Clinton: “I started criticizing the war in Iraq before he did"

[GarbagemanLB]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Obama has been credited with foreseeing a troublesome war in Iraq primarily due to a speech he gave in 2002 while he was a state senator, where he spoke out against the war. Clinton said, “I started criticizing the war in Iraq before he did. So, I’m well aware that his entire campaign is premised on a speech he gave in 2002 and I give him credit for making that speech. But that was not a decision.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/05/politics/fromtheroad/entry3996192.shtml


The sheer audacity of her.

[sandnsea]

1. lol, good on Eugene

I'm glad somebody gave her a tough time, she should get a lot more of it.

[Erin Elizabeth]

2. Oh yeah?

Well *I* AM the Iraq War! Oh AND I'm in Iraq right now! AND I INVENTED IRAQ! How's that, Hill?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2860855320839977330&q=new+tenant+Penelope&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[JBoy]

4. I love that skit!

[powergirl]

16. HA HA HA!!

That is perfect. I protested before you did. :rofl:

[jkshaw]

29. Penelope is a movie?

You know, it's sort of funny, but also sort of heartrending. I mean, Penelope appears to be out of her mind.

[pokerfan]

72. That. Is. Just. Perfect!

It's like she and Penelope share the same sick, sad compulsion.

It's actually quite fascinating to watch.

Not good for the party, but fascinating in some kind of sick train wreck manner. You want to look away but just can't.

I remember (and am still embarrassed by) a similar stunt at one-upmanship I pulled during Show and Tell in kindergarten. It was so unbelievably embarrassing that I promised myself I would never do it again. Besides, I don't have the memory one needs to be any good at it.

[JBoy]

3. What a load of horseshit!

So did she criticize the war before she voted for it?

"His entire campaign is premised on a speech he gave in 2002"? Way to show respect for the other guy, Hillary!

[jenmito]

6. And BILL claimed HE was against it from the start!

They just don't CARE what people think of them anymore. Either that, or they think VERY little of their supporters!

[merh]

15. bill claimed he was against it

was that after he came out in support of it ?

These folks forget that their words are recorded.

[jenmito]

20. Yes, it was...

They MUST know there's video. It's like they just think their supporters are REALLY stupid!

[merh]

27. gawd, that is just amazing to me

but maybe they have seen how * is untouchable and that none of his lies matter so they figure they can lie without regret too


well, that and some of their supporters do appear to be really dense ...

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Like I said...the sheer audacity.

[jenmito]

33. Yeah...

they ARE Repub.-like and some of their supporters DO appear to be really dense! :D

[Pirate Smile]

38. Here is a direct quote:

Bill Clinton Says He Opposed Iraq War From the Outset

Former president Bill Clinton said on Tuesday that he "opposed Iraq from the beginning," apparently glossing over the more nuanced views of the war he has expressed over time. Clinton made the remarks while campaigning for his wife in Iowa - a largely anti-war state for Democrats -- as he expressed bitterness over getting a tax cut with money that could have been spent on the military.

"Even though I approved of Afghanistan and opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers," Clinton said. He said he "should not have gotten" the tax cuts he received as a wealthy earner.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/27/post_214.html

I also found this when I googled for the quote above:

Clinton defends successor's push for war
Says Bush 'couldn't responsibly ignore' chance Iraq had WMDs

Wednesday, June 23, 2004

Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush’s decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

“I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over,” Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book “My Life.”

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

Noting that Bush had to be "reeling" in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001, Clinton said Bush's first priority was to keep al Qaeda and other terrorist networks from obtaining "chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile material."

"That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html

That was right in the middle of the 2004 election.

[jenmito]

39. Thanks for posting that!

Talk about having nerve! :hi:

[wordpix]

5. huh? Hillary, you'd do better if you'd stick to the FACTS. Geesh

:eyes:

[Mooney]

28. That ship has sailed.

[BeyondGeography]

7. She was quicker to pick up on that whole Internet fundraising thing, too

[Cha]

63. Yeah, and she was real quick to

figure out she might not be the winner on SuperTues and have a plan for that.

[dansolo]

8. Didn't she say that he vote was not to authorize war?

How could she criticize a war if she honestly believed that she wasn't authorizing it? If she believed that there was going to be a war, then how could she justify her vote, since she claimed that she was misled, and that she was only voting for continued inspections?

Hillary is now admitting that she knew that the IWR was a vote to go to war.

[JohnnyCougar]

17. I wasn't misled. I knew that vote was for war, and so did all of us.

I find it incredibly irritating that these politicians think they can get away with playing stupid. At least Kerry gave that speech before his vote. Hillary's term as a senator was simply a prop for her run for President as a centrist. She voted for the war because she didn't want to make any controversial votes in the Senate that could ruin her Presidential run.

[pocoloco]

24. Better than admitting bush* is just a little bit smarter than she is!!

LOL

[Zhade]

36. It's really hard to suggest that a bill that says "TO AUTHORIZE FORCE" isn't for war.

You know?

[Moochy]

69. Yet, they do try and make that very point

Amazing to see it really...

"IWR was not a vote to go to war"

[tabasco]

9. These must be some of those millions of words she speaks

that just got "mis-spoken."

[40ozDonkey]

10. I came for her lies, but stayed for her crazy!

[JBoy]

12. LOL! I like that!

[Mooney]

11. Translation:

"How dare anyone challenge me in this primary! How dare anyone hold me responsible for my senate votes! Anoint me!"

[MadBadger]

13. But he criticized if when it was just an embryo...you waited till it was a toddler.

[Donna Zen]

14. Ya got my attention

I'm actually shocked by this one.

[Maine-ah]

18. well, I started criticizing the war in Iraq before HRC

so maybe I should be president. :shrug:

[NJSecularist]

19. She is so dishonest it is unbelievable.

She was a hawk up until late 2006 when she realized that the only possible way to win the Democratic nomination was to oppose the war.

[TahitiNut]

21. "I was against it, before I was for it, before I was against it."

:crazy:

[TheDoorbellRang]

22. Well, THAT statement oughta be fun to 'splain

And does anyone else have the teentsiest bit of doubt that the rude questioner was indeed a rogue Obama supporter?

[Window]

23. Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.

Please. Stop. Please.

[Zhade]

25. Fucking liar.

NT!

[BlueIdaho]

26. Was that...

before or after she hurled the bookbag?

[quantass]

31. lol

[40ozDonkey]

32. Add Rezko to the OP title so her "supporters" will come here and defend this BS.

[Barack_America]

34. Well, that makes her IWR vote awfully puzzling.

Considering he criticized the war before it was even authorized and she, well, authorized it.

[bobthedrummer]

35. "As War Neared in 2003--Hillary Was Silent" (WillyT thread started 3-16-2008)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5108062

[malletgirl02]

37. Just a Speech Meme

I'm no sure if it is just me, but in the quote it also seems like she is also trying to continue the "he is just a speech meme".

[AZBlue]

40. Critcizing the war she VOTED FOR? Oh dear God, her lies are so transparent now.

[Cha]

64. I don't think Oregon is going to

fall for hilary lies..she's wasting her fetid lying breath.

[jeanmarc]

41. Pig. She's a pig. No honesty at all. F her.

I cannot stand her. I really can't. I constantly defended her against my friends, and she's absolutely let me down by lowering this campaign into the gutter.

She helped George put this nation at jeopardy by agreeing to the ridiculous language. Fuck her. I can't stand her!

[GarbagemanLB]

42. Agreed. I am so sick of defending the Clintons.

[george_maniakes]

46. dont hate her, just pity her.

and remember all her fuck ups arent doing the democrats any favors for november.

[Danger Mouse]

58. out of line.

we can be mad at her without resorting to this kind of language.

[SOS]

43. Let's check those dates...

Ocober 2, 2002 - Obama delivers his speech entitled "Against Going to War in Iraq"

October 10, 2002 - Clinton votes for bill entitled "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq"

[blogslut]

44. More comedy GOLD from the blog post

Hillary Clinton: “I think this has been by and large one of the most positive and civil campaigns I have ever been a part of.”

[Adelante]

45. Ay ay ay

This is fucking sad.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. Hillary said :" I didn’t make a speech"

“I made a considered judgment, I didn’t make a speech, I made a decision and it was a decision "Clinton said that historians will judge if her decision was the right one"



Hillary said :" I didn’t make a speech"

October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

As Delivered

"Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

"If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise."

"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction."

More of the Speech which 'wasn't a speech" but an official "speech" given before Congress.


http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

[JVS]

48. Oh God, when will they lying stop?

[DerekJ]

49. Oh Boy!!! .. I honestly lost track of her lies.

[FightingIrish]

50. "Clinton said that historians will judge

if her decision was the right one,.." Quite frankly I think historians will not even be talking about Hillary Clinton unless it is in the context of her husband's presidency.

[Cha]

66. That's bush talk..how many times have we

heard dummies defending bush by saying .."historians will judge him correctly in 50 years".

[anonymous171]

51. Seriously, is she a pathological liar?

Oneupsmanship: CHECK

[DerekJ]

52. Waiting for her apologists to defend her. Let's see how they're going to spin this one

:popcorn:

[jn2375]

53. I guess she criticized the war before she voted for it!!!!!

G I V E M E A B R E A K !!!!!!!!

[wileedog]

54. She criticized it on her bookbag back in the 60s

In between ducking sniper rounds.

[anigbrowl]

55. Here's the speech she says she didn't give about it:

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

[TexasObserver]

56. And she came out for Christianity before Jesus!! Supported desegregation before MLK!

Is there any lie she won't tell?

She knows we have the internets, right?!

[madrchsod]

57. bill clinton continued the war in iraq ...

the war on iraq by the united states has not stopped since the first bush order the war to begin.

did she ever say anything about his war on iraq?

[nolabels]

68. Thank you

This is part of those truths they cannot stand and will first try to ignore and if that don't work they will attack those who speak of it, this seems quite obvious from the amount of posts on this tread :shrug:

[madrchsod]

70. it`s a dirty little secret no one will admit to

as is his utter failure to even try to prevent rwanda...

[Cha]

59. hilary pandered to the War ON Iraq and supported it for

years..why didn't she ever say she made a mistake voting for it?

Oooops..there she goes LYING AGAIN..

"..Clinton called on a young man who when asking his question said he was a supporter of Barack Obama, and he wanted to know if Clinton or her supporters had done or said anything that would weaken Obama’s chances at winning the general election were he the nominee.. Clinton said, “I think this has been by and large one of the most positive and civil campaigns I have ever been a part of.”

It really chafes hilary's ass that Obama knew what he was doing in 2002 and she made a DECISION to look tough and send Soldiers to DIE and Iraqis TO BE BOMBED.

[Drunken Irishman]

60. It seems every time she opens her mouth she lies.

Wow...

[Danger Mouse]

61. Hillary Clinton: She spins more than...

[Whisp]

62. oiy. So what do you think is going on?

it seems like a rash of ridiculousness coming from her lately, one after the other.

what could this mean?

Is she really losing her mind,
is this some sort of wierd plan with a purpose?
a distraction from something Really big?
does she deliberately want us to hate her guts?

[slinkerwink]

65. That's utter bullshit!!!

[understandinglife]

67. Hillary can now be classified as a peerless liar ... step aside Georgie and Dickie ....

[Renaissance Man]

71. Who was it that said this?

"Everyone lies in politics, but Bill and Hillary Clinton do it so easily that it's troubling."

LOL