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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:56 PM
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Check this out. What I heard today at WA State convention.
We had several hundred precinct delegates of which 100 wanted to be chosen for the 25 spots to move on to the county convention. Each was given 1 minute to rally support for themselves. I have to tell you this was an absolutely positive experience. All Obama supporters and not one negative word about Hillary Clinton. I heard her name mentioned only twice during delegate selection when a 79 year old man said he had one friend who was pro HRC but has since repented, and a 60 year old woman who said she wanted to be an Obama delegate so she could bring other women her age to vote for Obama.

I will paraphrase some other notable speakers:

"I used to be an anti-war civil rights activist in the 60's, after they shot JFK, MLK, and RFK I crawled under a rock." the man then became visibly shaken and in tears, "until Barack Obama gave me a reason to crawl out from under that rock." He recovered his composure and went on to say that he had been looking for a leader and he has finally found one and that he is taking Barack's words to heart that in order to change globally we must take action locally and he is back to doing just that.

"My grandson is 26 years old, and was politically apathetic until he listened to Barack Obama. He, my grandson,now says this man has to be our next President. I could not agree with him more."

"I listened to Obama's speech on racism and it struck me that this speech will be taught to my children and grandchildren in schools and how honest historic and straightforward it was."

"I really want to be a delegate because we are not only experiencing a change in America we experiencing an historical event that will be talked about for the next 100 years"

There was also much talk of ending the Iraq war, Obama's leadership and good judgment, being inspired by a leader for the first time, the end of 2 family rule, and restoring the US Constitution, you know, little things like Habeas Corpus!!!

Oh and by the way delegate count stayed what it was I believe 25 O and
11 C. No dirty tricks on either side.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:05 PM
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1. That's inspiring to hear
I live down in Lewis co. and though the county goes red every election, you'd be surprised at how many people are excited about Obama. With Gregoire expected to be in tough against Rossi we need Obama at the top of the ticket.
http://www.lewiscountydemocrats.net/
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:09 PM
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5. I agree, Obama's long coat tails and will be needed here.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:45 PM
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60. Nice Dem website guys! Take a look , tickers are awesome!!
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 11:51 PM by DB1
Finally took a quick look after answering posts.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:06 PM
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2. Same thing happened at the Iowa caucus
Everyone at the Iowa county caucuses were very nice toward the other candidate's delegates.. Not one bad word to be heard amungst them..

So I no idea why all this shit happens here between the two groups..
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:12 PM
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6. Puzzling isn't it? Maybe the argumentative types don't get out much.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:42 AM
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63. They were out at the first level of the caucuses -- glad to hear things
have calmed down.
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:02 PM
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35. Because it's so much easier to be nasty anonymously n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:07 PM
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3. Thanks so much for this uplifting report! nt
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:08 PM
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4. Thanks for sharing that.
It's amazing the way Obama inspires people. I wasn't even an Obama supporter until Edwards dropped out, and that was when I really started looking at Obama. At the risk of sounding like a cultist, I can feel the sense of destiny in his candidacy.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:21 PM
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12. It sure felt like it today in that auditorium
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:12 PM
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7. K&R! Wow, what a heartwarming little speeches!!
:hug:
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:13 PM
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8. So Encouraging! and...
I love positive threads like this, based upon the real life process of choosing a candidate, honestly, without all the hoopla we see here.

Thanks!
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:18 PM
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10. You are welcome. Obama supporters around WA are very positive.
And most of us anticipate Hillary hanging on and on and on.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:15 PM
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9. Thanks for the positive post and the great quotes.
Sounds like a good time. :-)
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:19 PM
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11. It really was fun, I wished I had recorded it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:23 PM
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14. The quotes are priceless.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:23 PM
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13. Thanks! What did the Clinton supporters say?
Good to hear there were no dirty tricks on either side. Good for yall.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:34 PM
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18. I only heard the 5 minute Hillary lead speaker. She was pretty good.
Spoke about what she believed HRC could do in regards to healthcare and the economy. I don't recall her bringing up Iraq. We seperated during delegate selection so I did not get to hear Clinton delegates speak. I went over there later but they were all done. So I missed out, I would have like to have heard.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:24 PM
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15. Thank you!
Nice to hear just positives about Senator Obama for a change. Like the older gentleman said , I also lived through the era of John, Bobby, and Martin. No presidential candidate has inspired me since - except for Senator Obama. Thank you, again!
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:27 PM
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16. Thanks and welcome to DU!
We all need a bit more positivity in DU these days, hope you will stay.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:31 PM
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17. DB1, I kicked and recommended your post. Appreciate your efforts, although I'm still waiting for
our primary ballot, and expect to mail it in by May 20th. I like Hillary and I like Obama. I'm one of those idealists who feel that they could BOTH be on the ticket in either direction and it would be sensational, in a good way.

The tail is wagging the donkey in my home.

Hillary's crowds today in Hillsboro, OR were expected to be much smaller than Obama's. Regrettably, I didn't get to either candidate's appearances here.



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:34 PM
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19. You've been a member since June 2005, but welcome back occasionally!
Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:43 PM
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25. I read more than I post, usually on the run.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 06:43 PM by DB1
Thanks.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:55 PM
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32. You're welcome. I've found a new phrase for our class -- the YUPPIE ELDERLY!
The Portland Oregonian reviewed a new book called "Who Is Your City?" in which the writer, Richard Florida, describes this as a class of people who are migrating to Portland, OR (as well as Seattle and San Francisco) because of the various positive west coast attributes.

We're involved in so much now that it's hard to remember each of us worked about 50 years, from 1956 until 2001, and then were forced to retire due to the abysmal job market after 9/11.

Re: Obama. I predicted in the 1970s that a black male would win the presidency before a woman of any age or race. However, we are both still worried that Barack is very young and has limited political experience (depends on your perspective, I guess).

We worry that he could be "All vision and no action."
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:03 PM
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36. There will be action, people are mobilizing. People get things done....
good leaders inspire, knock down blockades, and allow them to do it.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:03 AM
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70. You're so right! He has mobilized the people and put passion for our country back
in our hearts. I think people will be willing to do what ever it takes if they know it will help more people and not just keep padding the pockets of the wealthiest.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:17 PM
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39. Thanks Radio Lady,for
giving me a class, the Yuppie Elderly! Would I be welcome at 78? (78? How did it happen? Sometimes I can't believe it.)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:43 PM
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52. Looks as if the Milken Institute used these names in a November 2001 article --
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 10:48 PM by Radio_Lady
William Frey mentions the "yuppie elderly" ages from 65 to 74 (!) and then the next catagory is (I'm afraid to tell you...) the "needy elderly" age 75 and up.

But you're only as young as you feel -- at least, that's our anthem.

My husband turns 74 in June and he doesn't need THAT next kind of group characterization AT ALL unless his health fails the following year.

I will be 69 in May so I still qualify, more or less, but don't consider myself elderly tonight (at last, not right this minute).

This whole article is not up to date because the metro areas where seniors are moving has changed quite a bit in the ensuing years, and so has the housing market.

Here's the link anyway:

http://www.milkeninstitute.org/publications/publications.taf?function=detail&ID=101&cat=Arts

Thanks for your comments.

Radio Lady in Oregon

PS. Have a happy birthday, by the way!




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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:52 PM
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54. Jkshaw, here's another interesting 2007 trend for seniors:
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 10:53 PM by Radio_Lady
Seniors moving to other places to be nearer their children and grandchildren.

That's what we did. We followed our daughter and son-in-law from Boston to Portland (ORE.) to a more moderate climate and to be nearer our kids and grandkids. We also have a son and his family in Salt Lake City (UT.)

William H. Frey is at the Brookings Institute (2007)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/us/26seniors.html
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:36 PM
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23. My friends could not get near Obama, overflow crowd, 20,000 plus.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:44 PM
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26. He is one of the most energized and charismatic speakers I've ever heard...
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 06:45 PM by Radio_Lady
That comes from someone who has been using her voice on radio and in person, as well as listening to other political voices for a long, long time.

It runs in the family. My father, born 11/11/11, won a speech contest at the University of Michigan on the topic of "How Colleges Can Promote World Peace." He was a lawyer, speaker, sculptor, painter, and violinist.

I've won a few debating awards and represented my school in a speech contest once upon a time. But I've tooted my own flute here before and don't want to sounds like a drone.

Thanks for your fascinating comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon





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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:19 AM
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71. I saw him with my three kids in Portland and both Obama
and Richardson were great. Better than that though was the energy of the crowd. You could tell by talking to them and just watching all of them that they are all ready for major change and willing to get out there and help make it happen (some of them were trying to make it happen already until Bush cut all the programs that really helped save money in the long run). I took my 17yo on to Eugene so she could stay with a friend and she saw him again. She is very involved in her high school and very aware of the world (and our countries) issue's and is ready to help make a difference. I have faith that Obama will help motivate the kids to take a break from their video games and wake up and do something! I see a lot of people in our small rural town in eastern Oregon who have always voted republican but are now at least considering to vote for Obama!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:14 PM
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79. OMG, what was he doing with your 3 kids??! Good thing you saw him!!!!
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:18 PM
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80. Sorry. I didn't catch that! But he did shake my 17yo's hand!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:22 PM
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81. I love the man! I'd be thrilled, too.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:36 PM
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20. thank you for sharing your experience. nt
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:36 PM
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21. gets a kick
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:36 PM
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22. Until I listened to Barack Obama, I was going bald. But now I have real, growing hair!
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 06:39 PM by IanDB1
Barack Obama... Now, with Boost!



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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:51 PM
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30. Throw in a Brazillian Power Crystal and I'm sold.
:D
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:04 PM
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37. Wow! Swanky squiggle! I love it! Thanks, LV


:hi:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:01 PM
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34. LOL. I'm married to a bald headed man from Brockton, MA! Special thanks!
My husband is concerned that Barack could be "All hype and no outcome." It's one thing to talk about all these goals and create great excitement. It's another thing to deliver on these promises.

Still waiting for our Oregon mail in ballot. Just a few more weeks --

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:19 AM
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65. Point him to Obamas legislation record
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 04:19 AM by dbmk
The videotaping of police interrogations in Illinois.
Ethics reforms in both state and US senate.
Anti nuke proliferation bill.
and the list goes on.

He IS the one that gets stuff done, because he is willing to listen, debate and broker with people on both sides of the aisle. Without compromising vital points.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:32 AM
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72. My husband switched parties to vote for Obama!
We thought the same has your husband until we started really listening to his responses and then thought about all the "experience" that has come and gone with this current administration (total ##!!?? to skip the language) and realized you need to have good judgment too. It really helped to see a lot of super delegates (who have job "experience") voting for him recently.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:04 PM
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74. Look at his Illinois Record
Look at his Senate Record. Ethics reform. usaspending.gov Lugar-Obama non-proliferation legislation. Congo Relief, Security and Democracy Act. Summer Learning Demonstration Project. He's got several provisions in the Higher Education Act, including a new Teacher Residency program, where new teachers are paired with mentor teachers and receive an advanced accreditation when they complete the residency.

The one who is really all hype and no outcome is Hillary. She's been a Senator for 8 years and has next to nothing on her record.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:30 PM
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83. Thanks for the info. If I'm going to have any luck convincing
the republican strong holds in my family I'll need facts after I'm done putting out the fires from the smear tactics. I sometimes get immobilized by all the information thats out there and don't know where to start!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:04 PM
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85. Hey! You're in La Grande, out east! We've been out to Eastern Oregon by ourselves,
and last summer, my husband took our grandson to look at the university there. Regrettably, he's probably going to go to college where his parents live -- in Massachusetts.

Glad to meetchu on the DU!

(On edit: Looks like you've been here infrequently since 2005!!!)

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen "on the rainy side" in Beaverton, OR
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:19 PM
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41. Just what I need!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:12 PM
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78. Question is, where is it growing?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:42 PM
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24. Thanks, DB1!!
Nice to hear what the people said.

I gave the one-minute speech back in '04, in an effort to become a county delegate. I'm not shy, but I couldn't believe I was doing that either. I didn't get a spot, but I'm glad I gave it a shot. Being involved with that was a blast.

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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:48 PM
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28. I thought about it, got there too late, there were so many great people...
to choose from, they will do well next week.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:48 PM
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27. Sounds like my caucus
I was an Obama delegate today-I just came in from my district caucus in Everett, WA. The people you heard speak sounded like some of the people I heard speaking about Obama. There was a lot of young people and lots of people from different races & religions from all over the world. They so energized and proud to support Barack Obama. Our delegate count was 22 for Obama, and 11 for HRC. I had a great time and met some really cool people. :bounce:
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:51 PM
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29. I met an 80 year old wooden boat builder working on his PHD at UW!
Normally the highlight of a normal day, but today too many to choose from.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:11 PM
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38. I met so many interesting people
One man was from Africa and was so proud to be a citizen of our country and support Barack Obama. He brought his little boy there and that little boy was so proud of his daddy. One older man said he had worked on JFK's presidential campaign and was just as proud to work for Obama's campaign too. So many young people got up there and said they were so happy to be involved in politics for the first time. There were several people there who said they had served in the Iraq war and said they wanted to support Obama so he could end the war and bring the troops home. There was also quite a few people in wheelchairs there participating. I didn't get picked to go on to the Congressional caucus but the experience I had today was really terrific. I would encourage everybody to go to their caucus and participate in our Democracy. It sure makes you feel good.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:19 PM
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40. Won't it be great once we have a nominee? Like a new beginning.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:05 PM
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45. I can't wait too
I am so ready for a Democrat to reclaim the Presidency and start correcting the nightmare that is the Bush administration. If we really work hard, we can create a veto proof majority in the Senate and get a big majority in the House. Wouldn't that be awesome? It is going to take that to a lot of us Democrats working together to make this happen and we can do it. I think Democrats are the best people on Earth-all Democrats. :pals:
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:47 PM
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53. Absolutely, that was said by our local chairman and got a standing O.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:53 PM
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31. Thanks for the report!
"I really want to be a delegate because we are not only experiencing a change in America we experiencing an historical event that will be talked about for the next 100 years." --WA Obama delegate candidate

I believe this is true, and my main reason for believing this is Obama SUPPORTERS--an activated citizenry such as we have not seen in this country in 40 years. It is awesome. It is, indeed, historic. And, most of all, it is what this country NEEDS in order to change direction, and in order to recover from the fascist coup that we have suffered. I have my concerns and reservations about Obama's policies, although he is far better than Clinton on policy, and most certainly than McCain. But it takes more than a president to change a country. It takes the whole country. And the Obama campaign has become the vehicle for change, for citizen activism, for new ideas, and for democracy to be reborn. It is the PEOPLE who are going to change the country, not any particular leader. And that is the very best thing that could have happened--the People participating, the People getting hot, the People rising from their corporate media-induced demoralization and taking their country back. It would be remarkable to have good leadership again. And we need both--good leaders and active citizens. But the most critical component of change is The People.

I also think that the Obama campaign provides the first opportunity, in a very long time, to radically change the Democratic Party, to reclaim it from the corporatists and the warmongers, and to make it into a true peoples' party once again. MOST people in this country have NO representation in government, because they have NO representation in either party. The workers and the poor have NO representation. We are the majority. Our concerns and our interests should be the first priority of government. But our Democratic leaders do NOT represent us, for the most part. And the Republicans certainly don't. So we have no one. We MUST reclaim our party--the peoples' party, the party of the majority.

The most important task we have--the one that will break the blockade against change--is to restore vote counting that everyone can see and understand. Our party leaders have utterly betrayed us on this matter--and, indeed, have committed treason, in my opinion--with their support of electronic voting, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls. And they did this to us in the same month--Oct '02--that so many of them voted for the Iraq War Resolution. And I believe that the two things are related. My evidence? They haven't undone it! How could they support this kind of Stalinist vote tallying? It is madness. It is mind-bogglingly WRONG. And they're still doing it. Now they're saying, 'Oh, oops, maybe we should have a paper trail.' Uh-huh. But a 'paper trail' is no better than the COUNTING OF THE PAPER. Do they advocate that it actually be counted? No! They advocate TRUSTING Bushite corporations--with 99% to 100% of the ballots never counted by anyone--and they advocate larding these corporations with billions more of our tax dollars, to ADD a meaningless 'paper trail" that is dropped into a box, to gather dust, and to never be seen again.

To change this, we need a huge citizen movement. The movement is in progress, but it isn't big enough yet--to cast these lying, scumbag, election theft corporations out of our voting system. If Obama wins the nomination--which he and his supporters seem to be doing--and is deprived of the presidency by yet another election theft by these highly riggable voting machines, perhaps that will do it. People just won't put up with it any more, and will toss these crapass machines into 'Boston Harbor' where they belong. If the people manage to outvote the machines in November--which is possible--and put Obama in office, then an Obama administration will likely be helpful in restoring transparent vote counting. Clinton? I don't know. Maybe. It's possible that an election stolen from Clinton would have a similar effect--activate the citizenry to toss the voting machines; and it's possible, also, that a Clinton administration would be friendlier to election reform than McCain would be (--although you gotta wonder about her corporate ties). But the thing that is clearest to me is that Obama SUPPORTERS are the key to reclaiming our vote counting system and putting back into the PUBLIC venue. It is that kind of activism that it is going to take--impassioned activism, activism that doesn't take "no" for answer, committed activism, and widespread activism. I don't see Clinton inspiring such activism. And Obama obviously does.

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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:00 PM
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33. It IS about reclaiming our party, I think we can do it. Patience and activism.
After listening to others today and seeing the almost shock in the faces of local party leaders of years past at today's turnout and involvement I can see it happening.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:47 PM
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42. Awwesome. My brother-in-law is an Obama delegate from
Vancouver. He's an Annapolis graduate, Navy veteran, corporate executive and thrilled to be part of getting this country out of the ditch.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:13 PM
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43. I met a Korean War vet today that was unbelievably nice. 78 year old ....
who called himself a black man, "I only know I am black, probably African American but who knows?" He made the point that race had nothing to do with his choice of Obama for president, he said the last 7+ years have been a nightmare and it has got to stop. This guy is a true hero.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:56 PM
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44. Great reports on this thread. Can't get enough of the inspiring stories,
about the people and the reactions of the local politicians.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:10 PM
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46. I am very happy that a post in GDP got such a nice response. Tkanks.
Maybe times are a changin'
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:12 PM
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47. My neighbor across the street called and said
his precinct was 22 Obama 11 Hillary.

He switched from Hillary to Obama. He is in his 80s and a Vet for Peace for Peace. Our road divides the precinct. He received a letter last week telling him he was not pledged and could change his vote if he wished. He was signed up as a Hillary Delegate at the Caucus. He took down his Hillary yard sign when she stated that she and McCain had the experience to be Commander in Chief.


I am anxious to hear the Washington State totals!


Wooo Hooo Washington! Yes We Can!

K and R
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:28 PM
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48. Can't wait until yes we can changes to yes it has happened!
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:30 PM
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49. K&R for such a positive report.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:33 PM
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50. Truth and the feelings that follow works. I wish they knew that in DC.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 10:44 PM by DB1
The politics of fear, hatred and torture are wrong, un-American and need to end. The low standards that we have allowed our reps to lower themselves to must end. I want the type of people who stood before me today and shook, smiled, got rattled and quivered, and even cried(honestly), as they stated their case for themselves and Obama, to be back at the forefront and in control of our society.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:38 PM
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51. Thanks for the positive post
Recommended!
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:18 PM
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58. Thanks. Hope you can experience first hand what I did today ......
Obama supporters are awesome.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:39 AM
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61. Last Saturday was the Texas Senate District/County Conventions
I was with some great Hillary and Obama supporters. :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:56 PM
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55. Thanks DB..happy you
had such a positive, uplifting experience in this historical, political climate at your Washington State Convention.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:05 PM
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56. I am fortunate to live where I do. Makes me want to help NOLA more.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 11:08 PM by DB1
Many people I know have volunteered down there. Ever notice how few posts come out of that region? We have had devastation here as well in the Chehalis river valley and they are still struggling, heard it on the news? probably not. I hope one thing that comes out of this near debacle we are in is either the end of the MSM as we know it, or, an honest accountable MSM. Do we have an FCC?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:16 PM
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57. Co-chair of the 11th LD credentials committee
A very hairy day for us, as we are split between three different congressional districts and thus required six different delegate selection groups. CD7 had 16 delegates and eight alternates, and that turned out to be 12 Obama/4 Clinton and 6 Obama/2 Clinton. CD8 had 6 delgates and 3 alternates, and broke 4 Obama/2 Clinton and 2 Obama/1 Clinton. CD9 elected 14 delegates and 7 alternates, and broke 10 Obama/4 Clinton and 5 Obama/2 Clinton.

The 5th LD is entirely within the 8th CD, except for one lousy precinct which is in the 9th. There was no way they could allocate fractional delegates to one out of 125 precinct, so they had to caucus with the 11th. They were not happy campers, as anyone wanting to be a delegate had to compete with a crowd of 99% strangers. Too bad, but no one could think of an alternative.

Speakers for candidates were all positive here also. Exactly 3 delegates changed candidates after the last round out ot 556.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:21 PM
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59. Wow, sounds hectic, I must call and thank our LD part1 and 2 chair.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 11:22 PM by DB1
It really went very well here.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:24 AM
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62. k&r
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d.amber Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:27 AM
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64. Cool the 39th! I was there too!
Also, it should be noted the age and depth of those who wanted to be a delegate...I was one of them. We had 18 years old to 60 years old. I was struck by some who had note been active until since JFK and are now wanting to become involved.

For me it was all about hope and change and my children and their future. Huge group. Biggest fight was the chants going back and forth which were funny. Obama had Hillary at about 3 to 1...so we could out shout the Hillary group.

It was a great group. Makes you proud to be a democrat.
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:03 AM
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66. Act Now
Visit www.BarackObama.com Find out how you can join the movement.

There is likely a team in your area...
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:46 AM
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68. K&R. Very moving post and thank you for sharing!
What a wonderful experience, and one that you'll also carry with you, always...:patriot:
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toys4kitty Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:00 AM
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69. Nice to hear from other LD's
I was at the 37th legislative district caucus and had much of the same environment. We had mostly the 7th congressional district, but also a few areas of the 9th. For the 7th- the total number of delegates available was over 800. (Sorry to not have the final counts, but it was very noisy with over 1000 people packed into the high school gym we were in) The final was Obama 600+ and Clinton 100+.
The tone was one of uniting and remembering that the final goal is to get a Democrat back into the WhiteHouse. There was overwhelming support for each candidate from their respective delegates, but there was NO bad talking, no instigating, nothing that is all too common in the online community.
There were many speakers that regardless of who they personally supported, kept reminding everyone there that we are all fighting the same fight and when it comes down to one candidate- we need to come together or we are all screwed.

The speeches at the end for the delegates who wanted to be elected to go to the State convention was also awe inspiring.
We had a 17 year old that will be 18 in 2 months. Other youngsters that have just started college- veterans of the gulf war, the iraq war, the vietnam war - pastors of local churches - people of all different races, ethnicities, ages, backgrounds, and they all shared the vision of being willing to make a stand in such a crucial time.

I feel very blessed to have such a small part in this historic process and I know regardless of what happens, the masses are now awake to what is going on, and it's not going to go away.

:kick:
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:47 AM
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73. Thanks for the post...I can feel the positive energy!
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:22 PM
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75. Confused
I'm very confused now. I am a precinct delegate selected at my precinct caucus. Our county convention (Cowlitz) is on April 19th. It was my understanding that delegates to the state convention would be elected at that time, and I was hoping to be chosen. But you are saying that the state convention has already happened, and delegates were elected at it to "move on" to the county conventions; which makes no sense. Why would state come before county? How could the state delegates have been chosen?

I got out the letter I received about the county convention and re-read it, and it confirms what I thought.

What gives?
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:32 PM
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76. DB1 must have been referring to the LD caususes.
And I think he referred to it as WA state because when anyone says 'Washington' everyone assumes that they mean Washington DC.

We held the legislative district caucuses yesterday and elected delegates to go on to the congressional district caucuses (and possibly the state and national conventions). Double-check the date of the county conventions in your area; around here (King county), the date was changed because it conflicted with a religious holiday.

Wait, here: http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=events

Looks like Cowlitz is caucusing on the 19th.

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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:56 PM
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77. Thanks
Yep, that explains it; thanks.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:27 PM
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84. In the less densely populated areas of WA, the next level is the county
In general, if you live in an area where your legislative district contains a number of counties, the county will run the caucuses. If you live in King, Pierce, Snohomish or Spokane counties, the county contains a number of legislative districts, and the LD organizations run the caucuses. King County will do only resolutions and platform at its meeting on 4/13; the 17 legislative districts within it chose delegates and alternates only on 4/5.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 03:23 PM
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82. That's great, but it's Seattle.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:29 AM
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86. One of our delegates in the 11th LD did a photo essay
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:00 AM
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87. Wow!! It is amazing to see such positive attitudes!! We are making history everyone!!
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