earlier in the day over Clinton, reached out his hand when she came close.

She took it; they shook. Meanwhile, Obama, dressed in a dark suit, had turned away.

The rivals then retreated to their seats, only the aisle and four senators between them.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/28/politics/main3762515.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3762515

At SOTU, Obama's Clinton snub was the news
Sen. Barack Obama refused to make himself available to greet Sen. Hillary Clinton before the speech.

When members of the Senate entered the chamber, Obama came in before Clinton. He went out of his way to greet as many House members as possible and walked halfway across the chamber to greet members of the Supreme Court, the president's cabinet, the military joint chiefs.

That made what happened next even more striking. Obama returned to stand by his seat next to Sen. Edward Kennedy who endorsed Obama today in a widely watched event that reverberated across the political world.

As Clinton approached, Kennedy made sure to make eye contact and indicated he wanted to shake her hand. Clinton leaned towards Kennedy over a row of seats and Kennedy leaned in towards her. They shook hands.

Obama stood icily staring at Clinton during this, then turned his back and stepped a few feet away. Kennedy may've wanted to make peace with Clinton but Obama clearly wanted no part of that.
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/by_frank_james_president_bush.html

[VolcanoJen]

1. Absolutely stupidest, dumbest, most idiotic waste-of-time "scanda" of the campaign season.

Damn you to hell, Frenchie!! I'd almost forgoten about it entirely!! :-)

[FrenchieCat]

4. It is ironic isn't it? That story seem to merit attention from DUers.....

and I believe it was the ruckus in here that actually got that nonsense covered by the mainstream news.

Now Hillary supporters are totally incensed that what Hillary tells the American people, whether a story about a girl dying, or whether she "hurled her book bag" could be even questioned by Obama supporters, who are being called "haters" right at this very minute. Clinton supporters must not realize that they are the ones that determined early on what was important, and what wasn't. But it appears that they have a double standard for Sen. Clinton.

[MADem]

7. The ruckus in here? Please.

That was THE story because it HAD PICTURES. The story was buzzing contemporaneously with the event--NOT because of the "rukus" in here.

:eyes:

Here, you want some Pants on Fire material, read this: http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03FA375F-3048-5C12-00CC7D33B6E8E59E

[FrenchieCat]

12. They only showed one picture......didn't they?

and they made sure that it was the one that would provide the illusion that Obama was turning his back on Hillary's hand.....when that is not how any of it occurred.

It was a sad chapter in pettiness that was supported and encouraged here at DU by Hillary supporters. You can try to change the subject of the current hypocrisy, but what is good for the gander then must be good for the goose. That's how I see it, anyhow.

It's one thing when we are bickering in here about non issues that matters to no one; it is quite another when the dumbshit becomes a leading news story carried via the AP wires all over the nation.

It appears that more than simply "Victim" Hillary and her long suffering abused supporters can play that game.

[MADem]

17. It was the PRESS, in the gallery, INDEPENDENT of one another, who brought it up--NOT DU.

They saw it, they said, PLAINLY, that there wasn't any "victim" crap going on--it WAS what it was--a snub--and the print media had a FIELD DAY with it--that's how WE found out about it.

Memories are funny things, I guess.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/by_frank_james_president_bush.html

Updated on 1/29/2008 at 10:20 am with MSNBC material.

by Frank James

So President Bush has delivered his last State of the Union. And what everyone in the House press gallery is talking about isn't the speech. Rather, it's the snub.

Sen. Barack Obama refused to make himself available to greet Sen. Hillary Clinton before the speech.

When members of the Senate entered the chamber, Obama came in before Clinton. He went out of his way to greet as many House members as possible and walked halfway across the chamber to greet members of the Supreme Court, the president's cabinet, the military joint chiefs.

That made what happened next even more striking. Obama returned to stand by his seat next to Sen. Edward Kennedy who endorsed Obama today in a widely watched event that reverberated across the political world.

As Clinton approached, Kennedy made sure to make eye contact and indicated he wanted to shake her hand. Clinton leaned towards Kennedy over a row of seats and Kennedy leaned in towards her. They shook hands.

Obama stood icily staring at Clinton during this, then turned his back and stepped a few feet away. Kennedy may've wanted to make peace with Clinton but Obama clearly wanted no part of that. ....


Update: On MSNBC this morning, David Axelrod, Obama's top campaign strategist, tried to explain away the snub in an interview with Joe Scarborough. Axelrod attempts to make it sound like a matter of a single out-of-context moment being captured by photographers. The problem with that is, those of us in the the room saw the context.


You can see, in this series of photos, Obama doing the snubbing.




He was rude, and the reporters saw it and reported on it.

[JVS]

2. Are you kidding? Snubgate was the beginning of the very important "Obama is arrotgant (uppity)" meme

It was a very important scandal for Hillbots

[FrenchieCat]

13. Yes...those personal attacks against Obama's character........

and remember that photo of him somehow looking his nose down at Hillary that Hillary supporters liked to post?

That's why I don't feel sorry for them....cause they are heartless when it suits their needs.

[JVS]

14. Yeah. Fuck them and their not so subtle appeals to racism!

[MadBadger]

3. This bookbag gate thing confuses me. What the hell is it?

[FrenchieCat]

8. Its the doubt that many have in reference to Hillary and her recollection about events.....

that happened in her life.

It would seem that her moving recounting of her reaction at hearing about MLK's assassination, Hillary was so disturbed on hearing the news, that she urled her bookbag or "book sachel" across the room....she said with something close to a restrained sob.

Video here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=114604&mesg_id=114604


The question is.....was Hillary telling a true account? If so, why did she become a Goldwater Girl after being as devasted as she was? And did they even use bookbags back then? Some say no. Others ask...Why are we talking about this?

Thread of evidence on the No bookbag theory: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5392381&mesg_id=5392381


I'm just trying to provide context and an answer as to why this is being talked about.

It's because the bar was set really, really low, long ago as to what is important in these primaries.

I am of the mind that a photograph of Hillary and Barack that could be interpreted a myriad of ways and a story including a bookbag are about equal fodder.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

5. Well, Chris, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/30/no-chitchat-between-clint_n_83746.html

[MadBadger]

9. I think that was the moment I started to really dislike her.

Also what caused me to start a Hillary is a Fucking Liar thread.

I stand by that charge.

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's what made it horrible....the fact that Hillary commented on it,

as though she had been snubbed, when she really hadn't.

That would be like Obama being asked about HIllary's bookbag, and him stating.....well, I asked some of my friends that are around the same age as Hillary, and they don't recall using bookbags, as far as they know.

In otherwords, Hillary has a tendency to exploit stories that help her, no matter how petty.....

Which in essence is the Irony as to why Hillary supporters are amazed that this whole thing should even be an issue.

They can dish out the apparent pettiness, but they obviously can't take it.

[TheDoorbellRang]

15. LOL

"No one in my generation ever used a bookbag, as far as I know." :rofl:

[dailykoff]

6. I guess we just don't see things the way Hillary does.

Does anyone?

[redqueen]

11. Probably cause as usuall...

it's different when the other side does it.

It's all so monumentally silly... I'd rather talk about when she stopped backing up the White House's lies about Iraq, myself... but it seems not many want to discuss that particular issue.

[FrenchieCat]

16. It is silly......but then the whole Clinton campaign is now premised in

continuing to run "just in case" Obama implodes......

and the fact that the Clinton surrogates keep inferring about "what we don't know about Obama"

and that they are attempting to "sell" Wright off as Obama's "GE problem" in the General Election.

I just find it all very beneath all of us.....but these are the cards that the Hillary campaign has chosen to play.....unfortunately. :(

[FrenchieCat]

18. Kick!

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Are we playing who was a victim first? Adam and Eve got tossed out of Eden at the same time.

[FrenchieCat]

21. I'm just adding up all of the whinning at every little thing that happens in this primary....

he did a snub
she said bookbag
he said sweety
she said vote for a girl

etc., etc., etc.....


Some issues are important

others are just a bunch of shit.

I'm with you. Adam and Eve were tossed out of Eden at the same time, so the snakes need to go home at this time.

[McCamy Taylor]

20. "Comments by Hillary today show a bitter woman entrenched in the ideas of yesterday"

Real thread title.

Is Hillary thinking about Snubgate, too?

Can we think about the economy or the war for a change?

[ProSense]

22. Hillary is thinking about ways to convert Obama's pledged delegates.

Does she know she can't win?