If Hillary is somehow nominated, I'm not a Democrat anymore.

[JohnnyCougar]

This Mark Penn business put me over the top, but there are several things in Clinton's past that have caused me to doubt that she is anything but a Republican elitist that simply speaks different words to the public. The Iraq War vote and NAFTA are the other huge things. I simply won't vote for this lady, nor will I belong to a party that nominates her.

[11 Bravo]

1. Ahhh, shit. That would mean you'll have to find another website to inhabit.

[billyoc]

32. No, that's not what it would mean.

I'm not a Democrat, and I "inhabit" this website.

[anonymous171]

2. I won't vote FOR her. But I'll vote against war monger McCain.

Any democrat, even a corporate one, is better than a repug.

[JohnnyCougar]

9. I disagree.

Our country is going to continue to go down the tubes whether we nominate a corporate Republican or a corporate Democrat. I'd rather have a corporate Republican in office when it does so that the failure of corporatism is linked solely with the Republican party.

This country is not going to get better until we elect a candidate for the people like Obama.

[anonymous171]

13. After 4 years of McBush there may not BE an America to be president of.

[kimmerspixelated]

49. I know where you are coming from.

It's kind of like the lesser of two evils, really. Hillary is far too comfortable with the corporate world, right! But at least, if she did get elected, she would attempt the Iraq pull-out, whereas with MCCAIN- he's worse than Bush claiming 100 more years of war! The rethugs NEVER plan on leaving. Still- OBAMA, President Obama- I hope leads the new direction for the US!

[Milo_Bloom]

71. Can we at least be honest about something among ourselves???

ALL of the candidates (Obama, Clinton, McCain) are essentially promissing the same 100 years. We all know McCain wasn't talking about 100 years of war... he was talking about 100 years of occupation.

As far as I can tell.. ALL plans involve us having a presence in Iraq for a LONG time to come.


For me the Iraq war vote is simply an indicator of how people will vote when war with Iran comes up... I am convinced that there is no difference between McCain and Clinton on this front...I believe they will both get us involved in a war with Iran... I believe Obama wouldn't.

[polpilot]

109. Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA Clinton or (drumroll) Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA McCain

[Catherina]

3. I don't think you're alone. Nevermind the sniper above me n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

4. I'm sure the superdelegates

are conference-calling right now to discuss this disturbing development.

[Erin Elizabeth]

5. No worries, then!

Because she won't be the nominee!

O happy day...

[Unsane]

6. I'll remain a Dem, but will actively work against Shrillary Clintoon.

[polmaven]

84. If Hillary is the nominee

you will ACTIVELY work against her and still be a Democrat? How does that work?

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

101. she is no democrat

voting records can be revealing.

hilary=DINO

[Upton]

7. I'll still be a Democrat

but I won't vote for Hillary.

[Webster Green]

8. Don't mention it when we get to the Halliburton re-education camps

You folks won't be real popular in the camps. :smoke:

[ksoze]

10. Who said you were a democrat?

you appear to be the opposite of a DEMOCRAT by definition. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and say hi to McCain for us.

[JohnnyCougar]

15. My voter registration says I am.

I think that voting for a Republican with a "D" around her neck makes you less of a Democrat, not more. And any party who nominates such a person is not really a Democratic party.

It's become clear that the only way Clinton can win the nomination is if she pulls some hijinks with the superdeligates. So if the party allows her to do this, that's pretty un-Democratic, especially for a candidate that fails to represent Democratic values. So I am gone if she is nominated.

[OzarkDem]

11. Would you vote for Nader then?

[Justice Is Comin]

12. If string bean gets nominated,

that's exactly who I'll vote for.

[BzaDem]

17. Well then you are mathematically voting for McCain.

Assuming that you believe that Hillary is somewhat better than McCain on some issues (I know you don't agree on all issues), then that is counterproductive. That philosophy leads to 2000, just like when Nader said there was no difference between Gore and Bush. If Gore won, we wouldn't be worrying about a 20-year arch-conservative supreme court that we will get if McCain gets elected.

If you really don't like the two-party system, then you should fight the two-party system. But as long as we have the two-party system, there are two candidates, and a vote for a third party is mathematically wasted.

[JohnnyCougar]

20. That's how all oligarchies operating under the guise of Democracy work.

Nominate one extremist right-wing loony, and then have a lesser-extreme right wing loony as their opposition. That way you have really no choice. You are screwed either way, but you just get tossed a bone once in a while with the lesser-extreme person.

No thanks. That kind of sham democracy is not for me.

[BzaDem]

25. Fine. Then fight to change the system. Don't play into their hands in the current system that

you feel is flawed.

[wileedog]

85. Voting for HIllary

After the Big Party Elite money rammed her through the Superdelegate process to turn over the Pledged Delegate vote would not be "fighting the system" would it.

It would be enabling them to nominate whomever they wanted whenever they wanted going forward.

Fuck that.

[JohnnyCougar]

86. Well said!!

I think a lot of the posters in here missed the point. Hillary is done. There's no reason for her to be in this race anymore except on the hope that she can overturn the will of the Democratic voters somehow.

[Lou Queb]

22. But precisely, what about working to end the 2-party system ?

But precisely, what about working to end the 2-party system ?

[BzaDem]

30. The 2-party system is very much entrenched.

But change of course is still possible. Electing third party candidates to Congress is a start. These candidates can make coalitions with the major parties, similar to how parliamentary systems work.

But having third parties have influence in the presidential election is much tougher. You will need to abolish the electoral college for one, and have the people pick parties instead of presidents directly. All of this will require a constitutional amendment.

A better way might be to convince states at the state level to have instant runoff elections, where they vote for a first and second choice, and their vote goes to the second choice if the first choice doesn't reach a viability threshold statewide.

Fighting for some or all of the above is much more productive than pretending we don't have a two-party system right now and voting for Nader. In our current system, a vote for Nader is a vote for McCain.

[RaleighNCDUer]

98. If you think that Hillary's court would be significantly different from

McCain's court you really have no understanding of what the DLC is.

She'd protect abortion rights. EVERYTHING else would be up for negotiation.

Don't forget her support of the repression of free speech with her support of a 'flag protection' amendment.

[Justice Is Comin]

24. I don't like being conned

and string bean is a bigger con artist than the Sopranos.

You'll all learn that later the hard way if he bungles his way into the nomination.

[JohnnyCougar]

16. I don't know.

Maybe I will simply write in Obama.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Another victim of Obama's Swiftboat heard from...

Why are you supporting McCain over our nominee?

[goldcanyonaz]

19. I think that's been the plan of many around here.

Never in my life would I have thought a Democratic site would so proudly use Right Wing BS to smear one of our own.

[JohnnyCougar]

21. I don't really consider Hillary part of our own.

[TZ]

23. Thank you, Howard Dean

Sheesh. Who died and appointed you judge?

[JohnnyCougar]

28. Our forefathers.

They died so I could have a Democracy where I can vote for my interests. Since Hillary isn't in the majority of this country's interests, I don't want to vote for her, nor do I want to be part of a party that nominates a fake, placating candidate.

[OzarkDem]

47. We're talking about the Democratic Party

which party are you referring to?

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

104. if hilary is a democrat.....

sewer rat must taste like pumpkin pie.

[greguganus]

78. she might be one of your own. n/t

[TZ]

18. good!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Narrow minded intolerance and accusing someone of not being right for the party,,Now where have I heard that before.....
Amazing how wingnuts on BOTH sides sound the same.

[Lou Queb]

29. does people have to follow the party like it's not perfectible ?

asking peole to lean with the party or bust might not be the right thing

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

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[SeattleGirl]

27. Don't forget, though, Johnny. If enough people do that and McCain

ends up winning the White House, you will still be living here. (Unless you are planning to move out of country.)

I'm not a Hilary Clinton supporter, but I will say that she would be a hell of a lot better than McShame.

[JohnnyCougar]

33. I think the DLC should break off and start their own party.

And nominate Hillary Clinton. That way they will stop making the Democratic party fail for us. To me, NAFTA and Clinton's Plan Colombia were giant failures.

[Fluffdaddy]

72. We are the Democratic party

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

112. no. your not.

the DLC has been helping republicans for about 20 years now.
if you ever were part of the democratic party we would like a refund.

[jgraz]

31. It will never happen. Never

Not even the Democrats are that self-defeating.

[PoliticalAmazon]

34. The best way to get the DNC's attention is to leave the Party...

...If enough Dems did this, it would be a HUGE vote of no confidence in the Party's leadership, which would force the DNC to put in new leadership. This new leadership, because of the way the old leadership was ousted, would have to be more attentive to the wishes of the rank-and-filer Party members.

Leaving the Party doesn't mean you can't come back once there is leadership that actually pays attention to what the membership wants.

If you become an "Undeclared" you also get a LOT of polling groups calling, especially as it gets closer to November.

[BlueIdaho]

35. Bullshit

I am a BIG TIME Obama supporter and I'll do everything I can to make sure he is our candidate in the fall BUT I am really a Democrat and if its HRC - then so be it. I will work to defeat McCain and to elect our candidate. I made the mistake of voting for republican once - and I will NEVER make that mistake again. I love to jibe and josh with folks here on the funny farm but come November this shit gets serious.

I am a Democrat damn it!

[JohnnyCougar]

37. But what happens if the Democratic party nominates someone who is not a Democrat?

Should people stick with it then? Or should they start the real Democratic party?

[BlueIdaho]

42. Two party system

Unless someone is willing to start at the bottom - running folks for dog catcher, city council, mayor - then state office and congress in all fifty states you can forget it. We will continue to have a two party system. You can't just show up once every four years and run someone for president. Even if the unthinkable happened and the candidate actually won - how would they govern? Who would carry their water in the house and senate? No that tactic will always end up simply being a spoiler. If you want to start a political party - by all means go for it - but you HAVE to start at the bottom and build a viable organization.

[JohnnyCougar]

46. It would be easier if the Democratic party just kicked Hillary out.

Hopefully, that's what will happen anyways.

[PBS Poll-435]

92. I hope they do it tomorrow!!!

I can't wait to lose the Senate!!! That is gonna kick ass! Maybe we can get all the committed House Members to leave the Dems too!!! It'll be like 2004 all over again!

:yourock:





Dumbass...

[my3boyz]

36. I will still be a democrat but I won't vote for that witch! She is one democrat

that will never get my vote.

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Nor will Obama, and that's a growing movement.

Pity, we thought we had this one all wrapped up too.

[emilyg]

69. Nice name calling.

[my3boyz]

83. Hahahaha...you are on ignore so I can't read whatever

trash you posted. It simply says IGNORED! Thank goodness...

[goldcanyonaz]

91. Good think you're ignoring yourself then, cuz that's who you answered.

[WinkyDink]

38. I will adhere to Democratic principles 'til I die, no matter any other person.

[JohnnyCougar]

41. Me too, but what if the Democratic party is simply talk?

Hillary talks like a Democrat and occasionally throws us a progressive bone, but the only advantage to having her in office will be that she won't be as annoying as Bush when she speaks. If Hillary were president from 2000 to 2004, would we have gone into Iraq still? I think so. Would our foreign policy still subvert democracy in South America? I think it would. Would more American jobs continue to be shipped overseas to coddle to oligarchies around the world at the expense of American workers? I think so. What would have really been different if Hillary were in office for the last 8 years? A few things, but our country's major problems would still be here.

[crankychatter]

40. don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out

people haven't left the Party on the whole, the Party has left them.

Cynthia McKinney could use some help... I have her email address if you like.

... always try to be helpful.

:--P

[JohnnyCougar]

45. Well, maybe I will continue to support progressive candidates for congress.

Here in Florida, there are plenty of major fascists that need to be voted out. I can do so without being a member of the Democratic party, though.

[sellitman]

43. Just leave DU now and spare us the posts.

Idiotic posts don't help Obama or DU.

[JayFredMuggs]

44. Nothing to worry about, Obama is winning and will win

So be sure and go vote in the G E.

[quickesst]

48. If Clinton wins.....

anyone who does not support her will have proven one thing. They were never worthy of being called a Democrat in the first place, and quite frankly, the transparency, hatred, and willingness to succumb to shallow, and selfish rhetoric, makes a strong case that they have never been true Democrats. It's one thing to defend, and support a worthy individual, and ideology, but the method of doing so, can be more immoral than what they defend against. The case seems to have been made in this primary, and proves once again, that loyalty to one man, who may, or may not be a good president, surpasses the needs, wants, and dreams of Americans everywhere. I wonder if that will still hold true two years, record poverty, wrecked economy, below standard educational programs, and 20,000 dead into a McCain presidency. My impression is, that it would still have been worth it to them. As vigorously as O''s supporters are working to dissuade me, I will still vote for Obama if nominated. I'm a Democrat. Thanks.
quickesst

[paulk]

50. and yet her voting record is the same as Obama's

I guess he's a Republican too?

[Evergreen Emerald]

52. shhhh...don't let facts get in the way of their hate-fest. Reality has not been their strong point

what a load of crap coming from DU to compare Clinton to a republican when they only have to look at her record and see that it is the same as Obama's.

[quantass]

51. me too brotha

[stevenleser]

53. Don't do that. I cant stand her right now either, but the problem is...

if you do this, it results probably in three conservative SCOTUS appointments. THat will turn the whole country radically to the right for the next 35-50 years. It is damage that will take six generations to overcome.

Fortunately, the chance you will have to face this choice is pretty remote.

[Faygo Kid]

54. Bulletin: Hillary is not the only Democrat in America

I have posted today to Hillary supporters who aren't going to vote for Barack if he gets the nomination because their feelings are hurt. That's unacceptable.

To leave the Democratic Party if she gets the nomination is equally unacceptable. There are many Dems out there fighting hard for us (not always hard enough, granted).

So I pose the same question to you I pose to the Hillary supporters: Why do you give others the control of your vote? Why would you automatically discard the Dems because of what others may do?

Stay and fight. Then don't pout if you don't win. Fight harder next time. The truth is that she is not going to get the nomination. But your threat is unbecoming and cowardly. Shape up.

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

102. your right.

she's a republican.
people need to wake up.

[Deja Q]

55. And I won't vote Obama because the skeletons in his closet are bigger

and because for a man of "unity", never mind everything else, his response to Clinton said it all.

Go to youtube and search for "Bill Clinton iraq" and "Al Gore iraq".

In their own words, and long before 12/12/2000, never mind 09/11/2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQVyznw2zE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAIeVZVnRk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2iOVqYBqME&feature=related

Either they were lying, or Bush was telling the truth too.

:shrug:

I have no qualms voting for Hillary, and she has been consistent on foreign policy.

[BlooInBloo]

56. Bye.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

57. Selfish and petty posturing does wonders for the country.

[stop the bleeding]

58. SCOTUS

:beer:

[Raven]

59. Yup, SCOTUS. Explain that to your kids or grandkids. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Well then Urine Idiot.

Just to be fair. You are as stupid and selfish as that other poster who cannot be named.

[redqueen]

61. Is it really worth the risk to SCOTUS?

You may believe she's a republican elitist... but is it worth the risk?

As for me, I'll vote for her. Whatever my suspicions are... it's just not worth the risk.

[Forkboy]

62. If you're in a state where the race will be close you're just shooting yourself in the face.

:shrug:

[Madam Mossfern]

63. I had this conversation wit someone at work

the other day. I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary, *then* after the elections, I will leave the Democratic party.

[Life Long Dem]

64. If you asked me a month ago

I would have probably voted for her in Nov. But in the last month a lot more has come out about her and just pushed me over the edge with her where I'd be more fearful of her than I would be with McSame's experience. But I'd rather have Obama's excellent judgment and honesty over both other candidates.

[L0oniX]

65. All I have done is move to the right and I hate it. First I was for Gravel, then Kucinich and then..

.Edwards and now finally, Obama and I mean only Obama. I refuse to move farther to the right. I will just not vote but I will stay a liberal progressive Democrat.

[loveangelc]

66. she wont be

[mudesi]

67. She's DLC. What do you expect?

And she has already lost the nomination.

[Fluffdaddy]

73. No one been nominated yet

[Willo]

68. I understand the frustrations with the democratic party

I registered as a democrat all of my life. But, I had have never gotten into the party issues before. I was rabbit-chasing and found a wonderful post about supporting Obama.

The "party-first" mentality was too over the top for me. But,that IS this site so I respect that. I like what I'm learning so I'm hanging around. I still have problems with any ole dem. It goes so against my grain.

This year, however, is a no-brainer. The republicans are promising to continue the war. The democrats are promising to end it. Even if I didn't believe them, I'd have to go with the possibility over the absolute. Second to that is the economy, a band-aid but no change vs. possible change.

This year we have two candidates who strike different chords in us.
We will soon have choose the direction of our future.

I am convinced that Bush is deliberately selling out and destroying our country.
The choices: Absolutely McSame or not.

[JohnnyCougar]

80. I just don't believe that Hillary = ending expansionist foreign policy

And that is my #1 issue. With her, I believe that the conquest in the Middle East will go on, and that South America will continue to have every legitimate attempt at democracy harassed.

Plus, her helthcare plan, once her supposed strong point, is absolutely unimpressive. Her history on free trade is abhorrent. Honestly, this country is going the way of colonial India, and Hillary is just going to make it worse. If you want more free trade, get used to an America with an underclass that has to beg for food.

[Willo]

93. You have to consider what we will have if McCain wins.

We will have to accept the loss of our preferred candidate(s).
We will also have live in anger and despair as our country continues to fail and fall.

What I'm trying to say is, casting your vote for a democratic president now is a lot easier than continuing to live with a republican president for yet, more years. If voting is the best we can do at THAT point. Then we do our best.

I don't want to be forced to pay for healthcare, but I don't know tha Hillary's plan is bad. There are many who say it is equal or superior to Obama's.

We have always had an underclass that begs for food. We now have a hard time defining the middle class.
Bush and McSame will work to ensure that there are clearly two classes: the rich and the servants of the rich.

I have felt more like you than you might realize. But, when you think about it the choices are clear.

[goldcanyonaz]

70. Interesting how this thread is still here but the "I won't vote in November" thread got locked.

[Maddy McCall]

74. Yep.

No bias at all.

[Jamastiene]

82. It's SOP nowadays.

Let even one Hillary supporter start an OP saying the same thing this OP is saying and that poster will be TS'ed so fast their head will spin. Obama people can do no wrong though, apparently.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5398089&mesg_id=5398959

175. locking.

Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

[goldcanyonaz]

88. Just as long as that Democratic candidate isn't Hillary. It's so biased here.

I'm at least thankful that the real world doesn't represent this forum.

[jpak]

75. Another Sunshine Patriot

:puke:

[Chisox08]

76. The only reason I would vote for Hillary in November is .......

John McCain must not be allowed to win. We can not have four or eight more years of George W. Bush. All Democrats who don't believe that beating McCain is more important then which Democratic candidate gets the nomination they really wasn't a democrat to begin with. During the primaries we fall in love during the GE we fall in line and support candidate no matter who it is. :banghead:

[QC]

77. Then you'll do your trolling somewhere else? n/t

[JohnnyCougar]

87. No, because the real Democratic party rests with the people

and not some corporate shill.

[PresidentObama]

79. I support Barack, but absolute ignorance. Senator Clinton would make a good President n/t

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

108. no she would not be.

She would pave a legacy of corporate enablement.
she already has.
she is a handmaiden of anyone who puts cash in her greedy hands.
i don't trust her. I don't trust her husband. I don't trust her judgement.
she is not a democrat.

[Raejeanowl]

81. SOMEONE Did SOMETHING Right In That Family

Wonder who?

[PBS Poll-435]

89. Well

Happy Trails to You.....


:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

90. With statements like that. I'd question your current affiliation

[Az_lefty]

94. she won't win the nomination, she can only steal it at this point...

if that happens, I'm no longer a Democrat either. Independent has a nice ring to it.

[JohnnyCougar]

95. Exactly.

[goldcanyonaz]

96. This thread is still not locked. Shows the bias around here.

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

111. Yes this is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND not DLC Underground.

sorry bout your feelings.
need a tissue?

[Red Knight]

97. You're all crazy

Emotionally insane and not thinking clearly about any of it.

Watch the world burn.

Enjoy.

[Marie26]

99. Oh, the drama! nt

[backscatter712]

100. Fortunately, the danger of Hillary getting the nomination isn't very high.

She'd have to win all the remaining primaries by a rather wide margin just to catch up.

And if she doesn't get the majority of pledged delegates, her pipe dream of superdelegates overturning the pledged delegates and giving the nomination to her is a pipe dream.

After Obama gets the magic number of 1627 pledged delegates (I predict this will happen on May 20th), anyone who thinks the Democratic Party will overturn a popular vote for the first African American presidential nominee, after he got a clear majority, is dropping acid.

[Auntie Bush]

103. Then...If Obama is electec...I'm not a Democrat either...so there!

Two can play this game as well as one! If fact I won't even become an Indie because too many Indies and Rethugs are voting for Obie because he will compromise with them and there goes our platform.. You think Bill was a centrist in order to get bills passed? Well wait till you see Obama! You are in for a rude awaking!

[Lilith Velkor]

105. ...

[undeterred]

106. Just because she's not a Democrat doesn't mean we're not.

:hug:

[mtnsnake]

107. Good! The more creeps like you who are weeded out of the Party, the better!

The Goddess of Peace wants only winners in the Party, not losers so who gives a rats ass if all the losers vacate after she wins the nom.

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

110. goddess of peace?

it figures the GOP stooge hilary would want to squeeze democrats out of the party she has infiltrated. It's our party not hers. She is no longer welcome in our party. She needs to take all her precious PAC money, Mark Penn and go hang out with melon-scaife. She is no longer welcome in this party. Her bridges are burned. I will do all i can to support a primary run off against her senate seat after she is done getting her rocks of trying to chokehold our party's primary system into "coronating" her.
She is not a democrat. She can take her Bush-Dog supporters with her.
they won't be missed.

[DemBones DemBones]

113. Let's talk about the IWR vote.

I used to say I'd never vote for Hillary Clinton, anyone can check my old posts and find that's true.

But Hillary Clinton can beat McCain and I think she will be far more effective as president than Obama could be, because he has less national experience, so I decided I would vote for her. I have no illusions that she will be a perfect president but neither will anyone else, and she can beat McCain, who could be a very, very bad president.

I don't like it that HRC voted for the IWR but she was one of 99 senators to do so, Graham of FL being the only one to vote against it.

Obama supporters Kerry and Kennedy voted for it and nobody seems to object to their support for Obama.

Presumably, all of us who are truly Democrats voted for Kerry in 2004 even though we didn't like his IWR vote. So why are people holding that vote against Hillary Clinton? Different standards for women?

Obama was not in the Senate then (2002,just before mid-term elections, a year after September 11, both of which undoubtedly had an effect on the voting.)

Obama has admitted that he doesn't know if he would have voted for or against the IWR if he had been there.

Yet he continues to criticize Clinton for voting for the war, implying that he voted against the IWR or did something to stop it, when all he did was make one speech at an anti-war rally in Chicago in 2002.

In 2004, running for his first term in the U.S. Senate, Obama told the Chicago Tribune that his posiion on the war at that time was basically the same as George W. Bush's.


Say what? That's a mighty big flip-flop Obama made.

[vireo]

114. And NAFTA

David Gergen on CNN:

Aired February 25, 2008 - 22:00 ET

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: "If I could just add one other postscript, Anderson, on NAFTA, I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight. And I must tell you, Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA.

(LAUGHTER)

GERGEN: She -- and I think that's putting it mildly.

I'm not sure she objected to all the provisions of it. She just didn't see why her husband and why the -- that White House had to go do that fight. She was very unhappy about it, wanted to move on to health care. So, I do think there's some justification for her camp saying, you know, that she's never been a great backer of NAFTA.

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14842