Here's the deal: Legitimate criticism of Hillary does not constitute "hate"

[XemaSab]

That is all. :)

[billbuckhead]

1. And if you can spin a little misogyny in there it's all to the good

:sarcasm:

[XemaSab]

3. Will do.

:patriot:

[jgraz]

7. Just leave out the race-baiting. That's bill's territory

Don't want to step on any jack-booted toes, after all.

[againes654]

11. Love you sig line!!!

That pretty much sums up this primary season for me this year too.

[eridani]

38. Me three n/t

[LowerManhattanite]

28. To paraphrase “Fat Clemenza” from “The Godfather”...

“Oh Billy? You won't be seein' him no more.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=114953 :)

[movonne]

2. Your are right...I think we all get carried away sometimes...but these

hate posting are not good..

[navarth]

4. I have a question

Your point is fair, but I'm wondering if it's necessary.

The impression I get is that Obama has it sewed up. Am I wrong? If that's true, then why not win with class and not throw stones?

That's a sincere question, not trying to give anybody a hard time.

[TTUBatfan2008]

5. Perhaps b/c the Clinton supporters are throwing stones?

[wileedog]

9. Natural reaction

Hillary is losing with utmost crass.

If she was doing her best Huckabee impression right now, touting her policies (most of which are pretty good) and otherwise running a campaign in keeping with the ultimate goal being a Democrat being elected in the GE, not only a Clinton so help her God, no one would have any problem with her whatsoever.

Its the Kamikaze mission she is on which brings out the rancor, not to mention the low tactics some people simply did not expect or believe of her.

[CitizenLeft]

27. very well said.

I hate to say it, but yes, Huckabee has shown much more class than Hillary, and that's really disappointed me. He even refused to join in on the Wright controversy. It was beneath him, as it should've been beneath her.

[weezy2736]

37. It was an interesting moment for me when I realized how I'd probably rather be friends with Huckabee

than Hillary. Then again, that's nothing to elect a president based on. It really made me wonder how much of politics should be ideological and how much should be character.

[dkf]

17. She's trying to steal the election by going after pledged delegates.

She's not going away until the last dog dies and until then, don't think we have nothing to worry about.

Its like when they declared Florida for Gore and we all thought it was won...and then we thought we'd get the recount and win it...but Bush owned the Supreme Court and they gave him the election.

[RC]

6. And stating True Facts uncomplimentary to Hillary does not make one a liar.

[Mooney]

8. Thank you.

Sadly, your post will go unheard by the people who most need to hear it, but I appreciate you saying it.

[merh]

10. I couldn't agree with you more.

Well said :hi:

[jeanmarc]

12. Thank you.

She's a big girl, and she's using big Republican tactics of dividing by race. Look at the Geraldine Ferraro fiasco.

Fuck you, Hillary. Fuck you.

[TML]

13. Agreed

If we see something that needs to be vetted, we'll do that.

[helderheid]

14. THANK YOU!

[BlooInBloo]

15. Who cares? We don't matter.

[Erin Elizabeth]

16. Amen.

You said it all.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. But any qualms about Obama are still apostasy

Just wanted to clear up any doubt here: despite his voting history, tactics and associates, any hint that he might not be the fearless populist giant is calumny. Worries about his vulnerabilities are quivering cowardice, and any dislike of his positions is merely the fake outrage of partisanship.

Iceberg schmiceberg; I say 22 knots.

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. and illegitimate constant distorted ugly attacks

constitute the norm on DU.


That unfortunately is ALL.

[XemaSab]

20. Time for this thread to see the light of day once more

:kick:

[Cha]

21. I stopped caring what the

hilarys thought about anything a few months ago but it became crystal clear their "debate" was loaded with red herrings and WMD.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. but distorting and twisting everything

said by or about her is. Calling her a "fucking whore" is, and cheering on those who call her a "fucking whore" is. Using every right-wing smear from the 90s against her is. Believing the absolute worst about her on the flimsiest of evidence is.

[JVS]

23. believing the worst, smearing, distorting, and twisting would fall under the category of politics

calling her a whore is sexist though.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Did you believe

that the Clintons trashed the White House on their way out? That they stole furniture? That they stole silverware off Air Force One?

People here believe the new lies with the same amount of substantiation - i.e. none.

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

25. And support of Obama does not necessarily constitute worship.

But then sometimes it's the illegitimate criticism, aka bashing of either candidates that bug their respective supporters.

[TreasonousBastard]

29. Absolutely right, but...

just how much of what goes on here is "legitimate criticism"?

[niceypoo]

30. But smears on her, and her family, and attacks on her supporters do

That is all. :)

A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign">smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character. "Mud slinging", like negative campaigning, most often targets government officials, politicians, political candidates, and other public figures. However, private persons or groups may also become targets of smear campaigns perpetrated in schools, companies, institutions, families, and other social groups.

Smear tactics differ from normal discourse or debate in that they do not bear upon the issues or arguments in question. A smear is a simple attempt to malign a group or an individual and to attempt to undermine their credibility.

Smears often consist of ad hominem attacks in the form of unverifiable rumors and are often distortions, half-truths, or even outright lies; smear campaigns are often propagated by gossip spreading. Even when the facts behind a smear are shown to lack proper foundation, the tactic is often effective because the target's reputation is tarnished before the truth is known.

Smears are also effective in diverting attention away from the matter in question and onto the individual or group. The target of the smear is typically forced to defend his reputation rather than focus on the previous issue.

Smear tactics are considered by many to be a low, disingenuous form of discourse; they are nevertheless very common.

[Bolo Boffin]

31. Absolutely not.

The problem here is that many DUers are couching their legitimate criticism of either candidate in hateful language (and a very few are just being hateful).

[struck_dumb]

32. Any topic that starts with "here's the deal..."

does constitute a definite stance has been taken by its author. If you are even handed and non-judgemental enough to dole out 'legitimate criticism' then you shouldn't need to enflame your topic in that way.

Has any Clinton in the last 20 years ever been able to deflect or ignore criticism?????? Her life has been public and an open book for basically all of her life. She has been abused and she's still here. I guarantee you that even with his bi-racial appearance and lifestyle, Barry has never ever had the sustained pervasive abuse that a family with a life-long history of public service like the Clintons have endured. And cheerfully, too.

So, yes, she can be criticized and she is criticized and probably always will be criticised.

[Eurobabe]

35. Hey great siggie line you've got there

Really nice. Stay in the UK.

"I moved to the UK the year W took office. I am still appalled at the turn of politics since then. Barry the Builder with his stolen slogans of a simpleton. He's winning because America is guilty-guilty-guilty of its racist past and in denial of its racist present. Barry is a no more impressive and just as annoying as a high-school PE ballhog. 'Pass the ball, Barry. Yes, to a girl, Barry.'"

[Eurobabe]

33. Fascism abounds here

can't say anything negative about she who would be coronated.

[struck_dumb]

34. clarification

Hi, 48% what does coronated mean?

[Eurobabe]

36. Look to your Queen. n/t

[Enrique]

39. what about saying "I fuckin' hate her"?

does that constitute hate?

What about recommending such a post, as 133 DUers did. Does that constitute hate?

[NashVegas]

40. Correct. Keyword Is "Legitimate"