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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:51 PM Original message |
Florida's primary had the 7th highest turnout of the 40+ states that have voted thus far |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. It was one of only 4 states that had more repubs vote than dems |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. There ya go. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That isn't a good measure to use |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. We still had higher turnout in all those first states, except Michigan |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. 4 states do not make a trend |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. my argument is... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. What is your explanation for the 30+ states with lower turnout than Florida? |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. it is up to the state to decide whether to hold a primary or caucus |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
76. One study showed an additional 1.25 million folks would have voted here, if they'd know it counted. |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. exactly why you can't count FL as it stands now |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. OP: Sham caucuses? Bite me. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yep. Try changing the rules next primary season or take it up with those in the Florida legislature |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. The last paragraph is why Hillary is losing. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Texas and Washington exposed caucuses as a sham |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:01 PM Original message |
Or maybe Obama voters are more committed |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. So What? In the general election, are votes weighted for being more committed? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Early voting occured in Both elections. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. rethugs voted for Obama 53-46 in Texas. Good point. rethugs slightly helped Obama's numbers in Texas |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. There would've been way less Hillary support by repugs had Rush not intervened. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Why did Obama's numbers among indies in TX and OH drop by similar levels? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. You'd be surprised how many Right-leaning indies there are. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Yes but that isn't the same thing. No "indie" would take orders from Rush |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I party agree. |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Good point about the early voting, however... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yeah, and he consistently won indies big--until Ohio and Texas. Was that due to Rush too? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Hahaha -- Hillary won Democrats and Independents. Nice try though. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. she won Dems 53-46 in TX and 56-44 in ohio. Obama won rethugs in Texas 53-46 and tied in Ohio |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Caucuses: whoever can rally best for support and enthusiasm wins. Both candidates |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. 1.9% turnout is a joke and undemocratic |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
75. It's only undemocratic if they were prevented from attending. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
92. it really pisses me off that people like the OP disses caucuses WHICH |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nice fact to know but not particularly relevant to anything. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. What is a "sham caucus"? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. All caucusus are "sham caucuses". |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Touche. |
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revolve (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. It is also one of only 4 so far that had more Republican vote than Democrats |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. And? They only had five competitive states |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. You and Hillary should create some sort of acting troop |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder if anything, like say, a property tax proposal, had anything to do with that? |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
87. Good point |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why did Hillary agree to disenfranchise them? |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. We've been over this again and again. The turnout was high because |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Your point is? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. Wow, 24% turned out in my state of Arizona. |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
23. Riling up Florida Dems over a lie for no gain will cause them to stay home in Nov. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. As if they are that stupid |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
59. No, the FL Hill-Dems may stay home, Florida Dems and Indys will not. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
25. You're helping to dig her grave with your comments. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. It sucks, but rules are rules. |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
73. Thank you for seeing it as it is. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. Like Usual, you are being Intellectually dishonest |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. How about producing those numbers? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. No thanks, you are the one making the intellectually dishonest statement...you find the numbers. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Still haven't gotten over being savaged by the cult for heresy? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Still havent gotten over the fact that your girl is getting her ass handed to her by... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. What they do behind closed doors is between them |
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Blondbostonian (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. What a bunch of horse shit |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yeah, yeah. DUbamas also prefer a racist pastor over Hillary Clinton |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. you just walked over the rightwing talking point cliff. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
40. Homestead Amendment |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Who cares why they did? They were in the voting booth and expressed their preference |
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Blondbostonian (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Are you this desperate? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I am a Democrat. Do you know why my party is called that? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
44. Obama doesn't want their votes to count, though |
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TSIAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. Was Nevada a "sham caucus"? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. 9% turnout so yes |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
48. There wasn't a Dem primary in Florida yet, just the vanity vote. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. So you must also believe Bush "won" Florida because the sanctioned vote had him ahead |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. wo there little fella |
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JayFredMuggs (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
58. You DO realize that Hillary |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You realize Obama was once in favor of counting Florida until he lost it badly? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. You need to prove that. |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. You realize Hillary wasn't in favor of counting FL until she won it badly? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yeah the Florida GOP fucked this up completely. |
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40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The FL GOP fucked it up with Florida Democrat's permission. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Please remember to let the state dems have some of the blame. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. OK fine and noted. The GOP controlled FLA legislature |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. how can you count a primary that didn't allow candidates to campaign |
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JayFredMuggs (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. You have to be Hillary to do that....! eom |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. What about the "sham" of states like NY? |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
68. Oh look. My state is #1. No wonder people think we should be first. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
71. To be fair, there was also a very important constitutional amendment on the ballot |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. Nothing I like more than having my state slammed by Hillary |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
74. They broke the rules. Clinton's demands are fast angering people. |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
80. On a daily basis |
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FARAFIELD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
81. look at the totals |
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rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
82. What a dumbass, bullshit discussion. The homestead tax |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
83. *plonk* I took a few people off ignore to see what they were saying. Mistake! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
85. The Democratic Party owes Florida's DINOs something: |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
86. FL and MI knew the rules but chose to break them |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
88. we do not negotiate with terrorists |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
89. Those damned rules! |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
91. Accept this sham election or we'll trash your party |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
93. Hillary is the only thing standing in the way of her supporters votes being counted. |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
94. PROPERTY OWNERS turned out because of a HOMESTEAD Amendment - |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
95. Count Florida, or re-do it. I don't give a fuck, the results will be the same...Obama! n/t |
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